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Thank you Stewart,

I guess my family was normal for those times. From my 7th generation
forward I find a lot of same names, like Antonio, Francisco and Francisca in
the same family, Jesus for male and female, Felipe, etc. and since there
were so many in each family, there are many of the same same but with
different father & mother. Also kind of weird to me because it involves me
is that my mother named me Maria Graciela in the civil registration but my
grandmother thought I should have a Christian name, Esther, so in my
baptismal record that is the only name I have Esther. I decided to retain
this name to honor my grandmother who was very special to me.

Esther Jordan Lopez

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Stuart Armstrong wrote:

> Esther ... ,
>
> > Rafael Lopez Ornelas ... oldest male in a family of 13. His
> > youngest brother was also named Rafael Lopez Ornelas
>
> I have a surprising number of such instances in my database. And I
> would say that in browsing the

Encontré que los Rugama y Vega eran nobles por su línea agnada, Rugama. El pleito de hidalguía está conservado en el Real Chancillería de Valladolid fechado 1818. El hombre que empezo el pleito juridico era Nicolás de Rugama, vecino de Cicero, Cantabria. Una cosa que notarás es que muchísimos de los comerciantes en México, específicamente los cántabros, eran nobles de linaje muy antiguo hijosdalgos.

Daniel M.C.

No tengo datos adicionaes sobre los Cuellar/Moreno de Ortega pero ojalá esto te ayuda con los Rugama y Vega. Muchísimas familias españolas se involucraron en el comercio de Nueva España, lo cual no era excepción con los Rugama y Vega.

Marcelino de Rugama y Vega era hijo de Nicolás de Rugama y Rosaura de Vegas, originarios de Cicero en la provincia de Santander (Cantabria). Marcelino cruzó el atlántico el 24 de octubre de 1799 y llegó a Veracruz donde trasladó a Fresnillo, Zacatecas y comenzó su carera de comerciante. Poco años después le siguió su hermano Ramón.

Ramón de Rugama y Vega, quien cruzó el mar océano el 27 de noviembre de 1803 donde también era comerciante. El dato último que tengo es interesante. Ya que sabemos los Rugama y Vega vivieron en varios sitios, Fresnillo, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, Veracruz y La Habana, Cuba.

El expediente es fechado 14 de septiembre de 1829. Saturnino Cicero hijo de Pablo Cicero y Manuela del Campo cruza el atlántico. Saturnino era

I am assuming that there is no identifying info so that you could return
these tapes to the family. What about your local historical society? Or if
you live near a univerisity, contacting the history dept. there? I see
online that there is something called the Oral History Association, link :
http://www.oralhistory.org/. Maybe they can suggest something. It is sad,
and I can understand and admire your sense of obligation to not let this
woman's words be lost. Good luck.

Raquel Ruiz

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:50 PM, wrote:

> So yesterday I went out and bought a bunch of used tapes and a tape
> recorder for my research. I played the first tape and it really broke my
> heart, an elderly woman( who was in her 80s I'm guessing) was talking about
> her life in the early 20s and through the depression . She was talking about
> her life because she " feared she didn't have much more time". It's sad to
> hear a lost piece if someone's family history just go like that. What should
> I

Alice,

After I downloaded Firefox, I was able to use their new Viewer, and I thought that since Firefox forced me to upgrade my Adobe Flash before it would download, I thought that perhaps that was all that was needed and not a new browser. So, I went back to IE8 and tried to access the new Viewer there, but I still had the same old problems. What other older browser do you have on your computer?

Now that I have the Firefox, I am experiencing strange problems such as the original old MSN Explorer 6 (for dial-up) launching itself in the middle of what I am doing. So now I have three browsers on my computer, and they conflict.

Armando sent me a link to something on Mozilla that hopefully will lead me to correct the problem.

Emilie

> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:30:17 -0700
> From: alicebb@att.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] No Troubles

> A couple of days ago when I started to have troubles with the familysearch I had a friend who works

This sounds really cool! I wish I could make it.

As a founding member of Mariachi Cardenal de Stanford in 1995 I hope my alma
mater makes a presence. I haven’t kept up with the college mariachi scene in
many years, but good luck to Mariachi Cardenal de Stanford if they
participate.

This email reminded me of my favorite T-shirt which said the following:

Harvard, because not everyone can get into Stanford. Ha ha, let’s go
Mariachi Cardenal!

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

> Dear Members of Nuestros Ranchos,
>
>
> See the link for the announcement for the annual San Jose Mariachi
> Festival. http://vivafest.org/
>
> Every year is more exciting than the next. This year there will be
> something new, a Mariachi College bowl. Mariachi Bands from different
> colleges and universities will have a playoff.
>
>
> A Nuestros Ranchos member who's from Jalisco will be here to see her
> grandson play as part of the Mariachi from Harvard University, how exciting
> is

Hola José,

Se encuentra ese matrimonio en la imagen 380
https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-24787-44?cc=187459…
Es interesante ese matrimonio. No lo tenia apuntado y Nicolasa María ha de
ser pariente de mis Moreno de Ortega. Dice que Joseph de Anda y Nicolasa
Maria Moreno fueron dispensados de cuarto grado de consanguinidad el 28 de
marzo de 1675 que significa que eran primos terceros. Hace falta encontrar
la dispensa para saber quienes eran los padres y demás ancestros de esta
pareja.

Armando

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:31 PM, wrote:

> Sigo con la investigación de los Moreno.
> Me encuentro en familysearch un matrimonio para Joseph de Anda y Nicolasa
> Maria Moreno el 28 de abril de 1675 en Lagos de Moreno. Al buscar en el film
> la imagen que se menciona que es el 221404 para Lagos de Moreno, no doy con
> dicho matrimonio. Alguien mas ha encontrado a este matrimonio y sabe de
> donde vienen los dichos Joseph de Anda y Nicolasa María Moreno?
>
> Saludos

Alice,

Yes, those are the exact problems I am having. I have to try over and over again to get the list of records within a parroquia to stand still---that bar keeps sliding back to the left. You explained it perfectly. Also, I had to change the zoom on my screen from 100% to 75% in order to see the right side of their image screen to where the Save, Print, and the two left/right arrows are.

Emilie

> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:17:07 -0700
> From: alicebb@att.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] website troubles?
>
> Now I'm experiencing technical difficulties.
> Under Mexican church records I've gone to two different states and at each when I'm at the parroquia of choice, I'm unable to slide the bottom bar to the right to choose which records I'd like to open. The bar slides automatically back to the left before you can click on a category/date. Is anyone experiencing the same problem? I don't see the feedback tab at the right of the page

Dear Claudia,

I want to thank you so much for you hard work and dedication. I know what it feels like to transribe and index records, it takes work. Honestly I call it grunt work, the stuff lots of people won't do. You have provided so much help. I made a connection to a Flores Alatorre line thanks to the dispensas and many others. I'm a regular at your blog, will continue to be. Once again thanks and congrats!

Daniel Mendez Camino

Many kids were baptized with multiple names, my 2nd great grandmother was baptized Maria Daria Atilana del Refugio Rubio de Zepeda, but she went by Atilana. This is probably your ancestor it would be enough proof for me in my own lines, and I'm very critical. As long you have the same parents, grandparents, location, should be good.

Daniel Mendez Camino

It was common for men to not use their middle names, wich were given at their baptism, when they were adults. Sometimes the "Jose" whould be dropped also, altough not when named Jose Maria. It could be highly unlikely that his parents renamed him after another diseased child; as far as i understand it was "bad" luck. Hope this helps,

A. Bugarin

Hola Bertha:

Gusto en saludarte, y desearte lo mejor siempre.
Yo desde hace varios años estoy investigando mi genealogia por
todas mis ramas y una de ellas
es presisamente la de los Navarro, ya que mi abuelo era Francisco
Villegas Navarro, y siempre cuando
consulto films o libros de los Altos de Jalisco, procuro tomar nota de
todos los Navarro que me encuentro
y tengo bastante "historia" de los Navarro en los Altos, aunque
reconozco que me falta todabia muchisimo
mas por investigar, si gustas mandame tu Genealogia hasta lo mas
antiguo que tengas de tus Navarro para
ver que tengo y si puedo enlasarte con lo que he investigado.

Por cierto, sobre lo del libro de DonMariano Glez Leal, yo si
he podido escribirme via e-mail y ya le
pregunte sobre la continuacion de su obra, solo se publicaron hasta
ahora los 2 primeros tomos, que por
cierto ya se re-editaron recientemente, el tubo, segun he sabido, que
suspender la publicacion de sus
siguientes tomos porque tubo problemas

Hola Bertha,

Que yo sepa, solo se han publicado dos tomos de "Retoños de España en la
Nueva Galicia". El tomo siguiente se iba a publicar el año pasado, pero
quien sabe por que razón ya no se hizo. Hace algunos años traté de ponerme
en contacto con D. Mariano González Leal pero nunca logré comunicarme con
él.

En qué parte de los EE.UU. vives? Tengo muchos años de estar radicado en
los Estados Unidos con mi familia. Yo nací en Guatemala pero tengo raíces
profundas en Aguascalientes, Zacatecas y los Altos de Jalisco, así como
también en Centroamérica, Estados Unidos, Alemania y varias regiones de
España.

Saludos,
Bill Figueroa

Hola Bertha,

Tengo entendido que el tomo IV aun no se ha publicado, a menos que se haya
hecho muy recientemente. Creo que nada mas se han publicado los tomos I y
II, pero quizás esté equivocado.

Saludos,

Ricardo

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de
Boehm-Chronik
Enviado el: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:44 AM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] NAVARRO de Tepatitlan

Hola a Todos

Ojalá que alguno de Uds. pueda ayudarme a conseguir el tomo IV de " Retoños
de España en la Nueva Galicia " en él se encuentra la genealogía de los
Navarro de Tepatitlán. Si alguien lo tiene y no lo quiere vender, tal vez me
pueda hacer el gran favor de escanear las páginas tocantes a esa familia,
que tengo entendido fué una de las primeras 117 que llegaron a Los Altos de
Jalisco a mediados del siglo XVI.

Ya tengo dos años tratando de conseguir ése tomo y no lo encuentro, parece
que

My ancestor had a twin brother who was you Francisco Dionisio Cuates Bugarin Gonzales. Felix cosme Bugarin came from bayona in norther spain where he was a judge and of "pure blood". just letting you know, saludo

Is it necessary to use Firefox as your default browser?  I've tried installing twice w/o using it as my default browser and I don't think it is working, as I'm experiencing the same problem with the FamilySearch site.  

--- On Thu, 9/15/11, gpf13@aol.com wrote:

From: gpf13@aol.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2011, 3:38 AM

I was trying to use Family Search on a computer with Windows XP and IE 7. For all practical purposes it does not work.

I went to google, searched for Firefox, and downloaded the current version. This relatively quick, but depends on your internet connection.

I did the standard installation (essentially just follow the instructions: press the "run" button). Started Firefox, searched for Family Search, and everything worked without any problems.

When you install Firefox, you have the option of importing your IE favorites (or bookmarks), although I didn't do this.

I was up and

HOLA ROBERTO,
Entiendo tu problema, mira yo como lo he hecho es checando cada partida de
bautismo y matrimonio y ver que coincidan los padres, es irte despacito de
generación en generación, checando la coincidencia de los padres, tambien
busca la coincidencia de las fechas, calcula promedio de 20 años entre cada
generación, aunque pueden ser mas o menos, tambien puedes ayudarte buscando
a los hermanos y confirmando que sean del mismo pueblo.

Espero te sirva,

Saludos
Patty

2011/9/15

> Hola foro,
>
> Solicito la ayuda de algun miembro del grupo para evaluar informacion que
> he encontrado sobre mis posibles ancestros (Linea directa Paternal). Tengo
> escasos 2 meses que comence a involucrarme en la busquedad de mis
> ancestros, la poca experiencia que tengo en este tema de la Genealogia me
> hace temer en posibles errores que he cometido a travez de mi busquedad.
> Tengo mas de 30 "snapshots" y los enlaces(links) a actas de bautismo y
> matrimonio (religioso y civil)de quienes

Hello Gustavo,

I have a Juanna Maria Carrillo on my tree from about that period. She married a Pedro Aguirre one of my direct ancestors. They had a daughter and son that I have found so far. The daughter was born in 1806. Does this match any of your information?

Barbara

Gustavo, I research in Jerez but do not have Marcos Carrillo and Petra Bermudez.. Can you post their children to see if I have anything on them.  I believe Jomulco is still part of Jerez.
thank you
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

From: "sr92809@sbcglobal.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:16 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Marcos Carrillo

Hello everyone,

  I have posted on this before but I seem to have hit a
wall. I'm looking for the parents of one of my ancestors,
Marcos Carrillo. His wife was Petra Bermudez and I have found
documents on about seven of their children. None give information on grandparents. I believe he married between
1745-1750 in Jerez, Zac. Most marriage records for those years in Jerez are missing on the familysearch website, so I have not had any luck finding it, if it even exists.
  When reading some records on their chldren I found that
they lived in a place called Ximulco which then belonged
to the Villa de Jerez. I

Emilie, they moved the zoom IN and OUT buttons to the bar menu, where the ROTATE and INVERT buttons are.

Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com
www.sagradamitra.com

Hello Aurora,

Do you have an online tree? Can you send me the links to all of the baptisms
and marriages for these people in Lagos de Moreno? I'll see what I can find.
Have you browsed the Información matrimonial 1773-1774 and 1774-1776 for the
marriage of Joaquín Romo de Vivar and Josefa Camarena?

Armando

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Aurora Romo wrote:

>
> After searching for my maternal grandmother (Crecencia Romo Rodriguez) for
> several years I finally found her. I had been working with wrong birth year
> and birth location. She died when my mother was a very small child. Now I
> would like to continue researching my Romo family surname.
>
> Crecencia Romo was born 1885 in Aguascalientes, daughter of Luz Romo Olmos
> (b. abt 1850 in Aguascalientes) and Maria Del Refugio Rodríguez – siblings
> Higinio Romo Rodríguez and Maria Romo Rodríguez.
> Parents of Luz Romo –
> Ynocencio Romo de Alba and Gumencinda Olmos married July 10, 1839, Aguas.
> Children: Maria Vicenta

Claudia

Thank you for all the hard work! You found an interesting and useful Villalpando dispensation (Jose Miguel Villalpando marrying Francisca Villapando in Asientos) in one of your earlier posts.

They descend from Tomas de Villapando of Leon.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Emily

It is sometimes useful to look at the FHL catalog for details ("film notes") on the films for a specific location. You can get to the catalog from either the old Family Search website, or the current one.

Many times, the film notes are pretty simple (examples from Aguascalientes):

Bautismos 1663-1684

Other times, they will indicate other records:

Bautismos 1616-1662 incluye algunos matrimonios

Sometimes rather complex:

Bautismos de españoles, Libro 12, abr. 1719-dic. 1733 y una partida de mayo 1728 al final -- Libro 34, sep. 1781-mar. 1786 y una de agosto al final -- Libro 41, abr. 1814-mar. 1816 (Incluye partidas de las parroquias de los pueblos de Jesús María y de San Marcos que pertenecen a la Villa de Aguascalientes) [Bill Figueroa posted some comments on this film a couple of years ago here at Nuestros Ranchos.]

The film "titles" as they appear on Family Search's digitized records typically do not give this level of detail, typical is a beginning and end year, with