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Hola José Humberto.

Si la edad de José Ricardo González en la IM es de 40 años aproximádamente, es probable que haya sido hijo de esta pareja que contrajo matrimonio el 22 de Diciembre de 1710 en Nochistlán. Posiblemente Inés también pudo haber sido conocida por el apellido Sandoval y Moscoso.

(Matrimonio de Cristóbal e Inés. Última partida de la hoja del lado derecho. Imagen bastante borrosa. Los nombres de los padres de los contrayentes no se mencionan)

Bienvenida Marcelina,

Los padres de Jose Maria de Cuellar fueron Ignacio de Cuellar y Rosalia Valdez. Esta informacion proviene de su partida de matrimonio, la cual podra encontrar en:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-V5SM-8F?i=691

Saludos
Ruben Hernandez

I don't have anything on their parents but this records shows her married twice
.
marriage dispensation requested 22 April 1732 n Jerez, Zac
Juan Tadeo del Muro from Villa Gutierre de la Aguila over age 30
said:
Luciano Marquez Espanol from Villa Gutierre de la Aguila living in Buenavista age 23
parents: Juan Diego Marques and Yssabel del Muro
with Anacleta Villaslada Espanola from Viboras age 17
parents: Juan Joseph Villaorlada and Ana Gertrudis Berumes
witness: Juan Angel Antonio Rosales Espanol from Xeres age 25
witness: Alexandro Barela Espanol age 36
witness: Nicolas del Muro Espanol from labor de Santa Gertrudis age 30 who said Luciano and Anacleta are related to him 4th degree
witness: Pedro de la Torre Espanol age 70
.
marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
Trunk..Juan Salas and Gertrudis de Avila
Francisca Salas.......1st degree
Gertrudis Muro........2nd degree
Juan Jph Villorlado...3rd degree
Anacleta Villorlado...4th degree
.
Trunk...Pedro Carlos and Gertrudis de Avila

Thanks for this, Hector. The Ortiz de San Pedro is in my ancestral line, but I haven't managed to connect them all together, yet. This is good information to have, though, to keep our tree accurate.

Rosalinda

Hector,

Muchas gracias por tus comentarios. Concuerdo contigo en pensar que "algo" esta mal en la informacion que esta en el libro de "Andariegos", en la que se estipula que el padre de Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro (casado con Maria de Esquivel) es Gonzalo Lopez de Ayala y el a su vez es hijo de Pedro de Arevalo y Beatriz Lopez de Ayala. Si esta informacion es correcta me pregunto: Donde esta el Ortiz de San Pedro?? Como obtuvo este apellido??
Estoy en proceso de revisar la informacion que suministraste. Y adquiri los libros que recomendaste (al menos 2 de ellos). Por favor si encuentras alguna otra informacion no dejes de exponerla en el foro.
Y te reitero mi agradecimiento
Saludos

Susana

I think we need to see both records to determine which is correct.

Hello, any luck on finding out how to research criminal records? I too am not having much luck when trying to research similar information. I am looking for criminal information in Jalisco but have no luck with Ancestry.com or Google. Thank you for your time.

Sus, In my Census Records for Latin America it says to go to the "Archive del Arzobispado de Guadalajara, Mexico" web page.
I see there is a Facebook under the same name. You should become a member there and asked them the question about Zacatecas.

Cecilia Gutierrez Alvarez

San Antonio, Tuxcacuesco, Jalisco, Mexico

Rick A. Ricci

I hope this helps you with your research:

Groom : Manuel Flores 18 years old son of Jose Ma. Flores and Vicenta Castillo

Bride: Ma. Estanislao Mariscal 17 years old daughter of Casildo Mariscal and Ma. Catarina Cadena she is originally from Sayula but for the last 7 years she has lived in Tuxcacuesco.

jose casildo mariscal and maria catarina cadena had their marriage on :12 January 1835 in Sayula Jalisco, México

Here are more family members:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/M7Y6-KG7

This may be the groom’s parents:
José María Flores is the son of Luciano Flores and Maria Pascuala Ramirez married 7 May 1792 in Nutra Sra de Gpe., Guadalajara, Jalisco

Rick A. Ricci

Hi Danny

I read it as:

Xptobal (Cristóbal) de Chaves hijo legítimo de Bernardo de Chaves y de Antonia Ines (Yañez), españoles con Gertrudis Udabe hija legítima de Isidro de Udabe y de Maria de la Rosa Lopez

In the margin it has Gertrudis de Udave as 'tresalba'

Hasta pronto
Austin Perez

Hola Danny!

The parents of Gertrudis de Udave are: Ysidro (Isidro) de Udabe (Udabe) and Maria (de la) Rosa Lopez de la Serda.
The parents of Xptobal de Chaves are: Bernardo de Chaves, Anttonia Ines (?)

All Españoles and residents off Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.

I don’t think Antonia Ines’s surname is Esparza. I think that is “Espan.s” following her name = Espanoles
But I could be wrong…just my take on it.

Gertrudis's parents are the earliest patriarchs of nine Udave/Udabe lineages from Teocalitche > Arroyo Seco > Paso de Sotos (later renamed Villa Hidalgo) locations in Jalisco. And they are my 8th great grandparents, maternal side.

Consuelo Udave

PS: I have a large database of 1000-1200 individuals in these Udave lineages. If you have any other Udave individuals you might be researching, I’d be happy to look for them in my database and share andy information I might have. Unfortunately, I’ve hit a brick wall with Isidro & Rosa…I believe the church records may be missing

Danny,

It could be Xtobal de Chavez, HL de Bernardo de Chavez y de Antta Ines
Esparza con Gertrudis Udave, Hija Legitima de Isidro de Udave y de Maria de
la Rossa Lopez. This is my best guess. Let's see what other guesses you
have from the group.

Alicia

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Danny Alonso wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> could someone tell me what the last name of the mothers of Gertrudis de
> Udave and Cristobal de Chaves are?
>
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-7SS3-F4?i=66&wc=3JFF-929%3…
>
>
> Danny C. Alonso

Anyone have Mariano Olmos in there tree? If so...I've been trying for months to figure out who Mercedes Saldivar's parents are. I THOUGHT she may have come from the Duran's, but not sure. My GEDmatch number is KK6796917, my Father's is LM2514076, my Father is an Aguilar Saldivar, my Paternal Great Grandfather was Higinio Saldivar Macias (under Zaldivar or Saldivar Macias in documents), he was married to my Great Grandma Luciana Navarro Huizar, his Father was Atanasio Saldivar Duran who married MA del Refugio Macias. Then my 3rd GG was Esteban Saldivar Esqueda with Bacilia Duran, and the family goes on from there. I know Mercedes married Mariano S. Olmos who was also married to Maria Luevano...but I can't figure out who Mercedes' parents are...anyone know? I've searched everywhere! The baptismal records, the marriage records, and nothing. TIA!!

Daniel,

To date, most of my ancestors are from Nochistlan, they include, Avelar, Aguayo, Duran, Ruiz, Ruiz de Esparza, Ortega, Munos, Bermejo, Olmos, Jauregui, Rubalcava, Olasaba, Garcia.

My father's lines were Avelar Aguayo, Garcia, Munos, Duran, Bermejo from El Monte de los Duranes in Nochistlan Zacatecas.

I have several lines of Duran, Munos, Aguayo, Ruiz de Esparza and Olmos, these are the most prominent lines that repeat over and over again. Having said all this, I am not as far back in my research as you appear to be, therefore my information would be of little value to you as it's still in the 1800's. Maybe some day when I have more time to dedicate to research, I'll be able to touch on some of your lines.

Saludos,

Alicia..San Jose, Ca.

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From: "mendezdelcamino@live.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 7:27:51 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Teocaltiche and Nochistlan Help

Hi all, thanks to George Fulton

Daniel,

How do you know that Petronila de Retamosa is the same as Petrona Macías
Valadez, aka Petrona González de Gardea? I'm not sure the 23 Feb 1666
marriage of Joseph Lozano to Petronila de Retamosa in Teocaltiche is for the
same couple. Hopefully you have positive identification.

Eugenio Lozano married María Durán Vázquez ca. Feb 1697 probably in
Nochistlán. The Durán family is from Nochistlán and marriages were usually
at the bride's hometown. For additional information about the Durán family
see the book "Nochistlán, Zacatecas. Su Parroquia, Los Durán y otras
Familias antiguas. Estudio Histórico-Genealógico" by Ing. Jesús Durán
Rodríguez (1991). A wonderful book, but unfortunately out of print. Mr.
Durán Rodríguez died a few years ago.

Durán and Durón are totally different surnames, both found in
Aguascalientes. Make sure you don't confuse them. What information are you
looking for? I may be able to help you.

Bill Figueroa

Pariente,

Yo no he visto ningún testamento en family search ni en ancestry. Yo soy descendiente de Joachin Fletes de Tecolotlan. No sé si Martín Fletes era el papá de el. Creo que Luis Fletes puede que sea hermano o sobrino de Joachin.

Hola primo- No estoy familiarizada con este tema, pero tal vez podrian estar en el area de los testamentos de la Diócesis de Guadalajara?

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/130231?availability=Family%…

Suerte con tu busqueda.
-Minerva

The following is taken from the Almanach de Gotha, Annuaire Genealogique, Diplomatique et Statistique ed. 1900
Justus Perthes:

The Almanach de Gotha was the unassailable directory of world-wide nobility and royalty.

Condes de Miravalle
Viscondes de Villarraez

La casa de los condes de Miravalle era la que es hoy Hotel del Bazar,
Calle del Espiritu Santo numero 8.

Titulos concedidos el 18 de diciembre de 1690

1er. Conde

don Pedro Alonso Avalos Bracamonte, era descendiente de don Alvaro de Bracamonte y de dona Francisca de Arias, su esposa; siendo esta, dona Francisca, una de las hijas de dona Leonor de Arias y del Capitan don Pedro Ruiz de Haro, conquistador y poblador del Estado de Jalisco y de la nobilisima familia de Guzman, Caballero de Santiago y primer Rector de la Cofradia de Aranzazu, caso con dona Francisca Orozco y Castilla, y tuvieron por hijo al

2o Conde

don Jose Justo Avalos, Caballero de Santiago; murio sin sucesion y heredo el titulo su hermana la

3 a Condesa

Estimado Daniel,

En cuanto al comentario de no saber porque de Ávalos se hizo Dávalos. Simplemente hicieron la contracción de la preposición y el apellido para que fuera mas corto y fácil de pronunciar y escribir. Es el mismo apellido. Pasó lo mismo con el apellido de Ávila que también es Dávila.

Armando

What maps are you looking for ? Is their a certain map?

Hi Marty,

There is a thread on this from 2 days ago started by Brenda but here are the two links someone pasted on there.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24303

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/2443

Thank you,
Esther

I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&d…
I finally found what you were referring to -
You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:

> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
> encountered when I first started researching.
> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a

I don’t have information on Cristoval Ramos, but Sebastian Ramos was married to Maria Nabor del Refugio Orosco on 17/Feb/1868 en Arandas, Jalisco.

María Cenobia de Jesús Tovar is the daughter of José Rafael Antonio de Tovar and Maria Secundina de la Trinidad Licea. Ma. Cenobia de Jesús Tovar was baptized 31/Oct/1819 in San Miguel Allende, Guanajuato. She was baptized the day after birth.

José Rafael Antonio de Tovar and Maria Secundina de la Trinidad Licea was married 30/Oct/1814, San Jose Iturbide, Guanajuato

I believe that Maria Secundina de la Trinidad Licea is the daughter of José Ramon Licea and María Jesús de la Trinidad Muñoz, (still need to confirm.)

I hope this information can help you with your research,

Rick A. Ricci

Gracias Enrique por compartir esta información. Por favor avísame donde podría comprar el primer tomo.

Ricardo

Hi Danny, I emailed you about Melchor just now. He is on my family tree. There are a few records relating to Melchor, but he is a bit of a mystery. Not much is known of his origins. I believe that the Aguascalientes City records have a document indicating he engaged in slave trading. There is also a marriage dispensation as I recall, but it did not shed light on his parents or origins. Some undocumented genealogies on Ancestry.com have him coming from the Pais Valenciano in Spain, but I’ve seen no hard evidence of that.