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E visto que muchas cosas del área de Huejucar preceden en Tlantenago de Sanchez Roman ; busca ahi puede haber algo

Hello Manny,

I've read the IM of Geronimo and Rosa a couple of times. From what I could tell from the witnesses, whatever parentesco there was, it was indeed too remote to be figured out by the eldest of the elders (Juan de Bejar, Francisco de Bejar and Tomas de Bejar - all born in the 1630s). If the parentesco truly existed it would have existed in the generation of Ana Garcia de Liebana cc Juan Maciel Plancarte and earlier. (We're talking mid - late 1500s)

Maria de Liebana (wife of Gregorio de Bejar Sandoval) was actually the daughter of Juan Maciel Plancarte and Ana Garcia de Liebana. We know this through countless dispensas and also given the timeframe of when Juan Ascencio de Leon was having children with Geronima de Liebana vs. when Gregorio and Maria had their children. Juan Ascencio de Leon didn't really show up in Tangancicuaro and the surrounding areas 'til about the mid 1640s. He also didn't start having children 'til about the mid 1640s.

Juan Ascencio de Leon mentions

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Luisa Estrada’s father was married twice. One wife is closely related to the Villaseñor and Reynoso. The other wife is closely related to Juan Pantoja Portocarrero.

Hi Daniel,

Do you know whether your Alcaraz family has any connection to the Alcaraz/Alexandre family of Jiquilpan, Mich?

I'm descended from Maria Alcaraz of Jilquilpan married to Geronimo de Alexandre Villaroel (either grandson or greatgrandson of Bartolome de Alexandre & Isabel Villaroel of Patzcuaro, Mich.) I descend through their son, Joseph de Alexandre (Villaroel) who moved to Ocotlan, Jal. and married Juana Hurtado de mendoza (daughter of Juan Flores de Estrada)

I've found that at least one confirmed daughter of Geronimo and Maria went mostly by the maternal surname as Juana Alcaraz. Juana and her husband, Joseph Castellanos, are padrinos to her sister's, Leonor, marriage to Juan Vargas Molina in 1720 in La Barca Jal. and is listed as Juana de Alexandre. (This makes me wonder if most of the female Alcaraz living in Poncitlan, Jal. in early 1700s are related to Geronimo de Alexandre & Maria Alcaraz since it was very rare for that area at that time.)

Paul A. Gonzales

P.S

Daniel:

I do have several lines in Ameca, and near Acatlan de Juarez and Jocotepec, primarily in Zacoalco de Torres and Santa Catarina.

I did notice you mention Guachinango, Mascota, as well as the surname Curiel. I have lots of ancestors in these areas. The surnames that I have from Mascota, Guachinango, and/or Atenguillo are: Curiel, Peña, Diaz, Cazarez, Chavez, Topete, Macedo, Landeros, Lopez, Lozano, Gil, Sanchez, Castellon, Fregoso, Aguiar, Jimenez, Amaral. If you have any of these in your family tree, we are probably related.

As far as Curiel, the earliest document I found on a direct ancestor is the matrimonial dispensation of Domingo Curiel and Gertrudis Gil. They married around march 1758 in Mascota. They lived in San Pablo, near Atenguillo.

If any of these names sound familiar, let me know. I hope we can share and compare some data.

Saludos

Steve in NC

I also am working on Vasquez de Mercado and I'm stuck on Juan Vasquez de Mercado and Ines Rangel de Acuna. It is my direct paternal line. I did do a Y-DNA test which confirms my direct paternal ancestor did come from the old world. I'm also originally from CA. Welcome to NR!

Alex Mercado

Daniel,

i have people in fresnillo too but the records only go back so far. do you know where the records are before fresnillo's records are available in family search.

Danny C. Alonso

Welcome to Nuestros Ranchos, Sandra.

Regarding your first question, Antonio Gallaga and Ana Maria Gallaga are siblings.

According to the marriage record you are citing, Antonio Gallaga was Orig[inari]o del Pueblo de Guaniqueo.

Ana Maria Gallaga was christened 11 May 1731 in la Parroquia de S[an]ta Maria de Uaniqueo. There is a heading at the top of the page that reads: ACTA de la Ylustre progenitora del Señor Cura Hidalgo: Ana Maria Gallaga.

Regarding your second question, I think, the name of Antonio's wife in the marriage record is wrong. Maria Ynes is Maria de Jesus. According to the marriage record Maria "Ynes" was living in el Puesto de la Piedra Herrada, the same place cited in the marriage record of their daughter Maria Gertrudis.

Two more christening records of children of Francisco Antonio Gallaga and Maria de Jesus de la Torre placing them in la Piedra Herrada:

Name: Joseph Victor Santiago Gallaga
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 17 Aug 1766
Event Place: San Francisco de

Some of these families are discussed on this thread:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24549

Danny

Hello Rafael.

There is no difference between "... fueron sus padrinos ..." and adding "... fueron sus padrinos que la/lo tuvieron de pila ...". It's just the way the priest was used to write the records. This very same sentence is in every record.

The godfather's name is Juan Santos Lucero. (See how mision de Santa Clara is written in any record).

Un cordial saludo.

Hola, tengo algunos datos sobre esta familia, me gustaría cruzar datos contigo. Saludos

Yo lo puedo hacer por ti

Hola, tengo el famoso registro de matrimonio en fotografía así como los bautismos de dos hijos, por si te son de utilidad los pongo a tu disposición.

I have 2 children for Catalina and Luis Salinas.

Daughter Juana Trinidad Salinas married my 2nd cousin 6x removed Miguel de Escobedo on 30 Jun 1729 in Jerez, Zacatecas.

Son
Jose Salinas married Maria Rosalia de Escobedo in Jerez, Zacatecas about 1724.

Joseph de Leon

Fue lo único que encontré que la hija nació en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK2P-12Z

Hello Emily,I found some in Bautismos de Indios entries from 1609-1659 Huichapan, Hidalgo in a language other than Spanish.  It turns out to be Otomi.  Of course, there are Spanish words, as there probably weren't Otomi words that correspond to Spanish calendrical references.What's really interesting is that Baustimos de Espanoles 1612-1718 were also written in Otomi.  That, I really don't understand.Alice BB 

On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 06:28:59 PM CST, Emilie Garcia wrote:

Does anyone recall where in Mexico, in the early settlement days. that there were some documents in the churches serving indigenous people that were in the language of the Indians of that locality?  I know I saw them somewhere, but I don't remember where
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

Now that you mention it … I thought I saw some in the older records in Mexico City. But I can’t be sure.

> On Jan 26, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Emilie Garcia wrote:
>
> Does anyone recall where in Mexico, in the early settlement days. that there were some documents in the churches serving indigenous people that were in the language of the Indians of that locality? I know I saw them somewhere, but I don't remember where
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA

I searched in Family Search in a number of ways, ie, location and key word. according to google this church is in Iztapalapa, which is located in the Distrito Federal. I found no entries for this Church or diocese.

The Diocese of Iztapalapa was erected in 2019, out of the archdiocese of Mexico.

The cathedral seems to have had a couple of other names ...Nuestro Señor de la Cuevita and Señor del Santo Sepulcro de Jerusalen.

This Wikipedia article may be of help. https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catedral_de_Iztapalapa

This may also be helpful http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/dizta.html

There are some Family Search catalog entries for church is Iztapalapa, under different names than mentioned, which may be worth a look.

Hi Maria,

You can download them here, thanks to Mary Lou Montagna:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yop1j3tqornd0xh/AABnVNtOvuDJtcuW0Gk5vgBHa?dl…

Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Maria:

Can you describe for us what is contained in these films that Jaime Holcombe contributed? Where did you run across them? in the familysearch.org database?

Does anybody know how one goes about finding such contributions in the online database or from a family history center?

your message came through great. I don't know of such a list, but I know
that Jaime Holcombe, Jr. applied for membership to the list, but has not
replied yet to the requirements for subscription. hopefully he'll join
the group and be able to answer your question. . .if he doesn't I'll
send you his email address and you can ask and forward his answer to the
group.

thanks,

joseph

ps: you will need to resend your previous email to Josie as it didn't go
through.

MariaCortez wrote:

>Do we have a list of all the films that Jaime Holcombe contributed to familysearch.org? I have come across some, but I don't know if I've seen a comprehensive list.
>
>Maria

Hi Alex,

That link didn't work, but I'm looking at his Informaciones from 1598, and it looks like his father's name was Luis de Ibarra.

Manny Diez Hermosillo

So, in a post last month, Rubén Hdez shared with us a link to an index of films found in the collections of the Universidad Michoacana de San Nicolás de Hidalgo. (Thank you Rubén!) Yesterday I was scanning the index and related films and I came across a request dated 29 July 1698 for permission to slaughter some 400 head of cattle (of 20,000) during the dry season on lands belonging to the hacienda de Corralejo (birthplace of Don Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla). If my reading of the document is correct, at that time, the hacienda de Corralejo was composed of three haciendas (Corralejo, Aramútaro, and Peralta), and all of them were owned by capitán Joseph de Alcocer y Bocanegra, who I think is likely the one Manny listed in his post as Capitán José Tomás de Alcocer y Bocanegra (b.1641).

Hi manny,
Great post. i really enjoy reading your posts. My favorite take away- “Quien adelante no mira, atrás se halla”: Ím going to share that tomorrow.
I read through your post and couldn’t help but think this Leonor alcocer and descendants had to be connected to the alcocers we know came in 1520 and 1538- Beatriz, Francisca, Baltazar etc.

I went through my notes and found one Alonso de Alcocer, son of Gutierre de Alcocer and Leonor de la Sal, hija de Juan de Sal y Isabel Fernandez. Alonso paso en 1566 a la nueva españa como criado del clérigo Pedro Moreno (pasajeros IV no. 4788). Gutierre alcocer was the son of Fernando Alcocer married to gracia de Prado (Pardo fam). Now Fernando is either brother or first cousin to Diego alcocer who is married to Blanca Núñez. Still figuring this out. my source is the Juan Gil books v. 3 under Alcocer pg 206.

I know that this Alonso has diff parents but everything else is a good match so I thought I’d share just in case it sparks anything

Hi manny,
Great post. i really enjoy reading your posts. My favorite take away- “Quien adelante no mira, atrás se halla”: Ím going to share that tomorrow.
I read through your post and couldn’t help but think this Leonor alcocer and descendants had to be connected to the alcocers we know came in 1520 and 1538- Beatriz, Francisca, Baltazar etc.

I went through my notes and found one Alonso de Alcocer, son of Gutierre de Alcocer and Leonor de la Sal, hija de Juan de Sal y Isabel Fernandez. Alonso paso en 1566 a la nueva españa como criado del clérigo Pedro Moreno (pasajeros IV no. 4788). Gutierre alcocer was the son of Fernando Alcocer married to gracia de Prado (Pardo fam). Now Fernando is either brother or first cousin to Diego alcocer who is married to Blanca Núñez. Still figuring this out. my source is the Juan Gil books v. 3 under Alcocer pg 206.

I know that this Alonso has diff parents but everything else is a good match so I thought I’d share just in case it sparks anything

Two branches of the Alcocer family made it from Alcala de Henares to Toledo. The heads of both branches were tax farmers. I have not yet been able to come up with the descendants of Hernan Diaz de Alcocer of Toledo. Alvaro de Alcocer was the head of the other branch and he stated in court that he descendsed from the prestigious Alcocer family that originated in Alcala de Henares through his paternal lineage. This Alvaro de Alcocer was the father of Juan de Alcocer, Antonio ALVAREZ de Alcocer, and Mencia de Alcocer. Mencia de Alcocer was married to Juan Núñez de Toledo (Jurado, tax farmer).

Hi Manny.

I have done much research on the Alcocer family in Sevilla Spain. One branch of the Alcocer family did move to Toledo where they married distant cousins from the Cota, San Pedro, and Herrera families. When I get home I’ll look up what I have on this branch and see if there is a connection.

Thanks,
Rick A Ricci

Hola! No se si ya te respondieron pero yo tambien tengo la conneciones a los ruiz velasco (mi abuelita es Ruiz Velasco nacida en Jamay).

Veo que tu arbol empiesa con Tomas y Antonio Ruiz Velasco Sagu.

Esto es lo que te pudeo decir:

Los padres de Tomas y Antonio fueron Juan Manuel de Velasco y Catharina Tello de Orosco.

Los hijos de Juan Manuel y Catharina que e encontrado son:

Maria de los Reyes (bautiso 8 Ene 1746) (posible)
Maria de la Candelaria (b. 10 Feb. 1748) (posible)
Manuel Eusebio (b. 20 Mayo 1751) (posible porque Thomas nace en menos de 7 meses despues...talves ay un hijo ilejitimo?)
Thomas de Jesus (b. 31 Dic 1751)
Rita Mathiana (b. 7 Mar 1753)
Joseph Antonio (b. 12 Jun 1755)
Maria Theresa (b. 12 Aug 1756)
(Joseph Antonio Francisco (b. 17 Oct 1757)
Joseph Vicente (b. 10 Abr 1760)
Juan Ignacio de la Luz (b. 28 Oct. 1762)

Nota que Thomas Ruiz Velasco se case 3 vezes:

Con Francisca Sagu y Gonsales (1 Mar. 1778)
Con Rita Mora (26 Abr. 1797)
Con Ana Maria Carillo (20 Oct

Might the name be "Alvertez?"

Top right - baptism of Luis Vela (son of Antonio Vela and Francisca Molina/Tapia/Bobadilla)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-T49T-R6?i=49&cc=1804458

II don't know where I put the rest of my links, but I have Francisca de Molina and her brother Francisco de Molina as children of Luis de Molina. Francisco was married to Isabel Alvertez/Albertiz (i'm not sure the proper spelling of this name).

Hope that helps
! Andrea

My guess is exactly under 7, because at 7 or older they would be confirmed.

This is just a guess

sus

Hi Esther,

I haven't tried it myself, but I think you can upload the PDF to your member file folder on this site, and in that way share it with other members. I do have family from Degollado, so I am very interested in the padrón you found.

By the way, I forgot to list another book about Degollado that I bought this past summer, this one for children, and it's called Historia en verso del Pueblo de Degollado Jalisco by Jesús Parra González (el maestro).

Did you ever break through your brick wall on Buenaventura Hernández Martínez? I remember you searched forever for his baptismal record.