Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia

¿Alguien está interesado en adquirir la colección libros de Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia de Don Mariano González-Leal?

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Daniel Francisco Briones

Queria saber si podia compar algunos libros en el coleccion que necesito pero no todos?

Duration of Dispensation's procedure

Does anybody know how far back in time from wedding date does one have to look for a "dispensa por consanguineidad"?

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I don't know how far back one has to go, bit I have certainly seen some dispensas dated a fer days AFTER the marriage actually took place.
At least this one:
-Matrimonio de Juan de Villa Rl y Maria de la Garza, españoles: 16 de agosto de 1692, Libro de la Parroquial de Monterrey
-Dispensa matrimonial de Doña Maria de la Garça (de 20 años, hija legitima del Capitan Miguel de la Garça falcon y Doña Getrudiz de Renteria, ya difuntos; A.P.: Capan. Blas de la Garça y Beatris Gonçalez) & de Juan de Villa Rl (de 28 años, hijo del Capan. Juan de Villa Real y de Juana de la Garça; A.M.: Franco. de la Garça y Juana Garcia): 20 de agosto de 1692, Monterrey, NL

Victoriano Navarro

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Thank you Victoriano

Yours and Claudias answer to the other similar question are very revealing. The possibility of the dispensa being dated after the wedding didn't cross my mind. This makes it a greater challenge. I was hoping to find more information about my great grandmother Virginia García Camarena of whom I can't find anything in FamilySearch. I've been reading church books of her approximate birth year, but this takes a long time. That year in particular is even difficult to read (handwriting style!)

Belinda Alvarez

Need Translation for death entry for Joaquin Romero

Hi,

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I am afraid he is not the person you are looking for.

This is my proposal for the transcription of the record:

311 Tepatitlan Dn Ygnacio Romero español adulto
En esta santa Iglesia parroquial de Tepatitlán en tres de Julio de mil setecientos ochenta y seis años yo el Bachiller Don José Gabriel Medrano como teniente de cura di sepultura eclesiástica con entierro mayor, cruz alta, ciriales, capa, vigilia y misa al día siguiente con acompañados(¿?) en tierra de quince pesos a Don Ignacio Romero español adulto hijo de Don Francisco Xavier Romero y de Doña Efigenia Aldrete (¿?) murió de Involea (embolia) en este pueblo y para que conste lo firmamos el sr cura y yo.

And a very difficult translation:

311 Tepatitlan Dn Ygnacio Romero adult Spaniard

In this holy parochial church of Tepatitlan on July the 3th, 1786, I, the bachelor Don Jose Gabriel Medrano, as lieutenant of parish priest, enterred ecclesiastically with magnificent burial, high cross, candles, cape, vespers and mass on

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Thank you so much, Jorge, for your fine translation. You are correct in stating that is not my grandfather many times removed. Though this person may be related, I don't know how. I will continue paging through the records looking for Joaquin Esteban Romero y Chavez. I have many of his children and their wives recorded and the family is growing. The Romero family has been in Tepatitlan since my GGGG Grandfather Joaquin Esteban Romero. I haven't found where he came from or when, but I'm sure one of these days, I will. Especially with the help of our friends at NuestrosRanchos.

I plan on using your translation to help me "read" through the death records as they mostly follow the same pattern. I'll bet the record keepers were happy when rubber stamps were invented so they could stamp out the boilerplate and simply fill in the blanks.

Thank you again for your help.

Linda Romero

Researching: Romero, Romero y Chavez, de la Torre, Pena, Camarena, Gutierrez, Padilla, Gomez Hurtado

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Linda,

I've seen your Geneanet page but it does not mention the godparents and
witnesses or ranches of the births took place. No links are available to
the original documents either. If you were to add that info I could try to
find something for you. You might also add your tree to miparentela.com and
genoom.com. if you haven't already, to see if you can find a match in those
trees. They use better algorithms than Ancestry because they use the
parents and childrens' names as well as dates. They are also used by people
from around the world. Ancestry only uses names so a homonym from the 18th
century could show as a match for someone in the 1930 U.S. census which is
impossible and is focused on U.S. and northern European databases.

Armando

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:03 PM, wrote:

> Thank you so much, Jorge, for your fine translation. You are correct in
> stating that is not my grandfather many times removed. Though this person
> may be related, I don't know how. I will continue

Dispensa Process: Duration of Dispensation's procedure

I have looked at hundreds (maybe a thousand by now) of marriage dispensations in Guadalajara and can add that the vast majority of them were executed about three to five weeks before the marriage too

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Thanks for that information Claudia. I have been wondering where exactly to look for my ancestor's dispensa. I have to admit, I tried looking for it last month, but gave up due to time limits. I'm looking for a dispensa in 1835, but I know your not quite there yet. I may just wait for you! Haha. The work your doing is SO appreciated I'm sure! Michael D. Castro

Ayuda con Iglesias Protestantes

Hola,

Alguien me podría indicar si existen registros on line de los miembros de las iglesias cristianas no católicas en Zacatecas a principios del siglo XX o entre 1890 y 1940.?

NEED ASSISTANCE FROM NUESTRO RANCHOS MEMBERS

My name is Yvonne Medina and I have been working on my family tree for several years. I have run into a block wall with the research on my Medina line.

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Yvonne, I have found some of my missing MEDINA family listed or entered as MERINO, and vice versa, MERINO as MEDINA. May I suggest you try both spellings?

Gloria Delgado

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YVONNE MEDINA

Thank you Gloria I will

Mr Walker
I have attempted to find a death record for one of my relatives that you had on the ancestral chart but am unable to locate it
The death record is on JOSE JUAN RODRIGUEZ REYES - D/ OCT 21 1934 in Cameron, Texas and buried in Rio Hondo, Texas.
Help !!!

Y Medina

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Yvonne,

At the moment, I haven't been able to find any more on your
Great-grandfather's lines.

But have you ever done much research on your great-grandmother's (Maria
Concepcion) lines?

thanks,
Jonathan Walker

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YVONNE MEDINA

Thank you for your response. Yes I have. Her parents were Teodoro Rodriguez b in Aguascalientes and Felipa Reyes b/ aug 26,1848. They were married July 10,1865.

Parents of Felipa Reyes were Alejo Ryes and Manuela Bramasco married March 7,1842
Parents of Teodor Rodriguez were Francisco Rodriguez and Juana Rodriguez

Are you interested in that line ?

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Yvonne,

Yesterday, after I read your email about needing help from the group. I
took a look at your family tree, and tried to find more on your Medina
line. I wasn't able to find any more on the Medina line except for
christening and marriage records for the individuals that you have already
identified. But I was able to add to some of your other lines, such as the
Reyes line.

So in a sense, my only interest in your family at this time is to try and
help you.

I am including a Ancestry chart that starts with your grandfather and goes
back 7 generations. I hope that it can help you in your research. If you
would like to entire file, let me know and I can send it to you.

thanks,
Jonathan Walker

Ahnentafel Chart for Celso MEDINA RODRIGUEZ-1

First Generation

1. *Celso MEDINA RODRIGUEZ*-1 was born on 10 Apr 1895 in Juchipila,
Zacatecas, Mexico. He was christened on 16 Apr 1895 in San Francisco,
Juchipila, Zacatecas, Mexico. He died on 26 Aug 1998 in San Juan
Capistrano, Orange

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YVONNE MEDINA

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT! Yes if you could send me the file it would be deeply appreciated. There was info on that really help fill in some blanks - Yes by all means send me the file.

I hope someone else out there reads what you posted and hopefully is researching the same line - that would be awesome.

Please keep your eyes open for the Medina's. I am at such a loss because I have hit a brickwall.

Again Thank you
Y Medina
EMAIL: OCBONE@SBCGLOBAL.NET

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Jonathan
You are so helpful!!

Mickey

In a message dated 4/18/2012 8:18:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
mexicanfhr@gmail.com writes:

Yvonne,

Yesterday, after I read your email about needing help from the group. I
took a look at your family tree, and tried to find more on your Medina
line. I wasn't able to find any more on the Medina line except for
christening and marriage records for the individuals that you have already
identified. But I was able to add to some of your other lines, such as the
Reyes line.

So in a sense, my only interest in your family at this time is to try and
help you.

I am including a Ancestry chart that starts with your grandfather and goes
back 7 generations. I hope that it can help you in your research. If you
would like to entire file, let me know and I can send it to you.

thanks,
Jonathan Walker

Ahnentafel Chart for Celso MEDINA RODRIGUEZ-1

First Generation

1. *Celso MEDINA RODRIGUEZ*-1 was born on 10 Apr 1895 in Juchipila

Rancho del Terrero and Luna line discovery.

I have been trying to find my gg grandfather's Luna line for a very long
time - I finally made a discovery - my ggg grandfather's name was Jose
Nicomedes Luna (born 1814) at the Rancho del Terre

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Esperanza....congratulations on finding your ancestors!!!
I'm exuberant with joy for you, this was evident in my
telephone call to you. You are such a beautiful, extraordinary,
accomplished lady.

Joseph, thank you for your vision of establishing the Rancho's
forum, and bringing lost families together. Esperanza and I
have been communicating since the days of your Yahoo's Group,
and we share many common ancestors. Gracias.

Helyn

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From: "Latina1955@aol.com"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho del Terrero and Luna line discovery.

I have been trying to find my gg grandfather's Luna line for a very long 
time - I finally made a discovery - my ggg grandfather's name was Jose
Nicomedes  Luna (born 1814) at the Rancho del Terrero, which is south of
Tepechitlan.  To the north is Cicacalco and just north of that is Tlaltenango!

I was able to obtain my ggg grandfather's

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Helyn and Esperanza,

Wonderful news when families are reunited after many years of taking a different path from a common ancestor...It's truly amazing!

Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

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From: "Misty"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:17:27 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho del Terrero and Luna line discovery.

Esperanza....congratulations on finding your ancestors!!!
I'm exuberant with joy for you, this was evident in my
telephone call to you. You are such a beautiful, extraordinary,
accomplished lady.

Joseph, thank you for your vision of establishing the Rancho's
forum, and bringing lost families together. Esperanza and I
have been communicating since the days of your Yahoo's Group,
and we share many common ancestors. Gracias.

Helyn

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From: "Latina1955@aol.com"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho del Terrero

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Yeeah! I'm happy for you, Hope I have the same good luck with my elusive GGrandfather Prudencio Olmos.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

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From: "Latina1955@aol.com"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho del Terrero and Luna line discovery.

I have been trying to find my gg grandfather's Luna line for a very long 
time - I finally made a discovery - my ggg grandfather's name was Jose
Nicomedes  Luna (born 1814) at the Rancho del Terrero, which is south of
Tepechitlan.  To the north is Cicacalco and just north of that is Tlaltenango!

I was able to obtain my ggg grandfather's parents and their parents -- so 
off I go....

Esperanza - Chicagoland area

Arcadio Amezcua birth and death record missing!!!

Hello!  I'm having a heck of a time finding a birth and death date for Arcadio Amezcua, son of Jose Apolonio Trinidad Amezcua-Gutierrez and Maria Lorensa Carmen Torres-Lopez..  He and his entire fam

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Hi Cammi, the marriage record says he is 38. Sometimes you just don't find them for whatever reason.. Not sure if you have the marriage information record, it doesn't offer anything new~
marriage information recorded 30 Aug 1873 in Tamazula, Jalisco
Arcadio Amescua single from Tamazula age 38
parents: Trinidad Amescua and Maria Torres both living
with: Soledad Ochoa single from Tamazula age 17
parents; Jose Maria Ochoa living and Ygnacia Espinosa deceased
no blood relationship
witness: Juan Valencia from Tamazula widower age 50
witness. Gregorio Reyna from Tamazula married age 43
witness: Jesus Lopez from Tamazula married age 25
source: 0226053 film
page 255 Family search online pilot program
 
Linda.

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From: Cammi Amezcua
To: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:48 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arcadio Amezcua birth and death record missing!!!

Hello!  I'm having a heck of a time finding a birth and

Prudencio Marin Herrera and Nicolaza Paula SanMartin y Estrada married in 1757

Does anyone know more about the ancestors of these individuals?

All I''ve been able to ascertain is that Nicolaza's mother was Manuela Estrada..

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The San Martin Y Estrada family are my ancestors. The were from el rancho La Era. I have found a couple of sources that place this ranch northeast of Tlaltenango. Please contact me if I can help or if this family is in your family tree, please. Thanks.

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de dónde eran? http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#searchType=close&… fijate que prudencio se llamaba de primer nombre Bernardino en el acta de su hija Maria Juliana Errera San Martin 16 jan 1762 Tlaltenango, Zacatecas batch C60089-7 film 443805 Leticia Reynoso
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>> Does anyone know more about the ancestors of these individuals?
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> All I''ve been able to ascertain is that Nicolaza's mother was Manuela Estrada..
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> Alguien sabe mas de esta pareja que se casaron en 1757? No he podido encontrar los padres de Prudencio y solamente encontre la madre de Nicolaza que se llamaba Manuela Estrada

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Nicolasa San Martin Estrada y Bernardino Prudencio Herrera tuvieron a:
Jose Francisco nace 4 oct 1777 bautiza 21 oct 1777
José aniceto bautizado el 3 may 1783 ( C607121 film 443008) y (C034430 film 44808)
Maria Alvina (7 jan 1871 born 25 dec 1780)
pudo haber sido hijo de Juan Martin y Prudencia Herrera buscar en el batch J600894 film 443802 posible hermano de Marcos Prudencio (bautizado el 7 may 1730)

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Actually, I had a break-through - he was living in Ojo de la Rana Rancho
when he married Nicolaza Paula San Martin y Estrada in 1757 who was from
Rancho de Loera.

Now if I can only figure out where these old, probably gone, ranchos were,
relative to Tlaltenango....

Familia Hurtado

Alguien sabe quienes eran los abuelos de José Julián Hurtado, nacido el 12 de Marzo de 1792, esposo de Rafaela Gonzalez Fernandez e hijo de Juan Jose Hurtado Y María Timotea Gonzalez, nacido en San

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Aquí le va mi estimado Raul:

Groom's Name: Juan Josef Hurtado
Bride's Name: Maria Thimothea Gonzalez Ruvio
Marriage Date: 14 Feb 1778
Marriage Place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion,Jalostotitlan,Jalisco,Mexico
Groom's Father's Name: Josef Antonio Hurtado
Groom's Mother's Name: Maria Vazquez De Lara
Bride's Father's Name: Pedro Gonzalez Ruvio
Bride's Mother's Name: Maria Gertrudis Gutierrez
Source Film Number: 279297

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Raul Hurtado Pérez Agradezco enormemente el apoyo que me ha dado Rodriguez de Frías, ahora sigo investigando, saludos

Pasajeros a indias

tengo literatura sobre pasajeros a indias en pdf con casi 600 paginas , trae indice de nombres de personas que llegaro en el siglo XVI y XVII de españa y ademas notas

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Hola Salvador.....aùn tienes o ya lo publicaste, sobre los pasajeros q salieron de España????? me podrias orientar para poder revisar dicha lista????
Agradezco mucho...saludos Amanda (matusalem)

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Suena interesante, podrias compartirlo mandandolo por email o decirnos como
conseguirlo.

gracias

In a message dated 7/11/2009 8:47:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cabval@gmail.com writes:

tengo literatura sobre pasajeros a indias en pdf con casi 600 paginas ,
trae indice de nombres de personas que llegaro en el siglo XVI y XVII de
españa y ademas notas

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me gustaria que saliera de nuestros ranchos para que tambien se tubiera como
acervo, y no me gustaria estar mandando correos personales, el libro lo
encontre navegando en internet al igual de muchos mas que tengo, pero
necesito saber si tengo permiso para subir de los moderadores y como lo
bajarian ustedes

mi nombre esta amero abajo

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Kutsaraipa: Lugar Mítico donde se Reunieron los Antepasados
http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com
http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/
http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blogdiario.com/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blog.galeon.com/
http://jerezzacatecas.galeon.com/
salvador cabral valdes

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O.k. si tienes la direccion del website, seria perfecto.

In a message dated 7/12/2009 8:56:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cabval@gmail.com writes:

me gustaria que saliera de nuestros ranchos para que tambien se tubiera
como
acervo, y no me gustaria estar mandando correos personales, el libro lo
encontre navegando en internet al igual de muchos mas que tengo, pero
necesito saber si tengo permiso para subir de los moderadores y como lo
bajarian ustedes

mi nombre esta amero abajo

--
Kutsaraipa: Lugar Mítico donde se Reunieron los Antepasados
http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com
http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/
http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blogdiario.com/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blog.galeon.com/
http://jerezzacatecas.galeon.com/
salvador cabral valdes

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La información de los libros de Pasajeros a Indias se encuentra digitalizada
en pares.mcu.es, todos los XIV volumenes.

2009/7/11

> Suena interesante, podrias compartirlo mandandolo por email o decirnos como
> conseguirlo.
>
> gracias
>
>
> In a message dated 7/11/2009 8:47:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> cabval@gmail.com writes:
>
> tengo literatura sobre pasajeros a indias en pdf con casi 600 paginas ,
> trae indice de nombres de personas que llegaro en el siglo XVI y XVII de
> españa y ademas notas

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Adrián Márquez Padilla

He visitado la direccion que proporcionas http://pares.mcu.es/ y efectivamente aparecen en la busqueda los titulos de los catalogos, ya encontre la manera de consultarlos pero no de descargarlos, si nos pudiera ayudar seria fantastico.

Saludos

Familia Hurtado

Alguien sabe quienes eran los abuelos de José Julián Hurtado, nacido el 12 de Marzo de 1792, esposo de Rafaela Gonzalez Fernandez e hijo de Juan Jose Hurtado Y María Timotea Gonzalez, nacido en San

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Adrián Márquez Padilla

Espero estar en lo correcto y sea lo que buscas

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JZFC-QYV

En family search encontraras la fecha del matrimonio de Juan Jose Hurtado Y María Timotea Gonzalez, en ella indican los nombres de los padres de Juan Jose que fueron Jose Antonio Hurtado y María Vasquez de Lara, y los padres de Maria Timotea fueron Pedro Gonzalez Rubio y Maria Gertrudis Gutierrez, la fecha del matrimonio fue 14 Feb 1778 en Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion,​Jalostotitlan

El acta de matrimonio la encontraras aqui
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-24634-49?cc=1874591&wc…

Saludos..

Casos donde no encuentras el acta de bautismo de tu antepasado!

Hola a todos:

Me surgió este tema de foro cuando ví la publicación de Cammi Amezcua con respecto a cuando no encontramos el acta bautismal de nuestros antepasados.

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Saludos Enrique,

Sé cómo te sientes. También tengo antepasados ​​cuyos nacimientos no puedo confirmar, estos (en mi caso) normalmente son del siglo XVIII.

Pero mi antepasado Doroteo Montaño (nacido en 1835), quien durante toda su vida usó el apellido "Montaño", fue bautizado con el nombre de Doroteo Quintero hijo natural de Victoriana Quintero y de padre no conocido. Así es como, cuando yo estaba investigando su bautismo, no lo pude encontrar.

Sin embargo, cuando se casó en 1862 con Eduarda Sandoval de Zacatecas, utilizó por primera vez el apellido Montaño y más tarde declaró que su padre era Patricio Montaño y su madre era Victoria Quintero, en los bautismos de sus hijos.

Patricio, su padre, era el esposo de María Nieves Zárate, con quien tuvo sus otros hijos (legítimos). Patricio nunca reconoció a su hijo Doroteo, y puede ser que Victoriana decidió darle su apellido a su hijo, pero cuando creció Doroteo le dijo el nombre y apellido de su padre.

Tengo otro antepasado, Gerardo

Reply: Tejada 1850 Brick Wall

Hello Albert,

Francisca Tejada was one of my great-great grandmothers. I, too, have been
having difficulty finding information about her family.

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Laurel,

It may be very likely that you descend from the Oredain family of Guadalajara. They were very well established in the 17th and 18th centuries in Nueva Galicia and Mexico City. Countless of research reports and a couple of books are dedicated to this family. I am related to them through the Fernandez de Hijar. Let us know if you find any other info.

Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

Family Search??

Im having a hard time again with Family Search.Im trying to locate a marriage record for Gaspar Masias and Mariana De Torres.It says that they were married in the year 1612 in Sagrario Aguascalientes.

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In the link you sent it says the record comes from film #299421
If yo go to:
https://familysearch.org/
Catalog
Search Film Numbers, 299421
Registros parroquiales, 1616-1961
... and then you search for film 299421, you'll find a microfilm for baptisms that includes some marriages:
Bautismos 1616-1662 incluye algunos matrimonios

Victoriano Navarro

Can someone please give me the link to the marriage records in Vallodolid Spain

I can't find the city of Valladold Spain in Family Search.com

this is the marriage record im looking for

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5Q2-KLH

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It seems like the images of the books you are looking for have not been uploaded yet. You should check every now and then and hopefully sooner than later they will be available. Besides that, you can go to a Family History Center an request the microfilm. You may find more information at familysearch.org

Victoriano Navarro

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Abram,

Since my ancestor Cristóbal Pérez López was married 19 December 1577 he
couldn't have been born after 12 Oct 1586. Therefore, the marriage you are
looking for is for a couple that aren't the parents of Cristóbal Pérez
López. These are common last names and documents from that era in Spain are
extremely hard to find so it isn't very likely you will be getting any
farther on that line unless you go to Spain to look up the documents in
person as others have done for other families. You energy is better spent
researching other ancestors until you are old enough to go there yourself.

Armando

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:52 PM, wrote:

> I can't find the city of Valladold Spain in Family Search.com
>
> this is the marriage record im looking for
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.1.1/F5Q2-KLH
>

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Abram,

1. Cristóbal Pérez López is my ancestor. Villalobos was the maternal
surname of my grandfather.

2. Since Cristóbal Pérez López was married in 1577 he would have been born
before 1562 therefore his parents should have married before that date.

3. The record you are looking for is after the date that Cristóbal Pérez
López was born and even married therefore that is a different couple with
the same names as the parents of Cristóbal Pérez López.

4. Just because there is a couple with the same name as the parents in a
baptism or marriage it doesn't mean they are definitely the same people.
There are coincidences such as in this case, but this doesn't fall within
the chronological dates needed for everything to match. This is important
and unless there is another record such as a dispensa explaining they had
an illicit affair such as the González Bermejo dispensa you shouldn't
assume they are the same couple especially when the dates are so far off.

Armando

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012

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You are correct Armando. And it was for this reason that I made a big mistake in dismissing a possible couple when researching a branch in Zacatecas. it was not until I found a dispensa that stated that the parents were married many years after 5 of the children were born that I returned to the couple I had dismissed as a possibility.
RA Ricci
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 14, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Armando wrote:

> Abram,
>
> 1. Cristóbal Pérez López is my ancestor. Villalobos was the maternal
> surname of my grandfather.
>
> 2. Since Cristóbal Pérez López was married in 1577 he would have been born
> before 1562 therefore his parents should have married before that date.
>
> 3. The record you are looking for is after the date that Cristóbal Pérez
> López was born and even married therefore that is a different couple with
> the same names as the parents of Cristóbal Pérez López.
>
> 4. Just because there is a couple with the same name as the parents in a
> baptism or marriage it

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Armando,

Well thanks alot Armando for making it clear to me and giving me the heads up that, that marriage record and those individuals were not Cristobals parents becuase right now i would've thought that they really were his parents.There is this website that i found about the Macias-Valadez family and other ancestors of mines extremely interesting.

http://www.historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/macias.html

Abram

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Abram,

Well, I am glad I cleared that up. I didn't want somebody posting incorrect
info about my ancestors.

Mines is incorrect English. Never use an s with mine unless you are talking
about mining for minerals. It's yours and mine, not yours and mines.

That website has incorrect info about my ancestors and distant relatives.
Be careful what you use from there. I have known about the site since
Miguel Beltran posted about it 27 August 2010 at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/18955 I have informed Miguel and
posted on NR about one of the errors found at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19386

One of the errors he has are that Pedro Macías Valadez, the husband of
Luisa de Villegas, was the son of Felipe Macías Valadez and María de Tavera
which is not possible that María de Tavera was the mother unless he was
born out of wedlock 18 years prior to the marriage of Felipe Macías Valadez
and María de Tavera which is very doubtful.
http://www.historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz

Need help in reading this document please help.

I cant quite figure out what the last name of Cenon's Grandmothers from both sides all i can read is Maria Magdelena.....???and for the other grandmother Ana maria...??? please help.

Comments

Comment

It's Ysidro Muños and Maria Magdalena Bermejo and Ana Maria Soria.

Alicia,
San Jose, ca

________________________________
From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
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Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 7:40 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need help in reading this document please help.

I cant quite figure out what the last name of Cenon's Grandmothers from both sides all i can read is Maria Magdelena.....???and for the other grandmother Ana maria...??? please help.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15092-1073-99?cc=1410092&wc=…

Jose Cenon Munoz Duran is the one being baptized his parents are Jose Antonio Munoz and Rosalia Duran

Comment

Magdalena uses the compound surname Gonzales Bermejo in the baptism of her
son Joseph Ruphino -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMPS-VBD

That might help you find more on them. There are several people with the
surname Gonzales Bermejo that show up in Zacatecas in familysearch. There
are two that show up as Gonzales Bermejo in Guadalajaradispensas.com

Armando

Comment

Armando,

Thanks for that tip it really helped alot.I had a question the only info so far iv'e found of Magdalenas was her son Joseph Ruphino i can't really find anything else.I completley dislike how in the earlier baptims records the grandfathers and grandmothers weren't really said only the parents and the padrinos.

Comment

There is nothing that can be done about the grandparents not being named in
records prior to 1800. Sometimes you have to use records of siblings,
descendants, informaciones matrimoniales, and dispensas together to
determine the grandparents. That's the way it is for most of us.

There are more baptisms of the children of Isidro Muñoz and Magdalena
González Bermejo (Ruiz de Esparza). Set the search to any in Mexico
1750-1800 with the father as Isidro Munoz and the mother as Magdalena.
Don't use a surname for Magdalena and you will she was mentioned once as
Maria Magdalena de Esparsa, another time her surname wasn't recorded,
another time the surname was transcribed incorrectly as Bermefo.

I also tried the father without a surname and there are a few baptisms with
Isidro Duran and Magdalena Esparza as the parents. They married 29 Jul 1752
and might be the same as Isidro Munoz and Magdalena Gonzalez. This is a
link to the marriage.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15185-43110

Comment

Armando and Abram,

I've done some work on the Munos/Gonzalez Bermejo lines and I have Joseph
Munos married to Magdalena Gonzalez Bermejo on January 15, 1755:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15185-42993-54?cc=1410092&wc…

I believe this is Ysidro and welcome any feedback on this link.

I look forward to your response.

Regards,
Juan Aguayo

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Armando wrote:

> There is nothing that can be done about the grandparents not being named in
> records prior to 1800. Sometimes you have to use records of siblings,
> descendants, informaciones matrimoniales, and dispensas together to
> determine the grandparents. That's the way it is for most of us.
>
> There are more baptisms of the children of Isidro Muñoz and Magdalena
> González Bermejo (Ruiz de Esparza). Set the search to any in Mexico
> 1750-1800 with the father as Isidro Munoz and the mother as Magdalena.
> Don't use a surname for Magdalena and you will she was mentioned once as
>

Comment

Juan, it's a good thing you caught this quickly. I didn't pay close enough
attention that Isidro Duran is Isidro Andrés and Isidro Muñoz is Isidro
Joseph and the marriage you found is for [Isidro] Joseph Muñoz which is who
Abram is looking for.

Saludos
Armando

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Juan Aguayo wrote:

> Armando and Abram,
>
> I've done some work on the Munos/Gonzalez Bermejo lines and I have Joseph
> Munos married to Magdalena Gonzalez Bermejo on January 15, 1755:
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15185-42993-54?cc=1410092&wc…
>
> I believe this is Ysidro and welcome any feedback on this link.
>
> I look forward to your response.
>
> Regards,
> Juan Aguayo
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Armando wrote:
>
> > There is nothing that can be done about the grandparents not being named
> in
> > records prior to 1800. Sometimes you have to use records of siblings,
> > descendants, informaciones matrimoniales, and dispensas together to
> >

Comment

Abram,

Rosalia Duran has been very illusive for me. I believe she may actually be
Rosalia Aguirre. Does anyone have information that could help solve this
mystery? I have two marriage certificates for Jose Antonio Munoz and Maria
Rosalia Aguirre dated February 9, 1785, one found in Informacion
Matrimonial link of Nochistlan and the other in the Matrimonios link.

I've never been able to find a document containing Maria Rosailia's parents
with the Duran last name. Can anyone shed some light on Maria Rosalia?

As far as Cenon's grandmonthers I read Ana Maria Sorca. As for Maria
Magdalena, Armando is correct. Maria Magdalena does have a compound last
name of Gonzalez Bermejo. Her parents are Joseph Gonzalez Bermejo and
Gertrudis de Chaves.

Armando,

Thanks for the heads up on the dispensas for Gonzalez Bermejo. I'll have to
look into that.

Regards,
Juan Aguayo

On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Armando wrote:

> Magdalena uses the compound surname Gonzales Bermejo in the

Comment

Juan,

There is a marriage for Joseph Gonzalez Bermejo and Gertrudis de Chaves but
it is on **15 August 1748 which would have been too late to be Madgalena
parents. However it states that she was a widow of Manuel González Bermejo
which leads me to believe he was the father of Magdalena and not Joseph.
Manuel and Gertrudis had children in San Felipe, Guanajuato which is on the
border of Jalisco. Here is a link to the marriage in case you or Abram want
to see it -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19052-56576-48?cc=1874591&wc…
you or someone else has the información matrimonial I am interested in
getting that link.

Gertrudis shows to be the daughter of Alejandro de Chávez [Fragoso] and
Paula de Rivas.

There is an old post by Daniel Mendez del Camino that states the following:

"*Ten[g]o una dispensa que menciona a Marcelino Luziano de Villanueva y
Maria Leocadia*
*de Chavez Fragoso en dicha dispensa menciona que es hija de Alejandro de
Chavez Fragoso
y Paula de

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Armando,

Correct me if im wrong Armando.Ysidro Joseph Munos Married Maria Magdalena Bermejo.Maria Magdalenas parents are Joseph Gonzalez-Bermejo and Gertrudis De Chaves.Joseph parents are Diego Gonzalez-Bermejo and Andrea Lopes.Gertrudis parents are Alexandro De Chaves and Puala Rivas??

Abram

Comment

Since Magdalena married in 1755 it is impossible for her to have been born
after the marriage of Joseph González Bermejo and Gertrudis Chávez Fragoso
which took place on **15 August 1748 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Therefore it
is my belief there was an error that Joseph was her father and it reality
it was Manuel,the first husband of Gertrudis Chávez Fragoso who was a
cousin of Joseph.

Armando

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM, wrote:

> Armando,
>
> Correct me if im wrong Armando.Ysidro Joseph Munos Married Maria Magdalena
> Bermejo.Maria Magdalenas parents are Joseph Gonzalez-Bermejo and Gertrudis
> De Chaves.Joseph parents are Diego Gonzalez-Bermejo and Andrea
> Lopes.Gertrudis parents are Alexandro De Chaves and Puala Rivas??
>
>
> Abram
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Comment

Armando,

You make a good point. This requires more investigation. I'll let you know
if I find any clues. What I do know is that Maria Gertrudis de Chabes did
marry two cousins, Manuel Gonzalez Bermejo (first husband) and Joseph
Gonzales Bermejo (second husband).

Regards,
Juan

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Armando wrote:

> Since Magdalena married in 1755 it is impossible for her to have been born
> after the marriage of Joseph González Bermejo and Gertrudis Chávez Fragoso
> which took place on **15 August 1748 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Therefore it
> is my belief there was an error that Joseph was her father and it reality
> it was Manuel,the first husband of Gertrudis Chávez Fragoso who was a
> cousin of Joseph.
>
> Armando
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM, wrote:
>
> > Armando,
> >
> > Correct me if im wrong Armando.Ysidro Joseph Munos Married Maria
> Magdalena
> > Bermejo.Maria Magdalenas parents are Joseph Gonzalez-Bermejo and
> Gertrudis
> > De Chaves.Joseph parents are

Comment

Armando,

I've done a little more research and in the dispensa for the marriage of
Gertrudis de Chabes Joseph Gonzales Bermejo you will see on the first page
that Maria Gertrudis had two children from her first marriage with Manuel
Gonzales:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-36169-93?cc=1874591&wc…

I found the babtismal records for both of these sons in San Felipe,
Guanajuato. The first for Franco. Gil Gonzales babtised on September 10 ,
1735 whose padrinos are listed as Alejandro Chabes and Gertrudis Rivas:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20584-11073-69?cc=1860831…

And the second for Ramon Antto.Gonzales Chabes babtised September 15, 1736
whose padrinos are listed as Antto. Chabes and Paula Ribas:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20584-10879-85?cc=1860831…

So I now believe that Maria Magdalena Gonzales Bermejo is not the daughter
of Gertrudis de Chabes first marriage with Manuel Gonzales Bermejo.

As you

Comment

Give me a few days to read it over.

Saludos
Armando

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Juan Aguayo wrote:

> Armando,
>
> I've done a little more research and in the dispensa for the marriage of
> Gertrudis de Chabes Joseph Gonzales Bermejo you will see on the first page
> that Maria Gertrudis had two children from her first marriage with Manuel
> Gonzales:
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-36169-93?cc=1874591&wc…
>
> I found the babtismal records for both of these sons in San Felipe,
> Guanajuato. The first for Franco. Gil Gonzales babtised on September 10 ,
> 1735 whose padrinos are listed as Alejandro Chabes and Gertrudis Rivas:
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20584-11073-69?cc=1860831…
>
> And the second for Ramon Antto.Gonzales Chabes babtised September 15, 1736
> whose padrinos are listed as Antto. Chabes and Paula Ribas:
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20584-10879-85?cc=1860831…
>
> So I

Comment

Juan and Abram,

I have finally read the dispensa. It has the following info:

Juan Manuel González Bermejo was buried more than seven years and was
buried in San Felipe, Guanajuato. This would have been in 1741 or 1740.

Joseph González Bermejo admits to having had an illicit relationship with
María Gertrudis de Chávez for seven years and fathering two children with
her.

María Gertrudis de Chávez is stated to be huerfana de madre and even though
her dad is still alive he is so old he cannot work and because of this she
lives with one of her sons; and she is a woman of more than thirty-three
years of age and because of her poverty and family there would not be
anyone of her equal that would want to marry her.

There are two impediments. One for segundo con cuarto grado de
consanguinidad between Joseph González Bermejo and María Gertrudis de
Chávez and a tercero grado de afinidad because Juan Manuel González Bermejo
and Joseph González Bermejo were second cousins.

Because of

Comment

Wow Armando!,

This is great info. I'll look through this information in more detail

Thanks again y Saludos,

Juan Aguayo

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Armando wrote:

> Juan and Abram,
>
> I have finally read the dispensa. It has the following info:
>
> Juan Manuel González Bermejo was buried more than seven years and was
> buried in San Felipe, Guanajuato. This would have been in 1741 or 1740.
>
> Joseph González Bermejo admits to having had an illicit relationship with
> María Gertrudis de Chávez for seven years and fathering two children with
> her.
>
> María Gertrudis de Chávez is stated to be huerfana de madre and even though
> her dad is still alive he is so old he cannot work and because of this she
> lives with one of her sons; and she is a woman of more than thirty-three
> years of age and because of her poverty and family there would not be
> anyone of her equal that would want to marry her.
>
> There are two impediments. One for segundo con cuarto grado de
>

Comment

Armando,

Omg thank you so much for this info thank you.I problably wouldn't of not gone this far thank you.I had a question on the marriage record of Cristobal Villalobos, i think it mentions his parents and it also mentions that he was a natural from El Reyno De Castilla Spain am i wrong??And i really can't find the name of his wife Maria Perez De Nava?

Abram

Comment

Estimado Armando,

Yo desciendo de esta pareja Alejandro de Chavez Fragoso y Gertrudis de Rivas Lozano y el Juan Manuel Gonzalez Bermejo. Me da gusto que otros comparten mis lineas, muchisimas gracias por sus estudios y busquedas, ya que ni tuve idea que havia registros en San Felipe en el obispado de Michoacan sobre esta familia.

Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

Comment

Estimado Daniel:

Es un placer haber sido de ayuda. Juan Aguayo también merece de tu gratitud
por haber participado bastante en este estudio.

Saludos
Armando

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino <
mendezdetorres@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Estimado Armando,
>
> Yo desciendo de esta pareja Alejandro de Chavez Fragoso y Gertrudis de
> Rivas Lozano y el Juan Manuel Gonzalez Bermejo. Me da gusto que otros
> comparten mis lineas, muchisimas gracias por sus estudios y busquedas, ya
> que ni tuve idea que havia registros en San Felipe en el obispado de
> Michoacan sobre esta familia.
>
> Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino
>

Comment

Armando,

Gracias por su reconocimiento. A sido un placer haber podido participar con
ustedes en este estudio y espero poder hacerlo en el futuro tambien.

Saludos,
Juan Aguayo

2012/4/13 Armando

> Estimado Daniel:
>
> Es un placer haber sido de ayuda. Juan Aguayo también merece de tu gratitud
> por haber participado bastante en este estudio.
>
> Saludos
> Armando
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino
> mendezdetorres@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Estimado Armando,
> >
> > Yo desciendo de esta pareja Alejandro de Chavez Fragoso y Gertrudis de
> > Rivas Lozano y el Juan Manuel Gonzalez Bermejo. Me da gusto que otros
> > comparten mis lineas, muchisimas gracias por sus estudios y busquedas, ya
> > que ni tuve idea que havia registros en San Felipe en el obispado de
> > Michoacan sobre esta familia.
> >
> > Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino
> >
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coleccion de libros de los retoños de españa a nva. galicia

gracias a la ayuda doy informacion certera de que en el edificio de fondo y cultura están a la venta la coleccion que buscaba para las personas que tambien esten interesadas la direccion seria; prolo

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Comment

Estimada Sra,

Estoy interesado en adquir la coleccion, vivo en los EE.UU. No se si podia ayudarme en adquirlo. Por favor dejame saber si hay alguien que podia enviarle dinero y me los envie. Gracias.

Atte.
Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

Comment

a que libros te refieres?
son los nuevos libros o la coleccion pasada?

2012/3/27

> gracias a la ayuda doy informacion certera de que en el edificio de fondo
> y cultura están a la venta la coleccion que buscaba para las personas que
> tambien esten interesadas la direccion seria; prolongacion alcalde 1855 y
> el telefono es el 38192476 con las srita. valentina. esto es en
> guadalajara, jalisco mexico.
>
> me encuentro muy entusiasmada por tenerlos en mis manos.

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SE REIMPRIMIERON , EL TIRAJE CONSTA DE 1,000 EJEMPLARES Y SE TERMINO DE IMPRIMIR EN XXXI. SON 10 TOMOS Y EL COSTO ES DE $1,000.00 PESOS MEXICANOS.

> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:54:31 -0700
> From: shcorona@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] coleccion de libros de los retoños de españa a nva. galicia
>
> a que libros te refieres?
> son los nuevos libros o la coleccion pasada?
>
> 2012/3/27
>
> > gracias a la ayuda doy informacion certera de que en el edificio de fondo
> > y cultura están a la venta la coleccion que buscaba para las personas que
> > tambien esten interesadas la direccion seria; prolongacion alcalde 1855 y
> > el telefono es el 38192476 con las srita. valentina. esto es en
> > guadalajara, jalisco mexico.
> >
> > me encuentro muy entusiasmada por tenerlos en mis manos.
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
> >

Comment

Son dos libros que forman la coleccion?

Rancho de Ocotes (San Miguel el Alto)

Hola!
 
I have been searching for my GUTIERREZ family for months with no luck.  Last night (by phone) a relative read me the following contents from a birth record.  I'm hoping one of our members

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Comment

Hey Roxanne,

El rancho Los Ocotes se encuentra a unos kilometros al noreste de San
Miguel. Ya casi nadie vive allí. Yo tengo lo que buscas, escríbeme prima!

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Roxanne Ocampo
wrote:

> Hola!
>
> I have been searching for my GUTIERREZ family for months with no luck.
> Last night (by phone) a relative read me the following contents from a
> birth record. I'm hoping one of our members may have a lead on this
> location or these ancestors?
>
> Born Miguel Avalos GUTIERREZ, 8 May 1904, vecino del Rancho de Ocotes, San
> Miguel el Alto.
> Hijo de Maria M. Espectacion Avalos y Mariano Gutierrez.
> Abuelos paternos Sipriano Gutierrez y Andrea Rodriguez. Abuelos Maternos
> Ramon Avalos y Jacinta Pacencia.
> Testigos (casados y de edad de este domicilio) Tomas Vasquez y Antonia
> Ramirez
>
> This is my grandfather's brother.
>
> With the above information I found a possible link to these grandparents:
>
> Ramon Avelar (possibly Ramon Avalos) y Jacinta Pacencia
>

Comment

Dear Roxanne:
I did not see the marriage listed, but I might have missed it. It is batched on the familysearch.org site. Here is the marriage of Jacinta Placencia and Ramon Avelar:

Feb 3 1864 San Miguel El Alto
LDS batch M603303
Film # 0279453
Marriages 1852-1870

You may want to order the film as they often have both sets of parents listed, where they were from, whether they were alive or not at the time of the wedding and sometimes occupations.

I have worked a lot with these records and Placencia is sometimes spelling Plasencia, Placensia, etc. "C's" and S's" are often interchangeable.

Maureen

Comment

Additional information on some of your ancestors; you might want to look at the originals since they often have additional information:

Name: Maria Espectacion Avalos
Gender: Female
Christening date: 21 Dec 1884
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Ramon Avalos
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Jacinta Placencia
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: I03657-3
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 279433
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Ysidro Gutierrez
Gender: Male
Christening date: 18 May 1888
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color

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Hello there everyone ,

I met a young couple from Concepcion de Oro , Zacatecas yesterday and we talked a bit about genealogy and I told them that I have seen several folks in this group that have mentioned this town . SOOOO , if there is anyone in this group that would like to see if they can make contact with people of this town let me know .

Take care,

Welester G. Alvarado

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Youll find all the altenos are related! Our families and ancestors intrmarried far beyond and worse then the royalty of Europe.

-Daniel

_________________________________________________________________

Comment

Dear Roxanne:
It looks as if Daniel has helped you beyond repair. I had not seen his post and was just looking up the same information. I found Guadalupe and Anastacio on familysearch also. Just wanted to let you know that the Florentino Placencia Gutierres 1828 baptism, where one of my Ledesma's was a sponsor, had the following information, so I do not think it is linked to yours yet, but if you ever need this one, let me know and I will scan it:

Parents of Florentino:
Eleuterio Placencia and Mataria Gutierres
Paternos: Martin Placencia and Juana Baldivia
Maternos: Pedro Gutierres and Maria Morillo (sp?)
Padrinos: Crisanto Alvardo and Dolores Ledsma
Rancho Moya

Reference LDS 0279425
Baptisms 1821-1832 San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, MX
Batch C603294

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Dear Roxanne:
I started to recognize the names right away. Sadly do not have any of the records, but I can tell you the Gutierres family married into my Ledesma family. One son of Juana Maria Ledesma Cervantes married to Luis Gutierres born in 1830, his name Jose De La Asuncion, and he was born Rancho de Ocotes. A little earlier date than you are needing.

I can help in your search a bit. You may try looking for alternative spellings. I have some Avalos family member with the spelling Abalos and Pacencia is likely Placensia or Placencia. Vasquez can often be found as Vasques. I had a Ledesma sponsor to a Florentino Placencia Gutierres b. 10/15/1828 Rancho Moya. I have to look to see if I have the record and who Florentino's parent's were. Sometimes I just jotted down the information rather than copying the record who my people were just sponsor's of other's baptisms.

If you find other parts of the family, check back with me and I might be able to help with some

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Hi Roxanne! Well Ocotes is a very old ranch in San Miguel. San Miguel el Alto is part of the

Los Altos family region. Gutierrez is a very old Spanish colonial last name around these

parts. May include Gutierrez de HErmosillo, Gutierrez de Laris, Gutierrez de Mendoza etc.

I found a son of Cipriano and Andrea, the marriage of Cipriano 9If you dont have alread)

I also dont think the last name was Avelar, never heard of that name in Los Altos. I found

several children too. (The records are below that I found, maybe you have them) Well your

next step is to order the marriage film for Ramon Avalos and Jacinta Plascencia. I think getting

out of the 1800s is the hardest part, bear in mind once you do (and you should be able to)

you are going to learn SO MUCH! I know I have, Im still well rounded from 1500s to 1700s.

Be careful, Altenos do not tend to stay around, they kept moving all around the region which

socially extends into Jalisco, Zacatecas, aguascalientes, Guanjuato

Help with this my spanish is very bad?

Don Lorenzo Cervantes-Villaseñor y Cárdenas, fue hijo de José Cervantes y de Alva y de Doña Josefa de Cárdenas, casados el 18 de Abril de 1668 en Jalostotitlán; José Cervantes, fue hijo de Fran

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I used Google translate and fixed it a little (OK, A LOT):

Don Lorenzo Cervantes-Villaseñor and Cardenas was the son of Joseph Cervantes y de Alba and Doña Josefa de Cardenas (who married on April 18, 1668 in Jalostotitlán), Jose Cervantes was the son of Francisco Cervantes Villaseñor (who got married on October 15, 1614 in Lagos, to Doña Maria de Alba Retamosa, daughter of Alonso de Alva and Doña Leonor de Retamosa, and was the maternal granddaughter of Alderman Don Alonso Macias Valdez and Doña Maria Vazquez de Retamosa). Thanks to this marriage record we known that Francisco Cervantes, was the son of Don Pedro de Villaseñor, but thanks to Don Mariano Gonzalez Leal who kindly provided me a copy of the book titled "Grandchildren of Don Juan", we know that Don Pedro Villasenor y Cervantes (from Guango, Michoacán) and Doña Catalina Corona (from Extremadura, Spain). Don Juan de Villaseñor y Orozco-Tovar, a native of the town of Velez, Spain, and Catalina Cervantes Saavedra y de Andrada

Breakthrough on my Pineda/Pinedo research

For years, I couldn't find much information about my Pineda/o line.

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Hi Chris, Does all your family live in the valley? We decend from Felicidad Villarreal. She married Pedro Esparza. They settled the San Pedro Carricitos land grant about 1824. Felicidad had a brother Placido that married into the Trevino family ( Petra T.) Any connections here?

One of our members married Fernando Perez. THis line of Perez was in the bakery business.
Also have in our tree Chapa, Cavazos, Solis, Garcia, Pineda, Trevino and so many more.

I am sure we connect. Please send us your family data from way back so we can try to make these connections. Most of us use Family Tree Maker....and we will give you plenty of notice when the genealogy group meets again..... Phyls

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Pineda
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:19 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Breakthrough on my Pineda/Pinedo research

For years, I couldn't find much information about my Pineda/o line. My grandfather

Can someone please read this Mariage document for me??

Im sort of having a hard time understanding it.
Xpoval(Cristoval) Villa Lobos and Maria Perez De Nava

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11174-910-34?cc=1615259&wc=1…

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Adrián Márquez Padilla

Esta seria mi interpretacion del manuscrito, ya que el mismo se encuentra en muy mal estado, espero te sea de utilidad...

Velados
Cristobal de Villalobos
Y Maria Perez

En diez y nueve de octubre de mil quinientos noventa y cuatro años yo el bachiller Joan Ugarte habiendo y hechas las amonestaciones y demas diligencias y con mandamiento del provisor y no constando de ningun impedimento, despose y di las bendiciones nupciales en esta iglesia a Cristobal de Villalobos vecino de esta ciudad y natural de la villa de Maria de …… en los reynos de Castilla hijo de Mateo …. Y de Bernandina San Clares con ¿?.... natural de esta ciudad hija de Cristobal ….y Madalena siendo testigos Diego Muñoz ………baracin y Francisco Blanco y Andres ……

Saludos

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Adrián Márquez Padilla

El documento en cuestion esta muy dañado en la parte donde se menciona, pero lo puedes leer en el margen izquierdo, donde dice:

velados
Xpoval devilla
lovos y mªperes

por cierto aparecen en family search algunos de sus descendientes.. en todos ellos se refieren a Maria Perez como Mari Peres.

Francisco De Villalobos Perez, 31 Jul 1595, Asuncion, México D.F
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N1MR-5B5

Tomas De Villalobos Perez, 25 Feb 1604, Santa Veracruz, Mexico D.F.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/ND9S-KJQ

Mariana De Villalobos Perez, 27 May 1597, Santa Veracruz, Mexico D.F.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/ND9S-KJ4

Jacinto De Villalobos (matrimonio) 28 Apr 1630, Santa Veracruz, Mexico D.F.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JHGQ-PTR

La Iglesia de la Santa Veracruz se encuentra ubicada precisamente en lo que se conoce como la Plaza de la Santa Veracruz, enfrente de la Alameda Central en la ciudad de Mexico, muy cercana al Palacio de

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Adrián Márquez Padilla

Abram, no he leido todos los bautismos, pero si los mencionan, al menos en el de Mariana.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12459-30384-81?cc=1615259&…

Mi interpretacion del acta...

Mªiana

En veintisiete de mayo de mil y quinientos y noventa y cuatro años yo Andres de Mendoza con licencia de los curas de esta parroquia batise a Mariana hija de Xpoval de villa Lobos y de mari perez ya mujer fueron sus padrinos Juan Gutierrez Montaño y Ana Perez…

con calma voy a buscar los otros....

Saludos

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Adrián Márquez Padilla

Estimado Abram, ante todo una disculpa por no escribirte en ingles, lo puedo leer pero no lo se escribir.

Novedades: buscando mas información me encontre un acta de matrimonio de un Cristobal Perez de Nava con Isabel de Velazco con fecha 12 de agosto de 1596 en la misma iglesia donde se casaron Cristobal de Villalobos y Maria Perez de Nava, no puedo asegurar que estos datos sean veridicos, pero por la relación de apellidos y fechas pudiera ser que este Cristobal Perez de Nava fuera hermano de Maria.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JHPS-N98

Matrimonio de Cristobal Peres de Nava e Isabel de Velazco 12 agosto de 1596 en la Santa Veracruz, Ciudad de México.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11174-413-50?cc=1615259&wc=1…
Imagen 362

Mi interpretacion del acta incompleta:
velados
xpoval pe
res de naba
ysabel de be
lasco
belaronse
en 26 de enero
de 97 años
En doce dias del mes de agosto. De mil quinientos y noventa y seis años habiendose hecho

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Estimado Adrián,

En el registro de matrimonio de Mari Pérez se sabe que el apellido de su
madre es Madalena y existe un registro de matrimonio de Christoval Peres y
Maria Magdaleno el 19 de diciembre 1577 en Santa Veracruz, D.F. México que
deberian ser los padres de Mari Pérez de Nava que es tambien mi ancestro.
Fue gracias a Celestino Villalobos quien me dejó saber que existia ahí ese
registro y fue Deedra quien lo halló en linea. Se habló de ese registro en
el siguiente hilo donde transcribí el documento
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20010 Sería mejor seguir la platica
de esta pareja en ese hilo si todavia queda comentarios o preguntas por
hacer.

Saludos
Armando

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:19 PM, wrote:

> Adrián Márquez Padilla
>
> Estimado Abram, ante todo una disculpa por no escribirte en ingles, lo
> puedo leer pero no lo se escribir.
>
> Novedades: buscando mas información me encontre un acta de matrimonio de
> un Cristobal Perez de Nava con Isabel de Velazco con fecha

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Armando,

The following parents of Maria Perez De Nava wife of Cristobal De Villalobos

Father:Fernando Perez De Nava

Mother:Maria Linares

I had a question isn't Cristobals last name just Villalobos?

Abram

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Abram,

It seems you did not read the whole thread or understand all of it. The
last name of the mother of María Pérez de Nava, the wife of Cristóbal de
Villalobos, was Madalena or Magdalena the father's first name is Cristóbal.
Therefore we know the father's name is Cristóbal Pérez. In the marriage
for Cristóbal Pérez and María Magdalena the parents of Crisóbal Pérez were
Hernan de Perez and and María Lopez. Fernando Peres and Maria Linares are
names that came up due to an incorrect transcription. I wrote a correction
of those names it in that thread. I feel subjects already written about
should be followed in the original thread which is at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20010 It is easier to follow up and
not have to read multiple threads for info on an identical subject.

Cristóbal Pérez was the father in law of Cristóbal de Villalobos in case
that was also confusing you.

Armando

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:20 PM, wrote:

> Armando,
>
> The following parents of Maria Perez

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Armando,

My fault i didn't quite understand the thread but now i do thanks for clarfying it.Interesting so the name Magdalena can be a first name and a last name.So in the marriage record it only mentioned the parents of Cristobal Perez and not Marias Magdalena parents?.Yea that did sort of confused me becuase i have Cristobal De Villalobos parents as Matia De Villalobos and Bernandina Sanclares.

Abram

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Adrián Márquez Padilla

Muchas gracias Armando por la aclaracion, es muy facil perder el hilo ante esos manuscritos, me deje guiar por el nombre de Cristobal Peres de Nava, aunado a lo dificil que es leer e interpretar los manuscritos de esa epoca.

Leyendo la otra linea donde se se aclaran la linea de los padres de María Perez de Nava queda bastante claro.

Hernando Perez caso con Maria Lopez
Hijos:
Cristobal Perez

Gonzalo Magdalena caso con Maria Hernandez
Hijos:
Maria Magdalena Hernandez

Cristobal Perez de Nava caso con Maria Magdalena el 19 de Sept. 1577
Hijos:
Mariá Perez de Nava Magdalena

Cristobal de Villalobos caso con Bernardina Sanclares
Hijos:
Cristobal de Villalobos Sanclares.

Cristobal de Villalobos caso con Maria Perez de Nava el 19 de Oct. 1594

Y efectivamente seria conveniente trasladar este hilo a la investigacion realizada anteriormente:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/20010

Saludos