http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp

http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp



Here is some of the info I gleamed from that page that has the ships
from Spain. I have another book I was going to quote from later but some
of these "Mapas y Planos" have Padrones associated with them. I know for
the Colotlan area there are Padrones associated with them but if there
are for your specific area I'd have to look at that other book. Ask me
and I'll look it up. And yes I do realize that some of these are
duplicate entries, thats the way it was from the search engine results:

Passenger lists from Spain to America (1509 to 1790) are on-line/Forgotten Thanks

A very big thank you to Elvira Zavala-Patton for forwarding me this information. I haven't gotten much past the registration

which is a two part process. First fill in the registration page, then login then fill out another questionaire. I'm sure
there are large Gold Nuggets on this site and just wanted to quickly let you all know about it. Thanks Elvira.


Joseph Puentes
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ciudad_Juarez/

================

The Spanish Ministry of Education has setup a HUGE database of documents
in Spanish archives. The database is called AER. Most of the documents
have only a description (which anyway is incredibly useful to locate
documents concerning some of your ancestors in Spain), but some
documents have also the original image, among them the passenger lists!!!


The access to AER and its contents is somewhat complicated, to start, you
can access AER going to the page
http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp and following the registration
procedure.

To access, you need Internet Explorer 6 with the Flash Player and the VB
automation and Vector graphics complements.

=================

PS: on another subject: just today I sent out a message about the Legado Latinos Conference being held on Oct. 18th in
Salt Lake. I'm am so sorry that I forgot to mention my thanks to the contributor of that information: Jon Walker. Thanks Jon

I guess I got so excited about the info I forgot my manners. sorry.




Legado Latino Conference



I so much wished I could attend this conference. Look at the attached
Jpeg file for the schedule of fabulous topics to be presented at their
6th anual conference. There are some very knowledgable persons speaking
at the conference. Please attend if you can. And if you do I would
really like for you to make a presentation of what was discussed. .
.thanks. I would so much like to hear a presentation by Lyman Platt or
George Ryscamp or Ruth Schirmacher or. . .



If you agree mark your calendars for Oct. 18th, 2003 in Salt Lake City.

 


href="http://legadolatino.org/">http://legadolatino.org/


[the conference schedule is in the attached file]



joseph

JPEG image

1818 Census of Villanueva

I looked on the Census but truthfully I didn't go through it slowly as
a thorough search requires. I just uploaded a
file that lists the names of the Ranchos found in the Villanueva
section of the 1818 Census [film #0168814].



for Santa Rosa de Malpaso these are the ranchos listed: Sesa de Arriba,
El Molino, El Escalon, Sera Chica, and La Noria.



let me know if you or anyone finds a specific Rancho that they would
like me to look at again.



Joseph



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1818 Census of Villanueva

Well some said Santa Rosa and some said Jerez and some said Xerox 
and some said Rancho del Fuerte Jose de la Ysla go figure.. but hey 
cool if you look them up let me know what new thing you find. (: 
Ttwobraids--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes 
<makas@n...> wrote:
> it looks good. I have the 1818 Census film [168814] that covers 
the 
> Malpaso area of Villanueva. Do you know the specific names of the 
> ranchos around Malpaso where your folks came from or was the name 
Santa 
> Rosa?
> 
> Next time I'm looking at that film if you haven't already I'll 
look for 
> your Juan Neopomuceno and Maria Gervacia Rodriquez
> 
> joseph
> 
> Twobraidzz wrote:
> 
> >Look  in files under Acuna Family Tree (Twobraidzz People)  
> >Ttwobraids
> >
> >
> >  
> >


1818 Census of Villanueva

it looks good. I have the 1818 Census film [168814] that covers the
Malpaso area of Villanueva. Do you know the specific names of the
ranchos around Malpaso where your folks came from or was the name Santa
Rosa?



Next time I'm looking at that film if you haven't already I'll look for
your Juan
Neopomuceno

style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> and

style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: red;">Maria
Gervacia Rodriquez

style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">



joseph



Twobraidzz wrote:

Look  in files under Acuna Family Tree (Twobraidzz People)  
Ttwobraids


  

Another New Member

Welcome(:--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "sandraray74360" 
<SRay@m...> wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
>     Though my family ties are not from the states that are usually 
> mentioned here, I want to learn from and hopefully help others 
trying 
> to research their Hispanic roots.
> 
>     I've noticed a couple of members who have like surnames and 
> desperatly hope a link can be established. The names I am 
researching 
> at this point are: de la Garza, Noriega, Flores and Gonzalez.
> 
>     My grandmother was Carmen de la Garza de Gonzalez.  She was 
born 
> in Chihuahua City in September of 1878 to Melchor de la Garza and 
> Lucrecia Flores.  Other siblings were Rosa ( born in Rio 
> Florido,Sonora, Aug 1884), Melchor, Philipe, Pedro and Jose Maria. 
> I'm afraid I don't know any of the men's dates of birth or the 
> parents.
> 
>     Carmen married Jose Federico Gonzalez (date unknown) who was 
> possibly from Gomez Palacio. Their only surviving child was my 
> grandmother, Maria Luisa Gonzalez who was born about 1909-1913 in 
> Gomez Palacio, Durango, MX.
> 
>     Rosa de la Garza married Timoteo Gonzalez (date & location 
> unknown).  Their children were Evagelina (born 1912), Genoveva 
(born 
> 1914, married Franciso Rios), Pedro (born 1909) and Jesus (born 
1910)
> 
> 
>     Evagelina came to the states on July 19, 1923 at El Paso and I 
> think her mother Rosa came at the same time.  Carmen crossed over 
in 
> Nogales in January 1927 according to her immigration papers.
> 
>     The few facts I have have taken several years to gather 
because 
> my family was always so closed mouthed about their past.  As a 
matter 
> of fact, for a long time I thought they were illegals.  I was put 
> straight on that matter quite quickly! The only thing I know about 
> Lucrecia Flores is that she died in the flu epidemic in 1918 in MX.
> 
>     I recently acquired some family pictures which might explain 
all 
> the secretness.  I believe they are of battles in the Cristero 
> Rebellion. In them are photos of several men carring Craig 
> rifles,some pointing at the cameer, rancho ruins with a large 
group 
> of soliders in front of it and interesting looking mesas with 
> soliders laying on some with guns pointed outward.  One man is 
> dressed in white and looks woulnded supported by two other men.  

Another New Member

Hello Everyone,

    Though my family ties are not from the states that are usually 
mentioned here, I want to learn from and hopefully help others trying 
to research their Hispanic roots.

    I've noticed a couple of members who have like surnames and 
desperatly hope a link can be established. The names I am researching 
at this point are: de la Garza, Noriega, Flores and Gonzalez.

    My grandmother was Carmen de la Garza de Gonzalez.  She was born 
in Chihuahua City in September of 1878 to Melchor de la Garza and 
Lucrecia Flores.  Other siblings were Rosa ( born in Rio 
Florido,Sonora, Aug 1884), Melchor, Philipe, Pedro and Jose Maria. 
I'm afraid I don't know any of the men's dates of birth or the 
parents.

    Carmen married Jose Federico Gonzalez (date unknown) who was 
possibly from Gomez Palacio. Their only surviving child was my 
grandmother, Maria Luisa Gonzalez who was born about 1909-1913 in 
Gomez Palacio, Durango, MX.

    Rosa de la Garza married Timoteo Gonzalez (date & location 
unknown).  Their children were Evagelina (born 1912), Genoveva (born 
1914, married Franciso Rios), Pedro (born 1909) and Jesus (born 1910)


    Evagelina came to the states on July 19, 1923 at El Paso and I 
think her mother Rosa came at the same time.  Carmen crossed over in 
Nogales in January 1927 according to her immigration papers.

    The few facts I have have taken several years to gather because 
my family was always so closed mouthed about their past.  As a matter 
of fact, for a long time I thought they were illegals.  I was put 
straight on that matter quite quickly! The only thing I know about 
Lucrecia Flores is that she died in the flu epidemic in 1918 in MX.

    I recently acquired some family pictures which might explain all 
the secretness.  I believe they are of battles in the Cristero 
Rebellion. In them are photos of several men carring Craig 
rifles,some pointing at the cameer, rancho ruins with a large group 
of soliders in front of it and interesting looking mesas with 
soliders laying on some with guns pointed outward.  One man is 
dressed in white and looks woulnded supported by two other men.  
Names listed on the back are Jesus Flores, Alejandro Feyida, Jose 
Gomez and others that are hard to read. One is dated 2/18/29 and just 
says Canyon Seco, Sonora.  Another has Comp. Flores, Rancho de Canas 
and mucho muertos, dated 3/15/1929.  Alejandio Feyda hindo y muerte 2 

Another New Member

Hello Everyone,

    Though my family ties are not from the states that are usually 
mentioned here, I want to learn from and hopefully help others trying 
to research their Hispanic roots.

    I've noticed a couple of members who have like surnames and 
desperatly hope a link can be established. The names I am researching 
at this point are: de la Garza, Noriega, Flores and Gonzalez.

    My grandmother was Carmen de la Garza de Gonzalez.  She was born 
in Chihuahua City in September of 1878 to Melchor de la Garza and 
Lucrecia Flores.  Other siblings were Rosa ( born in Rio 
Florido,Sonora, Aug 1884), Melchor, Philipe, Pedro and Jose Maria. 
I'm afraid I don't know any of the men's dates of birth or the 
parents.

    Carmen married Jose Federico Gonzalez (date unknown) who was 
possibly from Gomez Palacio. Their only surviving child was my 
grandmother, Maria Luisa Gonzalez who was born about 1909-1913 in 
Gomez Palacio, Durango, MX.

    Rosa de la Garza married Timoteo Gonzalez (date & location 
unknown).  Their children were Evagelina (born 1912), Genoveva (born 
1914, married Franciso Rios), Pedro (born 1909) and Jesus (born 1910)


    Evagelina came to the states on July 19, 1923 at El Paso and I 
think her mother Rosa came at the same time.  Carmen crossed over in 
Nogales in January 1927 according to her immigration papers.

    The few facts I have have taken several years to gather because 
my family was always so closed mouthed about their past.  As a matter 
of fact, for a long time I thought they were illegals.  I was put 
straight on that matter quite quickly! The only thing I know about 
Lucrecia Flores is that she died in the flu epidemic in 1918 in MX.

    I recently acquired some family pictures which might explain all 
the secretness.  I believe they are of battles in the Cristero 
Rebellion. In them are photos of several men carring Craig 
rifles,some pointing at the cameer, rancho ruins with a large group 
of soliders in front of it and interesting looking mesas with 
soliders laying on some with guns pointed outward.  One man is 
dressed in white and looks woulnded supported by two other men.  
Names listed on the back are Jesus Flores, Alejandro Feyida, Jose 
Gomez and others that are hard to read. One is dated 2/18/29 and just 
says Canyon Seco, Sonora.  Another has Comp. Flores, Rancho de Canas 
and mucho muertos, dated 3/15/1929.  Alejandio Feyda hindo y muerte 2 

28 out of 58

And some of us keep re-attaching ourselves to the same branch.  :) Irma

-----Original Message-----
From: Twobraidzz [mailto:ttwobraids@...]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 8:37 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: 28 out of 58


Its ok Art we all swing from the same branch..  pun 
intended.Ttwobraids--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, AGarza0972@a... 
wrote:
> 30 of you need to either contact me privately with your reasons or 
> submit your genealogies.
> ================================
> Sorry people, I meant to send my previous message to Joseph, not 
the group.  
> Oh well.....
> 
> 
> A. Garza



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Petition Papers



But your situation brings up a leaning opportunity for others (me included). Would you mind giving us a few sentences on how you obtained your fathers petition papers? Also do you or anyone else in the group know how to get border crossing info?

=============================================

No, I don't mind providing you the information you request above regarding the petition papers.  And there have been a couple of email notes identifying some of the web sites that provide info on border crossing....I'll see if I kept that info.  I'll do it next week. 

 

 

A. Garza

28 out of 58

Its ok Art we all swing from the same branch..  pun 
intended.Ttwobraids--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, AGarza0972@a... 
wrote:
> 30 of you need to either contact me privately with your reasons or 
> submit your genealogies.
> ================================
> Sorry people, I meant to send my previous message to Joseph, not 
the group.  
> Oh well.....
> 
> 
> A. Garza


28 out of 58

Suddenly I got this vision of Makas pointing his finger at me.. lol, 
Aye I am getting to it ok,,, its just all these papeles, I will 
submit, I will submit... I promise..no to enojes. (:  The Acuna 
People Tree comming soon, Ttwobraids--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, 
makas@n... wrote:
> 
> okay we're doing pretty good. I just counted and 28 out of the 58 
> members have sent me their genealogies. I won't be happy until we 
have a 
> bare minimum of 75%.
> 
> In 6 months we will meet this goal.
> 
> set your calendars for March 1, 2004.
> 
> 30 of you need to either contact me privately with your reasons or 
> submit your genealogies.
> 
> joseph


Mi Prima Rosalinda

That is really great!! Ttwobraids--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, 
Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> 
> I just want to take this opportunity to with great pride introduce 
the 
> latest member of my family my blood: Rosalinda Ruiz.
> 
> She has done great work and discovered we are cousins. . .6th 
cousins to 
> be exact. I cut and pasted the following section of her email to 
me:
> 
> JOSE JACINTO Banuelos----> JOSE ANTONIO Banuelos----> JESUS 
> Banuelos----> JOSE CLARO Banuelos----> FELIPA Banuelos---> LINDA---
-> 
> ROSEANNA----> ROSALINDA
>  
> JOSE JACINTO Banuelos----> JOSE ANTONIO Banuelos----> MARIA 
PHELIPA DE 
> JESUS Banuelos---> MARIA PETRA NARCISA----> MARIA VICENTA----> 
> FELIPA---> LINDA---> ROSEANNA---> ROSALINDA
> 
>  
> JOSE JACINTO Baneulos----> MATIAS Banuelos----> SOLEDAD Banuelos---
-> 
> DOMINGA Varela----> JOSE JULIO DE JESUS Puentes---> JULIO Puentes--
--> 
> ANTONIO Puentes---> Joseph Puentes
> 
> ===============
> 
> I just want to thank Rosalinda for the joy it brings to my heart 
to 
> discover living relatives of antiguaty. To me finding a relative 
like 
> Rosalinda and I have found each other is just like what it is. . 
> .reaching back to the 1700's and touching our ancient Abuelos by 
finding 
> ourselves.
> 
> Our common Abuelos are: Jose Jacinto Banuelos and  Bartola 
Sipriana de 
> la Torre
> 
> Joseph Puentes


Mexican Documents


I wish I lived in Texas as I would attend this. For those of you close
enough I'd suggest looking into it:


Reading Texas' Original History & Heritage

of the 18th and 19th century from its Spanish and

Mexican Documents



Guest presenter:  David McDonald, researcher, translator, author



Friday, October 10, 2003

9:00 a.m. - 12 noon

Pre registration Fee:  $15.00

Registration on site: $20.00

OLLU Student discount available


For details call 210-434-6711, Ext 8164

or email: cmasr@...

Center for Mexican American Studies and Research


Attachment:
Paleography Workshop.doc


Description: MS-Word document

Petition Papers



thanks for the reply. I just want to separate the ones that are willing
and unable from those that have no intention of contributing. Of course
I understand your situation. But your situation brings up a leaning
opportunity for others (me included). Would you mind giving us a few
sentences on how you obtained your fathers petition papers? Also do you
or anyone else in the group know how to get border crossing info?



thanks,



joseph



ps: in time you will be in a better position to submit your work







AGarza0972@... wrote:

30 of you need to either contact me privately
with your reasons or

submit your genealogies.
==========================================
Joseph, 
the only reason I have is that I have not been able to find out where
my father was born, or when -- other than Mexico by the Texas border. 
Recently, I obtained a copy of his petition papers to become a U.S.
Naturalized Citizen.  I also now have some names of his brothers and
sisters (but no birth dates or places). 
 
I am in the
process of using Family Tree Maker to enter this newly acquired info,
but as I mentioned, all I have is names.  Is that sufficient?
 
 

family="SERIF" ptsize="10">Art Garza


Mi Prima Rosalinda

It does seem like a small world.  For about 30 plus of us in this 
group and we are finding relatives in common.  Seems very unlikely 
but its happening.

Here is a list of the people I have been able to connect to, (hope I 
didn't forget anyone):

*Arnoldo Garcia - Carrion-Cardenas (4C1R); Miramontes-Gaeta (5C); 
Campos-Huerta (5C); Covarrubias-Ponse (8C)

*Rosalinda Ruiz - Grano-Covarrubias (7C); Soto-Salazar (7C1R); Gaeta-
Almeda (7C1R)

*Stella (similar to Rosalinda with one exception) - Grano-Covarrubias 
(7C); Soto-Salazar (7C1R); Gaeta-Almeda (7C1R); Perez-Haro (5C1R)

*Roseholly - Gaeta-Mayorga (6C2R)

*Joseph Puentes - Romero-Noriega (7C1R)

Roseholly, since you (or your son) are related to my Gaeta-Mayorga 
line, which is a descendant of my Gaeta-Almeda line, you are then 
also related to Rosalinda and Stella.  You are also related to 
Arnoldo since the Miramontes-Gaeta line descends from the Gaeta-
Mayorga line.  The five of us all descend from the same Gaeta family 
just at different generations.

Rosalinda and Joseph, To add to the Banuelos discussion...I have this 
ancestors marriage information:

EUGENIO DE SANDOBAL
  Male
Marriages:
  Spouse:  GERTRUDIS DE CASTANEDA
  Marriage:  26 APR 1773   Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, 
Mexico
Messages:
 Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
 M607142  1769 - 1791  0443970

Eugenio Sandoval's parents were listed as Juan Antonio Sandoval and 
Maria Rosa Banuelos.  But I haven't been able to find any further 
information on this Sandoval/Banuelos couple.  Have either of you two 
come across them?

Thanks,
Angie Godina