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1)- Rollo “Hrolfr” “Rolf” “Rollon” “Rollo the Viking” “Rollo the Walker” “Rollo Normandy” nació in 860 ad y murio entre 928 ad y 933 ad. Rollo es uno de los más importantes Vikingos en historia. Rolls es antepasado de muchas casas reales en Europa. Rollo y Poppa procreáron a Guillaume “William Longsword.”

2)- Guillaume, “William Longsword”, (Guillaume Longue-Épée en frances) Lord of the Normans. Guillaume nacio en 893, fue asasinado 17/December/942. El controlo Normandía desde 927 hasta su muerte. Guilluame y Sprota procreán a Richard I “the Fearless”.

3)- Richard I “the Fearless”, Duke of Normandy , Richard I y su padre crecieron los terrenos de Normandy. Richard I y Gunnora procrearon Richard II “The Good”

4)- Richard II “The Good”, Duke of Normandy, nacio 23/August/963 y murió 28 August 1026. Richard II procreáro a Robert I.

5)- Robert I “the Magnificent”, Duke of Normandy Robert I procrearo a Guillermo I.

6)- Guillermo I, El Conquistador, nació en 1028

Welcome to nuestrosranchos Carlos,

I am a distant cousin of yours though many of the names that you mentioned that you are researching. The closest relationships are through the Barba and Martin. I also descend from Jose Toribio Muñoz de la Barba and Juana Gertrudis Villaseñor y Franco.

Here is your descent from King Henry II of England and Queen Eleanore of Aquitane (Queen of England and France)

1)Henry II King of England and Eleanor of Aquitane Queen of England
2 Eleonore de Inglaterra, princesa de inglaterra and Alfonso VIII rey de Castilla
3 Berenguela de Castilla and Alfonso IX rey de Leon
4 San Fernando III rey de Castilla and Beatriz de Suavia ( Elizabeth Hohenstaufen)
5 Alfonso X Fernandez and Yolanda Aragon
6 Fernando infante de Castilla and Blanca de Francia Capet
7 Alfonso de la Cerda and Mahalda de Brienne
8 Luis de la Cerda, infante de Castilla and Leonor Alfonso de Guzman
9 Juan de la Cerda and Sol Martinez
10 Martin Gonzalez de Cerda and Violante Alvarez Pereira

Hi there,

By any chance would you have any information on my ancestor Nicolas Ballin who married Victoria De Sotomayor who married in Aguascalientes in 1663?

Hello everyone,

This is my first post to Nuestros believe it or not, but I have huge questions and hope you can help. My 9th great grandparents are Francisco de Albarado/Alvarado and Francisca Ruis de Esparsa who were married on 01 November 1675 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Mexico. I have their marriage record which states no parents. I have tried to find the informational marriage record but am having trouble.

Does anyone know how Francisca fits into the Ruis y de Esparsa family? Also does anyone know Francisco Albarado's family?

Sincerely,

Norberto Menchaca Morales III

Hi George,

The names read Diego Vallin son of Geronimo Vallin and Francisca de Herrera. There seems to be a connection with the grandmother and grandaughter in this case. Now I am wondering who are the parents of Geronimo Vallin and Francisca de Herrera. Would you happen to have more info on this Andres Sandoval (Sandoval Moscoso?).

Thanks,

Daniel

George, Armando, Jaime, Daniel, and all

I'm still confused about this Vallin family, and have several questions and some additions:

Re marriage entry of Domingo Yriarte and Francisca de Esparza, in the margin she is called Isabel, in the body she is Francisca. Does this make a difference? Is it a mistake or is there another sister named Isabel?

Re children of Diego Vallin and Mariana de Sandi:
Could Dona Francisca de Herrera be the same person as Fransisca Valli, bap Sep 1639?
(Fran.ca. hija de Diego Valli and Maria de Sandi, in Bau Ags Ags 1616-1660, Image 85). Or this is a different family altogether?

Their son Bartolome was baptized 3 Oct 1656, in Ags.
(Bartolome, esp, hijo de Diego Balli y Mariana de Sandi, bap Oct 1656, Image 210).

Bartolome married Teresa Nunes; their son Visente Anastasio was baptized in Aguas also. (Visente Anastacio, esp, hl de Bartolome Valli y Teresa Nunes, bap 13 Mar 1685, Ags, 1684-1691, Image 24).

Diego Vallin and Francisca de Esparza's

George,
Diego Vallin and Francisca de Esparza had at least another child, a girl named Petra, who died as an infant and was burried 28 May 1673.

Jaime Alvarado

Hi George,
This is a huge find for all of us. I have not had too much time to investigate all the testamentos I would like, but every now and then information such as this creates more and more curiosity. Especially, this case with all these Francisca Ruiz de Esparza. One thing is for sure. The daughter of Salvador ruiz de Esparza and Maria de Vielma, Francisca Ruiz de Esparza married Diego Vallin.
Diego Vallin was son of Jeronimo Vallin and Francisca de Herrera, surely a relative of the other Herrera around there, not sure how. He married Mariana Carrillo de Sandi daughter of Capt. Juan Marin de Penalosa and Da. Maria Carrillo de Sandi.
Their kids Da. Drancisca de Herrera who married Andres Vasquez de Sandoval y Moscoso and Bartolome Vallin. Then he marries Francisca ruiz de Esparza and has two more kids Nicolas Vallin and the latter Antonia de Esparza.
I still have issues with the other Francisca de Esparza who married Domingo de Yriarte.
The Vallin genealogy still needs to be

Hello! It says "cruz baja". Depending on how much money someone paid for a burial it could have "cruz alta", apparently quite expensive and for people who had money and a good social status, which was a ceremony with all due respect and mournful symbols. Cruz baja was the standard burial (I suppose "en fábrica de dos pesos" would mean that was the price they paid), while "de limosna" was a burial made with no charges due to the lack of resources the family of the deceased had. I hope this helps!

Helllo! Well, it's a little confusing, but what I understand... is that Juan de Herrera is asking Antonio Díaz to pay 20 horses that he promised because they had an arrangement made after Antonio Díaz jr. stole his daughter Barbara promising to marry her, but then he didn't do it.

I found this research that may help. I too am a descendant of this family.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130517061824/http://perso.wanadoo.es/emed…

I believe Mariana Melendez is the following: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Meléndez-221

Manny Dominguez

Hello Tocayo.

García de Monroy Pizarro is the "tronco" on this dispensa matrimonial. (He is not listed in the dispensa).

Francisco de Monroy Pizarro and Leonor de la Cueva were father-only siblings. See pretensa's declaration "... por ser ambos Pretensos Nietos de dos hermanos legitimos, aunque solo de parte Paterna ...".

Francisco de Monroy Pizarro is the son of Luisa de León and Leonor de la Cueva is the daughter of María de la Cueva.

Fernando Martínez de Sotomayor was the son of Antonio Martínez de Sotomayor and María Valenzuela according to his dispensa - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-9191-35?cc=1874591&wc=…

Fernando's brother, Joseph Antonio, also had a dispensa which mentions in more detail their ancestors -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-40916-67?cc=1874591

Antonio Martínez de Sotomayor was the son of Andrés Martín de Sotomayor y González who married Beatriz de Mayorga 13 June 1666 in Aguascalientes. She was the daughter of Alvaro Marín de Peñaloza and Isabel de Mayorga
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12446-30193-28?cc=1502404&…

Andrés Martín de Sotomayor y González was the son of Andrés Martín de Sotomayor and María González de Islas y Moctezuma.

Andrés Martín de Sotomayor was the son of Andrés Martín Camacho and María de las Ruelas o Sotomayor.

Alvaro Marín de Peñaloza was the son of Juan Marín de Peñaloza and María de Sandi

Aunque su pregunta ya tiene tiempo aqui, esta tarde la encontre mientras exploro lo que hay sobre la familia Cabral de Jerez. Por mi parte he realizado muchas búsquedas sobre Cabral, con muy buenos resultados a veces y otras no tanto. Una de las dificultades estriba en los libros perdidos o dañados que lamentablemente no son pocos en Jerez. Pero no todo está perdido. Por mi parte no he encontrado ningún registro fehaciente respecto de una Juana Cabral hija de Domingo Cabral y Ana Catalina Pinedo Caldera. Pero eso no significa que no haya tenido una hija con ese nombre. De hecho es muy probable e incluso se trate de su hija mayor. Hay una nota muy reveladora en la página 13 del documento que menciono al final, donde se lee: Antonio, hijo de Matías Lozano y Juana Cabral. Esta anotación está en las primeras páginas del registro de bautizos y entierros que parece ser el más antiguo que se conserva en Jerez y que parece ser del año 1648. Las primeras páginas muestran un deterioro notable y

Thanks a lot!!! I am trying to find an ancestor that came around 1588. I will try!

Thank you so much for the instructions! :-)

Hemos visto Sebastián Vasquez casado con “Luisa” con diferentes apellidos. Tenemos a Luisa Villaseñor, Luisa Maciel, y Luisa Liebano. Mi pregunta es si esta “Luisa”Es la misma persona? En otra acta de Anna Vasquez ella lleva el apellido de “Vasquez De Lara” entonces sabemos que estamos hablando de los Vasquez De Lara.

En la dispensa de matrimonio de Domingo Ortiz de Bracamonte y Barbara Infante se descubre que son primos terceros porque los dos son descendientes de Sebastián Vasquez y Luisa Villaseñor.

1)Sebastian Vasquez y Luisa Villaseñor son padres de
2a)- Lorenzo Vasquez y
2b)- Juan Vasquez
=========================================================
La línea del primer hermano Lorenzo
2a)- Lorenzo Vasquez y Micaela Ortis son padres de
3a)- Anna Vasquez De Lara que se casó con José Ortis (Hortiz) Bracamonte y ellos procrearon a
4a)- Marcos Ortiz (Hortis) Bracamonte. El se casó con Maria Antonia Gonzalez Y procrearon a
5a)- Domingo Ortiz Bracamonte quien se casó Con su prima

Del testamento de Angelina García, esposa en segundas nupcias con Juan de Arrona, se ve claramente que Ana García esposa de Martín Vázquez Zermeño no era hija de Juan de Arrona, sino de Martín García, primer esposo de Angelina.

Esta dispensa confirma la cuestion de Ana Gomez de Portugal como hija de Diego Gomez de Portugal y Maria Garcia de Arrona al ser Ana hermana de Catalina Lopez de Portugal

"Lagos de Moreno, Jal. Abril 26 de 1703. Exp. 79.- Dispensa de tercero grado de consanguinidad.- Don Esteban de Anda Altamirano, español de 40 años de edad originario y vecino de esta Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos, viudo de Josefa Moreno de Ortega, hijo legitimo del Cap. Pedro de Anda Altamirano y de Doña Catalina Saenz de Vidaurre, difuntos; con Doña Ines de Pedroza Marmolejo, vecina de la feligresia de la Villa de San Felipe, Obispado de Michoacan, hija legitima del Cap. Juan de Pedroza Marmolejo y de Doña Geronima de Hierro, difuntos. Declaración del pretenso: Porque Catarina Lopez de Portugal y Ana de Portugal fueron hermanas, y la dicha Catarina Lopez de Portugal, tuvo por su hijo al Cap. Pedro de Anda Altamirano, y la dicha Ana de Portugal, al Cap. Juan de Pedraza Marmolejo, y el dicho Cap. Pedro de Anda

Juan Vazquez De Zermeño (Uno de los primeros pobladores de Jalostotitlán) fue hijo de Martin Vazquez de Zermeño y de Ana Garcia de Arrona o Garcia de Miranda, hija ella de Juan de Arrona(El escribano autor del acta de la fundación de Santa Maria de los Lagos )y de su esposa Angelica o Angela Garcia de Miranda.

Martin Vazquez de Zermeño (Y Gil de Lara?) y Ana Garcia De Arrona fueron padres tambien de:

Cristobal Vazquez de Lara (el primero con este nombre).
Felipe Vazquez de Lara.
Baltazar Vazquez de Lara.

Tengo en mis notas (aunque sin fuente fidedigna) tambien a: Leonor, Angelina, magdalena y Mariana todas ellas Vazquez de lara.

Acerca Martin Vazquez de Zermeño no encuentro fuentes, aunque en algunas paginas web se menciona como hijo de Juan Vazquez y Elvira Gil de Lara nacido en la ciudad de Mexico hacia 1575, que citan com fuenta "investigaciones de Jaime Holcombe " y segun otros era "peninsular"

Miguel Beltran

Hi Rose:

Thanks for sharing the document you found what a source! I have seen her as Ulibarri or Olibarri de la Cueva.
Their oldest son Alonso was baptized 22 January 1645 in Compostela who would become the I Conde de Miravalle
and a Caballero de Santiago.

Maria's husband Pedro de Avalos y Bracamonte was baptized in Guadalajara 15 May 1615.

I was once told that since Compostela was the capital of Nueva Galicia many people all over
would go there so this might explain why so many people from all over are found in Compostela.
This could be where pre 1600 Aguascalientes baptisms may exist or Guadalajara. Maybe marriages
too.

Thanks again for sharing,

Daniel Méndez Camino

Thanks Rose,

I guess we should all provide this type of information. While most of my
research is focused on Nochistlan, quite often some of the records are for
people from Juchipila, Jalpa, Yahualica, Mexticacan, Teocaltiche and
Aguascalientes and it would also be helpful to provide the time span and the
film #.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

________________________________
From: "rosehardy@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 8:51:23 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Da Maria de Olibarri the wife of Dn Pedro de Abalos
Bracamonte 1666

Hello Group,

Sorry I've been out of touch with the group, but I've been researching elsewhere
in Mexico this past year. As of late I have been doing research in Nayarit
working on my Rios Californio line. For the past few weeks I've been reading
Tepic burials and in the past week Compostela burials.

Tonight I found Da Maria de Olibarri, the wife of Dn Pedro de Abalos (Davalos)
Bracamonte. The document can

Does anyone know how/if Pedro de Avalos Bracamonte might be related to Domingo Ortiz Bracamonte, who was married to Antonia (Flores de) Aréchiga? They are my 8th gg-grandparents and all I know is that they were from Cocula de Avalos and ended up in Mexticacan.

Any leads would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Great information Manny. This seems to settle it.

Danny

I had previously stated that I didn’t descend from Alonso Estrada and his wife. What I should have said was that I had not found him in my ancestral lines. Today I discovered that my wife and I both descend from Alonso Estrada and his wife Marina Gutierrez De la Cavalleria.

Rick A. Ricci

About six months ago I worked on the genealogy of my oldest sister’s mother-in-law. I had previously worked on my sister’s father-in-law’s family tree many many years ago, but had not worked on her mother-n-law’s family. I was surprised to discover many interesting stories on her mother-in law’s relatives as they were also deeply involved in Mexican Politics. It turns out that this research now connects to my research on Alonso Estrada. Today I discovered that an illegitimate son of King Ferdinand II of Aragon is an ancestor of Enrique, who is a second cousin of my brother-in-law. The two families merged together into the same picture.

I immediately thought that if we were to compare the dna from Enrique to Manny Hermosillo, who is a descendant of Alonso Estrada, then we could finally prove with dna that Alonso Estrada was king Ferdinand II’s illegitimate son. I even sent an email to Enrique asking him to provide his dna so that we could compare it to a descendant of

These inquest records supported by some researchers are in constant dispute.

Ricci has shared great examples of why. This is what we know from the inquest records we have someone trying to prove their purity of blood of neither Moor nor Jew.

In doing this he would have to prove he wasn't from Jewish descent decades upon decades later. There is no one alive from this time who really knew his relatives. Tall order. Here is something else he would have to prove; he had to prove he had a credible witness which even the inquest was not satisfied he had done.

The witness according to the entries was cited repeatedly by the inquisition that she was very old, blind, and could not remember but thought her relatives told her that the mother was was a so and so, perhaps Oliver. The witness upon inquiry continues to repeat she really didn't know she couldn't remember.

When asked if there was Jewish blood she again resorts to I don't know, I don't remember , I couldn't say. We have to

Rags to riches stories involve skill, talent, work, or luck. Usually it will involve all of them. Alonso Estrada was a violent, aggressive man. He became treasurer because his nephew, Charles V, appointed him. Charles V took care to set up both of his illegitimate uncles, Alonso Estrada and Alfonso d’Aragon.

Alonso Estrada was born to privilege and acted like it. I don’t know of any non royal family member arriving with 12 of their own household slaves during this age. He was not a capable administrator and did not make it to the level that he did on his own merits. If he had been a son of Juan Fernandez Estrada then he would had to work a little harder on his personal and diplomatic skills. His maternal grandfather, Juan Fernandez Estrada, was a very talented man, with top diplomatic skills. His maternal grandfather’s brother also had excellent diplomatic skills as he too was an ambassador. The brothers were negotiators, deal makers.

If Alonso was not King Ferdinand’s son than

Juan Fernandez Estrada, Alonso Estrada’s maternal grandfather and his brother were both ambassadors for King Ferdinand of Aragon. Many historians and genealogists have confused the two, or merged them into one person. But they are definitely two people. Juan Fernandez Estrada was the ambassador to the Vatican. Juan was sent to the Vatican immediately after the expulsion of the moors from Granada.

Both of the brothers had a lot of power as they both had King Ferdinand’s ear. Juan’s brother exercised a lot power in his assignments, and his descendants continued working for the future kings of Spain exercising much influence.

Rick A. Ricci
Source Mygenes2000

The biggest scandal in the Estrada family was not Alonso Estrada and Catalina Gutierrez Cavalleria ‘s descendants’ inquisition trials, nor was it Luisa having a child out of wedlock with King Ferdinand of Aragon. The biggest Estrada family scandal happened in the late. 1500’s and early 1600’s. The misdeeds were committed by a great grandson of Juan Fernandez Estrada’s brother. This Estrada family member wrote about his scandalous behavior, letting the world know about his misdeeds. He wrote he killed his bethrowed and a friend in a jealous tantrum when he found them together in a room. His fiancé was also the daughter of his cousin. He then escaped justice when a nun fell in love with him and helped him escape from his cell. He then traveled the old world, as a soldier for hire. He eventually settled down, became a monk and wrote his memoirs.

His books are supposed to be autobiographies, and most of what he has written is true but there is a little exaggeration because some

Dear Manny,

There are portions of this family tree that are different than the other record. I believe that your finding of this record confirms my research on this family even though it clearly has some mistakes. This record correctly identifies that Alonso descends from the Juan Fernandez Estrada that was the second son the Estrada family that came over. The information that I have on on his parents and wives is concrete. The facts lead to Ambassador Juan Fernandez Estrada being Alonso Estrada’s maternal grandfather!and not his father. King Ferdinand is Alonso Estrada’s father.

King Ferdinand as an ancestor was not something many of his descendants were proud of because many of them were Jews. King Ferdinand’s expulsion of the Jews from Spain devastated many families.

Thanks again,
Rick A Ricci

A very important piece used to unraveling the mystery is the part where Juan Fernandez Estrada is identified as ““hijo segundo de la Casa de Estrada que bino de asturias a ciudad real”. This statement is the one that brings all the other puzzle pieces that I have collected together and positively identifies who it is that we are talking about.

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Manny,

Sorry to burst the bubble on the:

“It shows how a man can go from being a low-head-on-the-totem-pole holder of a señorio in Ciudad Real, to being governor of and one of the most powerful figures in one of the Crown’s newest acquisitions.”

It would have been a great “rags to riches” story, but Alonso Estrada was an illegitimate son of a king and the kings not-to-distant cousin so he had a major advantage from birth. He actually descended from royalty numerous times.

Rick A. Ricci
Source Mygenes2000

This limpieza and proof of nobility that appears to be dated 11 Dec 1608 is for a great-great granddaughter of Alonso de Estrada and Doña Marina Flores de la Caballeria. Much time has passed and information has been forgotten or intentionally changed. It is not uncommon for a great great grandchild to make an error when naming their great great grandparents. Juan Fernandez Estrada was her great great great grandfather and Luisa Estrada was her great great grandmother.

Juan Fernandez Estrada was an Hidalgo. The Hidalgo was not part of his surname. The Fernandez surname was because his father’s name was Fernando. He and his brother were close confidants of the King of Aragon, and served as ambassadors of Aragon to France and England. Juan’s mother came from the powerful Alvarez De Asturias family that also has royalty in their ancestry a couple of centuries back. Juan is married twice. His first wife is a cousin to the king as she descends from a brother of King Enrique II. Luisa

Dear Manny,

I owe you big time for the many times that you have helped me with my research. And this is another great find by you. However, I disagree that Juan Fernandez De Estrada is his father.

The genealogy that he was the son of The king seemed like a legend to me also. I even bought an original copy of the book that refutes that he was son of the king. Over the years I repeatedly stated that Juan Fernandez De Estrada was his father based on the argument put forward by this book. The problem is that when I researched the issue I discovered that it has some false information. This second genealogy that you found is based on the “ made up family tree “ that tried to hide that his mother was a mistress of the king. Her having an illegitimate child was an embarrassment to her family. Later on the family tried to hide its Jewish origins.

If juan Fernandez De Estrada is proven to be his father then this very old “book” that I have is worth some money. It is an original book and

According to Ancestry dna, I have genes from West Africa (Gambia Senegal and Guinea-Bissau - not the areas on the Gulf og Guinea) and southwest Africa (Cameroun, Angola, Namibia, Gabon, and Congo). In church records I have found ancestors noted as mulatto libre and at least one as mulatto esclavo. Very interesting for me!

Regards
Denise

That's very interesting although sad. I have also been surprised by the quantity of "esclavo" notes in the birth and marriages records in Mexico. Many are "libres", but not all, both "negros" and mulatos.

Thank you very much for this great find!
Austin Perez

I wonder if the word is Chametla (in reference to location of Juan Lopez de Fuenllana). Chametla is in Sinaloa and was founded in 1531 by Nuno Beltran de Guzman. It's also the place from which Hernan Cortes planned his conquest. Here is more information about it: https://vidamaz.com/2016/01/23/most-important-archeological-site-in-nor…

This is indeed fantastic! Thank you so much for this work!
Could I add a few comments after looking at the records myself?

I noticed a few other interesting tidbits:
Fray Diego was the guardian of the convent at Patzcuaro.
His father was "naguatato" (?) of Patzcuaro. (What is that?)
His parents were deceased by Nov 1582.

Am I retrojecting if I suppose that Beatriz de Torres' birthplace is Mexico City? I read and read and compared letters to other parts of the document and it seems like it could be an abbreviation for feligresia. However, since this is an Inquisition record and there was no parish (presumably) and it's 1582, not sure if that makes sense. Note that at the bottom of the page where Diego's maternal grandmother is referenced, it says that she is also a "natural" of the same city as her daughter.
I do think that the first letter is an F, the second an E, and the last one is an A.

Also, I believe you left out one of his brothers: Diego del Castillo, the first on the list

Fantastic find Manny! The inquisition records are proving to be a gold mine!

As for Isabel del Castillo, I suspect that she's the Isabel del Castillo who married Geronimo de Orozco and had among other children:

Maria de Orozco cc Pedro de Penas
Isabel Orozco del Castillo cc Juan de Zamora

Thanks for the find!

Daniel

Yay! Thanks so much. Great work.
Maven

VERY NICE MANNY!!!!

Existe una capellania que mando fundar Juan y Mariana que quizas tenga algunas pistas sobre esta familia:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-6Z96-Z5?i=520&cc=1883388&cat=394235

En los documentos de esta capellania, existen varias copias de partidas de matrimonio y bautizmos de los hijos, nietos, etc. de Diego de Orozco y Maria Giron:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-DX9M-LW?i=768&cc=1883388&cat=394235

El Toledo, creo que su origen si viene de Maria Giron, ya que en algunas partidas la mencionas con el apellido compuesto de Enriquez de Toledo.

Saludos,

Daniel Serna Valencia

I have seen the picture. My understanding is that the word "Gobierno" here has nothing to do with the "government", it is a reference to the governing of the Curato so this is a completely church thing and has nothing to do with civil matters. In Mexico Church archives and Civil Governement records are things that stand apart from each other.

I have had the same problem. I know that others also cannot open documents. Very frustrating!

Regards
Denise