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Amalia here is my quick transcription:

En sinco deel mes de junio de seiscientos y setenta tres años en la yglesia parroquial de San Diego de León con licentia del padre [. . .] exorcisé puse el santo oléo baptisé y puse chrisma a Juan hijo legítimo de Juan de villalpando y de María de Oláez . Fueron padrinos Juan de Oláez y Theresa de Oláez, todos españoles y vecinos desta jurisdición.

[Rúbrica] Fr. Nicolás de la Parra

Daniel Méndez Camino

I also used FTDNA. It is cheaper if you join a project such as the Mexico
DNA project maintained by Gary Felix.
http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Mexico-DNA

You can join multiple projects such as the Mexico DNA project and surname
projects. What is the surname for your father in law from Teocaltiche?

Armando

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:09 AM, wrote:

> My father who is 76 yrs old (GGparents from Chihuahua) and my uncle is is
> 93 yrs old (GGparents from Sonora) and my father in Law 70 yrs old
> (Teocaltiche, Jalisco) have agreed to do DNA testing. Can anyone recommend a
> DNA service provider that they have used in the past. Looking for something
> priced reasonable with the most information returned. Thanks for your
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I also used Family tree DNA and then had it send to the Gary Felix site where he posts them.  My Mothers brother Gutierrez came back Haplogroup N and my Brother Castanon came back R1.. I was very happy with their service and recommend both sites
Linda in B.C.

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My father who is 76 yrs old (GGparents from Chihuahua) and my uncle is is 93 yrs old (GGparents from Sonora) and my father in Law 70 yrs old (Teocaltiche, Jalisco) have agreed to do DNA testing. Can anyone recommend a DNA service provider that they have used in the past. Looking for something priced reasonable with the most information returned. Thanks for your assistance. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Good luck,
Alicia
San Jose, CA

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Roberto,

I did a quick check on your great grandmother's line. I found Primotivo Bais baptized in Asientos, Aguascalientes
14 Jun 1845 son of Andres Bais and Antonia de Lira. Paternal grandparents: Jose Maria Bais, Petra Candelas and
Maternal Grandparents: Gregorio Candelas, Polonia Juarez. There is a town near Aguascalientes and Asientos
called El Agostadero, it's probably the same one mentioned in the crossing.

Tereso Sifuentes and Loreta Bais baptized their daughter Francisca 10 Mar 1898 in Monterrey, Nuevo Leon.
The PG were Isidoro Sifuentes and Luz Hernandez of the city of Zacatecas. The MG were Andres Bais and Antonia
de Lira of Asientos, Ags. Isidoro Sifuentes and Luz Hernandez baptized their son Jose Felipe 30 Aug 1863 in
the City of Zacatecas, Zac. It appears your family did some moving around. I have some lines in Zacatecas and
especially Asientos.

Hope this helps somewhat for now.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Claudia, In the spirit of your post I wanted to share my DNA results based on the the X and Y chromosomes.

Paternal: Haplogroup I2a (P37.2)
Maternal (mtDNA): Haplogroup B

The maternal result isn't surprising as it's found among those that initially colonized the Americas over 10,000 years ago.

For me, the surprise is finding that my paternal DNA is P37.2, which is a predominant marker found among Balkan countries today. I've found two people with the same marker and last name (Gonzalez) as my father who are also from the same area in Zacatecas, Cuquio and La Villita near Jalpa. My father's ancestors (at least as back as ~1770) are from La Villita. I haven't yet made the genealogical connections with these two other lines, but it's great to know that there are a lot of undiscovered connections out there. Cuquio and Jalpa lie on the south-north road connecting Zacatecas and Guadalajara, and also are connected via Yahualica, Teocaltiche, Nochistlan, and Calvillo.
It's not clear how

Claudia,
You stated that the substitution rate of the X-chromosome is fast, and the reason why X-chromosomes are not used to determine genealogies. I respectfully disagree. X-Chromosomes in mammals, including humans, display substitution rates slower than autosomes (non-sex chromosomes). Several hypotheses have been advanced to explain this slower rate, but purifying selection against deleterious mutations is perhaps the most plausible explanation. Thus a slow mutation rate is perhaps one reason why X-chromosomes are not used genealogical studies. I can think of other reasons, including the high potential of this metacentric chromosome for crossing-over during meiosis. This type of genetic recombination would produce genealogies that cannot be easily solved, as the new chromatid now includes mom's and dad's contribution.

Sincerely

Jaime Alvarado

Hello Claudia,

I haven't said anything that stated or inferred anything different. My
statement about mtDNA being passed down from mother to son may have been
interpreted incorrectly, I was only pointing out that men can test for
mtDNA. If there has been a misunderstanding about some of my posts please
let me know.

Now that you bring up Autosomal DNA. The following is directly from
FamilyTreeDNA -

** Due to the nature of autosomal DNA, the test does not specify from which
branch of your family tree your matches or the percentages of your
geographic heritage derive.

Therefore, you cannot get one's complete ethnic origin breakdown from an
AUTOSOMAL DNA analysis. A complete ethnic origin breakdown would actually be
impossible for almost everybody and this shouldn't be expected to be
acheived at all. No one has inferred that this can be done. I am curious as
to what led you to believe someone had inferred such is possible or is even
being attempted.

Armando

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 7

Es realmente fantastico. Estube revisando un poco de Jalisco y va a ser una excelente fuente de mi busqueda.

Aqui el link:

Mexico, Jalisco, Civil Registration, 1832-2000

Miguel Beltran

Am

On Aug 12, 2011, at 12:56 PM, gpf13@aol.com wrote:

> New records posted today:
>
> Queretaro, Veracruz, and Oaxaca.

Nancy

Not infrequently, births in California were recorded without a given name, only last names.

My mother-in-law, born in 1925, in the Imperial Valley, CA actually added her name to her birth certificate when she was an adult.

My father-in-law, born in 1924 or 1925, picked a 1925 birth certificate (the other was for his brother who died as an infant), both of these had only surnames for the child. He took 1925 because it kept him out of the WW II draft for another year.

There are also gaps in the records as not every birth was recorded, even when required by law.

A similar situation may apply to your father. You might have better luck with the County Clerk, rather than Sacramento for the birth certificate.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Dear Nancy:
Have you tried researching the Sanchez Guerrero family? She might have been a godparent to some of the sibling's children, then you could place her. She could also have been a witness in one of the marriage investigations. Sometimes those auxiliary records can really help.

Maureen Bejar

Hello Nuestros Ranchos,
 
I would like to humbly ask for assistance in reading a marriage entry.  I have found a Family Search image and cannot make out some details such as: the place Emeterio Delgadillo lives, and the part after 'hija legitima de Marcelino Prieto y Refugio Cruz que viven, .......'
The link to the image is:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…, and appears in Nochistlan, Matrimonion 1883-1887, image 244 of 519.  There is a handwritten '374' at the top of the page stamped '188'.

Although the handwriting is beautiful, the image quality on my screen is difficult to read.
 
Any assistance in the translation is greatly appreciated.
 
Raymond Medrano
Hot Houston

Hola Alejandro, curioso lo que mencionas de los Gómez de Nochistlán. Yo también he estado investigando ésta familia y también quedé atorado en el matrimonio de Nicolás Gómez con Magdalena Sepúlveda.

El esposo de mi hermana es Gómez Gómez, y el Gómez de su madre proviene de Nicolás Gómez y Magdalena Sepúlveda por su hijo Ascencio, quien casó con María de la Asención Rodríguez Ramírez.

Si encuentro algo después te tendré en mente porque se que te interesa.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

2011/7/27, Juan Aguayo :
> To all,
>
> I just noticed that as of July 23 Teocaltiche church records are now
> available online!
>
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
>
>
> Ahora me di cuenta que las actas de Teocaltiche estan disponible desde el 23
> de este mes en la red!
>
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
>
> Saludos a todos,
>
> Juan Carlos Aguayo Munoz
>
>Gracias muchas gracias ocupaba revisar y me han sido de mucha ayuda... perdon el abuso pero no sabes si tambien estan los de nayarit ?????
>
> _SERGIO EDUARDO ALATORRE GOMEZ
SALUDOS Y NUEVAMENTE
GRACIAS___________________________________________________________________
>

Nancy,
 
I feel your pain. I'm still looking for my elusive GG grandfather Prudencio Olmos' birth record, still no luck, but the hunt is half the fun. In the process I have made many other discoveries about other family lines.
My other problem is that all of my family lines come from Nochistlan and it's so easy to get distracted. While searching for one family, I encounter many other family connections and lose the focus of the one I'm searching for at that one time.
To complicate things further, my husband's family is also from Nochistlan and I find our families co-mingling with each other all along the way.
So not only am I contending with my ancestors, I'm also having to answer to his ancestors, they are all calling to me and saying, come here, find me first.
Good luck Nancy and thanks Patty for your family tree that inspires all of us to keep going.
 
Saludos de San Jose,
Alicia

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Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:18 PM

Had you try looking for your mother´s christening record??? with a little
bit of luck you can find there her grand parents and where is she from, or
her marriage record can also contain that data.

I know its a very simple tip but it may help.

Good luck!

On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:18 PM, wrote:

> Believe me, after more than 10 years of patiently searching for my
> grandmother's name
> and background and finding literally nothing,my patience is running out but
> I haven't
> yet given up. She doesn't seem to exist in any records I've searched and I
> don't know her maiden name, so how to find her? She was born about 1892, I
> believe in Mexico, but have no proof. I am now researching the surnames of
> Guerrero, Sanchez, Flores, in Guadalajara, based on a family group photo
> from about 1908. I have looked for a marriage record (not found) for
> Francisco Sanchez Guerrero
> as I am hoping he is my grandmother's father, which would lead to breaking
> down
> my huge brick wall. You

Perhaps this is obvious, but did your grandmother come to the US? If so, take a look at the US census records. These will give the country of birth, and a date of immigration. However, don't take the date as absolute, it could be a few years either way. The listed age may be correct, but again, do not assume it is unless you have some supporting evidence: I've seen dates as far as 10 years off for older people, such as in their 50s!

When you search the US census you may have to be creative when searching the last or first name. The census taken didn't always spell names correctly, and sometimes had real problems with non-American names. The ancestry.com indexes are OK, the LDS ones are better. The Heritage Quest indexes aren't nearly as useful.

Try searching for the first name and location only. Unfortunately, this tends to produce many results; a birth year range will narrow the list.

Something else to consider, is that who ever extracted the name for the census index may not have

No he visto la dispensa pero no creo que son los mismos simplemente por las
fechas. Puedes encontrar la familia de Esteban I Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza y
Maria Torres Valdivia en la página de Javier Sanchiz Ruiz.
http://gw5.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=sanchiz&lang=es;p=esteban;n=gomez+…

¿Nos puedes dar el enlace de la dispensa?

Armando

2011/8/15

> Hola a todos los compañerpos del foro,,, revizando unas dispensas
> matrimoniales del año 1797 me encotre una que decia que Agustin Gomez Casado
> con Maria leal y Paula Gomez casada con Martin Casillas eran hijos de esta
> Pareja de Fernando Gomez y Ana Villaseñor,, lo cual contradice el Libro de
> Don Mariano Gonzalez Leal, que menciona en su libro que estos dos Agustin y
> Paula Gomez son hijos de Esteban I Gomez Hurtado de mendoza y Maria Torres
> Valdivia,, alguien de ustedes sabe de quien eran hijos este Fernando Gomez y
> Ana Villaseñor,,, la dispensa de la que hablo esta en la pag. 379 de las
> dispensas de 1797 por si la

Hola Valente

Hace unos días comenté sobre tu pregunta, pero me parece que hice algo mal y no apareció el comentario, o quizá fue el problema que hubo en la página. No sé.

Vuelvo a escribir lo que yo pienso de este tema.

Fui a ver la referencia que indicas y me doy cuenta que la costumbre de colocar estas iniciales comienza, si no me equivoco, en los libros de 1841. Definitivamente no creo que quiera decir indio o casta, el uso de colocar la "calidad" como se llamaba a la raza de los bautizados se suspendió junto con la consumación de la independencia, en 1821. Me parece que hubo una ley que prohibió asentar la raza de las personas en estos libros. El caso es que esa práctica se abandonó. Algunos párrocos en vez de el adjetivo "indio" o "español" colocaron el de "americano" o "ciudadano" En 1880 ya no era posible distinguir quien era mestizo o español. Creo que se debe dar por descartado que YY quiera decir indio.

Me parece que puede referirse a un lugar pensé que CC pudiera ser

This is really cool. Thanks Claudia!

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Received: 06:53 PM PDT, 08/14/2011
From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Padron de Nochistlan - 1846

Here are my quick notes of what an be found in the images for the 1846 Padron
de Nochistlan found here:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…

1846-1899 - nochistlan - padrones
Film: 226945

NOTE: I am making note of place names only so you will find your people if you
already know the name of the rancho, estancia or place where they resided.

IMAGES #003-100

003 slate 1846
004 principio
005/6 1846 padron

007/8 oriente

011 norte

015 poniente

016 sur

018 barrio de santiago

021 barrio de san sebastian

025 barrio de san francisco

029 puesto de la villita

030 cofradia del santisimo / huerta de pachecos

031 cofradia de la purisima / pueblo de toyahua

039 pueblo de apulco

045 pueblo

Claudia,

On behalf of the Nuestros Ranchos group I would like to extend my thanks
to you for your wonderful efforts in helping your fellow researchers. I
certainly hope that others will take note and follow your fine example.

thank you,

joseph

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claudiacasillas@gmail.com wrote:
> Here are my quick notes of what an be found in the images for the 1846
> Padron de Nochistlan found here:
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
>
>
> 1846-1899 - nochistlan - padrones
> Film: 226945
>
> NOTE: I

Well said, Daniel!
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Sent: Aug 14, 2011 10:10 AM

It all takes patience, sometimes I believe I lack it, but we all started at the
beginning. Many people consider some of us "smart" "knowledegble" but in
reality we have just studied over the years. We all start from a tiny seed
and with a bit of patience and persistance, it begins to grow into a tree
that unites all your ancestors.

Daniel Méndez Camino

It all takes patience, sometimes I believe I lack it, but we all started at the
beginning. Many people consider some of us "smart" "knowledegble" but in
reality we have just studied over the years. We all start from a tiny seed
and with a bit of patience and persistance, it begins to grow into a tree
that unites all your ancestors.

Daniel Méndez Camino

I don't have a recommendation on a book but some very good websites with
very smart and knowledgeable people are the following -

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/
http://dna-forums.org/
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?201-Genetics-amp-Anthropo…

Every year there are changes and additions to the the haplogroups. The
current haplogroups and subclades can be seen at
http://www.isogg.org/tree/index.html

The books you mentioned will have outdated info, and maybe even biased, so
keep that in mind when reading them. There are currently many studies that
will bring to light a lot more info, changes, and additions. The forums from
the above websites include many good arguments that should be read to
understand how many details aren't fully agreed upon yet.

Wikipedia has been updated with these changes and include links to the
source info and studies so it will have a lot of good material but the
previous mentioned