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Caroline Sanders

I was on the site two days ago and I received the same message.

Most sites conduct their maintenance in the late hours so not to disterb traffic on the site. Perhaps it is a much larger issue at hand.

Antonio Orellana
I dont know but i also got that message saying some sort of clean up...

According to this article, Leobardo Reynoso's last name was Gutierrez, not Estrada and he was born in Juchipila, Zacatecas on 18 January 1902, son of Brigido Reynoso and Maria Gutierrez.

http://www.oem.com.mx/esto/notas/n1060197.htm

That would make him this person:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordResults&s…

There is then a Brigido Reynoso born in Zacatecas in 1882, son of Santos Reynoso and Aurelia Rodriguez, who is a pretty good candidate for being his father.

Roxanneocampo...there is a list of Ynacio &  Eugenia Ocampos' family, filed by a Ms Sweet, in Family search.org...Raul Luna

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, roxanneocampo@sbcglobal.net wrote:

From: roxanneocampo@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Films for Juchipila, Zac.
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 7:59 PM

The Family History library catalog does not list church records for Juchipila, Zacatecas prior to 1814.  I'm looking for the record of Ygnacio Ocampo baptized in Moyahua or Contitlan abt. 1764 (married to Eugenia Carrillo).

How would I locate these records?  Thanks for any information, Roxanne Ocampo

I have Jose Fernando's baptism on 10 Jun 1782 in Jalos. So likely Santiago and Maria married prior to 1782.I also have Joaquin Timoteo baptized 29 Aug 1779 in Jalos and Maria Regina on 13 Sep 1795 also in Jalos.On Fernando's record the mother is listed as Maria Vitala Jimenez de Castro while the other just show asMaria Jimenez de Castro. I also have Maria Valentina de la Santisima Trinidad baptized 18 Feb 1793 in San Juande los Lagos Maybe this has a lead?
Daniel

> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 18:07:23 +0000
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reynoso brickwall
>
> Now that you mention the reynoso family, you have reminded me That I have a semi brickwall. Santiago reynoso married to maria jimenez de castro. Santiago and maria were married most likely before 1795 in jalos or san juan de los lagos area. He lived in jalos where he was one of the towns administrators. My cousin descends from his son fernando.
> I said semi

This seems to be a interesting but rare book. Please let us know if you
locate a copy. Meanwhile, next time I just happen to be at the Library of
Congress.....

Buenas Tardes:

Tengo como antepasado a Dolores Zorrilla, que nació hacia 1831 en la Hacienda del Salto, Jalisco, Hija de Luis Zorrilla y Regina Ybañez. Tiene alguien datos de esta familia, de los ancestros de Luis y Regina?

SALUDOS.

Antonio

Very interesting. Is this the book?

http://openlibrary.org/b/OL4979177M/Haciendas_de_Jalisco_y_aleda%C3%B1o…

Haciendas of Jalisco? There are a lot of Haciendas and Ex-Haciendas in our region of Northern Jalisco. I know that El Conde owned several including the one called, San Mateo of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico.

http://www.ganadobravo.com/SanMateo_Historia.htm
http://valparaisozac.webcindario.com/personajes_ilustres/conde_fernando…

The descendantes of El Conde are still there and have paintings of El Conde that they lended to the Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico. Museum. On a our community website of valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico there was an excellent video documentary of a lot of the Haciendas en the Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico area. I will try to find that video.

Found some online links of pictures of Haciendas in Jalisco:

http://www.skyscraperlife.com/city-versus-city/18784-vs-de-haciendas-es…

http:/

Hi Susan,

Not sure where to purchase the book (besides the usual used booksellers like
abebooks.com) but according to WorldCat there are a few libraries in
southern California that own this book:

http://www.worldcat.org/title/haciendas-de-jalisco-y-aledanos-1506-1821…

Depending on its availability you could request it via your local library's
interlibrary loan.

2010/4/19 Susan and Joe Cadena

> Has anyone seen – or is anyone in possession of – a copy of the book by
> Ricardo Lancaster-Jones called “Haciendas de Jalisco y aledaños, 1506-1821?
> I found it listed as being in the Mormon library, but I cannot seem to find
> any place that sells the book. It was published 1974 in Guadalajara. It is
> said to narrate the history of the haciendas in Jalisco from their origins
> in New Galicia. I’m wondering if it names specific haciendas and their
> owners…..
>
>
>
> Susan
>
> Reno/Nevada
>

Where is the birth record from? Only a few Mexican states are viewable
particularly in the Northern part Mexico.If you say which state that
would be helpful.

Daniel Briones

Sent from my iPhone

On May 5, 2010, at 5:28 AM, mendozafowler@yahoo.com wrote:

> Hello, I would like to get information on my g-g-grandfather's
> baptismal record. I found him under the name of Pablo Hernandez
> Sustaita. The date of his baptism shows as Feb. 6, 1851. His parents
> were Pedro Hernandez and Clara Sustaita. I would like to know if
> this record is avaliable online and if so, how do I view it? I have
> a source film # 710727. Will I need to request this film from an LDS
> center? Any information would be most appreciated. I apologize, but
> I am still a genealogy novice. Maria

Maria, it would help to know the city (location) where the marriages took place.
Thanks.  Esther Jordan Lopez

On May 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM maria.cortes@trin.net wrote:

> Does anyone have any of the following films available?
>
>
> Batch # M602507
> Serial # 0640139  Marriage record  1878
>
> Batch # M602505
> Serial # 640137 Marriage record  1822
>
> Batch # M608934
> Serial # 644414 Marriage record  1840
>
>
> Thanks

Please check the films section of the Nuestros Ranchos website. It should list any members who have films on permanent loan.

Hello

I found one Catarino Valencia Married witn Anastasia Gutierrez in 7 feb 1866 tepatitlan maybe this Catarino can be your ancestor had Susana Valencia batch C603723 tepatitlan Jalisco film 0218468 1872-1874 , Andrea Valencia Gutierrez (4 nov 1883 in Tototlan film 280815).. you can see the numbers in the pilot site of familysearch

Catarino Valencia who is married with Anastasia is son of Jose Maria Valencia and Manuela Arias and Anastasia is daughter of Miguel Arias y Trinidad Padilla M00657-2 film218528

tepatitlan..

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#surname=villa%20v…

I think is a Clue (Tototlan) Could be.."" beause if this Catarino is your relative they had chidren in this town also tepatitlan.. you will see some both surnames in the same town many Villas.. Catarino Valencia y Anastasia had a José Serapio Valencia Gutierrez 06 sep 1874 C603723 film 218468 he married Refugio Hernandez and had a Dorotea

I found two more children by Roque and Silvestra, Feliciana married 1853 in Tepic, Nayarit, and Petronilo married 1857 in Tepic as well, plus Alejandra Escatel, daughter of Petronilo, christened 1875 in Tepic. So Nayarit might be another place to look for family with information. It also seems Silvestra remarried in 1838 Bolaños.

Encontre otros dos hijos de Roque y Silvestra, Feliciana casada en 1853 en Tepic, Nayarit, y Petronilo casado en 1857 en Tepic también, además de Alejandra Escatel, hija de Petronilo, bautizada en 1875 en Tepic. Tal vez Nayarit sea otro lugar dónde buscar familia con información. Al parecer, Silvestra se casó de nuevo en 1838 en Bolaños.

Martin, It looks like there is a large amount of Escatel
and Losano concentration in the area of Bolaños, Jalisco, México, where Roque
Escatel and María Muñoz Silbestra where married on 6 August
1832
. You might want to start there and work your way out to localities in the
vicinity or find the marriage of Petra Escatel (a sister of Roque) and Luis
Flores, possibly in San Pedro Apostol, Nombre De Dios, Durango, México,
Where a child of theirs was christened. The first suggestion seems to be a
more probable area to search.

Martin, parece que hay una gran cantidad de Escatel y Losano concentrados en
la zona de Bolaños, Jalisco, México, donde Roque Escatel y María Muñoz
Silbestra se casaron el 6 de agosto 1832. Es posible que desee empezar por
ahí y busque en localidades en las cercanías o el matrimonio de Petra
Escatel (una hermana de Roque) y Luis Flores, posiblemente en San Pedro
Apóstol, Nombre de Dios, Durango, México, donde un niño de ellos fue
bautizado. La primera sugerencia

Martin:

Simple lists of names without locations or dates are not very useful for genealogical purposes. If you can provide more complete information, perhaps other members with knowledge of the specific locations in question can provide some guidance.

Gerry:

As Armando mentions, names without dates or place names are not very useful in genealogy. Please provide the group dates, even if they are approximate and place names, even if they are only suspected. Many leads and certainly useful sources of information are location-specific and others who may be researching the same towns where your grandparents were from can guide you even if they are not related to you.

Good luck.

Any birth and marriage dates that you can give us will be very helpful. Also names and dates of brothers and sisters of your grandparents and greatgrandparents. Have you done any searching at the following website? http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home

Armando

Donna Murphy

SSDI (Social Security Death Index) shows a Joe Rodriguez born Sept 2, 1888, died Sept 1979, last residence was Garden City, Finney, Kansas. If this is the right person, you can write for a copy of his Social Security application. The charge is $27 if you have the Social Security number (which is on the website - ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com). Once you find his name, click on the "SS-5 letter" next to the name and it will create a letter with everything filled in, you just need to print it and send in the money. I've had a couple done and it takes 4-8 weeks.

Social Security numbers were issued to citizens AND non citizens - you needed a number in order to get a job.

Have you looked for their border crossings into the United States? There might be information as to the last place of residence, which might indicate the locality where they were married and or had children. The record should indicate age, place of birth, traveling companions, who they are to going to meet in the USA and, where they are traveling too, etc. You might want to look if you have not done so previously. He might have military records for World War One (don't discard that possibility). The 1920 census should indicate when they entered the United States for the first time; look for the border crossing in the indicated year as well as other crossings.

Good luck!

Saludos desde Lago Salado (Salt Lake City, UT)
Eduardo H Seoane
EduardoHSeoane@gmail.com

I forgot Labs is offline right now, Salt Lake is updating new records,Version 2.0 will be released sometime this week.
Daniel

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: jessgallardo@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:02:43 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Research- Rodriguez family
>
> I am new to this site, and am so excited to become a part of it! I have been researching my family history since December 2008. I have completed alot on my side of the family, but have come to a brick wall in researching my husbands family.
>
> Jose R Rodriguez was born September 2, 1888. my research up to now states that he was born in Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Mexico. I do not know who his parents were. In 1912, he married Maria Luna b. May 10, 1891 in Mexico. They immigrated to the US between 1912 and 1920, as they are on the 1920 Census in Kansas. Jose died on September 17, 1979 in Deerfield, Kansas. Maria died November 17, 1956 in Lakin, Kansas.
>
> This is all the info i have

Welcome Jesse, this is good, one of my areas of expertise is Calvillo.You might want to look for your ancestor's baptismal record you can goto www.familysearchlabs.org
I'm also related to the Gallardo family, there is so much history. The SpanishGallardo were important in the history of Aguascalientes and nearby statesof Jalisco and Guanajuato, the average alteno will at least have one connectionto the Gallardo.
Daniel Mendez Camino

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: jessgallardo@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:02:43 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Research- Rodriguez family
>
> I am new to this site, and am so excited to become a part of it! I have been researching my family history since December 2008. I have completed alot on my side of the family, but have come to a brick wall in researching my husbands family.
>
> Jose R Rodriguez was born September 2, 1888. my research up to now states that he was born in Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Mexico. I do not

point well taken! I was told that Indian raids on small ranchos were not unusual in that time period. I'm sure there were always two sides to any story, a shame we don't have the details and only the results. I did notice when I was in Jerez in 2003 the Yndios were invisible people who the locals seemed to look through.  They dressed differently, spoke their own language and lived in their own town, I did not ask where that was, wish I had.  I do have photos of the Jerez Yndios in the album section taken on that trip.

Linda in Marietta, Ga

________________________________
From: "Miramontes, Daniel R"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 7:51:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 51, Issue 25

Don't take this the wrong way, but maybe the indians weren't "uprising"
when they killed your great-grandfathers. Maybe the indians were just
defending themselves against an uprising and they were killed as a
result of it.

Searching for my father's family in Jalpa. Surnames: Macias, Tostado, Luna, Alvarado and Marin. Thanks!

Hello Rubén! Im Daniel Camino were from Huanusco right next door to Jalpa, Did you know that Jalpa use to be part of Huanusco? (Thats what I heard) Anyway, you might have heard of us the Camino family who owns or at least use to the Hacienda La Luz all the on eastern Huanusco and extends into Aguascalientes? I might be able to help with some families you search for namely, Flores, Rentería, I wonder if your related to the same Hernández who came from Jalpa to La Luz, it's possible. As may know Huanuscans and Jalpans intermarry extensively making Los Altos seem normal, we have nephews and aunts marry, cousins and 1st cousins, 2nd, 3rd, uncle and nieces. Especially in La Luz we have a pop of abt 340 and everyone is related somehow. We started out with 7 families and for the next 200 years we would only marry into these families. They were the quote in quote "pure spanish blood", many times we have been confused and can totally pass for Anglos (i.e. from England or ancestry) I dont say

Daniel:

Segun informacion publicada en el libro "El señor de la Misericordia de Encarnacion de Diaz" de Rodolfo H Hernandez Quezada, Cronista de la ciudad que cita como fuente "comunicacion personal con Mariano Gonzalez-Leal",dice que Alonso Macias Valadez y Maria Vazquez Retamosa eran originarios de Villanueva de Balcarrota, Badajoz, Extremadura, España.

Miguel Beltran

Daniel,

I hope that the following is of at least some peripheral assistance in this searh.

Family History Library Film 1553960 (Batch F867345) indicates that my ancestor Nicolas Aceves Valadez (born about 1557 in Lagos de Moreno) married Leonor Retamosa (born about 1561 in Lagos de Moreno) about 1582 in Lagos de Moreno and had at least the following 5 offspring:

- Leonor Retamosa, born about 1583 in Lagos de Moreno.
- Gaspar Macias, boprn about 1587 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.
- Mateo Macias Valadez, born about 1589 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes (and died 26 July 1662).
- Felipe Macias Valadez, born about 1593 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.
- Alonso Macias Valadez, born about 1595 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes (and died 27 January 1645).

Saludos,

Efrain Conrique

-----Original Message-----
>From: mendezdelcamino@live.com
>Sent: Apr 3, 2010 9:29 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Vasquez Retamosa
>
>Hi Group, Im

Daniel,

I hope that the following is at least of some peripheral assistance to you in this searh.

Family History Library Film 1553960 (Batch F867345) indicates that my ancestor Nicolas Macias Valadez (born about 1557 in Lagos de Moreno) married Leonor de Retamosa (born about 1561 in Lagos de Moreno) about 1582 in Lagos de Moreno, and had at least the following 5 offspring:

- Leonor Retamosa, born about 1583 in Lagos de Moreno.
- Gaspar Macias, born about 1587 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.
- Mateo Macias Valadez, born about 1589 in Aguascalientes (and died28 July 1662).
- Felipe Macias Valadez, born about 1593 in Aguas; and,
- Alonso Macias Valadez, born about 1595 in Aguas (and died 27 January 1645).

Saludos,

Efrain Conrique

-----Original Message-----
>From: mendezdelcamino@live.com
>Sent: Apr 3, 2010 9:29 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Vasquez Retamosa
>
>Hi Group, Im studying the Vasquez Retamosa family and am stuck on who is

Hi Annette,

I'm not sure if this would make any sense in your research, especially since you say that you found this word in lieu of a birth date. This term has been used to say "thank you" rather than saying "Gracias". It is widely used to date in Spain.

Amy,
I copied information for you that you can order from SLC through an FHC.  The
one about deaths for 1919 is at the very end.  Hope this helps.
-Esther Jordan Lopez
 
Title
Registros parroquiales, 1747-1925
Authors
Iglesia Católica. Santa María Mecatabasco (Villa del Refugio, Zacatecas) (Main
Author)
Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia de Villa del Refugio.
Incluye registros de Huanusco y El Plateado, este último denominado actualmente
General Joaquín Amaro.
Algunos tomos incluyen índice.
Villa del Refugio se denomina actualmente Tabasco.
Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages, marriage petitions and
deaths from Tabasco, formerly known as Villa del Refugio, Zacatecas, Mexico.
Some books include index.
Includes records from Plateado and Huanusco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
Subjects
México, Zacatecas, Tabasco - Church records
México, Zacatecas, Huanusco - Church records
México, Zacatecas, General Joaquín Amaro - Church records
Format
Manuscript (On

Thank you for one of the most resourceful articles (with countless attachments) that I have seen in a long time.
Eloise

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, Apr 24, 2010 6:22 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fwd: SOMOS PRIMOS May 2010 125th Online Issue

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Subject: SOMOS PRIMOS May 2010 125th Online Issue
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:04:31 EDT
From: Somosprimos@aol.com
To: Somosprimos@aol.com

Click here: Somos Primos
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2010/spmay10/spmay10.htm

Dear Primos and Friends:

So much is happening currently pertaining to our history and heritage that, I've had to scrunch down quite a few articles. You'll find considerable information on Texas history. The issue is whether elementary and secondary textbooks, will include with accuracy and fairness, the Hispanic historic presence in U.S. history. On Sunday May 2 at 2-4 pm on the steps of theTexas State capitol

Hi i am Gabrielle on my husbands fathers side his great great granmother was named Alvina Villagrana i am wondering if she is a sister to your felix. Do you know how many family member their is and who his parents were. thank you gabrielle

I do not have the surname Villagran in my great-grandfather's line but I can check again, as his family was living in Zacatecas, Zacatecas at that same time period.

To answer your question, as opposed to what the first reply you got here was, it could very well be a possibility you have a foriegn ancestor. Zacatecas was in the middle of both the Mexican Civil War, also known as the Guerra Reforma, as well as the French Intervention. Aside from French soldiers, you had a whole bunch of foriegners associated with the French Foriegn Legion, as well as the Austrian Legion which was composed of men from all over the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Emperor Maximillian wanted a strong core of soldiers for his army once the French left, so he especially wanted bachelors from his native homeland to come and marry into Mexican families, which some subsequently did. Even the French commander, Marshal Bazaine married into the Mexican aristocracy.

Also, as another point, sure many Spaniards may be

Hello Alexis, the genealogist Mariano Leal and many others, including a late uncle of mine, state that it is a myth that we are French. I also believe it is a myth. You can read Mariano's LOS+MITOS+SEFARDITA+Y+FRANCES at http://genealogia-mexico-occidente.googlegroups.com/web/LOS+MITOS+SEFAR…
Also, we look Caucasian because we are Caucasian from our Spanish ancestry. During the Last Glacial Maximum the Iberian Peninsula was a refuge for Europeans. Some of the descendants stayed and others moved on. They left the R1b DNA marker which is still prevalent in Spain. Later in time as Europe warmed and spread so did the people. Some returning to Spain including the east German romanized Catholoc Visigoths who invaded Iberia and established a kingdom. Many names and toponyms come from them such as Ricardo (Reccared) and Rodrigo

I have looked at several of the 'ordenes' films and found them to be somewhat disorganized. The years overlap so you have to search several films to cover the year in question. I have found no pedigree charts but instead many loose documents associated with the priest. At least the documents for individual priests are filmed together. They include documentation from various parishes and government authorities concerning birth, baptism, confirmation, seminary records, etc. Although I found no charts, the documents do show parents and locations and can be very useful. Good luck.

Omar Codina
Austin, Texas

irbaca@gmail.com wrote:

> i was told that a priest has to submit a pedigree chart to the
vatican when he enters the priesthood. if that is true can you request
a copy of that pedigree chart?

I don't know exactly what is on these films but if you decide to order
one PLEASE give us a full report on the information found on them. I
would love to find out exactly who the Priest name Cipriano Puente was
in the Huejcar area of Jalisco in the late 1800's. Have a look and get
back to us:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetail…

Title
Documentos eclesiásticos, 1604-1898

Authors
Iglesia Católica. Diócesis de Guadalajara (México) (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra en Guadalajara.
Ordenes de los ingresos al sacerdocio.
Documents regarding ordinations to the priesthood within the Roman
Catholic Diocese of Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.

Subjects
México, Jalisco - Church records
México