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Hola a todos.. de casualidad alguien tendrá los padres de ambos: Nestor Vicente Enriquez casado con Juana Gomez casados el 9 jun 1779 en Tepatitlan batch M603727 film
0218518? gracias Lety R

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Nochistlan didn't become Nochistlan de Mejia until the 1900's and thus it's one and the same Nochistlan, unless you're referrring to Nochistlan in Oaxaca.

Alicia

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Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 9:09:42 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan, Zac. and Nochistlan de Mejia, Zac.?

When gathering LDS records is it assumed that when they "Nochistlan, Zac." they mean Nochistlan de Mejia, Zac. or do they mean the smaller town to the North East called simply Nochistlan. Or perhaps this is an entirely different place than two I am considering?
Thanks

Yes, they are the same, Nochistlan de Mejia is the complete name, hence why onlythe Registro Civil (Government use it) and the Parish (church) simplycall it Parroquia de Nochistlan.
Daniel

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: elgrupoalegre@hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:09:42 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan, Zac. and Nochistlan de Mejia, Zac.?
>
> When gathering LDS records is it assumed that when they "Nochistlan, Zac." they mean Nochistlan de Mejia, Zac. or do they mean the smaller town to the North East called simply Nochistlan. Or perhaps this is an entirely different place than two I am considering?
> Thanks

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HI Paul, I have studied the Lopez de la Serda, this is what I have, Geronimo Lopez de la Serda was married twice, firstly to Ana de Lozanoand then to Fabiana de Luevana on 9 August 1682 in Aguascalientes
Heres a quick sumary of the record:
"En la Villa de Aguascalientes en nueve dias del mes de agosotode 1682.....Geronimo Lopez biudo de Ana Lozano....vecino delpueblo de Teocaltiche, con permiso de su parroche? AntonioVillegas con Fabiana de Luevano, esp. hixa lexitima de Juande Luevano, ya difunto y Maria de Alvarado.
It appears Geronimo's parents are not listed because he was widowedand usually the priest would only list the parents on the first marriage.We need to find Ana's record with Geronimo.
I figure he is a son of Juan Lopez de la Serda and Maria de Vielmabut we need evidence, it does appear all the early Serdas come fromJuan who was a son of Luis Lopez de la Serda and Melchora de los Reyes.
Regards,Daniel

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Attn Deena Ortiz

My name is Juan Ramón Alvarez. I am interested in attending the meeting in Cucamonga.

For your information, I will have with me at least 20 books "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" from Doctor Mariano González Leal for any body interested in buying it.

Thank you

Juan Ramón Alvarez
(424) 477-4485 

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Possible Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society Conference in LA

I live in Rancho Cucamonga, which is about 60 miles east of L.A. and is
right next to the Ontario International Airport (ONT).  The ONT is much more
easily accessible than LAX.  Rancho Cucamonga is also central to all of
southern California.  There are a few hotels in the city, all of which are
very nice, but the one I work with for the education seminars I host charges
a discounted rate of $79 plus taxes per night; it is six miles from the ONT
and

Antonio

I wonder if the name "Nueva Galicia" (Jalisco) has something to do with the name of "Galicia" of Spain?

The history of Galicia, Spain is interesting because it is suppose to have Celtic Influence during ancient times.

Hi Rose, could you talk about the book on the Romo-Guerra? I notice there is valuable informationbut have not been able to order the microfilm yet. How did you come across a copy of this book?Is Mariano stating that ALonso Lorenzo Guerra was Guerra-Romo de Vivar?
Regards,Daniel

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> From: rosehardy@hotmail.com
> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 06:22:47 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Interlibrary loan and Nueva Galicia books
>
> Seeing my e-mail inbox fill up with members not sure if they should purchase a book or inquiring to its content.....I have a suggestion.
>
> Take advantage of your local library. Many, many moons ago I borrowed Mariano Gonzalez Leal's book "Retoños De España En La Nueva Galicia" through interlibrary loan. In fact it was one of the first books I saw regarding Nueva Galicia. Since then I have used interlibrary loan when trying to find books out of print. I've copied what I needed and have never been disappointed.
>
> In

Paul,

I've identified 10 children for this couple. They were all baptized at "Parroquia de la Asuncion de Aguascalientes" except for one (Juana) which seems to be missing in the books. Here is the information I have in my database:

01. Juana, who married Tomas Lopez de la Cerda 25 Jun 1695 in Aguascalientes. She was buried 28 Jan 1734 also in Aguascalientes.
02. Isabel, baptized 03 Aug 1665.
03. Theresa, bapt. 5 Nov 1666.
04. Anna, bapt. 12 Jun 1668.
05. Ines, bapt. 22 Dec 1669.
06. Pedro ("Po"), bapt. 11 Feb 1674. He was buried 13 Feb 1674.
07. Manuel, bapt. 29 Aug 1675.
08. Joseph, bapt. 03 Apr 1679.
09. Onofre, bapt. 21 Feb 1683.
10. Manuel (second with that name) bapt. 03 Aug 1692.

I don't know which children reached adulthood except for Juana, but the first Manuel (b.1675) probably died young, and Pedro died a few days after he was born. Two of these children, Isabel and Manuel, appear in the records as "mestizos" and one, Pedro, as "morisco". I have no other

Hi Paul, I have this couple in my records, I have found a total of 11 kids. Iwas once told all the DE Soto descend from this couplle in our region of interest.But I was confused the latest Soto I have is Marcos de Soto who marriedJuliana Perez in Teocaltiche prob. ca. 1720. They had my ancestor Juan Basiliode Soto. Another point of interest Juan de Soto and Sebastiana Esqueda kidsare classified as different races, some are espanol, some morisco, it doesnt make sense.Plus my Marcos de Soto (b. ca. 1690) is espanol so maybe not all de Soto come from Juan?
Daniel

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I'm looking to zapotlanejo too...

you can download the PAF program here preference version 5 to read my file:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

after you go in the same page at "search" for me its better in advanced search in the IGI International Genealogical index.. use and play with words.. jose, maria, and combinations of family names and the "Jalisco" because if you put Maria Lomeli mariied....someone Banegas or Venegas... maybe the husbands name is not jose is Juan or other or.. use juan or Jose Banegas or Venegas.. and Will find juana or maria or gertrudes Lomeli.. you can do the pi o to have more names because there somethimes you have grandparents names but in the traditional you see.. the name Juan Margarito Sebastiano dela Cruz.. maybe the person you search use her third or second name

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start

Cristino or Crispin..certanly had other first name but in the pilot you can get his father..Jose Maria Curiel

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=/eng/se…

I don't know if the above link will work, so I put the info below.

I do not know if this will help, but I found an Epifanio Beltran baptized May 9, 1874, in Zapotlanejo, Jalisco, Mexico

batch C603357 film 0218323

Parents:
EDOUVIGES BELTRAN
Francisca Navarro

Alternate spellings of this name: Veltran
Note the father is spelled Edouviges, I looked in the batched records for C603353, 54, 55, 56 and did not find any other Beltran or Veltran, but you may want to search these by hand. You may also want to look at the other batched records for Zapotlanejo, Jalisco.

If you order the above film, the baptism may or may not tell you where the parents are from. May also pay off to look at the marriages for Zapotlanejo for the 1870's

Maureen

Aniceta Ramirez Curiel 19 apr 1875 cristened in Zapotlanejo hija de Tomas Ramirez y Ana Curiel ..Tomás Ramirez hijo de jose Maria Ramires y Josefa reynoso

Ana Curiel Hija de Cristino Curiel y Paula Venegas. Cristino hijo de Jose Maria Curiel y Francisca Ibarra---Paula Venegas hija de Valentin Venegas y Leandra Navarro . I'll..continue.. lety Reynoso

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Toll free numbers don't normally work from outside the country as the receiver is paying the toll charges and most companies or individuals are not willing to pay international long distance rates for such calls and there are likely not the requisite conventions between telecom carriers in different countries for payment to be made for the call.

US 1800 numbers don't work if you try calling them from Mexico either.

You will likley have to somehow patch through a regular number in Mexico which can then dial the 800 Mexican number. Alternatively you will have to find a regular toll number for the company or individual.

I am not sure if you ever found this website, but I found it very helpful to anyone who can trace their lineage this far back into New Spain's early history.
The following is a link to the list of men who were a part of Don Juan de Onate's original expedition and subsequent re-enforcements.

http://garyfelix.tripod.com/index5E.htm

I believe the census of the 400 families is in an archive in San Luis Potosi, since Miguel de Caldera was the person who arranged their migration to the Gran Chichimeca. The 100 families who ended up in Colotlan are detailed in one of Esteban Valdes Salazar's Totatiche history books. I think 100 families settled in Mezquitic and I am not certain of where the other 200 families ended up... likely somewhere in Zacatecas as you mention. I will try to find more specific information about where the census is published.

There is a beautiful letter from the Viceroy Luis de Velasco to King Rey Felipe II dated 26 June 1591 which describes the arrangement of the migration of these families and his visit to their caravan as they passed outside of Mexico City on their way from Tlaxcala to the Gran Chichimeca.

Archivo General de Indias, CARTAS DEL VIRREY LUIS DE VELASCO, HIJO, Signatura MEXICO,22,N.53

Which is available on PARES online:

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control

Dear Claudia,
Not a long response at all!  Tell me more; you've piqued my curiousity.  I now know that it covers 17th century families in central Mexico, not only Los Altos.  I also appreciate you telling me that it is most practical if your research extends that far back.   While all my families are indeed from central Mexican states and consist of very old 17th century names found there, I haven't made the connection to them.  As I mentioned, I'm a novice and have only made definite verifiable connections to the early 18th century in Mexico and Spain. 
 
How many volumes are there?  If the families are alphabetized, I could research Calderon, Diaz, and Lizundia in the second volume, but I would be most interested in the third--Onate, Rubio, Santelices, Valderrama, Villagran, and Zepulbeda! 
 
Again, thank you so much for sharing your expertise.  It allows me to make better sense of comments made within the group and place them in the proper context.  It was a pleasure.
 
Alice
   

HOLA, COMO ESTAS? PUES YO ESTOY INTERESADA EN LEER ESOS ESCRITOS SI ME HACES FAVOR DE MANDARMELOS PARA VER SI LOS PUEDO DESIFRAR. FIJATE QUE YO TAMBIEN TENGO A MIS ANTEPASADOS GUTIERREZ EN LOS ALTOS DE JALISCO PERO SEGUN YO CREO FUE SOLO EN TEPATITLAN JALISCO PERO ALOMEJOR TENGO PARIENTES GUTIERREZ EN LOS ALREDEDORES.

BUENO ME LLAMO MARTHA GOMEZ
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Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:01:12 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cristero movement in Los Altos de Jalisco

Hello -- I believe the following account refers to my great grandfather, Mariano Gutierrez, who was killed during the Cristero movement in San Miguel el Alto, Jal.  

A las 11 de la mañana de este mismo día, salieron unos soldados a traer pastura al rancho Los Magueyes, a unos 3 Kms. al oriente de la población, donde encontraron al Sr. Mariano Gutiérrez, persona honrada y pacífica y sin motivo

BUENO, NO NECESITAS SABER EL NOMBRE DE LA IGLESIA NI EL DE LOS SACERDOTES , LO UNICO QUE NECESITAS SABER ES EL LUGAR Y LA FECHA. SI QUIERES DIME DE QUE FECHA ESTAS BUSCANDO Y YO TE LOCALIZO EL MICROFILM DONDE SE ENCUENTRAN TUS PARIENTES Y AHI YA VAS A VER LA IGLESIA EN QUE SE CASARON .
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Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:24:17 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Churches in Mexico

Does anyone know how I can locate a certain church in Mexico?  For example, I know that my grandmothers parents were married in San Juan de los Lagos, but I do not know what church.  THe document says the priest is Don Urbano Barragan Velasco, a minister is also listed as Presbitero Francisco Esquivel and a "Father Priest" Senor Cura Pantaleon Fortolero.  The priest who certifed the document in 1950 is named Estaban Sanchez V.   I guess I may want to search the surnames of the priests to

One more hint. If you are using the Place Name Library Catalog in Familysearch, sometimes you will come up with nothing. That does not mean that they do not have records for that area. That search has to be exact, with your spelling exactly as they have it in the familysearch database. If at first you do not succeed, try, try again with alternate spellings and if you still do not find it, call your local Family History center and ask for some help.

Maureen Bejar

Almost forgot, you might want to check out this site under films. Some of the records might have been batched already, which will cut your search down dramatically. However, you may want to order the film anyway, as some records do have much more information than what is on the batched record. It is the luck of the draw whether there is more information or not. Sometime you only get exactly what is on the batch or sometimes you get more generations, aunt and uncles, ages, occupation, origins and all sorts of lucky charms with the actual microfilm document.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/films/Jalisco/1072

Click on the buttons and it takes your straight to the family search batch.

Maureen Bejar

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.as…

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.as…++

Hopefully the links above will work. The first is to the Library Catalog of familysearch. I put in the "place": San Juan Los Lagos and then "part of": Mexico

Click on the church records for San Juan Los Lagos and then at the top right there will be a button for "View Film Notes". It will list all the records and years on the left with the film numbers to order on the right.

Hope this helps.

Maureen

Lisa:

Most of the smaller towns in Mexico have only one parrish, even if there is more than one temple. Thus for records purposes, there is only one place to look as records are always kept at the parrish level.

San Juan de los Lagos is no exception. If you go to familysearch.org and check under the "Library" menu item, you can search by location and you will find that the only parrish in San Juan de los Lagos is the "San Juan Bautista" parrish... thus the name of the town.

You can then pull the films available for that town (civil or church), get a film number where you think your great-grandparents were married and order the film. If their marriage was onld enough, simply go to the "Films" section of Nuestros Ranchos and pull up the index for the marriage records of the town to find their marriage record extract.

You might consider the program in Family Tree Maker. Put it on a flash drive and take it to Kinko's. They'll make the poster as big as you want. I've given away the 5'x5' posters to family. These posters cost about $4-$6 each. Ancestry.com has fancier ones that might be better quality keepsakes.
Eloise Reyes

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From: Raquel Ruiz
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Sent: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 5:56 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] family tree for anniversary

Can anyone suggest a source for having a family tree done for display? My
rothers and I are organizing a 60th wedding anniversay party for our
arents in July and I want post one for each of them. I can search on the
nternet, but thought some of you might have some suggestions from
xperience. I'd appreciate any tips on this. Thanks.--Raquel

Definitely I'd suggest go to ancestry.com and order one from MyCanvas
application very good quality!

Good Luck!

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From: "Raquel Ruiz"
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:56 PM
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] family tree for anniversary

> Can anyone suggest a source for having a family tree done for display? My
> brothers and I are organizing a 60th wedding anniversay party for our
> parents in July and I want post one for each of them. I can search on the
> internet, but thought some of you might have some suggestions from
> experience. I'd appreciate any tips on this. Thanks.--Raquel

Solo se que tenian a lo menos dos hijos Juan Francisco Munoz de Nava y Nepomucena Munoz de Nava. No se cuando se casaronRafael Munoz de Nava y Maria de Jesus Munoz de Nava,
Saludos,Daniel

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> From: josejime@yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:56:11 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Matrimonio de Rafael Muñoz y Maria de Jesus Muñoz
>
> Alguien sabe sobre los padres de estos 2 personas, casaron aproximadamente 1780 en jalos o san miguel, agredeceria si alguien sabe algo de ellos mil gracias