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Where did you live in El Paso at that time? I lived across from Sacred Heart Church and School for the first 8 years of my life. As a kid, I hated going across the border because it was so unfamiliar to be and because of all the noise, the exotic odors, the beggars, and the language. I was always afraid, although no one would have harmed me but that's how I was then. Now, I can appreciate everything about it, including the interesting architecture. Marge:)





On Jun 27, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

Joseph, 

I'll do the translating for you. Just give me a little time and I'll 
email you the Spanish version. 

Just one thing.  Should I wait until you make final revisions to the 
English original?  

Victor



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> Who is the English Major in the group? I really really need help 
getting 
> the following form letter into the proper English before I work 
with 
> John and anyone else that would care to join in translating it into 
Spanish.
> 
> Can someone help me with the English?
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: its okay to tear it to shreds and rewrite if that is what it 
needs. 
> All I care about is that the basic information be included.
> 
> ====================
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm glad you are interested in joining the Ranchos group: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/. We are a small but 
dedicated 
> group of serious researchers. Here is the description of the group 
from 
> our home page:
> 
> "This group is for those actively searching for their Mexican 
Genealogy 
> Roots. El objetivo de este grupo cibernético es para poner en 
contacto 
> genealogistas serios que tienen raíces en Jalisco, Zacatecas y 
> Aguascalientes, y así, facilitar las investigaciónes genealógicas 
de los 
> miembros. The intent but never the requirement is to stay focused 
on the 
> Ranchos of Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes. If you are a 
serious 
> researcher or want to be a serious researcher this group is for 
you. If 
> you have no intention of doing your own research I would suggest 
the 
> multitude of message boards available at Rootsweb. Please scan 
through 
> the message archive, which is open to the general public, to get an 
idea 
> of what is meant by doing your own research.
> 
> Note: If you decide to join this group it will be expected that as 
soon 
> as you are comfortable you will introduce yourself describing what 
> surnames you are researching in what areas during which time 
periods. 
> Also you will be expected to send in your Genealogy line from the 
> Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes areas so that we can try to 
make 
> some connections with one another. These files or links to your 
> Genealogy will be kept in Non-Public areas of the group."
> 

Good and sad times:
We also went to the Marcado in Juarez back in the
early '50s.  My mom would buy dry goods which were
really expensive for us to buy in the United States
(Los Angeles).  Would you believe that we also
purchased young parrots and smuggled them across to El
Paso!  Later on this turned out to be a sad
remembrance for me, when I found out that thousands,
maybe millions, of the these beautiful birds were
wiped out of the rain forests in Mexico, just because
of greed and ignorance.

Alberto.

--- Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@...> wrote:

> When I was a kid, we would cross the border into
> Juarez with my aunts 
> and mother to go shopping at the Mercado, and one of
> the merchants had 
> a display of pinole.  It was sold in paper
> cones--sometimes piñata-type 
> paper and sometimes newspaper.  I liked it...didn't
> get it too often, 
> though.  Marge:)
> On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Irma GomezLucero
> wrote:
> 
> >   Pinole is great with a little milk--sort of a
> mush.  Love it for
> >  breakfast.  Has anyone heard the following
> expression:
> >
> >        El que tiene mas saliva, come mas
> pinole.
> >
> >  Sorry didn't use accents even after the flood of
> emails on the 
> > subject.  My
> >  engineer and architect cousins from Mexico D.F.
> don't either in their
> >  letters to me. When asked about this, they
> responded that they knew 
> > how to
> >  pronounce the words without the accents, etc.,
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >  From: lrapido [mailto:1gnzlz@...]
> >  Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:35 PM
> >  To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> >  Subject: [ranchos] Pinole
> >
> >  Talking about food...
> >  I wonder how many of our members have heard of
> "Pinole" ? Pinole is a 
> > high
> >  energy food made from dry roasted corn ground-up
> and mixed with brown 
> > sugar
> >  (Piloncillo, o panocha) and cinnamon and
> sometimes either lemon or 
> > orange
> >  peel for flavoring. The Tarahumara indians of
> Chihuahua use it as a 
> > staple
> >  food. Tarahumaras are basically vegetarians, with
> meat accounting for 
> > about

When I was a kid, we would cross the border into Juarez with my aunts and mother to go shopping at the Mercado, and one of the merchants had a display of pinole. It was sold in paper cones--sometimes piñata-type paper and sometimes newspaper. I liked it...didn't get it too often, though. Marge:)

On Jun 27, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Irma GomezLucero wrote:

My wife cooks 95%-99% of the food mentioned so far.
Yes, I'm spoiled, but not overweight, thanks to her.

Alberto.

--- Irma GomezLucero <igomezlucero@...> wrote:

> We called them tamales dulces.  They are pretty
> good.  Has anyone ever had
> tamales de elote?  Those are wonderful too.  
> Irma
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
> [mailto:longsjourney@...] 
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:16 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Tamales
> 
> 
> Joseph, we must be the other family that eats raisin
> tamales, my mothers
> family is from Jalisco and my Zacatecas family
> thought they were crazy!
> Linda
> 
> Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >> "Mexican
> >>genealogy is like a 
> >>big bowl of tamales, you never know what you're
> >>gonna get".  You may 
> >>pull out a pork tamale, or beef, or cheese, beans,
> >>coconut, sugar and 
> >>raisins.....
> >>
> Raisin Tamales. . .I thought my mom was the only one
> that made these.
> 
> Boy could I eat a dozen by myself right now (but not
> all Raisin). I 
> guess I'd have to say that Pork with lots of "gordo"
> on the meat are my 
> favorite. but I can't eat Tamales that have been
> cooked, cooled, frozen 
> and warmed up [well I guess I could]. I have to have
> mine fresh cooked. 
> Boy are they good.
> 
> I'd say that Tamales are my favorite food, then
> again I think I'd rather 
> have a big bowl of Menudo with lots of chopped
> onion, some oregano, 
> cilantro, and lemon juice and a tall pile! of flour
> tortillas (fresh made).
> 
> Can the next person flying to North Carolina bring
> me some tamales?
> 
> Solito aqui en Carolina del Norte,
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: my mom's mom was from Jalisco. That is how this
> discussion of 
> Tamales fits in and stays on topic!
> 
> >>    
> >>
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
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  Pinole is great with a little milk--sort of a mush.  Love it for
breakfast.  Has anyone heard the following expression:

	El que tiene mas saliva, come mas pinole.

Sorry didn't use accents even after the flood of emails on the subject.  My
engineer and architect cousins from Mexico D.F. don't either in their
letters to me. When asked about this, they responded that they knew how to
pronounce the words without the accents, etc.,

-----Original Message-----
From: lrapido [mailto:1gnzlz@...] 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 4:35 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Pinole

Talking about food...
I wonder how many of our members have heard of "Pinole" ? Pinole is a high
energy food made from dry roasted corn ground-up and mixed with brown sugar
(Piloncillo, o panocha) and cinnamon and sometimes either lemon or orange
peel for flavoring. The Tarahumara indians of Chihuahua use it as a staple
food. Tarahumaras are basically vegetarians, with meat accounting for about
less than 10% of their diet. They eat Pinole it or drink it ( can be mixed
with water or ? ) before they run the ultra marathons.  Pinole is a very
convinient high energy food because in its powder form can keep for months.
It is carried in a pouch during long trips and is used to sometimes replace
whole meals. The Tarahumaras are universally known as runners. Tarahumaras
have run the 100 mile marathon from Nevada to California.  They think
nothing of running 50 miles or more to go visit friends or relatives in a
distant village.  When was the last time you did that!
They hunt by running animals until the animal gets tired and gives up. That
includes deer, rabbits and whatever animal they choose to chase.
 Pinole is very sweet and very tasty. Try it, next time you go to Mexico, or
better yet, make your own! In Mexico it is sold at just about any grocery
store, kids love it, just make sure you plan a high energy activity for
them. If you are runner or into high energy sports, you should give it a
try. 

John Gonzalez

 




 
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Hi Linda,
	These sound like tamales de elote.  They grind raw corn--not dry
corn.  Corn that you would eat for corn on the cob.  I don't recall what
they mix the ground corn with, but they place the mixture into the corn
husks, again green corn husks and they steam them.  Then you eat them warm
with butter.
Yummy!
Irma 

-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long [mailto:longsjourney@...] 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:49 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Tamales

When I was in Mexico for the first time 2 years ago while in Guadalajara our
hostess stopped to buy corn tamales from a roadside stand that she
frequently buys from.  They were pure corn made with corn oil, no meat
fillers, no sause just pure corn tamale.  I had never seen that before but
they were very sweet just as they were.

As an American born Mexican I was surprised at all the foods I didn't
recognize both in Jalisco and Zacatecas.  I did find eating more healthy,
cooking much plainer and portions much smaller.  In El Durazno, District of
Jerez, the white cheese was delivered to the door wrapped in a cloth, the
corn tortillas were made by 2 local women who started at 5am and closed at
8:30am.  People came by and bought them by weight including just masa if
they wanted to make tamales.  I had never seen corn taken from the husk to a
corn tortilla, they let me help since I was family.. they did use a machine
to shape and cook them. They typically ate twice a day with a very light
dinner of chocolate and sweet bread or fruit around 8pm. We were invited for
lunch at 3pm and were served potatoes, beans, tortillas, white cheese and a
huge platter of cucumbers with limes.  Best meal I had in Mexico! They also
went to market daily and fruits and veggies were fresh not canned.. we may
still have a lot to learn from our 3rd world neighbors..
Linda




 
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That's something else my grandma would have cooking on her stove...camote. She would serve yams or sweet potatoes cooked in brown sugar (or peloncillo) with milk in a bowl. I never ate them, but my older sister Lissie just loved them.



Marge:)

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Marge,

You brought cherished memories back.  Those sayings are all too well 
known by me and my brothers.

The version my mother remembers from her childhood, whose words we 
were tickled to, is "andaba la hormiguita, buscando su leñita, llegó 
la lloviznita y corrió, corrió para su casita". Even my daughter 
enjoyed as a child laughing openly when being tickled by her grandma.

I'm sure you must remember this one: "este dedito se halló un 
huevito, este lo coció, este lo peló, este le echó la sal y este 
gordito se lo comió" while at the same time the fingers were ran from 
the little toe to the big toe.  Who else remembers?

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza <TeaCozyGran@k...> 
wrote:
> My Jerezana grandma used to tell me, "El que comè y canta, loco se 
> levanta," because I used to sing at her table when I was little.  
> Another saying, that I have passed on to my grandchildren, 
is "habia 
> una viejita buscando lenya, cuando encontro su lenya, corrio, 
corrio 
> para su casa."  And she would be walking her fingers up my arm and 
> tickle me at the end of the story.
> 
> Marge:)

My Jerezana grandma used to tell me, "El que comè y canta, loco se levanta," because I used to sing at her table when I was little. Another saying, that I have passed on to my grandchildren, is "habia una viejita buscando lenya, cuando encontro su lenya, corrio, corrio para su casa." And she would be walking her fingers up my arm and tickle me at the end of the story.



Marge:)

On Jun 25, 2005, at 10:42 PM, Victor Villarreal wrote:

What a wonderful story you have shared! When I went to Jerez in late November 2000, I was only there for a few hours because the altitude was killing me...my husband and I stayed in Zacatecas city and man!!! was I ever sick. We cut short our trip and flew to Juarez, crossed the border to El Paso, spent the night at my sister's house, drove to Albuquerque, and then drove home to KC.



I loved being there...and wanted spend more time there. As far as I know, my grandmother had no living relatives there left, I did touch base with some very, very distant relatives and spoke about family history. My grandmother's madrina was Trinidad Berumen, which is the name of a famous poet's mother. There are numerous family names we share.



Let's do more of this! Marge:)

On Jun 26, 2005, at 1:02 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

My dad's mother was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and she died just before my
sixth birthday so I don't have a lot of memories of her but here's one
or two:

I remember her fixing something called atole, which I didn't like, but
remembering it from a fog of some years' distance, I would say it's a
healthy drink. She also had prunes in her oatmeal, so when I'd pop in
to visit her in the morning and she had some, I'd be served a dish of
it and enjoy it. I liked it better than my mother's porridge (which I
realize now was a true Scots dish). At special times, don't know what
they were, Abuelita would have capirotada, which I didn't like too
well. Remember, I was just a kid!:)

I'll have to think about some more food...some of it was just the food
from northern Mexico that my grandfather liked--he was from Chihuahua
city.

I wish I had had the blessing of more time with my grandmother, maybe I
would have learned things about her family in Zacatecas. I believe
even she didn't know a lot about her family history and I say that
because my Tias, dad's sisters, don't know much about their mother's
life in Zacatecas. I'm the one who told my Tia Carmen that my abuelita
had a full sister named Paula, a full brother named Jose (who died in
1919) and 2 half-sisters and a half-brother...they never knew! People
in the old country NEVER discussed anything private. Marge:)

all messages sent to the group are archived on the home page. go there
and click on messages and you will see everything we ever talked about
with a very few exceptions.

joseph

lrapido wrote:

I am sorry.
I somehow deleted a message from a person asking about Teocaltiche
Please send the message again.  I would love to answer it.

John Gonzalez





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