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PUBLISHING YOUR FAMILY HISTORY

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For the last two years I have been working on putting together my mother's family history. It started out with an small idea and has grown into an extensive project. The printing of it became too expensive so I decided to go with a power point presentation format. This has allowed me to include many bells and whistles to the book and make copies for my family members. At first I wasn't sure of what to include so I did a "what to include list" and used that as my guide. Next, what did I have, need and what did I want to include... I wanted an interesting cover page for the book and then continued with a

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That sounds great, congratulations!
And tell me, this is about Perez or Medina, because my mother´s mother name
was Medina.

Where can we see your work?

Regards.
Patty

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:18 PM, yolandamedinaperez
windrocklili@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> For the last two years I have been working on putting together my mother's
> family history. It started out with an small idea and has grown into an
> extensive project. The printing of it became too expensive so I decided to
> go with a power point presentation format. This has allowed me to include
> many bells and whistles to the book and make copies for my family members.
> At first I wasn't sure of what to include so I did a "what to include list"
> and used that as my guide. Next, what did I have, need and what did I want
> to include... I wanted an interesting cover page for the book and then
> continued with a
> DEDICATION
> TABLE OF CONTENTS
> iNTRODUCTION
> MEANING AND ORIGIN OF OUR NAME/SPELLING VARIATIONS + MAPS
>

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Thank you Patty, 
 I wrote the book  about my mothers family surname SAAVEDRA, which were in Mapimi Durango, then in Santa Rosalia, Camargo then moved to El Paso, Tx. because of the Mexican Revolution. 
 I 'm afraid I posted my message on the wrong place in ranchos.
If one of the MODERATORS  would please move it to this site I would appreciate it very much.  I had a blast learning power point and learning how I could bring in all sorts of clip art, photos, documents etc.  It's definately worth the time and effort to learn, now all of my family will have a copy of the book "Saavedra Family Genealogy 1600's to XXI Century"   
in CD form instead of paper.  
Regards Yolanda Medina Saavedra de Perez
in Old El Paso

--- On Fri, 3/20/09, patty haro wrote:

From: patty haro
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PUBLISHING YOUR FAMILY HISTORY
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 6:29 PM

That sounds great, congratulations!
And tell me, this is about Perez or Medina

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Joseph, I'm sooooo sorry,  about the confusion.  When I opened my mail the message below didn't show in the "general mailing list"  I assumed that I had posted it in the wrong place. All I wanted was for the message below the one that starts with "For the last two years"  to show in the general mailing list, so that most of the group could read it.  thanks for you help 
Yolanda

--- On Fri, 3/20/09, patty haro wrote:

From: patty haro
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PUBLISHING YOUR FAMILY HISTORY
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 6:29 PM

That sounds great, congratulations!
And tell me, this is about Perez or Medina, because my mother´s mother name
was Medina.

Where can we see your work?

Regards.
Patty

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:18 PM, yolandamedinaperez
windrocklili@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> For the last two years I have been working on putting together my
mother's
> family history. It started out with an small idea and has grown into an
> extensive

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Tello de Lomas and Sandi de Diaz Lines

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Hello-

I have been reading the posts on these two names, Tello de Lomas and Sandi de Diaz Lines, and wanted to know if anyone has information on my below ancestors. Below is info from book, "San Gabriel Valley Families of Nueva Galicia" which is incredible and I highly reccomend anyone to buy this book if they have note.

Genealogical Gem

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Just found this gem:

Jose Ignacio Davila Garibi book, La Sociedad de Zacatecas en los Albores del Regimen Colonial, Actuación de los principales fundadores y primeros funcionarios públicos de la ciudad. This genealogical gem has family trees of Perez de Oñate, Zaldivar, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Salazar, Rivadeneira, Merida y Molina, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Rivadeneira, Adelantado Juan de Oñate y Salazar, Tolosa-Cortes-Moctezuma, Temiño de Banuelos, Medrano, Pardo de Lago, Ibarra y Castilla and Oñate-Banuelos-Medrano-Chavez-Moreno. Mexico, 1939, 140 pp., soft cover. Old $97.50.

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It is a not a great idea to have personal information like addresses
and/or phone numbers in group messages. If you take it to private email
well that is fine but the email archives are open to the public and
anyone is able to see this private information. I would like to
encourage everyone to carefully consider the content of the messages
before clicking on the "send" button asking the most important questions:

1) Is this communication appropriate for all 300 members of the group?
If it is applicable only to one individual please consider taking it to
private email but if it could benefit others please leave it on the list
2) Does this communication include private information? If so is this
information appropriate to be shared world wide on the internet?

Please be careful in your communications,

joseph

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Carlos, I would like a copy of the Garibi book if available. Thanks, Raymond Medrano

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On Mar 21, 2009, at 9:16 PM, eaherold@att.net wrote:

How do you get a copy of the book?
--
Esther A. Herold

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Just found this gem:
Jose Ignacio Davila Garibi book, La Sociedad de Zacatecas en los Albores del Regimen Colonial, Actuación de los principales fundadores y primeros funcionarios públicos de la ciudad. This genealogical gem has family trees of Perez de Oñate, Zaldivar, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Salazar, Rivadeneira, Merida y Molina, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Rivadeneira, Adelantado Juan de Oñate y Salazar, Tolosa-Cortes-Moctezuma, Temiño de Banuelos, Medrano, Pardo de Lago, Ibarra y Castilla and Oñate-Banuelos-Medrano-Chavez-Moreno. Mexico, 1939, 140 pp., soft cover. Old
$97.50.

Carlos Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project
760-738-5959

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How do you get a copy of the book?
--
Esther A. Herold

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> Just found this gem:
> Jose Ignacio Davila Garibi book, La Sociedad de Zacatecas en los Albores del Regimen Colonial, Actuación de los principales fundadores y primeros funcionarios públicos de la ciudad. This genealogical gem has family trees of Perez de Oñate, Zaldivar, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Salazar, Rivadeneira, Merida y Molina, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Rivadeneira, Adelantado Juan de Oñate y Salazar, Tolosa-Cortes-Moctezuma, Temiño de Banuelos, Medrano, Pardo de Lago, Ibarra y Castilla and Oñate-Banuelos-Medrano-Chavez-Moreno. Mexico, 1939, 140 pp., soft cover. Old
> $97.50.
>
> Carlos Yturralde
> Hispanic Heritage Project
> 760-738-5959
>
>

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I too would like to know where to find this book. I see that my husband's family name is listed.
Susan Cadena

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Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:16 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
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How do you get a copy of the book?
--
Esther A. Herold

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> Just found this gem:
> Jose Ignacio Davila Garibi book, La Sociedad de Zacatecas en los Albores del Regimen Colonial, Actuacin de los principales fundadores y primeros funcionarios pblicos de la ciudad. This genealogical gem has family trees of Perez de Oate, Zaldivar, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oate y Salazar, Rivadeneira, Merida y Molina, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oate y Rivadeneira, Adelantado Juan de Oate y Salazar, Tolosa-Cortes-Moctezuma, Temio de Banuelos, Medrano, Pardo de Lago, Ibarra y

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Those of you who are looking for a copy of Jose Ignacio Davila Garibi book, La Sociedad de Zacatecas en los Albores del Regimen Colonial, Actuación de los principales fundadores y primeros funcionarios públicos de la ciudad. That book is our of print and difficult to find. If I come across another copy I will let you know.

Carlos Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project

> How do you get a copy of the book?
--
Esther A. Herold

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> Just found this gem:
> Jose Ignacio Davila Garibi book, La Sociedad de Zacatecas en los Albores del Regimen Colonial, Actuación de los principales fundadores y primeros funcionarios públicos de la ciudad. This genealogical gem has family trees of Perez de Oñate, Zaldivar, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Salazar, Rivadeneira, Merida y Molina, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Rivadeneira, Adelantado Juan de Oñate y Salazar, Tolosa-Cortes-Moctezuma, Temiño de Banuelos, Medrano, Pardo de Lago, Ibarra y

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I would like a copy please.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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From: "cyturralde@cox.net"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:00:43 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogical Gem

Just found this gem:

Jose Ignacio Davila Garibi book, La Sociedad de Zacatecas en los Albores del Regimen Colonial, Actuación de los principales fundadores y primeros funcionarios públicos de la ciudad.  This genealogical gem has family trees of Perez de Oñate, Zaldivar, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Salazar, Rivadeneira, Merida y Molina, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Rivadeneira, Adelantado Juan de Oñate y Salazar, Tolosa-Cortes-Moctezuma, Temiño de Banuelos, Medrano, Pardo de Lago, Ibarra y Castilla and Oñate-Banuelos-Medrano-Chavez-Moreno.  Mexico, 1939, 140 pp., soft cover.  Old $97.50.

Carlos Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage  Project
760-738-5959

Mathiana Ruiz-de-Esparza

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Does any one know the names of the parents of
Mathiana Ruiz de Esparza who married on December 29, 1655, to Alonso Martin?

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John,

The parents of Mathiana Ruiz de Esparza were Pedro Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lozano. Mathiana was baptized in Aguascalientes 18 March 1647. Her godparents were Nicolás de Chavarría and Mathiana's aunt Juana de Ortega.

Mathiana married Alonso Martín Matheos 29 Dec 1666. You had 1655 in your request for info. but I'm sure we're talking about the same person. Mathiana Ruiz de Esparza and Alonso Martín had at least eight children:

Joseph b. 1668
Juan b. 1671
Nicolás b. 1672
Nicolás II b. 1676
Juan II b. 1678
María b. 1681
Ana b. 1684
Jacinto b. 1687

Bill Figueroa

José Joseph

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Stuart, Are you saying that the actual entry in the church book states Joseph instead of Jose? That is weird, because I thought it only happened in entries that were transcribed (indexed?) by someone who took liberties. And yes, ph is Greek--I just taught Antigone by Sophocles. ABB

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I find that many priests, even in El Paso, TX in the late 1800s and early 1900s, still insisted on using the Latin for given names, making it very hard for me to figure out what the name was in Spanish that we would know our relatives by. They would use Eulaliam, Liberata, Eduardum, Miriam Carmeli, Abelinum, Elizabethum, Vincentio, Delphinum, Petrum, as well as Josephe and George.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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From: AliceBB
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] José Joseph

Stuart, Are you saying that the actual entry in the church book states Joseph instead of Jose? That is weird, because I thought it only happened in entries that were transcribed (indexed?) by someone who took liberties. And yes, ph is Greek--I just taught Antigone by Sophocles. ABB

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From: Stuart Armstrong >
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros

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Stuart:

You wrote:

Was Joseph an earlier variation or is this just the priest insisting on Anglicizing the names?

These are not examples of Anglicization, but of the use of the original Greek or Latin form of the names. Before the Bourbon reforms in Spain which made Spanish a phonetically spelled language, there were no standard spellings and the more well educated priests would adhere to the original Latin or Greek spellings of names even if the names were no longer pronounced in that manner...

I would imagine that the "ph" in Joseph had basically become silent over time in Spanish as did many initial and final F sounds, e.g. farina became harina, etc. Tthus with the linguistic reform, the standardized spelling basically dropped the sound, but kept the accentuation on the second syllable which was the remnant of the final consonant.

Italian likewise had the spelling changed to match the pronunciation, where the "ph" was pronounced as a P rather than F so it became Giuseppe.

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I've seen marriage records from Laredo, TX from the 1800's actually written in Latin. They write the Spanish names in the margin (Luis Manuel, Lucinda, etc.) and the Latin version in the text (Ludovicum Manuelem, Lucindam, etc.). The full text is in Latin.
I'v seen in genealogy books from Northern Mexico families names such as Joseph or Joanes (Juan), and I wonder if they actually were called by their families or called themselves "Joseph" or "José". Was "Joseph" just for the Church records and "José" the actual name? Or maybe some of them were actually called Joseph and others José? I've also seen José written a Josse in the original records.
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro

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Hello AliceBB,

Saturday, March 21, 2009, 1:05:31 PM, you wrote:

> Stuart, Are you saying that the actual entry in the church book
> states Joseph instead of Jose? That is weird, because I thought it
> only happened in entries that were transcribed (indexed?) by someone
> who took liberties. And yes, ph is Greek--I just taught Antigone by Sophocles. ABB

These were the actual films of the original registers. I thought at
first it was the transcriptions I was using, because that transcriber
did take many liberties of just that sort. But then pilot.familysearch
images came on-line and I looked at the original handwriting, and
there was no doubt at all that the original entries had those
spellings. In fact, the spellings are fairly consistent for several
decades of records. Now, I understand that it was just one of the many
"normal" ways of spelling things at that time. I do wonder though, how
"Joseph" was pronounced in 1770 México.

If you want to see these for yourself, try pilot

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Stuart,

Joseph was pronounced Josséf, and sometimes written like that but without
the accent. Likewise Josepha was pronounce Josefa. Most of these are
biblical names. There were few rules for spelling in the 17th and 18th
centuries.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel M�ndez del Camino"
To: "Patty Hoyos"
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] José Joseph

>
> I would imagine it was pronounced like today's José, i think the ph was
> there just for show. Or maybe Josef
>
>
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Transition in power

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Saturday, Mar 21, 2009

Fellow Historians--

I have always been told that the fall from world power for Spain was in 1588 because of the Spanish Armada. Perhaps there are other opinions and perhaps it depends on which part of the world you got your history lessons from? Comments?

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Hi Patricia, Spain was declining in the late 1700's and fell during the the early 1800's. The Independence of Mexico and the Conquest of Spain by Napoleon Bonaparte really cuased the last of the Spaniards. For one, Mexico was regarded as the main colony of wealth for Spain and when you have your country conquered (Spain) by the French the royal family fled to New Spain. Plus the Borbon reforms all these things caused Spain to fall. Yes the 1588 loss of the Spanish Armada did impact Europe. It changed how they saw the Spanish, their pride and image was destroyed but not their power. Ive only take a semester of spanish Iberian Studies. Ha Ha, i guess it is good to learn about all sorts of things. -Daniel

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Captain Pedro Romo married Lorenza

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IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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Search Results  | Download | Print

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PEDRO ROMO DE BIBAR Pedigree
  Male   Family

Copies

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Linda,
I would like to access copies of the Zacatecas records that you have compiled. I' m not sure if this is the correct procedure for communicating such requests. Thank you in advance, Raymond Medrano

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In a great many records circa 1775 Rincón de Romos the cura (Pablo
Romo de Vivar) consistently puts Joseph instead of José on marriage
records. He even prefers to George to Jorge, and frequently makes
other similar substitutions, such as Theresa for Teresa or Phelipe for
Felipe. Why is this? Was Joseph an earlier variation or is this just
the priest insisting on Anglicizing the names?

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

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It wasn't just this priest and this church.

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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Stuart Armstrong
Sent: Fri 3/20/2009 8:52 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] José Joseph

In a great many records circa 1775 Rincón de Romos the cura (Pablo
Romo de Vivar) consistently puts Joseph instead of José on marriage
records. He even prefers to George to Jorge, and frequently makes
other similar substitutions, such as Theresa for Teresa or Phelipe for
Felipe. Why is this? Was Joseph an earlier variation or is this just
the priest insisting on Anglicizing the names?

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

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Stuart,
These are not anglicisms. Until recently (Vatican Council II), the offical language of the Catholic Church was Latin. Thus 'Ph' instead of 'F' would have been appropriate.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Armstrong"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:52:59 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] José Joseph

In a great many records circa 1775 Rincón de Romos the cura (Pablo
Romo de Vivar) consistently puts Joseph instead of José on marriage
records. He even prefers to George to Jorge, and frequently makes
other similar substitutions, such as Theresa for Teresa or Phelipe for
Felipe. Why is this? Was Joseph an earlier variation or is this just
the priest insisting on Anglicizing the names?

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

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The ph comes from greek though

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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Jaime R. Alvarado
Sent: Fri 3/20/2009 9:52 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] José Joseph

Stuart,
These are not anglicisms. Until recently (Vatican Council II), the offical language of the Catholic Church was Latin. Thus 'Ph' instead of 'F' would have been appropriate.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Armstrong"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:52:59 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] José Joseph

In a great many records circa 1775 Rincón de Romos the cura (Pablo
Romo de Vivar) consistently puts Joseph instead of José on marriage
records. He even prefers to George to Jorge, and frequently makes
other similar substitutions, such as Theresa for Teresa or Phelipe for
Felipe. Why is this? Was Joseph an earlier variation or is this just
the priest

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HI Stuart, about the Spanish in colonial times, not exactly about anglicanizing them, we got to remember we are talking about Old Castilian our ancestors spoke! Our Spanish we know today (Castellano) is more recent which was heavily changed in the Bourbón Reforms in the early 1800's. It is why in only some parts, of Méjico we hear Vosotros, (not talking about Vos) which totally means something different like Tú) The change plus the independece caused the language or dialects to slightly change. Plus there were no rules on grammer, during this time, no one really set the rules (not entirely ture) on how Castellano was written. Basically it could really be how it sounded literally. The Bourbons really changed our spanish society but in a good way, several hundreds of laws, rules and etc passed. Hence our two surname system (father and mother) before this the reforms it only followed the father's name because it was compuesto.

-Daniel

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Hello Daniel and others,

Thank you. I didn't realize Spanish had changed and it was just "Old
Spanish" (why not? all languages change) and I don't know anything
about the Bourbón reforms. Guess I need to go back to high school and
revisit some history classes.

Friday, March 20, 2009, 7:37:50 PM, you wrote:

> HI Stuart, about the Spanish in colonial times, not exactly about
> anglicanizing them, we got to remember we are talking about Old
> Castilian our ancestors spoke! Our Spanish we know today
> (Castellano) is more recent which was heavily changed in the Bourbón
> Reforms in the early 1800's.

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

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The Bourb~n reforms were an important time in Spanish History, they brought the french political ideas to Spain, how to run the govt, many laws passed, which eventually led to the downfall of the Spanish empire, the ideas of Montesquie, Locke, and many enlightenment thinkers reached New Spain, and ignited the revoultion against Spain. There are many books dedicated just to this period of time it started in the 1770's-ca. 1805 not sure extact on dates right now. -Daniel

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como consigo datos de la parroquia, teniendo el número de film y de batch

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hola,
He estado navegado en el sitio de familysearch y por fin logre encontrar los
datos de la partida de bautismos de mi abuela, pero solo trae el número de
film y de batch, me dice que es del d.f. pero no me da el nombre de la

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Cree instrucciones para que uno pueda ver que información esta relacionado con un numero de película. Necesitas ir a: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17636
Y ver las fotos que puse ahí. Empieza con el paso # 1 al 7 y despues el paso final. Ese enlace te va a llevar a los albums de Nuestros Ranchos y al folder llamado, FamilySearch Fotos.

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Mil GRACIAS, por tomarte el tiempo para explicarme tan claramente como
hacerlo, solo un pequeño detalle, las fotos estan en orden inverso, o sea en
la 1 esta el paso final y en la siete esta como entrar a la página.
De todas formas me sirvieron perfectamente y descubri que mi abuela fué
bautisada en la misma parroquia que el que seria su esposo (o sea mi
abuelo), incluso estan en el mismo rollo.
Muchisimas Gracias de nuevo.

2009/3/19 Eduardo H Seoane

>
> Cree instrucciones para que uno pueda ver que información esta relacionado
> con un numero de película. Necesitas ir a:
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17636
> Y ver las fotos que puse ahí. Empieza con el paso # 1 al 7 y despues el
> paso final. Ese enlace te va a llevar a los albums de Nuestros Ranchos y al
> folder llamado, FamilySearch Fotos.
>

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ya sabia lo del orden pero no me dio tiempo volver a supir las fotos en el orden correcto. pense que los que las veian se darian cuenta del orden, y asi fue. De nada!

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Voy regresando del Archivo General de la Nación y ya traigo conmigo la
partida de bautismo de mis abuelas gracias a tu oportuna y clara ayuda.

2009/3/20 Eduardo H Seoane

>
> ya sabia lo del orden pero no me dio tiempo volver a supir las fotos en el
> orden correcto. pense que los que las veian se darian cuenta del orden, y
> asi fue. De nada!

Chihuahua Films From 1600's

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Hi, Daniel:

I checked my family history center for films in the area you asked, Hidalgo
del Parral in the 1600's, but they are all from the 1800's after 1850.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, Calif

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Ana de Lizarrarás.

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Alguien tiene información de Ana de Lizarrarás, quien fue madre de Desiderio Martín Gallardo.

Ayer buscando información sobre el matrimonio de Desiderio Gallardo y Jerónima de Torres, en Aguascalientes alrededor del año 1680, encontré un contrato de compra venta de una esclava entre Desiderio Martín Gallardo y Juan Altamirano de Castilla. En mencionado contrato se menciona que Desiderio adquirió a la esclava de parte de su madre Ana de Lizarrarás.

MARTINES-CALVILLO, AGUILERA De Sandi, RUIS-ESPARSA

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I would appreciate any comments, corrections and / or additions to my following 'dead-ends',
Juan MARTINES-CALBILLO and his wife Josepha AGUILERA De Sandi, and their descendants.

Also, what is the connection, if any, between them and the following couple:

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Hello Gloria,

I am doing research on my sister in laws line that includes the Calvillo family

Her name is Cristina Palomar Verea and she descends from Jose Sotero Calvillo and Ma.Gertrudis Avila Diaz de Tiscareno.
Jose sotero descends from Vicente Fernando Martines Calvillo and jeronima jimenez alvarado, I do not have any of jeronimas information but am wondering if her and vicente were related.
For Daniel gave me the following information Vicente was the son Felipe judas Martinez calvillo married to theresa Munoz de hermosillo I do not have any of her information
now your file indicates that felipe is the son of Heugenio Martinez Calvillo and Xetrudis Ruiz Esparza Alvarado
I have gertrudis ruiz alvarado's parents
her parents Cristobal Ruiz de Esparza Losano and Antonia Lopez de Alvarado, married 19/jan/1662
antonias' parents are Luis Alvarado and Beatriz Lopez de Elizalde
Beatriz's parents areJuan Lopez de elizalde and leonor Becerra de Mendoza
i have theri parents , I do not

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Hi there Rick ,

My name is Welester G. Alvarado and I have traced part of my Alvarado line to my GG Grandfather Candelario Alvarado in the town of Villa de Santiago in the state of Nuevo Leon , Mexico .

A lot of the folks from that village or town came from Zacatecas , Jalisco and Aguascaliente via San Luis Potosi and Coahuila . Do you know or have any info on the Alvarados´ migration . Did any of them go north to Coahuila and then to Nuevo Leon ?

I know it´s a long shot but it´s worth a try .

Welester

>
> Hello Gloria,
>
> I am doing research on my sister in laws line that includes the Calvillo family
>
> Her name is Cristina Palomar Verea and she descends from Jose Sotero Calvillo and Ma.Gertrudis Avila Diaz de Tiscareno.
> Jose sotero descends from Vicente Fernando Martines Calvillo and jeronima jimenez alvarado, I do not have any of jeronimas information but am wondering if her and vicente were related.
> For Daniel gave me the following information

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Luis Alvarado and Beatriz Lopez de Elisalde had daughters Maria Lopes de Elisalde and Josepha de Alvarado (and at least one other, Antonia Lopes de Alvarado).

Maria Lopes de Elisalde married Thomas Macias on 13 Sep 1659, in Aguascalientes.

Josepha de Alvarado married Nicolas Macias on 21 Feb 1662, in Aguascalientes.

Does anyone have information on Thomas Macias and Nicolas Macias?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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I've recently run across several confusions between the surnames Mundo
and Quirós. At first I thought it was a father/ step-father confusion,
but having seen it in more than one family, I'm wondering if Mundo
Quiroz is a known combination surname circa 1750 Aguascalientes. Does
anyone have knowledge of this?

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Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

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Just a question to those of you who are professional researchers and earn or help earn a living from your reseach.  I know it cost money, time and endless hours to put together the data base and search methods you have.  When you join a group like this and people ask for a lot of information or help to further their lines, where do you draw the line?  How do you determine who you charge or how much information to give away.
 
I know I asked Jonathan for info abt one of his wifes lines and when he did not respond I assumed it was because he was a professional but I think I was wrong and he was just busy with so many requests.  What is fair for those in the group to ask for and when should we be willing to pay for a professionals help?
 
Linda in Everett

RV: Bernardo Gomez

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Bunas Tardes a todos los compañeros de este foro, desde hace un año estoy
trabajando en construir mi árbol genealogico en algunas ramas he avanzado
hasta cerca del año de 1800, para esto me han ayudado algunos datos del

New files uploaded

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Yeah, I did the same thing. I first uploaded my Gonzalez file separate from
my other file. I just uploaded it again through my original genealogy
file. You go to your genealogy file where your other family trees are and

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You click on the file you wish to delete and click on Edit and down at the
bottom of the page is a Delete button. Push that and I then deleted the
title and subject fields. Then click on Submit and it deletes the file from
the group genealogy files.

My Gonzalez file is under my name. Look under Ardoin, Corrine.

I'm glad it worked for you!
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

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Corrine,
Thanks! I managed to get it in the right place and to delete my recent
error. I still haven't figured out how to delete the original folder, which
is now unnecessary. Any more ideas?

So where can I find your new Gonzalez file?

Thanks again!

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Corrine Ardoin wrote:

> Raquel:
>
> Yeah, I did the same thing. I first uploaded my Gonzalez file separate
> from
> my other file. I just uploaded it again through my original genealogy
> file. You go to your genealogy file where your other family trees are and
> click on Edit. Then you go through that process again of uploading a file
> and it will be added to your genealogy file. Then you just delete the
> other
> one. Of course, if someone has an easier way, I'd like to know, too!
>
> Corrine Ardoin
> Santa Maria, California

New GEDCOM with families from Jerez, El Segrario Aguascalientes, Cienega De Mata Jalisco, etc.

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Hello everyone,

I'm a new member to this group, and I wanted to let you know I have uploaded my GEDCOM which includes over 6,000 names. A lot of this tree is from Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, and Jalisco.

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What areas of Jalisco?

Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739

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Hello everyone,

I'm a new member to this group, and I wanted to let you know I have uploaded my GEDCOM which includes over 6,000 names. A lot of this tree is from Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, and Jalisco.

Sincerely,
Norberto Menchaca Morales III

Searching mg banns

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I learned the following when consulting with a volunteer at my local FHC and am posting it in the hopes that it may be of use to others. If the Catholic marriage was of two people of different parishes, the banns would need to be posted in each church where each was then living.

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this may explain why sometimes I find the same record in tepa and jalos
If I find a record in tepa I always still look for it in jalos just in case they posted at both cities. I do this because Jalostotitlan would almost always include the grandparents and that is not always so in tepatitlan records. the trick is that when they have been posted somewhere else first the second posting is sometimes at the end of the other film and not where you would normally look.

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Searching mg banns

I learned the following when consulting with a volunteer at my local FHC and am posting it in the hopes that it may be of use to others. If the Catholic marriage was of two people of different parishes, the banns would need to be posted in each church where each was then living. The banns wouldn't

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Marriage Record Quest

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I have been on a quest for the marriage record of Benigno Cabral and
Pioquinta Gonzalez. I have been reading George Ryskamps book on doing
hispanic research and have found a way to search out their marriage record.

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I don´t know if it is a possible way, but could there be a "marriage information" film for your quest period? maybe
 
Leticia Leon
 
--- El lun 16-mar-09, Corrine Ardoin escribió:

De:: Corrine Ardoin
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Marriage Record Quest
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: lunes, 16 marzo, 2009, 9:28 am

I have been on a quest for the marriage record of Benigno Cabral and
Pioquinta Gonzalez.

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George & Peggy know their stuff. The couple had at least three children (1852, 1855 & 1856) but more than likely four or more that were born in San Diego, Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco. So, the marriage should have taken place there prior to 1852. There is also a fourth child born in 1854 to the Benigno Cavral and Antonia Gonsalez. Pia's (pioquinta) mother's name might have been Maria Antonia Gonsalez. So, maybe that is why Benigno Cavral is seen having a child with Antonia Gonsalez. Antonia might be another of Pioquinta's names.

Isabel de Esparza (also Ramirez and Hortis (Ortiz), daughter of Juan Ortiz and Luisa de Esparza

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This will be of particular interest to the descendants of Reyes-Medina lines.
I was able to locate the marriage of Antonio de los Reyes to Isabel de Esparza, although she is listed as Isabel de Hortiz, daughter of Juan de Ortiz and Luisa de Esparza. I then found the marriage of Isabel's parents:

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Chihuahua Film request

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Hi, Daniel:

I know someone that goes to my same family history center and she has a
bunch of films on indefinite loan there for that area. I will check to see
if they are of that time period. Unless someone else helps you out first!

Benigno Cabral and Pioquinta Gonzalez

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George and Peggy who? This is great. Yeah, I'm going through the baptisms
microfilm for the San Diego parish now for that time period, 1833-1875, to
locate any other children. That is how I found siblings and cousins, aunts

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George Ryskamp is a professor of linguistics at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah. He and Peggy, his wife, have been doing research for many years and have published books and written articles. I doubt that he is part of the Nuestros Ranchos community. He specializes in research in Spain and has presented at genealogical conferences in the United States and Spain. If you would like more information on them, then I suggest you Google them.

I had not seen your genealogical file prior to my last post. So, I did not realize that you already had some of the information I posted.

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Hi again, I also have Alejandro Chávez Fragoso and Paula Rivas, (I think Paula was from San Luís Potosí or Guanajuato) Alejandro and Paula married in Villa de Reyes, SLP, but should order the film to get the place where she was from, IGI had listed there parents which helps, and found kids for them in Aguascalientes. dont have a marriage date, I can somewhat say that Alejandro is the son of Francisco Chávez Fragoso, since in the Aguas films, hes the only Alejandro, Ive been able to find in Aguascalientes in the time frame, then Francisco is married 1681 to Marina Sotomayor daughter of Bernabé Montáñez (de Tovalino???) and Isabel Carillo de Sandi, who married 14 jun 1659 in Teocaltiche, (does anyone know who these guys are) back to Francisco was son of Simón Chávez Fragoso who married Juana Padilla (no marriage date) he is from Teocaltiche, Hacienda de San Marcos, which was own by the Chávez Fragoso. Not sure who Simón's parents are but due to the time frame, he should be a son of the patriarch, Pedro de Chávez y Fragoso, but I checked Retoños vol II and don Mariano does not list nothing on Simón, eventhough this name seems pretty common around 1660-or so, but my Simón is ca. 1617 or so.

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some diaz montanez siblings married carrilo de sandi siblings
I did not have bernabe montanez in the family group nor isabel castillo de sandi but the dates, other marriages, and locations leads me to believe that there may be a connection

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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of mendezdelcamino
Sent: Mon 3/16/2009 11:11 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Can anyone help II

Hi again, I also have Alejandro Chávez Fragoso and Paula Rivas, (I think Paula was from San Luís Potosí or Guanajuato) Alejandro and Paula married in Villa de Reyes, SLP, but should order the film to get the place where she was from, IGI had listed there parents which helps, and found kids for them in Aguascalientes. dont have a marriage date, I can somewhat say that Alejandro is the son of Francisco Chávez Fragoso, since in the Aguas films, hes the only Alejandro, Ive been able to find in Aguascalientes in the time

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Can anyone help?

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Does anyone have any Chihuahua films? Or have extracted info or know any of the following names, I only have a couple lines in Chihuahua in the 1600's.

Francisco Yáñez married 24 mar 1697 in Hidalgo del Parral to Ignacia Piñón.

new family tree file posting

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I just posted my updated Ruiz family tree. I almost got it right. Its above my name in the files, not exactly where I wanted it, but close enough. If someone can advise me about how to undo and do it right, I will try to make that happen.

Cortez

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I need help if anyone out there can help me. I am researching my great great parents but need some advice. I was told that my great great grandfather and grandmother were born at Agua Gorda De Los Patos. This Rancho is right on the line of Zacatecas but....Ojuelos de Jalisco is really close to the Rancho. My mother said that it's posbile that they were registered in Ojuelos since it was a walking distance to the town but like I said....the rancho is on the line of Zacatecas. Would they allowe them back then to registere at Ojuelos Jalisco?

Finding lost family

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I just wanted to share something wonderful that has happened because I post my files on Rootsweb.com.

I was contacted by a lady who said she had found out she was a Castanon by birth and was searching for her fathers line even though she never met him and was brought up by a step father. She said they were from Cutler and Dinuba Ca. and since my gr-grandparents, Vicente Castanon and Maria Gertruds Caldera, had lived there until their deaths in the 1940s I felt there must be some kind of connection. I contacted a cousin who grew up there and she was able to contact someone who knew who this lady was and is putting her in contact with half brothers and sisters she didn't know she had. She is very excited and happy to be able to find the missing part of her family of origin. I don't know how it will work out but at least she gets a chance to find out.

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Hi Linda,

How are you? I'm so happy you belong to this site as well. I just discovered it a few days ago.

Linda, that was a beautiful story and you are a very beautiful person for doing this for someone. My family and I are always telling EVERYONE about what you did for us. Because of you, I have all of my Menchaca ancestors that I have been looking for, for so long. Only if my grandpa didn't die two years ago, he would know who his ancestors were as well.

I can't thank you enough for all that you do. I hope you get this.

Always,
Norberto Menchaca Morales III

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Hi there Norberto ,

My uncle is married to a Mary Carmen Menchaca Morel . She and her family are from Monterrey , Mexico . Her father was the first Ing. in charge of computers for IBM .

Welester

>
> Hi Linda,
>
> How are you? I'm so happy you belong to this site as well. I just discovered it a few days ago.
>
> Linda, that was a beautiful story and you are a very beautiful person for doing this for someone. My family and I are always telling EVERYONE about what you did for us. Because of you, I have all of my Menchaca ancestors that I have been looking for, for so long. Only if my grandpa didn't die two years ago, he would know who his ancestors were as well.
>
> I can't thank you enough for all that you do. I hope you get this.
>
> Always,
> Norberto Menchaca Morales III

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Well hello, so glad you found this site, it's wonderful and you will learn loads from this "family."
 
I just updated my records today on Rootsweb.com and you probably already noticed the record for Dimas Menchaca that takes his family back to Pedro Menchaca abt abt 1740 and wife Maria Xaviera Lopez Vanegas abt 1750.  You may want to check and see if I have entered anything that might be of interest to you.  I just completed and recorded the entire film 0439851 Jerez baptism and if you can use it I'd be glad to forward it to you, also film 0439856 Jerez baptism, just let me know if they would be useful to you.
 
Welcome to Nuestrosranchos,
Linda in Everett

--- On Sun, 3/15/09, mexirishman wrote:

From: mexirishman
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Long Lost Family
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:00 PM

Hi Linda,

How are you? I'm so happy you belong to this site as well. I just
discovered it a few days ago.

Linda, that was a beautiful story and you

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Norberto, almost forgot I found this record that takes your Gallegos family to abt 1750

baptism 15 Aug 1808 in Jerez
Jose Justo Espanol born in Santa Rita 7 days old
parents: Ubaldo Gallegos and Lugarda de Acuna
pat grn: Christobal Gallegos and San Juana Orosco
mat grn: Chrisostomo de Acuna and Urbana Uritei (Urista?)
pad: Benito Gallegos and Antonia de la Torre
source: 0439851 Jerez baptism

--- On Sun, 3/15/09, mexirishman wrote:

From: mexirishman
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Long Lost Family
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:00 PM
 

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Thank-you for sharing that story. You have reminded me that I got started
on getting my files together to post on Rootsweb, but never finished. I
think only of the insignificance of the information to my own research, that
it's just a bunch of useless information to my direct line ancestry. But,
you have reminded me that what may be insignificant to me, may be of great
importance to another. Thank-you, again, for sharing that.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

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Linda..this is what our research is all about...to be able to help others who need help..that is a wonderful story..Raul

--- On Sat, 3/7/09, longsjourney wrote:

From: longsjourney
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Finding lost family
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 5:29 PM

I just wanted to share something wonderful that has happened because I post my
files on Rootsweb.com.

I was contacted by a lady who said she had found out she was a Castanon by
birth and was searching for her fathers line even though she never met him and
was brought up by a step father. She said they were from Cutler and Dinuba Ca.
and since my gr-grandparents, Vicente Castanon and Maria Gertruds Caldera, had
lived there until their deaths in the 1940s I felt there must be some kind of
connection. I contacted a cousin who grew up there and she was able to contact
someone who knew who this lady was and is putting her in contact with half
brothers and sisters she didn't know she

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Awsome Linda in Everett! that makes every effort worthy; for us because of the satisfaction, which is a poor word to describe the sentiment, and for the others because they enjoy the consequences of keeping the search. I hope it results fine for every body and for you recieve my congratulation and a big hug; is it worth to make the dance, some refers when making a find? anyway I wish you a happy dance!
 
Leticia Leon

--- El sáb 7-mar-09, longsjourney escribió:

De:: longsjourney
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Finding lost family
A: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: sábado, 7 marzo, 2009, 7:29 pm

I just wanted to share something wonderful that has happened because I post my
files on Rootsweb.com.

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