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jajaja! eso es velo no veló

that is velo no veló its like sope y sopa no relation at all!!!

veló comes from the verb "velar" like " velar a los muertos" that means stay
awake all night praying for the dead man,

2011/10/26 Armando

> After seeing the messages about casé y velé I did some searching and I
> found
> some things to add to what has been said previously,
>
> In the dictionary of the Real Academia Española, DRAE, it says the velo is
> a
> band of white cloth placed on the shoulders of the groom and the head of
> the
> bride as a sign of the union they acquired.
>
> * 13. * m. Banda de tela blanca, que en la misa de velaciones se ponía al
> marido por los hombros y a la mujer sobre la cabeza, en señal de la unión
> que habían contraído.
>
> http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=velo
>
> Velar is 3. tr. Cubrir con velo. U. t. c. prnl.
>
>
> On Youtube you can see a Latin mass that has this ceremony and the placing
> of this cloth can be seen in the exact

Thomas Casillas

It seems that they had 3 children and the first was born in 1711 (Maria Eufemia). I would start by looking through the marriage events in that town starting at 1710. It's tedious work but I'm sure you already knew that.

What problems are you having? I'm on the Guadalajara matrimonios at the moment and I'm not having any problems.

Hello Deedra,

I had trouble the last time I searched for them but I was able to find them
today. It seems they have added to the site since then. The URL is -

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11174-1081-37?cc=1615259&wc=…

Please let me know the URL when you find documents on our ancestors,
Villalobos and others. As you may have noticed there are a large number of
us that descend from them.

Saludos
Armando

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM, wrote:

> I seem to be missing something, but I am unable to locate the images for:
> Santa Veracruz, Santa Veracruz, Districto Federal, Mexico. I've only been
> able to locate Santa Veracruz (Guerrero Sur). Please help. Thank you,
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Saben quien fue el padre de JUAN RANGEL DE VIEZMA. Mi esposa es de Parral, Chihuahua y Juan Rangel fue quien fundo esa ciudad. Tenemos un curiosidad si el papa era de una ciudad tambien llamada Parral en Espana.

Sergio Gutierrez

The Villalpando family begins at page 2135, in volume 10, with an entry for 1694.

The book has been OCR'ed, so it is searchable with Adobe Acrobat!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Mónica,

Following the name of the bride "Cayetana Espinosa" the document reads "de
triana" meaning that she was a resident of the old "barrio de Triana" in
Aguascalientes. Today it is known as "Barrio del Encino". It used to be in
the outskirts of town, but today is within walking distance from the
downtown area (Plaza Patria). The document continues "Libre de catorce
años" meaning that Cayetana Espinosa was 14 years old and free to marry. The
poor punctuation makes this paragraph difficult to read. It would have been
better if it read "Cayetana Espinosa, de Triana, soltera de catorce
años...etc."

Saludos,
Bill Figueroa

Hi Amalia,

It appears your Tenorio de Alba family moved around a bit, I can relate to this. This is what I have on the following people you are looking for. Leonarda Tenorio de Alba married Nicolas Velarde Abeyta on 19 Apr 1751 in the Catedral de San Francisco, Santa Fe, Santa Fe, New Mexico. She was the daughter of Miguel Tenorio de Alba and Barbara Tafoya Altamirano. Miguel Tenorio de Alba was son of Miguel Tenorio de Alba and Agustina Romero. Somehow Lopez is tied in here somewhere. Like many of these families, they had ties to Northern Mexico. Primarily Zacatecas, Chihuahua, Sinaloa and Durango. They could have very well been merchants and soldiers.

Many trade routes were established as early as the XVI century. I've had experiences with ancestors being merchants and commercialsts and moving around a bit. My mother is from Aguascalientes and her fourth great grandmother was Juliana Ramos de Oviedo, a commercialist family who came in the mid XVIII century from Granada

Monica

Typically the language in the marriage ceremony includes the term "case y vele" which means that everything from the matrimonial investigation was in order, and everything required by the Council of Trent for a canonical marriage has been done. Sometimes you will see "case y no vele." I believe this means that there was some "issue," but not sufficient to prevent the marriage. Often, in these cases there will be a "vele" done a few days or weeks later, sometimes longer, after the "issue" has been settled.

I use the earlier date in my records, but also note the second date.

I have never gotten a good sense of what "vele" means. I think the literal translation is "veiled"; perhaps it means having the marriage blessed by the Church. Can anyone provide a better explanation?

The essential purpose of the matrimonial investigation is to ensure that the couple is free to marry (or if young, have their parent's permission), not presently married, there are no impediments such as

Dear Monica,
Regarding your first question. Yes, if the groom and bride came from different towns, announcements of the intention of marriage, and corresponding documentation was recorded in their respective parish. Regarding the 'informacion matrimonial' it would be the first step to establish whether there were any impediments because of consanguinity or other non filial relationships. If any was to be found, then the bishop would have to provide the 'dispensa'. Finally, the informacion matrimonial may contain valuable informacion other than the parents names. Also, the names of the parents often appear with variations that gives you clues about ancestral relationships. Finally, if a dispensa was required, then you can then search the Mitra for the specific information that generally contains a detailed description of how the couple was related.

Sincerely

Jaime Alvarado

The river "Rio de la mololoa" was the same "Rio de Santa Maria" but the "Hacienda de la Mololoa " is not the same "Hacienda de Santa Maria", booth located on the same river. "Santa Maria" hacienda was aprox. at latitude, longitude : 21.4275, -102.188 (You can search with these coordinates in googlemaps.com) and the "la Mololoa" hacienda must be in unknoed point at noreast, by de small river (which starts approximately at 21.568, -102.0 coordinates)

(Sorry for my english)
Regards from Encarnacion de Diaz.

Hello Monica

La Mololoa is not a town. It is/was a ranch or community or hacienda that I
have seen mentioned in many baptisms and marriages for Lagos. I have
contacted several relatives in Lagos by phone to ask about this place. Since
none of them knew offhand and I couldn't get a hold of two uncles that might
know we'll have to wait for a cousin to investigate and get back with me
about the exact location and size of this place.

If you notice some of the baptisms say La Mololoa and some mention Río de
Santa María. If you read a website about Encarnación de Díaz there is a
mention of el Rio de la Mololoa, llamado por los Españoles "Rio de Santa
María" which served as the limits of Teocaltiche, Jalostotitlán, Santa María
de los Lagos, San Juan, and la Encarnación. The ranch would have been next
to el Río de La Mololoa probably close to Encarnación de Díaz since that is
where many of your ancestors are from.

The website is
http://www.historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/Sauces

This name intrigued me, so I did a little research.

There was a publication called the United States Investor, in volume 33, number 1, in 1922, there is a little information about the mining stock (not encouraging!) in two Mexican mines: El Favor and Molola. Unfortunately,it doesn't say where the mines are. Here's the url

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y_4gAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA34&lpg=RA1-PA34&…

The Engineering and Mining Journal, vol 96, no. 4, 1913, has little bit more. Under the heading of Guadalajara, it talks about some work being done at the El Favor and Molola mines: they built a high wall around the mine because of bandits. They have high grade ore (gold and silver) being shipped to Aguascalientes. Here's the url

http://books.google.com/books?id=FJEgAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA184&lpg=PA184&dq=el

Hello Monica,

In the margin on the left it says Manuela Gomez is a castiza which means the
daughter of an español(a) and and a mestizo(a). Wikipedia has good articles
in Spanish http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta and English
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castas on the caste system of Latin America.

Hija de padres no conocidos means they don't know who the parents are. She
was orphaned or abandoned at a young age. The priest likely called her
castiza based on her looks. Mostly European features with some Indian
features.

Saludos
Armando

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:59 PM, wrote:

> In reading the marriage certificate of Basilio Baldes y Manuela Gomes I see
> that it reads " Bacilio Baldes espanol originario y vecino de Santa Maria,
> hijo lejitimo de Luis Baldes y de Anna Lopes y a Manuela Gomes Casta???
> origenaria y vecina de esta villa, hija de "padres no conocidos".
>
> First what is Casta? her name? a label/class? and also does "padres no
> conocidos" mean that her parents had

Estimado Raul,
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Saludos,
Daniel
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: ivraga@prodigy.net.mx
> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:25:06 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia
>
> El costo de los libros es de alrededor de 85 DLS y de paquetería sería tentativamente $130.00 USD, máximo unos $150.00 USD en caso de variar el precio.
>
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> El costo de la colección es de $1,000 como $85 USD
>
> Las medidas del paquete son: TAMAÑO 29 cm X 27 cm X 23 cm (11.3 inch X 10.5 inch X 9 inch)
> Las medidas del paquete son: PESO 11.5 Kg (25.4 Lbs)
>

Yes, they were required to ensure the previous spouse was indeed dead. Dispensas are a valuable tool and probably the most valuable document in a family besides Ejecutorias de Nobleza o Hidalguia, often naming several generations of one's family, others include Limpieza de Sangre. Anytime an Ultramarino (foreigner) was to marry in the americas, he/she would require to go under investigation. The audencia usually named the pretenso, parents, grandparents and if any hijosdalgo by blood existed. Another instances where dispensas would be issued would be the obvious consanguinity, where two people were too close to marry and would require a special license (dispensa) with a very nice limosna. Some other cases included issuing a divorce or seperation would require a special dispensa. A last example is when two people of very affluent status desired to marry for example the Condesa de San Mateo de Valparaiso and the Conde de la Valenciana or when people from different jurisdictions
were to

Monica,
Dispensas were necessary to confirm that the former spouse was actually deceased.

Jaime Alvarado

These people are Indians (Yndios) and don't have last names. They have two first names
and the second names are abbreviated such as Pasql for Pasqual, Magda (for Magdalena?), Migl. for Miguel, etc.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: buga1138@bears.unco.edu
> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:01:35 -070,
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] wedding certificate help
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> while looking at a wedding certificate I could not decipher the mathernal last names for both mothers of the bride/groom and of the mathernal dad, i was hoping that someone could help me this is the link
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15261-31250-22?cc=1410092&wc…
>
> thanks for the help!