Hola a todos.. ¿De casualidad alguien sabe algo de Miguel Angulo y Maria Antonia Diaz en Tepatitlan?, creo que se casaron en 1752 en tonala Jalisco esta familia tuvo a:
Jose Francisco Angulo casado con Anna María Azeves el 30 de enero de 1788 en Tepatitlan. ( también busco a los papas de Anna Maria)
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17298
Hola,
Soy Patricia Haro Vergara, he estado un poco de investigación genealógica de
mi familia,navegando encontré esta página y me parecio fabuloso que la mayor
Cristobal de Vergara + Antonia Carrillo Tocaltiche hijo:
Joseph Antonio de Vergara + Maria antonia Monica de Aguayo (m:14 sep 1757) Tocaltiche hijo:
Jose Manuel Vergara (B.1761) + Maria Josefa Muñoz Totaltiche Hijo:
Jose Marcial Vergara + Maria Patricia Ynojosa Cd. Guzman Hijo:
Jose maria Feliz Vergara Ynojosa (b: 20 may 1820) Cd, Guzman + Maria del Refugio Silva Hijo:
Jose Dolores Vergara + Pilar Rodriguez (m: 24 feb 1872) Zapotlan jalisco
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Hola Raty en Zapotlan Jalisco parece que el único matrimonio posible es Jose Dolores Vergara y Pilar Rodriguez (casados el 24 de feb 1872) desgraciadamente sus registros solo alcanzan hasta 1873, hijos:
Maria columba 1872 ,Jose maximiano de jesus 1874, Ricardo ( que fué gemelo pero no dice de quien) los numeros de batch que uedes buscar en www.familysearch.org son C604539, C604542,43,44,45,46,47 C604533,34,35, C603316,C031620, C036680 K602919 y J602919 M604562 de zapotlan y C035530 en Sayula
Jose dolores se caso en zapotlan pero nació en Cd. Guzman que tambien era zapotlan era hijo de Felix Vergara y refugio Silva
Pilar Rodriguez nació en tecalithan o tecolotlan hija de jose maria rodriguez y Refugio Brizuela
y en zapotlan eran Trinidad Medina e Ypolita Gonzalez
Trinidad hijo de Geronimo medina y Antonia Casas tal vez Ypolita Gonzalez era Guerra pero parece que era compuesto y los unicos que aparecen en esa fecha con apellido compuesto eran en sayula Jose Maria Gonzalez
wow, no tienes idea de cuanto me has ayudado, mañana voy al AGN a checar
esos registros, hoy consegui el de Rodolfo Vergara, Hijo de Jose Dolores
Vergara y Pilar Rodriguez, mañana te paso los datos, afortunadamente el
parroco que hizo esos registros escribe bien bonito y claro, tambien tenemos
suerte de que este muy bien microfilmados los archivos de Zapotlan (que es
lo mismo que Cd. Guzman), espero conseguir mas de ahi, tu informacion me va
a servir muchisimo
Creo q vas bien porque los medina me han dicho que tenemos familia en
Sayula.
Muchas Gracias
Mañana te aviso y te paso la info q encuentre
2009/1/8 leticia reynoso
>
> Hola Raty en Zapotlan Jalisco parece que el único matrimonio posible es
> Jose Dolores Vergara y Pilar Rodriguez (casados el 24 de feb 1872)
> desgraciadamente sus registros solo alcanzan hasta 1873, hijos:
>
> Maria columba 1872 ,Jose maximiano de jesus 1874, Ricardo ( que fué gemelo
> pero no dice de quien) los numeros de batch que uedes buscar en
> www
me tienes im
2009/1/8 patty haro
> wow, no tienes idea de cuanto me has ayudado, mañana voy al AGN a checar
> esos registros, hoy consegui el de Rodolfo Vergara, Hijo de Jose Dolores
> Vergara y Pilar Rodriguez, mañana te paso los datos, afortunadamente el
> parroco que hizo esos registros escribe bien bonito y claro, tambien tenemos
> suerte de que este muy bien microfilmados los archivos de Zapotlan (que es
> lo mismo que Cd. Guzman), espero conseguir mas de ahi, tu informacion me va
> a servir muchisimo
> Creo q vas bien porque los medina me han dicho que tenemos familia en
> Sayula.
>
> Muchas Gracias
> Mañana te aviso y te paso la info q encuentre
>
>
>
> 2009/1/8 leticia reynoso
>
>
>> Hola Raty en Zapotlan Jalisco parece que el único matrimonio posible es
>> Jose Dolores Vergara y Pilar Rodriguez (casados el 24 de feb 1872)
>> desgraciadamente sus registros solo alcanzan hasta 1873, hijos:
>>
>> Maria columba 1872 ,Jose maximiano de jesus 1874, Ricardo ( que fué
>> gemelo
Querida Paty me tienes alagada..lastima que mi suerte para encontrat ajenos no aplica para mis propias lineas sniff,sniff
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mira, ahorita estoy organizandome para ir mañana al archivo, si quieres q te
busque alguno donde estes atorada, aprovecha la oportunidad, es lo menos que
puedo hacer por ti.
Tu donde vives y como le hiciste para sacar toda la info de los mios, te
juro que ya habia pasado como mil veces por el family search y no encontre
nada, me has abierto las puertas.
Saludos.
Paty
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:11 PM, leticia reynoso wrote:
>
> Querida Paty me tienes alagada..lastima que mi suerte para encontrat ajenos
> no aplica para mis propias lineas sniff,sniff
>
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Yo vivo en el estado de mexico y solo me meti a Familysearch pero me he vuelto muy mañosa..pones en IGI advanced search y pones Vergara y te salen todos luego abres la pagina que dice abajo de search pilot research y haces lo mismo pero vas eliminando las opciones primero de lugar luego de fechas y si es necesario hasta de género.. en el segundo es padre porque te aparecen todos los archivos no nada mas IGI sino el otro donde genneralmente apuntan hasta los papas y abuelos asi que vas comparando los datos y si te sale una gregoria sin apellido mas adelante puedes ver a un hermano que tenga los nombres completos de los papas o uno de ellos y el lugar eso te salva cuando se cambian de ciudad o estado y luego lo checas en la pagina de family pero la vieja y ahi te aparece mas completo pero ya sabes lo que estás buscando.. y Voilá.. yo llevo casi 10 años atorada hasta que pusieron esa maravillosa pagina piloto que te ayuda a develar de 1800 a 1920 mas o menos... pero hay lineas las mas
Vivo en el d.f. y voy al archivo general de la nacion, yo pense que iba a
ser un relajo, pero es muy comodo, no esta en mero centro, esta al lado de
la TAPO, llegas en coche, lo metes al estacionamiento (que esta vacio), el
primer dia tienes q tramitar una credencial de investigador, muy facil y
listo, vas, pides los microfilms y a buscar, luego pides q te los impriman.
pagas las copias $2 y ya
El lugar esta vacio, es muy comodo de trabajar, pero necesitas paciencia ya
q los numeros de batch no te sirven para nada, tienes que buscar por
parroquia, a mi me divierte mucho
Si quieres ir un dia, nos ponemos de acuerdo.
2009/1/8 leticia reynoso
>
> Yo vivo en el estado de mexico y solo me meti a Familysearch pero me he
> vuelto muy mañosa..pones en IGI advanced search y pones Vergara y te salen
> todos luego abres la pagina que dice abajo de search pilot research y haces
> lo mismo pero vas eliminando las opciones primero de lugar luego de fechas y
> si es necesario hasta de género
Dame tus datos
nombre, fecha, parroquia y bueno, los datos del familysearch y mañana te
traigo la info
2009/1/8 patty haro
> Vivo en el d.f. y voy al archivo general de la nacion, yo pense que iba a
> ser un relajo, pero es muy comodo, no esta en mero centro, esta al lado de
> la TAPO, llegas en coche, lo metes al estacionamiento (que esta vacio), el
> primer dia tienes q tramitar una credencial de investigador, muy facil y
> listo, vas, pides los microfilms y a buscar, luego pides q te los impriman.
> pagas las copias $2 y ya
> El lugar esta vacio, es muy comodo de trabajar, pero necesitas paciencia ya
> q los numeros de batch no te sirven para nada, tienes que buscar por
> parroquia, a mi me divierte mucho
>
> Si quieres ir un dia, nos ponemos de acuerdo.
>
> 2009/1/8 leticia reynoso
>
>
>> Yo vivo en el estado de mexico y solo me meti a Familysearch pero me he
>> vuelto muy mañosa..pones en IGI advanced search y pones Vergara y te salen
>> todos luego abres la pagina que dice
estaria muy padre encargar a mis monstruos para poder ir al archivo oye y si vas te puedo pedir 3 matrimonios? tal vez en el acta diga el nombre de los abuelos o papas..
Eberardo Coronado ( tal vez Ibarra) hermano o primo de Wenceslao y jovita Coronado Nuñoemma de los Dolores carolina
Gutierrez Coronado +
1912 tequila jalisco o guadalajara Juan Gutierrez ( yo digo que es Gtz. moreno)
Maria Gutierrez Rada + (24 jul 1875) nuestra señora de guadalupe, Guadalajara
(Maria Andrea guadalupe Gutierrez Rada)
nace 5 dic 1881 santuario de Guadalupe ( tal vez Maria) Josefa Rada
Sayula jalisco
los papas de Josefa Rada son lo que mas me interesa en la vida pues era Judia y quiero
todavia no he sacado de matrimonios, pero de lo que si estoy segura es q en
los de bautizo con un poco de suerte vienen los nombres de los padres y los
abuelos, maternos y paternos y sus origenes, igual y te sirvan mas
Asi que si tienes fechas de nacimiento o bautizo pasamelas de una vez.
2009/1/8 leticia reynoso
>
> estaria muy padre encargar a mis monstruos para poder ir al archivo oye y
> si vas te puedo pedir 3 matrimonios? tal vez en el acta diga el nombre de
> los abuelos o papas..
>
> Eberardo Coronado ( tal
> vez Ibarra) hermano o primo de Wenceslao y jovita Coronado Nuñoemma de los
> Dolores carolina
> Gutierrez Coronado +
> 1912 tequila jalisco o guadalajara
> Juan Gutierrez ( yo digo que es Gtz. moreno)
>
> Maria Gutierrez Rada
> + (24 jul 1875) nuestra señora de guadalupe, Guadalajara
>
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:27:00 -0600> From: pattyharo@gmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Vergara Medina ,ayuda en jalisco porfa> > todavia no he sacado de matrimonios, pero de lo que si estoy segura es q en> los de bautizo con un poco de suerte vienen los nombres de los padres y los> abuelos, maternos y paternos y sus origenes, igual y te sirvan mas> > Asi que si tienes fechas de nacimiento o bautizo pasamelas de una vez.> > > > > 2009/1/8 leticia reynoso > > >> > estaria muy padre encargar a mis monstruos para poder ir al archivo oye y> > si vas te puedo pedir 3 matrimonios? tal vez en el acta diga el nombre de> > los abuelos o papas..> >> > Eberardo Coronado ( tal> > vez Ibarra) hermano o primo de Wenceslao y jovita Coronado Nuño
> > Emma de los Dolores carolina > > Gutierrez Coronado +> > 1912 tequila jalisco o guadalajara> > Juan Gutierrez ( yo digo que es Gtz. moreno) 17 jul 1825 cienega de mata> >> > Maria Gutierrez Rada> > + (24
Hola Leticia .
Yo vivo en el sur del estado de California EEUU y estoy como a quince minutos de un centro historico y se me fasilita el ir a revisar los microfilms ,y guardar la informacion ,para despues revisarla en casa con mas cuidado, cuenta con mi ayuda en lo que pueda ,en este momento he habanzado en mi linea directa hasta el año 1650 y todo documentado gracias a Dios .tengo a mi disposision Microfilms de San Cristobal de La Barranca Jalisco,Mezquital del Oro Zac,Cuquio Jalisco,Yahualica Jalisco,Nochistlan Zac,Tepechitlan Zac. Jerez Zac. si en estos pueblos hay alguno de tus ancestros dime el nombre y la fecha y te prometo que boy hacer lo posible por buscarlo.y mandartelo.
Saludos Jose Luis Felix > From: siriuslr@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:32:59 -0600> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Familia Vergara Medina> > > Yo vivo en el estado de mexico y solo me meti a Familysearch pero me he vuelto muy mañosa..pones en IGI advanced search y
Jose Luis,en este mundo que tenemos lleno de violencia y desamor, lo único que podemos hacer es ayudarnos unos a otros por eso cada vez que veo a alguien perdido o pidiendo un informe lo menos que puedo hacer es tratar de ayudarlo si es que puedo,..no puedo evitarlo y no es que sea muy buena sino es algo como " pay it forward..." asi que si me echas la mano de verdad no sabes la ayudadota que me darías.. por la intencion realmente gracias...Leticia Reynoso
P.D.
en el mensaje anterior le mando los datos a Paty haro Te llagan a ti también verdad?
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Hello my name is Maria and I am new to the program.
I have a question. I am searching for my great great grand parent from which I think they were born in Matansas Jalisco which they would be registered in Ojuelos De Jalsico. I think my great great grandparents were born around 1888 their names are as follow.
Alicia, that was really nice, and these are the same feelings I have
when researching. Every little tidbit of new information about my
ancestors gets me motivated.
Gilbert Paez-Austin, TX
Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List
Alicia,
Your rumination was great; it speaks for all of us. Well put.
Thanks,
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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From: Gilbert Paez
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:49 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alicia Carrillo's thoughts
Alicia, that was really nice, and these are the same feelings I have
when researching. Every little tidbit of new information about my
ancestors gets me motivated.
Gilbert Paez-Austin, TX
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Our stories and how we got here (Joseph Puentes)
2. Our stories and how we got here (Alicia Carrillo)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:33:14 -0500
From: Joseph Puentes >
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Our stories and how we got here
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Welester was kind enough to send me a disk with batch numbers for Mexico
via Esther Herold (thanks everyone). Note that the batch number that
have ** next to them are probably not going to work. Does anyone know
Most FHC threw out old fische. My local FHC still has some old fische. I will also check out.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes : --------------
>
> Welester was kind enough to send me a disk with batch numbers for Mexico
> via Esther Herold (thanks everyone). Note that the batch number that
> have ** next to them are probably not going to work. Does anyone know
> why these don't work and what happened to those batch numbers. Seems
> that if they were existent at one time they still might be available
> some place. Possibly on an older pre 1988 version of the IGI. Is that
> only to be found on Fiche somewhere or is it no existent? The fiche
> found in todays FHC what is the date of the IGI? I've been told but I
> can't remember right now.
>
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/RANCHOS/BatchNumbers/Jalisco.pdf
>
> thanks
>
> joseph
>
> ====================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http
Hi there Joseph ,
I'll ask around here and see what I can come up with , I'm still trying to get the protocols from Zacatecas , wish me luck !
Welester> > Welester was kind enough to send me a disk with batch numbers for Mexico > via Esther Herold (thanks everyone). Note that the batch number that > have ** next to them are probably not going to work. Does anyone know > why these don't work and what happened to those batch numbers. Seems > that if they were existent at one time they still might be available > some place. Possibly on an older pre 1988 version of the IGI. Is that > only to be found on Fiche somewhere or is it no existent? The fiche > found in todays FHC what is the date of the IGI? I've been told but I > can't remember right now.> >
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Lester,
Are the documents for the Nuevo Leon protocolos complete documents??? It doesn't look like the documents from Saltillo are complete documents but extracts. Is a correct assumption? It also looks like the testamentos from Saltillo were not included.
Thanks again.
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> Hi there Joseph ,
>
> I'll ask around here and see what I can come up with , I'm still trying to get
> the protocols from Zacatecas , wish me luck !
>
> Welester> > Welester was kind enough to send me a disk with batch numbers for
> Mexico > via Esther Herold (thanks everyone). Note that the batch number that >
> have ** next to them are probably not going to work. Does anyone know > why
> these don't work and what happened to those batch numbers. Seems > that if they
> were existent at one time they still might be available > some place. Possibly
> on an older pre 1988 version of the IGI. Is that > only to
Esther,
I sent you all that I have as of yet , it could that you're right . I will look into it but , give me some time , OK.
Welester,> > Are the documents for the Nuevo Leon protocolos complete documents??? It doesn't look like the documents from Saltillo are complete documents but extracts. Is a correct assumption? It also looks like the testamentos from Saltillo were not included.> > Thanks again.> --> Esther A. Herold>
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I have a question. I am searching for my great great grand parent from
which I think they were born in Matansas Jalisco which they would be
registered in Ojuelos De Jalsico. I think my great great grandparents
were born around 1888 their names are as follow.
Jose Refugio Cortez -married to Alejandra Hernandez--------- Son was
Antonio Cortez Hernandez born in 1909 who is my grandfather
Lorenzo Alvarado---married to Francisca Ortiz ----------- Daughter was
Ma Manuela Alvarado Ortiz which was my grandmother
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Hello-
I am researching my maternal line and have hit a road block. Does anyone have this book mentioned above? My library will not do aninterlibrary loan and I think it could really help.
Right now I am looking for the parents of:
Hello Miri, excuse me for my english. I´m Mexican and my english is not good.
I have published this document
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16668
One of my great great great .... great grand father was: Andres Ignacio de la Trinidad Cuéllar Figueroa (Son of Cristhobal Trinidad Cuéllar y Gonzalez and Maria Ignacia de Figueroa) was christened on 7 Dec 1759 in San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico.
Andres married Clara Rafaela Gonzalez on 31 Aug 1780 in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
In am not shure if Andres is brother of Antonio de San Buenaventura de la Santisima Trinidad. I think son because the dates of both marriages are very nearly.
And both places Aguascalientes and Encarnación de Diás Jal are very nearly too.
I am very interesting to exchange with you information about the line Cuellar Figueroa.
Thanks in advance. I can write better in spanish.
happy new year.
Juan J. Cuellar
Celaya Mex
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To
Miri,
You can order the microfilm, 0299830 which is the marriages for 1772-1777
for Aguascalientes. Through your local Family History Center. It does have
the marriage entry for ANTONIO BUENA VENTURA DE CUELLAR & JOSSEFA MARCELA
Leticia, Alessandro, Steve
--- On Sun, 1/4/09, Xevilla wrote:
From: Xevilla
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Leticia, Alessandro, Steve
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Thank you Francisco, I will let you know, Have a Happy New Year!
--- El dom 4-ene-09, francisco sevilla escribió:
De:: francisco sevilla
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fw: Leticia, Alessandro, Steve
A: "ranchos organization"
Fecha: domingo, 4 enero, 2009, 8:21 pm
Leticia, Alessandro, Steve
--- On Sun, 1/4/09, Xevilla wrote:
From: Xevilla
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Leticia, Alessandro, Steve
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 6:17 PM
Searching Google Earth I came upon the satellite vision/map of Zacoalco de
Torres Jalisco and surrounding areas.
Also having contact with someone who regularly emails slides/pictures to me if
you would like me to forward these slides let me know.
which date would you post in your records for a marriage, the civil record if it appears dated first or the church date if you have it? I've been told that parents did not consider their children married until it was done in the church and they were not allowed to live together until the church marriage. I would imagine there were couples who could not marry in the church but could have a civil marriage. What have other members of the group found?
My mexican friends tell me that, no, they would not live together until after a church ceremony and that church marriages were not recognized as leagal by the government. Then somewhere I read that many times children were not baptized until later on when a priest could come to their town. I can imagine that this may have been true of marriages also. Just a thought. Anita
--- On Sun, 1/4/09, longsjourney wrote:
> From: longsjourney
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] civil and church marriages
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 4:30 PM
> which date would you post in your records for a marriage,
> the civil record if it appears dated first or the church
> date if you have it? I've been told that parents did
> not consider their children married until it was done in the
> church and they were not allowed to live together until the
> church marriage. I would imagine there were couples who
> could not marry in the church but could have a civil
I thought you'd might enjoy reading this article on our heritage
Yolanda
--- On Wed, 12/24/08, yotomas@yahoo.com wrote:
From: yotomas@yahoo.com
Subject: O holy fiesta! A Mexican Christmas Eve
Thanks Yolanda,
This brought back many memories of the way it used to be when we were kids and while it never was this large, there was a semblance of these traditions, the rosary, the misa de gallo, as in midnight mass, and what felt like millions of tamales and people be it friends or family, comadres, compadres and tios and tias politicas. This article is correct in that what you exchanged was not gifts but food, drink and friendship.
Alicia,
San Jose, Calif
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From: Yolanda Edwards-Guerra
To: Nuestros Ranchos
Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 12:56:46 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fw: O holy fiesta! A Mexican Christmas Eve
I thought you'd might enjoy reading this article on our heritage
Yolanda
--- On Wed, 12/24/08, yotomas@yahoo.com wrote:
From: yotomas@yahoo.com
Subject: O holy fiesta! A Mexican Christmas Eve
To: yotomas@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 8:22 PM
This story was sent to you by: yotomas@yahoo.com
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I noticed a few of us with roots in Teocaltiche, Jalisco. I visited Teocaltiche in 1998. I visited with the local cronista, Senor Rameriz, the uncle of author Nicolas De anda Sanchez.
I have been going through the IGI and ordering films, but having a difficult time getting pass my great-grandfather Mauro Rodriguez.
Sylvia,
I don't know if anyone has responded to you, but I am very interested in
hooking up with other people who are descendents from the Teocaltiche
region. I have traced my history back to 1805 to Teocaltiche, but family
records are few. I think it's because my family was new to Teocaltiche
around this time frame. I need to order more films to see if I can get any
clues as to where they came from. I would be really interested in migration
patterns to Teocaltiche.
Anyway, you can email me offline if you wish: vrahorn@wydebeam.com.
Thanks!
Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
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From: "SylviaRodriguezRobles"
To:
Sent: 11 December, 2008 17:29
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Teocaltiche,Jalisco
>
> I noticed a few of us with roots in Teocaltiche, Jalisco. I visited
> Teocaltiche in 1998. I visited with the local cronista, Senor Rameriz,
> the uncle of author Nicolas De anda Sanchez.
>
> I have been going through the IGI and ordering films, but having a
>
Hello Veronica and Sylvia,
I have family roots in Teocaltiche as well. I was recently reunited
with a 5th cousin through this forum! He has done a great deal of
research into our family which was in Teocaltiche for several
generations and appear to have been in San Juan de Los Lagos before
that.
You are welcome to email me directly as well.
Esperanza Pallana
epallana@sonic.net
On Jan 3, 2009, at 6:06 PM, "Veronica Rahorn"
wrote:
> Sylvia,
> I don't know if anyone has responded to you, but I am very
> interested in hooking up with other people who are descendents from
> the Teocaltiche region. I have traced my history back to 1805 to
> Teocaltiche, but family records are few. I think it's because my
> family was new to Teocaltiche around this time frame. I need to
> order more films to see if I can get any clues as to where they came
> from. I would be really interested in migration patterns to
> Teocaltiche.
>
> Anyway, you can email me offline if you wish
HAPPY NEW YEAR! I hope your new year will be filled with rewarding family research.
I was going through some old (really OLD) email messages this morning - the "Ancestry.com" newsletter that I had been ignoring for quite some time, and came across a reference to this site:
Happy Holidays to all:
I have a civil marriage record from Distrito Federal, Mexico dated 07 Jan 1917 and I am unable to translate two statements. “En la casa no 94 de la oclava del Reloj el Sr Pbro D.J. Guadalupe Chavez, V.P. asistio a siete de enero de mil novecientos diecisiete al matrimonio que in extremis (or fue in extremis) contrajeron Juan Breña y Ma Gonzalez fueron testigos Francisco y Ana Breña “
Hey Anna I think it is misspelled I think it is "en la Octava del Reloj", I
have seen it before, they used to refer at the time like that back then, it
means "At the Eight on the Clock" (8:00 O'Clock) and in extremis is a latin
phrase , that means "in the furthest reaches" or "at the point of death",
generally referring to grave or exceptional circumstances.
Probably this weeding was in the partcipant's house and under extreme
circumstances maybe one of them or maybe both were very ill and the priest
had to celebrate the ceremony at the address..
Regarding the Callejon del indio address I have no idea I'll see what I can
find and let you know..
Regards...
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From: "anna1m"
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:33 AM
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Distrito Federal, Mexico Civil Record
translation
>
> Happy Holidays to all:
>
> I have a civil marriage record from Distrito Federal, Mexico dated 07 Jan
> 1917 and I am unable
Estimada Anita:
La calle del Reloj (también escrita Relox), corresponde a una parte de la actual calle de República Argentina. Sin embargo, los tramos no coinciden exactamente porque la división que tenían en su origen es un tanto compleja.
Si tú me autorizas, te puedo enviar por partes un ensayo histórico acerca de esa parte de la ciudad de México escrito en la década de los veinte, cuando era muy reciente el cambio de la nomenclatura.
Saludos afectuosos,
Víctor Manuel Ortiz Martínez
Yes I concour with Victor, they might be talking about "La Calle del Reloj"
as weel. That is , as Victor quotes, a part in the currently called
"Republica Argentina" Street, by the position in the phrase is not very
clear if they are still reffering to the location or the time, I think you
should send a copy of the "Acta" to the group maybe we can make that clear
just by reading it..
Regards
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From: "vmom"
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:52 PM
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] La octava del Reloj.
>
> Estimada Anita:
>
> La calle del Reloj (también escrita Relox), corresponde a una parte de la
> actual calle de República Argentina. Sin embargo, los tramos no coinciden
> exactamente porque la división que tenían en su origen es un tanto
> compleja.
> Si tú me autorizas, te puedo enviar por partes un ensayo histórico acerca
> de esa parte de la ciudad de México escrito en la década de los veinte,
> cuando era muy
Yes, thank you. I can scan the document and post it. Where would you suggest I post it. Anita
--- On Wed, 12/31/08, Francisco Romo wrote:
> From: Francisco Romo
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] La octava del Reloj.
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 12:05 PM
> Yes I concour with Victor, they might be talking about
> "La Calle del Reloj" as weel. That is , as Victor
> quotes, a part in the currently called "Republica
> Argentina" Street, by the position in the phrase is not
> very clear if they are still reffering to the location or
> the time, I think you should send a copy of the
> "Acta" to the group maybe we can make that clear
> just by reading it..
>
> Regards
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "vmom"
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:52 PM
> To:
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] La octava del Reloj.
>
> >
> > Estimada Anita:
> >
> > La calle del Reloj (también escrita Relox),
> corresponde a una
Well you can send it to us by our personal email....
I suggest you wait a little longer, to see if anyone else wants to help.
Saludos!!!
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From: "Anita Morales"
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 2:01 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] La octava del Reloj.
> Yes, thank you. I can scan the document and post it. Where would you
> suggest I post it. Anita
>
>
> --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Francisco Romo wrote:
>
>> From: Francisco Romo
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] La octava del Reloj.
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 12:05 PM
>> Yes I concour with Victor, they might be talking about
>> "La Calle del Reloj" as weel. That is , as Victor
>> quotes, a part in the currently called "Republica
>> Argentina" Street, by the position in the phrase is not
>> very clear if they are still reffering to the location or
>> the time, I think you should send a copy of the
>> "Acta" to the group
Señor Victor: Muchas gracias por su informacion. Si me hace favor escribame a: aamorales42@yahoo.com. Anita
--- On Wed, 12/31/08, vmom wrote:
> From: vmom
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] La octava del Reloj.
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 11:52 AM
> Estimada Anita:
>
> La calle del Reloj (también escrita Relox), corresponde a
> una parte de la actual calle de República Argentina. Sin
> embargo, los tramos no coinciden exactamente porque la
> división que tenían en su origen es un tanto compleja.
> Si tú me autorizas, te puedo enviar por partes un ensayo
> histórico acerca de esa parte de la ciudad de México
> escrito en la década de los veinte, cuando era muy reciente
> el cambio de la nomenclatura.
>
> Saludos afectuosos,
>
> Víctor Manuel Ortiz Martínez
Dear Francisco, thanks for your input, this makes more sense as he died in 1917 according to her later statement. Anita
--- On Wed, 12/31/08, Francisco Romo wrote:
> From: Francisco Romo
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Distrito Federal, Mexico Civil Record translation
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 10:43 AM
> Hey Anna I think it is misspelled I think it is "en la
> Octava del Reloj", I have seen it before, they used to
> refer at the time like that back then, it means "At the
> Eight on the Clock" (8:00 O'Clock) and in extremis
> is a latin phrase , that means "in the furthest
> reaches" or "at the point of death",
> generally referring to grave or exceptional circumstances.
> Probably this weeding was in the partcipant's house and
> under extreme circumstances maybe one of them or maybe both
> were very ill and the priest had to celebrate the ceremony
> at the address..
> Regarding the Callejon del indio address I have no idea
> I'll
I am wondering if anybody has any ties to the Mora family from Ocotlan. I have Jose Antonio Mora born in Ocotlan 1806. Parents were Rafael Mora and Gertrudis Baca. I found a Jose Rafael Mora born in 1786 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, but I haven't been able to confirm if it's the correct Jose Rafael Mora. I was wondering if any members have any Mora line tying into the southern end of Jalisco. Jose Antonio Mora married Trinidad Villaroel of Atotonilco el alto, Jalisco in 1826 in Ocotlan. Please if anyone has any information would they reply it would be greatly appreciated.
Hola Daniel
Muchos de mis antepasados son originarios de Tecolotlán y tengo registrada a María Rosa Mora quien se casó con Pedro José Baldés quienes tuvieron a María Luisa Baldés Mora quien se casó con José María Santana o Santa anna Ramírez el 5 de mayo de 1810.
Josefa Mora se casó con Thomas Santa Anna y tuvieron a Jose Tiburcio Santa Ana Mora quien se casó con María Salomé Cobian en 13 junio de 1802 también en Tecolotlán.
Espero que esta información sea de ayuda. Saludos.
Blanca Isabel Guerrero Santana.
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LUISA LOSANO GONSALES Pedigree
Luisa lozano was chistening in el sagrario aguascalientes,but tepatitlan jalisco was part of aguascalientes for few years, that means that she was chritening in what is now tepatitlan.
Luisa Lozano fue bautizada en el sagrario aguascalienres, pero tepatitlan jalisco fue parte ecleciasticamente de aguascalientes por corto tiempo, eso quiere decir que ella fue bautizada en lo que ahora es tepatitlan.
Ruben Casillas M.
--- El vie 26-dic-08, John Inclan escribió:
> De:: John Inclan
> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luisa Lozano
> A: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Fecha: viernes, 26 diciembre, 2008, 1:21 pm
> IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International
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> ________________________________
>
>
> LUISA LOSANO GONSALES Pedigree
> Female
>
>
> ________________________________
> Event(s):
> Birth:
> Christening: 27 DEC 1645 El Sagrario,
> Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes
Rubén,
Luisa Lozano González (aka Luisa de Rodas) was baptized at the parish church in Aguascalientes on 27 Dec 1645. Her godparents were Juan de Araisa y Medina and Luisa the Araisa (his daughter) both local residents of Aguascalientes. She was not baptized in Tepatitlán. Incidentally, according to reliable Catholic church authorities in Aguascalientes, the "Parroquia de la Asunción" has never been known as "Parroquia del Sagrario". Apparently, the misunderstanding originated in the 1960s when the books were microfilmed by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I plan to post some information on this confusing subject sometime next year. Luisa Lozano was named Luisa after her maternal grandmother Luisa de Rodas, and in some documents she appears under her grandmother's name.
Francisco Casillas Cabrera married Luisa Lozano in Aguascalientes on 1 May 1669. It was customary in those days to hold the wedding at the bride's hometown. Luisa's parents were Jacinto
I was thinking aloud when I wrote "Juan de Araisa y Medina and Luisa the Araisa" instead of "Juan de Araisa y Medina and Luisa de Araisa" in my previous email. Sorry. If anyone is interested, I can post a Spanish version of my message.
Hola compañeros, desde hace varios días que se encuentra en el foro discuciones e información sobre personas de apellido Quezada; y hoy me di a la tarea de buscar a todas las personas Quezada que tengo en mi base de datos y que no les he podido seguir la línea.
Hello Jorge
I have Juana Maria Quesada who was the wife of Salvadore de Escoto. She was buried 7 Feb 1730, Aguascalientes, AGS. I know of these children:
1. Franca. Xabiela Escoto Cuesada, chr. 31 Dec 1719, El Sagrario, Aguascalientes
2. Ysidra Maria Escoto Quesada, chr. 13 Jun 1721, El Sagrario, Aguascalientes
3. Maria MIchaela Escoto, born abt 1725, married 13 May 1750, Jose Francisco Cordova
4. Anna de Escoto, married Joseph Alexandro Duron, 3 Jun 1751
George Fulton
I just learned the www.familytreedna.com has a December sale on at least some of their test kits when purchased through one of the projects (you can generally fit yourself into one of the posted projects. There is a Mexican Surname Project and lots of specific surname and geographic projects.) The Y-DNA37w/ mtDNAPlus kit is $199 (I paid over $300), and the Y-67DNAw/mtDNAPlus kit is $308. I don't know what the latter one was before, but that represents a good savings. I only wish I had known about their apparently traditional December-only sales.
John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@verizon.net.
Before you take advantage of the "sale" mentioned in the message below, I
suggest you look into getting your DNA analyzed by other labs for a more
reasonable cost.
I paid $ 129 for a 37 marker Y-DNA analysis from GeneTree, it could be $149
by now, but that is still a bargain compared with other labs.
I belong to Haplogroup E--M96, Subgroup : E1b1b1-M35. It is the third most
frequent haplogroup in Europe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "RaquelRuiz"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 20:35
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] dna testing
>
> I just learned the www.familytreedna.com has a December sale on at least
> some of their test kits when purchased through one of the projects (you
> can generally fit yourself into one of the posted projects. There is a
> Mexican Surname Project and lots of specific surname and geographic
> projects.) The Y-DNA37w/ mtDNAPlus kit is $199 (I paid over $300), and the
> Y-67DNAw/mtDNAPlus kit is $308.
I really recommend dna testing for anyone that is serious.
Casillas- R1b Celtic
Alvarez = I1a Viking/nordic
Ramirez= J2f1 Adriatic
Also native maternal D
One pitfall not fall into is for those of you that get a J with hits in the Jewish groups, the percentage chance of you being Jewish with a cohen modal group is very very low. Check Wikipedia for an incredible explanation to the percentage changes. So don't trade in those sombreros for a yamaca! Most likely you are a true Latino of Roman or Medittereanena descent.
My Romero's are J2b1 from Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco. No matches
yet. It will interesting to see if our line can be traced back to
either Greece, Iran, or the Converso's of Spain. I haven't
researched prior to 1820 in Tepatitlan yet. It's slow going when you
don't read or speak Spanish.
Linda
On Dec 24, 2008, at 5:00 PM,
> I really recommend dna testing for anyone that is serious.
>
> Casillas- R1b Celtic
> Alvarez = I1a Viking/nordic
> Ramirez= J2f1 Adriatic
>
> Also native maternal D
>
> One pitfall not fall into is for those of you that get a J with
> hits in the Jewish groups, the percentage chance of you being
> Jewish with a cohen modal group is very very low. Check Wikipedia
> for an incredible explanation to the percentage changes. So don't
> trade in those sombreros for a yamaca! Most likely you are a true
> Latino of Roman or Medittereanena descent.
>
>
>
Hola a Todos:
Gracias a Jorge Luis por contestarme, aqui comento lo siguiente:
En mensajes atras Jorge Luis mando la reproduccion de lo que parece
ser el retrato del Alarife Martin Casillas, constructor de la Santa Catedral
Que tal yo tengo una copia de la pintura de Martin Casillas...
Si gustan una copia por favor mandemen un mensaje...
Hello, I have a copy of the painting of Martin Casillas
If you like one, please send me a message
yo vengo de Martín igualmente y gustaría una copia de la pintura si es posible. Gracias!
-Daniel Méndez del Camino
mi correo electrónico: mendezdelcamino@live.com
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Recomiendo que hablen con Ruben Casillas miembro del grupo. El hablo con el Licenciado Mariano Gonzalez Leal personalmente y parece que el tiene reservaciones que esa pintura se actualmente de Martin casillas
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel M�ndez del Camino
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pintura
yo vengo de Martín igualmente y gustaría una copia de la pintura si es posible. Gracias!
-Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Hola a Todos, yo tengo la pintura del Alarife, si la quieren se las mando,pero segun Don Mariano Gonzalez Leal (personal mente me lo dijo) la pintura es un montaje, el marco pudiera ser de 1600 y la pintura de 1700. quien esta en la foto? pudiese ser El Alarife o quisa no.
Ruben Casillas M.
--- El mar 23-dic-08, Miggy GUTIERREZ escribió:
> De:: Miggy GUTIERREZ
> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pintura
> A: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Fecha: martes, 23 diciembre, 2008, 10:36 pm
> Recomiendo que hablen con Ruben Casillas miembro del grupo.
> El hablo con el Licenciado Mariano Gonzalez Leal
> personalmente y parece que el tiene reservaciones que esa
> pintura se actualmente de Martin casillas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel M�ndez del
> Camino
> To:
> general@nuestrosranchos.org
>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pintura
>
>
>
> yo vengo de Martín igualmente y gustaría una copia de
> la pintura si es
A mi me gustaria recibir la pintura, por favor. Gracias!
I'd like to get5 a coppy of the picture, please. Thank you!> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: actapatio2007@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:28:46 -0800> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pintura> > > Que tal yo tengo una copia de la pintura de Martin Casillas...> > Si gustan una copia por favor mandemen un mensaje...> > Hello, I have a copy of the painting of Martin Casillas> If you like one, please send me a message> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Greetings,
My GEDCOM is now available under Aaron Casillas.
Notables =
1) Martin "Alarife" Casillas
a) Spainard who built the Cathedral in Guadalajara, according to Jose Alberto Casillas, related to Viceroy Mendoza
Hola Jorge Luis,
Yo solamente tengo informacion de mi familia Quezada de approx. 1860 al presente.? Tengo mucho mas que investigar.?
Marisela
Fresno, California
-----Original Message-----
Rudy and Esperanza,? my ancestors are Quesadas from the Teocaltiche, Jalisco area also.? My great-grandfather was Emigdio Quezada and his parents were Jose Guadalupe Quezada and Gregoria Martinez.? I don't have birthdates for Jose or Gregoria.? Does this help any of you???? Do you have any dates for your Quesadas???
Hello Marisela, Sorry, I do not have these names in my database. My Quesada information is from Teocalitiche area from about 1772 to about 1791. Your Quesadas are proably from a later period I am guessing. Chances are, there is a connection but I have not expanded this family branch yet. Maybe in a couple of months things may change. This is what I have: Maria Gertrudis Quesada (b-abt 1791) daughter of Antonio Quesada & Anna Maria Aguilera married 03/02/1772 in Teocaltiche. Hope this helps!
Rudy Munoz - Phoenix Arizona
---- hmtsam@aol.com wrote:
> Rudy and Esperanza,? my ancestors are Quesadas from the Teocaltiche, Jalisco area also.? My great-grandfather was Emigdio Quezada and his parents were Jose Guadalupe Quezada and Gregoria Martinez.? I don't have birthdates for Jose or Gregoria.? Does this help any of you???? Do you have any dates for your Quesadas???
>
> Keeping my fingers crossed. . .
> Marisela
> Fresno, California
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----
Hello Rudy...... I have connection with the Quesada.....Do you know if this
Antonio Quesada is son of Antonio Quesada and Ana Maria Chavez they married
in Teocaltiche in 1758?
Regards
Cristobal
-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de
rmunoz18@cox.net
Enviado el: Jueves, 18 de Diciembre de 2008 08:50 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
CC: hmtsam@aol.com
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Macias and Limon in Teocaltiche
Hello Marisela, Sorry, I do not have these names in my database. My
Quesada information is from Teocalitiche area from about 1772 to about 1791.
Your Quesadas are proably from a later period I am guessing. Chances are,
there is a connection but I have not expanded this family branch yet. Maybe
in a couple of months things may change. This is what I have: Maria
Gertrudis Quesada (b-abt 1791) daughter of Antonio Quesada & Anna Maria
Aguilera married 03/02/1772 in
Hola A todos mis mejores deseos, Mi abuela fue Micaela Quesada islas Hija de Regino Quesada Velasco de Nochistlan es lo unico que he podido saber, si alguien sabe mas se lo agradecere.
Salkudos cordiales
Antonio Santillan Jauregui
Monterrey N.L.> From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:14:19 -0600> CC: hmtsam@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Macias and Limon in Teocaltiche> > Hello Rudy...... I have connection with the Quesada.....Do you know if this> Antonio Quesada is son of Antonio Quesada and Ana Maria Chavez they married> in Teocaltiche in 1758?> Regards> Cristobal> > -----Mensaje original-----> De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de> rmunoz18@cox.net> Enviado el: Jueves, 18 de Diciembre de 2008 08:50 p.m.> Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org> CC: hmtsam@aol.com> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Macias and Limon in Teocaltiche> > Hello Marisela, Sorry
Hello Cristobal, I have not ordered the marriage record for Antonio Quesada & Anna Maria Aguilera as of yet. This is as far as I have gone on the Quesada line. It it possible that Antonio's parents are Antonio Quesada and Ana Maria Chavez. I will update you if I get a match with your information.
Rudy Munoz - Phoenix, AZ
---- jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx wrote:
> Hello Rudy...... I have connection with the Quesada.....Do you know if this
> Antonio Quesada is son of Antonio Quesada and Ana Maria Chavez they married
> in Teocaltiche in 1758?
> Regards
> Cristobal
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de
> rmunoz18@cox.net
> Enviado el: Jueves, 18 de Diciembre de 2008 08:50 p.m.
> Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> CC: hmtsam@aol.com
> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Macias and Limon in Teocaltiche
>
> Hello Marisela, Sorry, I do not have these names in my database. My
>
Hola Amigos de Nuestros Ranchos:
Ayer tuve tiempo de leer los cuatro cuentos de la región de Jalisco, en los que indiscutiblemente se nota la influencia europea, lo que es lógico tratandose de Jalisco pues como todos sabemos es uno de los estados en el que se ha tratado de conservar la cultura y tradiciones españolas y de otros paises de Europa hasta nuestros días. Siendo mis antepasados maternos de Jalisco, he tenido la oportnidad de comparar las costumbres, tradiciones, literatura y hasta superticiones de decendientes de europeos y de indigenas, pues mis ascendientes paternos, aunque mestizos se consideran con orgullo de sangre azteca.
I haven't talked about this and I don't believe it has been addressed by
others. Please do not invite the nuestrosranchos.org group members
either as a whole (via the email discussion groups) or individually
th furniture. FREE to download & use! http://www.imvu.com Copyright © 2006-2007 IMVU, Inc.
I've just updated my file on Rootsweb.com. Most of the research in for the district of Jerez Zacatecas but there is also research from Tamazula and Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman Jalisco and then to Michoacan in the 1780's and earlier. The file is too large to post on Nuestros since there are abt 59,000 names. I hope there is something of interest there for many of you researching those areas.
Familia Vergara Medina