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Joseph,

Well said; it reflects my thoughts exactly!

Bien dicho y estoy de acuerdo!

Jose Carlos de Leon

Me da mucho gusto que, hasta ahora, muchos miembros de Nuestros Ranchos
apoyen mi propuesta, que ya expresé en mi anterior comunicación, de no
discutir en esta página web otros temas que no sean los genealógicos. Si
alguien desea discutir política que lo haga en otro foro. Gracias por esta
comprensión. Será muy importante que nuestra comunidad rechace discusiones
bizantinas y nos dediquemos a la historia de nuestras familias.

Guillermo Tovar de Teresa

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Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Opinion o Hechos

The nuestrosranchos.org group is dedicated to the study of genealogy of
the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes. This group will not
tolerate ongoing discussions related to other

Yo también quiero agradecer a las personas que han hecho que este proyecto esté disponible en Nuestros Ranchos para ayudarnos en la búsqueda de nuestra Histroria Familiar.

En lo poco que he visto del proyecto, ya me han ayudado bastante. He avanzado en algunas ramas de mi árbol genealógico, y además me he enterado de cosas que no sabía. Las siguientes son algunas de las que me han servido para mi árbol genealógico.

Fichero 1803: 1659-11-15
Espinosa, Felipe Caja: 1 Libro: 3 Foja(s): 244-246v
261. Testamento. Zacatecas, 15 de noviembre 1659. (dice al margen. 2 de marzo 1662 por Ana de Saldaña.(-En 2 de octubre se saco de mandato de juez para Diego Cid de Escobar) Leonor de Saldaña viuda, hija legítima del capitán Juan de Herrera y Catalina de Saldaña, vecinos. Casó con Antonio de Alcaraz. Hijos, Diego de Herrera y Alcaraz, médico, Catalina de Saldaña y Alcaraz, mujer del capitán Pedro de Quijas Escalante, la madre María del Santisímo Sacramento monja profesa en el convento de Regina

Primo Arturo Ramos,

Is the Miguel de Irasoqui y María de Escobedo listed in the below Notary Record the SAME
Miguel de Iracoqui listed as son-in-law of Francisco de Escobedo (b. 1575 and d. 24 Apr 1647)?? If so, then the Maria de Escobedo listed above must be Francisco de Escobedo's daughter.

" Record 505: 1674-07-20
Espinosa, Felipe Box: 2 Book: 7 Page(s): 78-79
117. Obligación. Zacatecas, 20 de julio 1674. Juan de la Torre y María Godona su legítima mujer, en mancomunidad se obligan a pagar 325 pesos en reales por otros tantos recibidos de José de Escobedo, vecino y minero, a Ana de Escobedo y Juana de Irazoqui, hermanas doncellas, vecinas hijas legítimas del regidor Miguel de Irasoqui y María de Escobedo, difuntos. El prestamista es deudor de las citadas hermanas. Es para poner una tienda de menudencias, que era de María Lechuga. fjs (78-79)
- Torre, Juan
- Godona, María
- Escobedo, José
- Escobedo, Ana
- Irazoqui, Juana
- Irazoqui, Miguel
- Escobedo, María
- Lechuga, María

Hi Amelia ,

Sorry to say that I too am stuck with my Alvarados' . I've been trying unsuccessfully to trace my Great great Grandfather Candelario Alvarados tracks .

I have him being married twice in Villa de Santiago , Nuevo Leion for the first time that I know of in the year 1833 to a Maria Concepcion Garcia and ten years later to my Great great Grandmother Quirina Saldivar Gomez in the year 1844 .

I know that just about all the people from Santiago came from Saltillo , Coahuila and before that they came from either Zacatecas or Jalisco . My problem is that I cannot find the conneciton from Zacatecas , Jalisco to Coahuila to Santiago .

At present I don't have Candelarios parents or his second last name . I thought I found him in Saltillo but it turns out that is not correct .

However ! Amelia lets' keep in touch and see where we can end up , OK .

Your possibly primo ,
Welester G. Alvarado > > Hola Welester!> My name is Amelia Macias. I just joint the NR a few days ago and

Welester,

You mentioned that your Alvarados were originally from Zacatecas?

One of my father's cousins married a Magdaleno Alvarado from Moyahua, Zacatecas. He was born on July 22, 1857. Magdaleno's parents were Hurminio Alvarado and Ygnacia Sandoval. Magdaleno died in San Jose, CA on December 7, 1954.

Where in Zacatecas did your Alvarados originate?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 8:27 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] TO: Welester Alvarado

Hola Welester!
My name is Amelia Macias. I just joint the NR a few days ago and have very little data to go on in the search for my father's side of the family. My half mom's side is done thanks to my sister (LDS). I'm looking for the Macias and Alavarado families of Jalpa and Aguascalientes. Here is my connection to the Alvarado-Tostado surnames.

My father, Jose Jesus Tostado Macias' parents were Jose

Hi Paul,

Yes they are. I've had some break throughs this weekend because of online
marriage documents for Nochistlan. Mexico, Catholic Church Records has images
you can browse.

Let me know if you aren't able to find it and I'll provide some more
direction.

Juan Aguayo Munoz

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petronila de Moctezuma and Martin Navarro

Are the "matrimonial investigations of Nochistlan" available on-line (Family
Search.org)?
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petronila de Moctezuma and Martin Navarro

I have recently had the opportunity to look at a copy of Genealogia de
Nochistlan. In the chapter for Martin Navarro and Petronila de

Are the "matrimonial investigations of Nochistlan" available on-line (Family Search.org)?
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petronila de Moctezuma and Martin Navarro

I have recently had the opportunity to look at a copy of Genealogia de Nochistlan. In the chapter for Martin Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma (Capitulo 58) is an extract of the first document that I have become aware of that actually names this couple. For those that are interested in this family, and do not have access to a copy of this book, the extract is as follows.

This is the matrimonial investigation for Bartolome Rodrigues Baxo, whose first and second wives descend from Martin and Petronila, thus he was requesting a dispensation for 4th degree afinity (they are great-great-granddaughters of Martin and

Alonzo de los Ynojos is also in my maternal family line. Who were Feliciana's parents? (I am away from home;consequently, I am unable to search my tree.) This is exciting.
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Contreras in Teocaltiche, Jal.
Sent: Feb 12, 2011 10:51 PM

Does anyone happen to have the record for the 11 Feb 1733 marriage of
Bernardo Contreras and Feliciana Alonzo de los Ynojos in Teocaltiche,
Jalisco?

I think they wont be in Jalostotilan, I think Jalos did not become its own parishuntil around that time you stated. It used to be under the direction of Santa Mariade los Lagos. So you can try there? My best bet since they are altenos they canalmost go anywhere around the all of Los Altos, try checking nearby parishesthat have records earlier!
Daniel
Do you need help with Melchor Manuel's genealogy, im glad to help anytime?

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:59:44 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
>
> Can someone tell me where I might find baptismal records for individuals born in Jalos prior to 1698? I am trying to find a record for Melchor Manuel Peres de Paredes, son of Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Thanks.

Stuart,
I am just guessing, but the 'P' in the greek alphabet is 'Rho' and in some forms of ancient Greek, like those used in Athens and Corinth, was written as 'P' or 'R'. Modern Greek uses 'P', and in the Cyrillic alphabet (e.g. introduced in Russia by St. Cyrill) its wirtten as 'P' but pronounced as 'R' (e.g. initials of soviet republic: CCCP), where the "P" stands for Respublik=Republic . Our 'P' in that alphabet would be 'Pi', like the geometry symbol.

Jaime Alvarado

Here is how I would do it. This method works best if members are
diligent at submitting and/or updating their user profiles to include
their latest data. If you haven't updated your user profiles this would
be a great time to do that.

1) at the top right side of the page click on "Search" with the window
left blank
2) click on Advanced Search
3) Put the surname of interest into the window and click the "advanced
search" button
4) click on "user profiles"

now you should get every member in the group that is doing research on
that name.

let's say You are looking for Garcia's and the area of research is
Teocaltiche

I put in Garcia in the first line and Teocaltiche in the phrase section
of the advanced search and you will get a list of all the results for
Garcia and Teocaltiche so you would need to go from page to page of the
results looking for the results that have both words highlighted in
Yellow (easy to see if its in yellow).

give it a try.

Also you can go to the

Here is how I would do it. This method works best if members are
diligent at submitting and/or updating their user profiles to include
their latest data. If you haven't updated your user profiles this would
be a great time to do that.

1) at the top right side of the page click on "Search" with the window
left blank
2) click on Advanced Search
3) Put the surname of interest into the window and click the "advanced
search" button
4) click on "user profiles"

now you should get every member in the group that is doing research on
that name.

let's say You are looking for Garcia's and the area of research is
Teocaltiche

I put in Garcia in the first line and Teocaltiche in the phrase section
of the advanced search and you will get a list of all the results for
Garcia and Teocaltiche so you would need to go from page to page of the
results looking for the results that have both words highlighted in
Yellow (easy to see if its in yellow).

give it a try.

Also you can go to the

I believe that this would be quite an undertaking (creating new surname lists), while there already is a method of searching for people researching the same surnames. It is in place under the GEDCOM. I believe that there are only a handful of members who have submitted their GEDCOMS compared to the total number of members. Maybe this would be a good time for all members to consider submitting GEDCOMS, even if it is only a partial GEDCOM. I think most of us are using software that will create a GEDCOM for us and if not, there are numerous free programs out there for use. This is one of the advantages of becoming a member, access to other member's research, but to take full advantage of it, there is a give and take. Please consider today the day that you share some research. The GEDCOM search in place on this website is a powerful tool and easy to use, but in order for it to be effective, members need to share.

Raquel,

This gave me an idea. If there were a list of surname groups with each
member being able to join a specific surname group so that each member could
see which other members are researching the same surname it could possibly
help with some with their investigations. Only those that join could see the
others so there wouldn't be anyone included that didn't want to even if they
are researching the surname.

Armando
On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 1:27 PM, wrote:

> I think this question may be for Arturo or Joseph. Is there a way to
> search the surnames other members are investigating, if they are not
> included in the Gedcom resource? (Other than looking up members with that
> surname?) For example, how can I check which other members are also
> investigating a particular surname or, better yet, which members are
> searching for a particular surname in a particular state? This may be
> obvious, I just haven't learned how to do it. Thanks

Hola Jesus o Jose ? Bueno me alegro que nos encontramos. No mas Conozco otra persona que es pariente por lado de (MI abueloAntonio)Hermosillo y era Jose Luis Vazquez el autor de Genealogia de Nochistitlan.
Vi que tienes un ante pasado que se llama Francisco Hermosillo casado con una Jimenez. Quien son los padres de Francisco o la coneccion a Jose Manuel Hermosillo ?
Ronnie Reynoso H.

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: josejime@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:38:03 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] MARTIN RAMIREZ Y FRANCISCA BIBANCO
>
> Hola a todos los compañeros me gustaria saber algo de esta pareja del lado de Martin ramirez ya que del lado de Francisca de Bibanco tengo hasta los abuelos paternos y maternos es una pareja de ayotlan Jalisco casados en 1723, un saludo y mil gracias de antemano

Hola Jose,esta pareja son mis antepasados. Todo lo que tengo es esto pero parece que estoy mal en el lugar donde se casaron. ( Es Ayotlan lo mismo que Ayo el Chico ? )
Matias Ramirez nacio 29 de febrero 1708 en Ayo de Chico hijo de Lucas Ramirez y Maria Francisca.
Francisca Bibanco nacio 11 de enero 1706 hija de Juan de Bibanco y Maria Magdalena de Mendoza.
Aparte de todo no se casi nada de los abuelos de mis antepasados ni eran espanoles/Indios ni rancheros.
Ya tengo 3 anos que no ha ido investigar ,estaba cuidando mis padres ,y se acaba de murir mi papa hace 3 semanas y mi mama 5 meses.
Ya con tiempo voy a poder investigar mas de mis antepasados. Parece que tienes muchos de los mismos antepasados.
Tengo casi los regulares: Padillas ,Reynoso,Magana,Perez,Marquez,Munoz,alvarez(tostado),Escoto,Hermosillo,Portillo,Ayala,Hernandez,Gonzalez , Centeno ect.
Mis gentes vienen de unos ranchos cercas de San Julian y San Miguel el alto.
Buena suerte Pariente
Ronnie Reynoso
r> To: research

Hola Rosi,

Mi padre es de Tamazula de Gordiano es de la familia Mendez de Torres quizas lo ha escuchado. Esta linea me
lleva al Obispado de Michoacan. Lo siento, si es importantisimo buscar con caucion es una lastima poner bastante
trabajo que resulto que es otra familia. Con el tiempo se hace mas facil especialmente cuando alguien
empieza con un lugar no familiarizado. Ojala te puedo ayudar en algo.

Daniel Méndez Camino

once a gedcom area is set up for you (upon request) you can upload a
gedcom but we cannot upload .paf files (the program PAF can however
create a gedcom for you to upload).

joseph

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irbaca@gmail.com wrote:
> how do you send a gedcom in? i use a PAF program is that an
> acceptable format? i also have many names i am researching what is
> the best way to include those?

If you want to upload your GEDCOM to Nuestros Ranchos, go to the GEDCOM section of the site. You will get an email the first time you go there with instructions on how to request a tree in the database to which you can upload your GEDCOM. Basically, you will simply need to send in your username and request to moderator [at] nuestrosranchos [dot] com but you can only do that after you have gone onto that section of the site and gotten the welcome email.

You will then have a blank tree to which you can upload a GEDCOM.

We can't see each others' gedcom files so it is my understanding it is of no
use to upload one. However I don't know how the TNG tab works -
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/tng What can be done is save the PAF to
RTF and upload that to your folder. Instructions can be found at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15482 Apart from that have you
uploaded the gedcom in .ged format to all of the free genealogy websites
such as www.geneanet.org (the one I recommend the most and quite a few
NuestrosRanchos members use) www.miparentela.com (this is owned by
myheritage but w/o a limitation on the number of people in the tree. (Many
NuestrosRanchos members also use this one) www.genoom.com (which most of my
relatives use) and rootsweb? Ancestry.com is free for two weeks which you
can cancel as soon as you upload your info and still add to it afterwards
for free. Most of the above websites allow for uploading and downloading
.ged files and creating ancestral and descendant reports in PDF format

David

If this is what you are looking for, it is posted in the Files area of Nuestros Ranchos at

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15162

It only covers the 1600s. There is some information on how the file is put together, and what some of the limitations are. I have been working on a follow-up file to cover the early 1700s, but it is not complete.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Hi George:

Miguel is right about the Valderrama part. We still need to prove it just in case,
like genealogy its myth versus documentable proof. I can say its probably the right family
just being the Valderrama of Lagos de Moreno. Is there anything that says Joseph and
Nicolas were half brothers. Just a note they can be full brothers and still have different last
names. Nicolas was probably named after his great grandfather. A great example would
be the Guerra Valdez family. Every now and then you'll find two brothers although the same parents
use different surnames for various reasons. Surnames were important in colonial times especially
when it involved a title of nobility o Mayorazgo lots of exmaples in Mexico City.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Gorge:
Just a suggestion: Maybe you should consider the father of Nicolas and Jose could be a son of Matias Valderrama and Juana Vazquez Retamosa, married on February 27, 1634 in Lagos. Juana Vazquez Retamosa was the daughter of Mateo Macias Valadez y Vazquez Retamosa and his wife Catalina Lopez de Nava y Guerra

Miguel Beltran

Hola Amigos,

My name is Beverly Ewald. I am a new member, but I'm "old." I have been
doing genealogy for at least 60 years, but every day I learn something new.

I'm doing research on these surnames: Almaguer, Garcia, Gonzales, Medina,
Mendoza, Muños, Sanchez, Sotomayor, Varrio, Zapata.

I'm researching these areas: Asientos, Mesillas, Rincon de Romos, Sagrario,
Tuiguirragui, Aguascalientes.

See my file at:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19189

My Spanish skills are minimal. I speak and read solamente poquito. I was
born and raised in San Antonio, Texas, and now live about 30 miles north of
that city in the Texas Hill Country. I drive into San Antonio five days a
week to my job at the Alamo. I work in the Library of the Daughters of the
Republic of Texas, which is on the Alamo grounds. It is a perfect job for a
researcher--lots of materials on Texas History and many old Mexican/Spanish
documents. Our catalog is online. Look at our webpage:
http://www.drtl

Raquel:

Zacatecas always seem to be sticky research in my case. Records are good up to 1642 or so. For
the city of Zacatecas. From then until the early 1800s they were burned by a priest during the
Cristero war, it's so painful to know we could have learned so much from these records but
unfortunately they are gone. I don't even want to think if any pre 1600s records were also burned.
I know if they existed my research would benefit greatly. Needless to say they could have gone to
nearby places if your luck say maybe Fresnillo or Jerez to baptize, check nearby places. Many nothern
families were in the mining industry causing this great travel from Zacatecas to Durango for example.

This Prado line could take you to Aguascalientes these Guzman del Prado (de Guzman y Prado), couple
lines left for the city of Zacatecas.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Elvira,

This is not a surname that's common in Nochistlan. Nochistlan is at the border
with Jalisco, it borders the region considered to be Los Altos de Jalisco such
as Teocaltiche, Tepatitlan, Yahualica, Mexticacan, Cuquio etc.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca.

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Sent: Fri, February 4, 2011 4:40:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Barron Last Name

Alicia de San Jose, Ca.

Since you are doing research in Zac. Have you run into the last name Barron in
the 1700's?. I am looking for a Jose Monico Barron who was born there about
1761. Also looking for a Justa Rufina Candelaria Paredes born abt 1762-63. Both
apparently born in San Juan de Ahorcados, Zac.

I would appreciate a reply.

Elvira in ELP

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Randy,
I've encountered similar situations where siblings are baptized -or appear to have been baptized- in different neighboring localities. Some of the explanations are as follows: 1) The parish kept the records, and the name of the church where the children were actually baptized was recorded at margin. Often that information was not entered into LDS record, and only the name of the parish appears. Upon inspection of the actual image, the actual location of ceremony (baptism, marriage, etc.) can be verified. 2) Priest absence at a church (for multiple reasons). Accordingly, ceremonies had to be conducted temporarily in the neighboring town. Upon examination of the church books you would sometimes reference of such temporary absence and transfer of records. 3) People would choose to christen their children at different churches, for multiple reasons, including respective family ties of the father or the mother to the town where their corresponding families resided. Clues to this c

It is within the realm of possiblities. While I am no expert, here are my
thoughts: Hopefully, someone already has these individuals in their family
tree and already have information, or have ready access to it, Are both
parents from San Juan de Los Lagos? Perhaps one is from San Diego de
Alejandria, or you might be able to locate siblings of theirs there, to
strengthen your hunch. Have you checked whether their is a Juan Antonio De
Anda and a Gerturdis Padilla marriage in San Diego?. But it is best to look
at the films to see what else you can learn. They may indicate grandparents,
where the parents are from, or have padrinos that are the same or ones you
know are siblings of the parents. I don't know when the Jalisco films will
be available online, but hopefully, soon!

Christopher Barrios de Leon

* Descendencia de Pedro de Sardaneta, en las minas de Guanajuato (México) (Ricardo Ortega y Pérez Gallardo, Historia genealógica de las familias más antiguas de México, Tomo I, Marquesado de San Juan de Rayas):
I. Pedro Pérez de Sardaneta y Legaspi (Arenaza, Valle de Lenitz, Guipuzcoa, 1568), probable hermano de Ana de Sardaneta e hijo de Martín Pérez de Sardaneta (ver linaje principal), Alcalde de Arechavaleta (1636), Guipuzcoa, y Señor de la Casa de Sardaneta en la anteiglesia de Arenaza, Valle de Lenitz, Guipuzcoa, casó con María de Arteaga y Lorbizu y tuvieron por hijo a
II. Pedro de Sardaneta y Arteaga, que casó con Antonia de Ruteaga (hija de Francisco de Ruteaga e Isabel de Adriansen) y tuvieron por hijo a
III. Antonio de Sardaneta y Legaspi Ruteaga, que casó con Ana Muñoz del Castillo (hija de Clemente Muñóz del Castillo y de la Vega y Juana de Busto y Argüello; nieta de Roque Muñóz del Castillo y Ana de la Vega, Alonso de Busto e Isabel de

HI Patricia Haro; Have you ever searched in the Cedulario Heraldico de Conquistadores de la Nueva Espana. This book lists all the persons who were awarded a Coat of Arms by the Spanish crown during the conquest of Mexico. Perhaps you will find your ancestors arms there. Also the Gary Felix Genealogy website has a list of the Coat of Arms awarded during the conquest. Good Luck. Jose Michel

A usted le puede entrar la línea de los Marqueses de San Clemente, en Guanajuato, por lo Alamán. Es mejor que San Juan de Rayas.

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De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de pattyharo@gmail.com
Enviado el: Viernes, 23 de Julio de 2010 05:38 a.m.
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Escudo de Armas

Hola,
Alguien sabe o me podra ayudar a encontrar el escudo de armas (si es que existe) de la familia Castelazo?? Por favor

Juan Bautista Castelazo Diaz se caso en Guanajuato el 2 de junio de 1869 con Maria Asuncin Alaman (Nieta de Jose Mariano Sardaneta II Marques de Rayas), tuvieron varios hijos entre ellos Juan Bautista Castelazo Alamn que fu Gobernador de Guanajuato y Maria Castelazo Alaman mi bisabuela.

La leyenda familiar cuenta que el padre de Juan Bautista Castelazo, Jos Rodrigo Castelazo fue nombrado visconde de Regla pero nunca uso su titulo.

Muchas

HE estudiado el Marquesado de Rayas pero no tanto de los Castelazo, no

se sobre el dicho Visconde de Regla, pero interesantemente los Conde

de Regla son los Romero de Torreros, tengo duda que habia un Visconde

de Regla. Espero en llegada un libro Titulos de Castilla en Indias, que compre

ahi debe decir claramente si habia un Vizconde de Regla. No sabia que eras

de los Sardeneta. Mis Caminos eran nobliarios en Mexico. Tambien, que notado

sus vidas son poca mas encerradas en comparasion de los de Europa. Pienso

que don Mariano Gonzalez Leal ha estudiado bastante sobre estas familias.

Voy a ver que puedo encontrar, si tengo el linaje de los Sardeneta si lo

necesitas, pero pienso que deben tener esa linea entacto, no? Los Castelazos

eran muy gran en la politica en la Ciudad de MExico y en Guanajuato, ya que eran

vecinos de ahi donde tuvieron oficios.

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: pattyharo@gmail.com
> Date: Fri

I did a quick look in the IGI for the names you mentioned, with rather limited results.

I did not find a marriage record. I tried Leandro Esparza with both Maria Esparza (this would find "Maria Benita") and Benita Esparza without success.

Is Maria Benita's surname Esparza? I did not find any children for Leandro Esparza and Maria Benita Esparza, although there is one child of a Leandro Esparza and Maria Michaela Esparza in 1827, in Aguascalientes. I found none in Zacatecas.

In searching the new Family Search website I find that Leandro Esparza and Michaela Esparza had several children in Aguascalientes in the 1820s and 1830s. None in Zacatecas.

I looked at one of Leandro and Michaela's children's baptismal records from 1822, which names the grandparents Jose Mara Esparza and Ysidra Torres (paternal) and Domingo Esparza and Maria Pasqual (no last name) (maternal).

If Leandro was the majordomo in the 1860s, this suggests to me that he was older at that point. Thus marrying and