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I don't know about the poster, but there is a magazine with lots of pictures (it is possible to make a collage)

The magazine is artes de Mexico (pintura de castas)

https://catalogo.artesdemexico.com/productos/la-pintura-de-castas-agota…

I hope it helps

sus

I also see "turget"

so I looked it up and got this:

Verb
turget

third-person singular present active indicative of turgeō

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/turgeo#Latin

turgeō (present infinitive turgēre, perfect active tursī); second conjugation, no passive, no supine stem

I am swollen, swell out.
(figuratively) I swell (with rage); I am enraged.
(figuratively, of speech) I am inflated or bombastic.

~ Andrea

A Gonzalo Antunez se le embargan bienes y se le encarcela debido a una Real Cedula enviada al Virrey Fernandez de Cordoba, esta cédula indicaba que Gonzalo era portugués y había pasado "a esas partes" sin licencia, supongo se refiere a la Nueva España, ademas de ello, la cédula menciona que tenia 30 mil ducados en su caudal "mal habidos en lo uno y en lo otro y que por esto y ser portugues y haver pasado aestas ptes. sin licencia mia y no esta compuesto, tiene perdidos todos sus bienes conforme a lo dispuesto por cedula Rl." , no menciona otra cosa mas, ni da muestra de que haya presentado limpieza de sangre.

La cédula esta fechada en agosto de 1615, lo curioso es que el proceso donde se menciona que fue encarcelado que están en el AGN es de 1611.

Hay una concesión de licencia para pasar a Nueva España de un Gonzalo Antunez en 1633, pero ese Antunez declara ser soltero. INDIFERENTE,2077,N.228

En el libro "La emigración desde la España penínsular a Venezuela en los siglos XVI, XVII

The Antúnez de Portugal had some Jewish /conversó ancestors. Clara Antúnez, Diego Antúnez, Francisco Antúnez, and Manuel Antúnez were all placed under investigation by the inquisition for Jewish practices.

R.A. Ricci

Hola Diego,

Como familiar del Santo Oficio, habrá su informacion de genealogia en los archivos del mismo, pero no la he encontrado. Puedes buscarla en los registros en el primero rollo, entonces en el tomo correspondiente:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/31792?availability=Family%2…

Pero hay cuatro registros con su nombre, año de 1616, tratando de un proceso criminal en su contra (uf!). No sé de que se trata, pero lo pusieron preso y confiscaron sus bienes (!!!):

TOMO 312
1616 - Informacion sobre que Juan de Rivera puso preso a Gonzalo Antunes familiar del sto. oficio -fojas 293-299. 56
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-CJB9?i=312&cat=31…
1616- Aviso al Santo Oficio de que el Juez Juan Perez, de Patzcuaro, ha puesto preso al familiar Gonzalo Antunes Iañez, confiscando sus bienes - fojas 511. 82
1616 -Fray Diego Muñoz da parte al Santo Oficio de que el Juez Juan Perez, de Patzcuaro, ha puesto preso al familiar Gonzalo Antunes Iañez

Hey!

I would say it's definitely Hernando Hidalgo, but I wouldn't know about Vicenta. Because the last letter is definitely an e, and usually the spelling varies in b and v, s and c... but I haven't seen "Vicente" instead of "Vicenta". I agree that it looks more like Violante. I would also take into account that, by that time, a lot of last names are "de" something. My last name derives from "Sandoval" into "de Sandoval", and there is a funny space in there, so maybe the name ends with "n" and the last name is "de Nuñez"?

I agree with you on the Hernando but I think that Hernando’s wife’s name looks more like Violante to me.

Best,

Daniel Serna Valencia

Would the second marriage require a dispensa due to the Pulido line? If so you can look for that to help. Also, see if on the page where the first marriage entry is, if the records before or after it have the name teresa espinoza in them. I have seen scribes accidentally place names in the wrong record like they were copying from another piece of paper or something

Joseph,

I don't have anyone in Sierra Mojada, but I saw the map and Sierra Mojada is more less near Fuste, and I know the records from Fuste are in Cuatrocienega, and before that in Monclova.
I hope this helps.
I'm also looking in Coahuila

Susana

My GGM was born in Sierra Mojada. I don't think church records are up for this town. Luckily she was born in 1899 so I found the civil record. Sorry!

After taking another look at the subject of María de Islas I see there is still an issue that the parent(s) of María de Islas, wife of Cristóbal de Lozano Martínez, are not named in any document therefore we don't know how she was related to Benito de Islas.

The fact that there was a María de Islas that was the illegitimate daughter of Benito de Islas does not mean that she is the same person that was the wife of Cristóbal de Lozano Martínez. There could have been a 3rd María de Islas especially since it is possible that there were two Benito de Islas and that the first Benito had another son, or even a daughter, that then had another daughter also named María de Islas. We know that females were at times given the name of a female ancestor. Another possibility is that Benito married twice and Juana Navarro is the 2nd wife and there was another María de Islas with the first wife. We don't even have the marriage document or información matrimonial of Benito de Isla and Juana Navarro.

Excellent, thank you again Chris. I did find the dispensa since the posting. Is the will in Aguascalientes?

Susana,

Benito de Isla is the son of Bernardo de Isla and Magdalena Labezares. Benito de Isla's wife is probably Juana Navarro, probable daughter of Petronila de Moctezuma and Martin Navarro de Gabay. There is a Magdalena de Labezares, married to Francisco Gonzalez that is a legitimate daughter of Benito de Isla and a Maria de Isla, that's also a legitimate daughter of Benito de Isla, that's married to Captain Andres Martin de Sotomayor, not the Maria de Isla married to Cristobal Martin Lozano. This is proven by the testimony of Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava in this dispensa:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-X4SG-P

...que son bisnietos de dos hermanas que lo fueron doña María de Islas y doña Magdalena de Labezares quien tuvo por hijo a Bernardino de Islas y Bernardino de Islas a Nicolás de Dios Islas y Nicolás de Dios Islas tuvo por hija a María Catarina de Islas. Y de doña María de Islas tuvo por hija a Jacinta Martínez y Jacinta Martínez tuvo por hijo a Jacinto

Hola primo,

There are some military records available through FamilySearch. Here's a description and the link:

Microfilme de manuscritos en la Sección de Guerra Moderna del Archivo General de Simancas.

El Virreinato de la Nueva España en la era colonial comprendía los estados modernos de México; California, Nuevo México, y Tejas de los EE.UU.; y Filipinas.

Un índice alfabético por apellidos se ha publicado como Catálogo XXII del Archivo de Simancas, Secretaría de Guerra (Siglo XVIII), Hojas de Servicios de América (en la FHL es un libro con el número de clasificación EUROPE 946 M23e).

Spaniards in the Viceroyalty of New Spain (which included Mexico; California, New Mexico, and Texas of the USA; and the Philippines); military service records, 1786-1800. For a surname index to these records, refer to Catálogo XXII del Archivo de Simancas, Secretaría de Guerra (Siglo XVIII), Hojas de Servicios de América (Family History Library call no. EUROPE 946 M23e).

https://www.familysearch.org

It is not a common practice, and typically it is only seen in the older records. When a newborn child was perceived to be at risk of dying, and a priest was not nearby (rural areas) it was permissible to place holy water on the child and say some prescribed words to baptize the child. I have seen where the same person is performing the "conditional" baptism, so I assume that a few people from each rancho is selected and instructed by the parish priest on how to perform the act.

Saludos
Austin Pérez

Hello!

Right now I cannot see the image (it's not letting me open records), but I can think of two possible reasons. If there is a priest in the record, it could mean that Don Antonio Marmolejo presented the child to baptise because their parents were not available for whatever reason.

I assume there is no priest, so I would think the second reason: in Catholic religion, I understand that any person can baptise if the unbaptised person is dying. So perhaps the child (or adult even) was in grave danger or close to dying, and since they were unable to get them to the church in time they had to perform the baptism themselves, in order to save their soul (for if someoene dies unbaptised they can never enter Heaven).

Now, idk if there is another reason historically speaking. But religiously, I think this could be the case.

Hi Salvador, is this Francisco de Covarrubias related to the Covarrubias family of Los Altos? SO far I have the oldest one as Jose de Covarrubias born ca. 1655. who married Leonor Muñoz de Hermosillo. Do you have more info on this family?

-Daniel

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Hello Richard,

They are not yet available online due to contractual obligations with the owners of the original documents. (Mexican government and/or Catholic Church) I sent off a question to familysearch.org, using their help email address, and they mentioned something to that effect.

I'm anxiously waiting to get access to the second collection you mentioned, I have a LOT of Michoacan ancestors that I know will be contained in those documents.

Best,

Daniel Serna Valencia

Buen Dia Erik,

En mis datos tengo a Agustina de Tovar Orozco como hija de Tomas de Burgos Antolines y su esposa Maria de Orozco Tovar. Existe una dispensa matrimonial en donde nos aclara que Agustina tuvo un hermano, Marcos de Orozco:

Dispensa matrimonial de Juan Alonso Rodriguez de Guizar y Maria de Guadalupe Orozco - 15 de Abril de 1726 (Puruandiro, Michoacan)

Marcos de Orozco fue casado con Catalina de Bejines Romero por la informacion matrimonial dada por el casamiento de su hija Juana Bejines. Al principio de la informacion dada por el novio menciona que es hija de Marcos de Orozco de Burgos:

Informacion matrimonial de Antonio Perez de Garfias y Juana Bejines - 31 de Octubre de 1659 (Zamora, Michoacan)

La prueba mas importante sobre quienes fueron los padres de Agustina esta en un testimonio que dio Domingo de Guizar Guerrero sobre la capellania que mando fundar su suegro Tomas de Burgos Antolines:

...y tanbien sabe este testigo como persona que bive y paga el senso que

Estimado Erik:

Parece que el primer en usar el apellido Enríquez de Toledo eran en al fines del siglo XV, los hijos de Diego Enríquez, III conde de Alba de Liste casado en primer nupcias Aldonza Leonor Álvarez de Toledo, hija del famoso duque de Alba. Según una monografía que encontré (todavía no he terminado de revisar todo) tuvieron Enrique Enríquez, IV conde de Alba de Liste, por una razón lo más que estudio esta familia el condado de Alba de Liste no podía heredar las hembras. El otro hijo era Antonio Enríquez de Toledo, VI conde de Alba de Liste hubo gran endogamia en esta familia donde casa los tíos con sobrinas, sobrinos con tías que la sucesión de dicho condado era una locura llego a los primos Enríquez de Almanza parientes de los duques de Gandía. Todos descendientes, pues éstos del Alfonso XII de Castilla. La familia Enríquez era bastante grande más con sus líneas rivales. Me preguntó como conecta si lo es estos a los Valladolid de Michoacán.

Daniel Méndez Camino

Estimado Erik:

Mi mente suena cuando menciona las familias Álvarez del Castillos, Pérez de Garfías y los Gil de Hoyos pues se víncularon muy cercano con mis Méndez de Torres en el siglo XVII. Que bueno que inició este tema: ya que he notado que el Obispado de Michoacán una región que quizás no se ha estudiado bastantemente como la Nueva Galicia.

El obispo Alonso Enríquez de Toledo era obispo de la Isla de Cuba llegó a la Nueva España en el primer cuarto del siglo XVII cuya pasaje es conocida. Esta familia, espero que éstos de Michoacán no componieron su apellido en México: Enríquez+Toledo, Si son los mismos Enríquez de Toledo, casa ilustre eran pues los condes de Alba de Liste, según mis estudios son vínculados muy cercano con las familias Álvarez de Toledo, Fernández de Córdoba, Enríquez de Guzmán y los Fajardo, pues los marqueses de los Vélez.

Dejamé revisar mis notas ojalá encuentro algo. Por casualidad a que punto ha llegado a cuanto este liñaje, es su línea directa

unfortunately i haven't been able to find some of born in spain ancestors on that list

Thank you so much for the link. I was already looking at some of the list.

gracias!!

susana

Thank you for the information. This is interesting.

If this thread is still active, I have some information on these families.

Hi Jose and those on this post...

Please note I've returned to the genealogy front. I still have Jose's book and am available for lookups should you need information.

Please note my new email address...after many more life changes ;-)....

Connie (Consuelo) Dominguez

girondellecd@gmail.com

Does anyone have this book that would be willing to copy some sections, will pay copy costs?

I need sections 43, 67, and 75.

The book is longer available for sale.

Thanks

Not all the Arandas Church records have been extracted or indexed, although most have been. There is one film of baptisms in the period you are interested in that is not. Marriage records only go back to 1802, but the matrimonial investigations go back into the 1790s, although none are indexed. Looking at the dispensations from the Diocese of Guadalajara may reveal something on the family; it is a long shot, but still worth the effort. There are a couple of websites that have indexed the films, and there is also book, Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, that is worth a look.