Agulurco ??? in Zacatecas?

I have found a death record of a Pilar Lopez who died in DeRidder, Beauregard Parish, Louisiana on 24 Aug 1953.

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Emilie,

There is "Ahualulco" in San Luis Potosí and an "Ahualulco de Mercado" in Jalisco. Never heard of one in Zacatecas Incidentally, this is the first time I hear the name Pilar given to a male, as Pilar is usually a name given to a female.

Bill Figueroa

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Bill and Emily,

I have seen the name Pilar for both male and female.

Alicia

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Emilie,

There is "Ahualulco" in San Luis Potosí and an "Ahualulco de Mercado" in Jalisco.  Never heard of one in Zacatecas  Incidentally, this is the first time I hear the name Pilar given to a male, as Pilar is usually a name given to a female.

Bill Figueroa

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Yes, I just remembered that one of my great-grandmothers had a brother named Pilar. I guess back before 1900 Pilar was used interchangeably for both boys and girls.

Emilie

> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 22:14:29 -0700
> From: alliecar@pacbell.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Name of Pilar
>
> Bill and Emily,
>
> I have seen the name Pilar for both male and female.
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bill Figueroa
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Agulurco ??? in Zacatecas?
>
> Emilie,
>
> There is "Ahualulco" in San Luis Potosí and an "Ahualulco de Mercado" in Jalisco. Never heard of one in Zacatecas Incidentally, this is the first time I hear the name Pilar given to a male, as Pilar is usually a name given to a female.
>
> Bill Figueroa

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I have an uncle named pilar. I believe that it is used equally to name males and females in my families hometown in Jalisco.
R A Ricci
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Emilie,

There is "Ahualulco" in San Luis Potosí and an "Ahualulco de Mercado" in Jalisco. Never heard of one in Zacatecas Incidentally, this is the first time I hear the name Pilar given to a male, as Pilar is usually a name given to a female.

Bill Figueroa

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Bill,

Thank you for your response. I will try different spellings and see what I can find.

Yes, I had a very hard time finding out what his real name was. His daughter's death record listed him as "Velar" and I finally found the family in the US census records with him as Pilar and in 1920 he was listed as "Pete". He immigrated from Mexico in 1900 and settled in Louisiana where his children grew up speaking French instead of English or Spanish. Go figure.

Emilie

> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 22:26:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Agulurco ??? in Zacatecas?
>
> Emilie,
>
> There is "Ahualulco" in San Luis Potosí and an "Ahualulco de Mercado" in Jalisco. Never heard of one in Zacatecas Incidentally, this is the first time I hear the name Pilar given to a male, as Pilar is usually a name given to a female.
>
> Bill Figueroa

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Emilie,

I found it interesting that Pilar's (or Pete's) children grew up speaking
French in Louisiana. That is not unusual considering that Luisiana was
under French and Spanish rule before the independence of the U.S. However,
nearly all French speaking creoles living in the southwestern parishes of
Louisiana are descendants of French Canadians that resisted the British
occupation of Acadia early in the 18th century, and who were later expulsed
by the British beginning in 1755. After their homes were burned and their
land confiscated, many Acadians sailed South and settled in the bayous of
Louisiana. The descendants of those who settled in Louisiana after 1764 are
better known as Cajuns. They speak French and keep their culture and
traditions alive.

Bill Figueroa

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Bill,

I googled "Ahualulco, Zacatecas", and this link came up:
http://www.nuestro-mexico.com/Zacatecas/Juchipila/Areas-de-menos-de-10-…

It is in the municipio of Juchipila! Currently only 10 people live there.

My cousin who I am helping with his research told me that his maternal grandmother was born in Louisiana and spoke only French. After researching, she was really born in Tampico, Tamaulipas, and was brought to Louisiana as a very small child by her father Pilar Lopez. I wondered why she didn't speak English or Spanish. I was unaware of any migration from Mexico to LA in the late 1800s and early 1900s, at least not like I have seen to Texas and the rest of the Southwest.

Yes, I knew about Cajuns in Louisiana though not where they came from. In fact, my brother-in-law (African-American) had a relative from Louisiana, and when he spoke English I couldn't understand a word he said, his southern accent was so thick. He told me and my sister that we

Elizalde en Guadalajara 1800`s

Alguien que me pueda ayudar a seguir con la cadenita, les paso hasta donde sé:

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Ya tengo los padres de José María Elizalde: Fueron José María Elizalde y Lorenza Elizalde (Aunque no se si ese era su apellido o llevaba el del esposo) En actas aparecen como españoles. Hasta 1810 radicaban en Guadalajara.

Todo lo mejor!

Juan Macias Valadez

I have just located the will of Juan Macias Valadez in the Aguascalientes archives. It is dated 24 Nov 1680.

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George, this site is wonderful. I was able to extend a "dead-end" line 3 more generations. For me it worked easiest to just use the "Tipo" button and scroll down to "Testamentos." Sorry to sound too greedy; but my question now is whether there is a way to use the Archivo Historical de Jalisco? Thank you, Deedra Corona

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Deedra

Thank you the complement; but it really goes to others at NR who originally posted the information about this site.

I'm not familiar with the Jalisco archive ... perhaps someone else at NR is familiar with it?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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George:
I thikn you discovered something very interesting! Josepha and Ana Macias Saldaña are both my ancestors!; the first married to Jacinto Sandoval Gutiérrez, and the second to Francisco Martel Macias Valadez.
What I'm not so sure is if the Gaspar Macías Valadez is the son of Nicolas and Leonor.
Juan Macías Valadez died July 3, 1681 in Aguascalientes.

Luis Núñez Gornés

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Luis

This is indeed interesting! Have you seen the will? You can view it at http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/AXWeb

For details of how to access this site and do searches please see the NR postings at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19329

The user name and password for general access is
User name: sigue.publica
password: publica

There are several wills of the Macias Valades family there also.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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George and Luis,
Below is the transcription I made of the testament of Juan Macias Valadez.

Jaime Alvarado

Testamento por poder (Al margen)

En el nombre de Dios todo poderoso. Amen ===
Sepan quantos esta carta de testamento bieren como nos ‐
Francisco Martel y Juana Masias. biuda de Juan Masias Balades.
besinos desta la juridicsion de aguas calientes. En nombre y en
bos del dicho Juan Masias balades y en birtud del poder y comision
que nos otrogo estan do enfermo de la enfermedad de quisalle
Tío para que por ella pudieramos aser y otorgar su testamen
to y ultima boluntad como por el dicho poder parese que paso
ante d' alonso navarrete argote escribano publico. Su fecha
en la estancia del mesquital desta juridicsion de Aguascalientes
en siete dias del mes de agosto deste presente año, a qual
le bamos que lee tenor. Con el de la licensia que por la justisia ordinaria
nos fue consedida son del tenor siguiente ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
aqui el poder y lisensia
En virtud del qual

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Jaime

Thank you very much! This is greatly appreciated. I know how long it takes to transcribe these documents.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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George and Luis,
No need to thank me. Over the last years I've received so much from NR members, that reciprocating is a pleasure. George, regarding how long it takes to transcribe these documents, it depends on several factors. 1) Quality of image\condition of the document, 2) How legible is the handwriting of an specific author, 3) Whether abbreviations or odd terms\names are used (there are some very interesting terms for disease or farm and home utencils), 4) length of the document, and 4) Transcribing method. 5) Experience. This one of Juan Macias Valades took me a very long time (about six hours) because of issues with poor permanship and certain abbreviations that were difficult to decipher, the usage of certain terms, including some latin, and the length of the document, and it was my second attempt to transcribe a testament. However, one thing that accelerates the pace of transcription, is to focus on batches from a particular notary. You do not only learn how to read the

Trying to understand Mexican death records

I hope someone can help me understand how to find death records.
For instance, I tried to find a record for Marciala Guerrero in the

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El Número que está antes del nombre es el número del acta y el que está después es el número de la página del libro.

Ve a este enlace https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-21282-27053-65?cc=1918187…

es la imagen 463 Y puedes ver arriba el número 51 y la segunda acta comienza "al margen número 159 etc. ...."

Esa es el acta que buscas de Marciala Guerrero que murió de 90 años.

Saludos

Jorge Elias
Miami, FL

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Hello Nancy,

In the civil records that I have looked at in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco state
that they are transcriptions of the original records and I deduced that they
also wrote the numbers of the original records in case they needed to be
referred to.

Armando

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:54 PM, wrote:

> I hope someone can help me understand how to find death records.
> For instance, I tried to find a record for Marciala Guerrero in the
> Defunciones Civil Records for Jalisco, Tlajalmulco, 1917-1924. In the
> index where I found her name (image 385) there was #159 before her name
> and #51 after. What do the numbers refer to? I never did find this record.
> Is there some kind of order as to how to find the index? In searching one
> by one, I found several records for children within the same pages, so I
> wondered if this was done for a reason. Thanks.
> Nancy

Galvan Family Aquascalientes

I am earnestly looking for information on the Galvan side of my family.

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There are quite a few Galvan in Jalisco and Guanajuato. You should search
these states as well as contiue to search Aguascalientes.

Armando

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:09 AM, wrote:

> I am earnestly looking for information on the Galvan side of my family.
> I've been able to locate Gregorio Galvan b.1787 Ascientos, Aquascalientes,
> married to Juana Rosalia De La Trinidad Sanchez b.1784 and had a son Nestor
> b.1807. My question is, did his parent/s (Gregorio's) migrate from Spain or
> do I just need to start looking else where and where would that be? Any
> kind of help would be appreciated. I just feel like I'm at a road block.

Marriage certificate info help

I was hoping that someone with more experience in early 1800s marriage log translation could help me out with some terminology/abbreviation.

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Can you provide us with the URL address of the image of the marriage entry
in question? The URL is in the address bar at the top of the browser and is
unique to that image. Seeing the entry will allow someone here to transcribe
it.

Armando

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:51 PM, wrote:

> I was hoping that someone with more experience in early 1800s marriage log
> translation could help me out with some terminology/abbreviation.
>
> In the margin of the church log it states the name of the couple to be
> married, followed by the abbreviation "esp." in lower case cursive. What
> does that mean?
>
> Also in the body of the text it reads "Para el matrimonio... (then it looks
> like a lower case q with a lower case e or l above it) the next word looks
> like conmq (& again the lower case q has what looks to be an n above it.
>
> Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks.
> Monica -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Unfortunately there is no URL I got the information from film that I ordered and viewed at the LDS church, and the image was very bad so it did not print well. I transcribed what I could and took a picture of the computer screen. I will try and upload those images but they are not very clear either. I just thought someone might have an idea, or be familiar with these terms/abbreviations.

Thanks,
Monica Ochoa

En respuesta a por mazochoa

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What's the number of the film?

Armando

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:13 AM, wrote:

> Unfortunately there is no URL I got the information from film that I
> ordered and viewed at the LDS church, and the image was very bad so it did
> not print well. I transcribed what I could and took a picture of the
> computer screen. I will try and upload those images but they are not very
> clear either. I just thought someone might have an idea, or be familiar with
> these terms/abbreviations.
>
> Thanks, Monica Ochoa

En respuesta a por Armando

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The film # is 1155497. I have posted a picture of the image in a file folder attachment as well, although it is not very clear it is the best I could do.

Thanks

Monica Ochoa

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I found the image online at
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-56480-10?cc=1874591&wc…

The portion you are asking about says: "...para el matrimonio que
contrajeron Santos Cervantes español originario y vecino de esta
feligresía...."

We are related through the paternal grandmother of Santos de Avalos/Dávalos
and maybe through some of your other ancestors. I haven't been able to find
the grandparents of Bacilio Valadez González de Rubalcava the maternal
grandfather of Santos.

Saludos
Armando

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote:

> The film # is 1155497. I have posted a picture of the image in a file
> folder attachment as well, although it is not very clear it is the best I
> could do.
>
> Thanks
>
> Monica Ochoa

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This is to correct an error -

I meant "We are related through the paternal grandmother of Santos through
de Avalos/Dávalos..."

Armando

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Armando wrote:

> I found the image online at
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-56480-10?cc=1874591&wc…
>
> The portion you are asking about says: "...para el matrimonio que
> contrajeron Santos Cervantes español originario y vecino de esta
> feligresía...."
>
> We are related through the paternal grandmother of Santos de Avalos/Dávalos
> and maybe through some of your other ancestors. I haven't been able to find
> the grandparents of Bacilio Valadez González de Rubalcava the maternal
> grandfather of Santos.
>
> Saludos
> Armando
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 5:16 PM, wrote:
>
>> The film # is 1155497. I have posted a picture of the image in a file
>> folder attachment as well, although it is not very clear it is the best I
>> could do.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Monica Ochoa

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Armando,

WOW, Thanks so much for your help!

How is it that you found that image on-line, and why is it that I had to order the film? When I looked it up, it specified "image not available on-line" what am I doing wrong? I am sorry to bombard you with questions, but what a lead you have given me! I don't have the information past (Jose de los) Santos Cervantes and you have info on his grandmother...its amazing, exciting, and wonderful. Please tell me more, or tell me where I can view your ancestry.

Thanks again so much, really appreciate it.
Monica Ochoa

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Monica,

I have found so many that have said not available online but i just look up the film number and find what roll its in and I have had 98% success in finding them online.
Armando is awesome at transcribing!!!

Amalia Hernandez Arias

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Hello Monica,

This should answer questions from various messages you have posted.

In this case when it specifies image not available online it just meant they
haven't linked the search result to the page of the image. In order to find
out if the image is actually online or not you need to look up the name of
the film from the film number at
https://www.familysearch.org/#form=catalog&catSearchType=film_number
This will give you a list of all film numbers for the same parish. Look for
your film number in that list which will give you your film name. That film
name will be found in the list of films online under the parish. I have an
index of film numbers, film names, and dates found in them at
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtTSEvZUKl0ldDNURlNCWnFnQy…
The index can help find within which pages the image should exist although
at times they records can be a few pages later.

When the film number isn't listed just assume it is in

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Estimado Armando,

Me interesa este tema sobre los Valdés en Santa María de los Lagos. Desciendo de unos Valdés pero no sé existe un vínculo con los que mencionastes López Valdés. Los míos tengo lo siguiente:

· D. Juan Basilio de Valdés casó Da. María de Aguilar ca. 1715 en Lagos
· D. Joseph de Valdés y Aguilar nació hacia 1718 en Lagos y falleció el 12 de julio de 1783 en Aguascalientes casó Da. Águeda de Salas y Bonilla hacia 1740 en Lagos.
· D. José Gregorio de Valdés y Aguilar bautizado el 18 de marzo de 1759 en Aguascalientes casó Da. María Josefa Jacoba Alonso de los Hinojos el 25 de junio de 1788 en Aguascalientes.
· Da. María Marcelina de Valdés y Aguilar nació el 2 de junio de 1796 en Aguascalientes casó a D. Joseph Antonio Martínez de Sotomayor el 26 de mayo de 1826 en Aguascalientes.
· Da. María de los Dolores Martínez de Sotomayor nació hacia 1829 en Aguascalientes casó al Lic. D. Eugenio de Camino, (mi cuarto bisabuelo por dos líneas)

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Estimado Daniel,

Si han de ser parientes. Explicaré como llegué a deducir eso.

Parece que Joseph de Valdés y Aguilar fue bautizado como Joseph Mateo el 19
Oct 1712 nacido en La Mololoa que parece que parece que también era conocido
como Rio de Santa María por los bautismos de otros Valdés y Aguilar y Valdés
Gómez aparte de otras familias que en alguna ocasiones los hijos habían
nacidos en uno u otro de estos dos lugares. Tengo planeado hablar, un día de
estos, a un señor de Lagos amigo de un tío, e hijo de un compadre de mi
abuelo, que según esta escribiendo un libro sobre los ranchos de Lagos, para
verificar esto. En la página
http://www.historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/Sauces.html se
encuentra lo siguiente:

*El análisis de las primeras mercedes o repartos de tierra a los
conquistadores y los registros sacramentales que se resguardan en las
antiguas Notarias Parroquiales de la Región, nos permiten afirmar que por un
determinado tiempo el Rio de la Mololoa, llamado por

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I am not sure if its the same Bacilio Balades/Baldes. But the info I have is as follows:

Jose de los Santos Cervantes son of
Ana Gertrudis Balades/Baldes (& Vicente Cervantes married 1761) daughter of
Bacilio Balades (& Maria Manuela Gomes married 8/20/1730 Sta Ma. de los Lagos Moreno) son of Luis Baldes & Ana Lopes.

I hope this is info relevant to your search. If we are related please tell me ho so I can incorporate any info I am missing

Thanks!

Monica Ochoa

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esp. means espa~ol (spanish); it means that they were either spaniards or from spanish ancestors. the other notes i dont know, maybe if i see the document'
hope this helps!

A. Bugarin

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Every bit helps, Thanks!
I really appreciate it.

I will try and upload the images I have, but they are not very clear.

Monica Ochoa

Linaje Aranda

Hola compañeros de Nuestros Ranchos:

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Estimado Enrique,

También desciendo de la familia Aranda. Aunque no estoy seguro si tus Aranda son los mismos, ya que proceden de Cocula y los mios son de Lagos de Moreno, pero existe la posibilidad. La familia era muy numerosa y radicaron a sitios como Guadalajara, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, Leon, Salvatierra, Guanajuato, Zamora y Morelia. La linea principal quedo en Santa Maria de los Lagos donde casaron con familias muy reconocidas como los Moreno de Ortega, Muñoz de Xérez, González de Ruvalcaba, López de Nava, Reynoso y Rentería, Gómez de Portugal y los Puelles.

Los Aranda mediante la línea Puelles descendían del muy antiguo e ilustre Solar de Puelles. Si puedes remotar tus Aranda a los de Santa María de los Lagos es muy probable que desciendes del Solar de Puelles. Déjame saber si necesitas ayuda en ese tema.

Yo, mi padre y mi abuelo somos desciendientes de dicho solar. Les toca por la línea de mi bisabuela Da. Lucía Serrano-Ornelas. Si mal no recuerdo es
Serrano-Ornelas>>

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Hola Daniel:

Muchas gracias por tus atenciones. Acabo de publicar un tema de foro donde explico como logré extender mi ascendencia aún más por Aranda y estabas en lo correcto, llegué hasta Aguascalientes, hasta un señor llamado Estéban de Aranda, casado con Josefa González Ramírez,el 31 de Diciembre de 1714 pero Estéban viene como hijo de padres no conocidos por lo que ya no pude avanzar en esa rama. Por cierto una pregunta, con toda la experiencia que tienes en la materia, ¿Cuándo alguien era hijo de padres no conocidos, como se determinaba el apellido que debía llevar?
José de Aranda y González, hijo de ellos dos, también mi ancestro, casó con Petra de Salas, orignaria de Lagos de Moreno, lo que cual demuestra su parentesco con dicha región de Jalisco, de dónde eran originarios éstos Aranda.

Bueno, ya que leas este comentario y el tema de foro que te platico me das tu punto de vista al respecto.

Saludos.

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Daniel:

Únicamente llego hasta los padres de Petra de Salas, que lo fueron Patricio de Salas y Gertrudis Díaz aka Hernández. Tal como publiqué en el otro tema de foro, los padres de Gertrudis, deben de ser mencionados en una dispensa del año de 1717 en Teocaltiche, que se encuentra en el libro de Luz Montejano, pero yo no lo tengo. La dispensa es entre Francisco de Salas y María Catalina Díaz. Patricio de Salas y Gertrudis Díaz, tienen hijos bautizados tanto en Lagos de Moreno como en Aguascalientes pero no he hallado acta matrimonial. Ojalá ayuden de algo estos datos.

Un saludo.

Enrique

Linaje Huerta (Guerta) y Atilano

Hola,

He llegado a una pared y escribo para alguna asistencia concerniente el
linaje de Ricardo Huerta (Guerta) casado con Maria Atilano de San Juan de
los Lagos, Jalisco entre 1750-1800.

Anyone else??

Anyone else researching or have any relations to rancho Los juarez In Jerez, zacatecas?

Los Juarez

I descend directly from the Juarez line that founded and owns the rancho Los Juarez in. Jerez, Zacatecas.I am currently only 3 generations back in my lineage and am still interested in finding more.

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I just uploaded 36 Juarez individuals on my GEDCOM Tree here at NuestrosRanchos;

Joseph de Leon Family Tree

Hope this helps you

Jose Carlos de Leon

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Oh Linda thank you!! This is just the thing I've been looking for! A real help you have been to my family, we all thank you for your time and effort on behalf of my family :) Alot of helpful info was in your records.

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Lorenzo, forgive me but I think you're from the Cayetano Juarez line?  If you are then I have your line back to abt 1730 on Rootsweb.com.  I just updated today.  My file is called Mexico and then put in Cayetano Juarez, then go to pedigree in text form.  You are related to el Capitan Miguel Caldera through his sisters child.
There are a couple of people in Nuestrosranchos who live in Jerez and do genealogy. I'm not sure what they charge but they should be able to find land records for you.  Maybe the group can give you their names, they slip my mind right this second.
My e-mail has changed from longsjourney@hotmail.com to longsjourney@yahoo.com so I lost my files on hotmail when they decided I wasn't me!
hope this is of help to you
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

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Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 3:26 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Juarez

I descend directly from the Juarez line

Partidas de Bautismo donde al infante le dan el titulo de "Don o' Don'a" en los 1800's

Hola,

Simplemente por curiosidad, cuantos de ustedes se han "topado"(encontrado) con una partida de bautismo donde al infante le dan el titulo de "Don o' Don'a"

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Hola Daniel,

No habia aguardado el link, pero por suerte tenia' una idea por donde mas o menos buscar. Afortunadamente si lo encontre'. El link es el siguiente:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19038-18432-17?cc=1874591&wc…

El nombre de la infante es: "Don'a Maria Candida Ana Rosalia De la Mora", la conexion "Villar Villamil" esta por el lado materno.

P.D. Quizas tambien te interese leer el articulo en el siguiente link, encontraras informacion de los Villar y Villamil:

http://vamonosalbable.blogspot.com/2010/10/hacienda-de-buenavista-vista…

Espero que te sirva la informacion,
Roberto Hdez

Pio Rodriguez 1811

I found the name Pio Roriguez as a padrino on a birth record in 1811 and I just want to know if that is a full name or is it short for something. Does anyone know?

Thanks,
Monica

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Ruben is absolutely correct Pio was a shortened version of Pioquinto. In English the literal translation is Pio Quinto or Pious the Fifth, after the pope.

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Pio is a full name, a version of Pious - latin or Pius

Late Latin name meaning "pious, dutiful". This was the name of twelve popes

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I'm pretty sure his full name is Pioquinto Rodriguez.

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pio Rodriguez 1811

I found the name Pio Roriguez as a padrino on a birth record in 1811 and I just want to know if that is a full name or is it short for something. Does anyone know?

Thanks,
Monica

Encontré el nombre Pío Roriguez como padrino en un acta de nacimiento en 1811 y sólo quiero saber si ese es el nombre completo o es la abreviatura de algo. ¿Alguien sabe?

Gracias,
Monica

Aguascaliente death records

In searching in burial records for Aguascalientes 1703-1735 I came across some records that appear out of place and wanted the group to know in case anyone has been searching for them.

DONA FRANCISCA TERMINO AND JUAN RAMIREZ

I WOULD LIKE SOME HELP READING A MARRIAGE DOCUMENT OF 1617 THAT I FOUND IN BIRTHS 1616-1662 AGUASCALIENTES, AGUASCALIENTES, IMAGE 232. THE MARRIAGE IS OF MARIA VELASCO AND DIEGO LOPEZ.

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Hi there,

The following transcription is of the marriage of María de Velasco, daughter of Francisca de Temiño y de Juan Ramírez de la Campaña, with Diego López de Gardea.

"Doña Maria de Velasco En la estancia de Sn. Geronimo de Geronimo de Horosco
con Diego Lopez de Gardea en 29 de noviembre de 617 años desposse a doña
Maria de Velasco, hija de doña Franca. Temiño y de
Vellaronsse en 18 de Agosto Juan Ramirez de la Campaña vecinos del Real de Cierra
de 622 años, fueron Padrinos de Pinos, con Diego Lopez de Gardea vecino del pueblo de
Doña Maria de Horosco y Teocaltiche, hijo de Martin Perez de Gardea y de Ma.
Agüero y Juan Arias de Gonzales (con permiso de sus Parrochos) Premissas

Last names Guadalajara/Chia/Haro

Hi everyone i was wondering if anyone knew where the families with the last name Guadalajara and chia came from. I found that some of my ancestors at the beginning of the 1700's had these last names.

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Is this the family you have from Tlaltenango? Manuel De Haro Bocanegra b.
1717 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac., [C600896 (1745-1758) film
#0443804] casado con Alejandra De La Torrre Flores, 1721 (Contact
name:*esvimi33@hotmailcom
*)*
*
With the following children:
Jna. Phelipa Aro Flores (1739)
Barbara Getrudis Aro Flores (1739);
Theodora Benita Aro Flores (1741);
Joseph Manuel Flores De Haro (1743);
Maria Clara de Haro (1745);
Josepha Antta. Aro Flores (1749); *
Francisco Xavier Haro Flores, ch. 20 Oct 1751, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman,
Zac. [C600896 (1745-1758) film 0443804.];
*Maria Yssabel Aro Flores (1754);
Maria Antonia Aro Flores (1756);
Juana Maria Aro Flores (1758).

Esther Jordan Lopez

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:47 AM, wrote:

> Hi everyone i was wondering if anyone knew where the families with the last
> name Guadalajara and chia came from. I found that some of my ancestors at
> the beginning of the 1700's had these last names.
> Also around the same time my

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The Francisco Xavier Haro might be my ancestor. 5th gg grandfather pedro de haro married in 1847 in tlaltenango but it says that he is from guadalajara, maybe he was just born there, his father is Juan Jose and his grandfather was Francisco Jacied de Haro married to Cacilda figuroa, do you think he is the same?
A. Bugarin

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Hi Esther do you have any more information on Manuel de Haro Bocanegra or Alejandra Flores de la Torre? I remember seeing some memberos of the Flores clan use the name DR LA TORRE FLORES which always raised my eyebrows then in other records I noticed they would use Flores de la Torre. There was a Miguel De la Torre y Flores or Flores de la Torre who traveled to Zamora, Michoacan in the 1730s to get married and the record states he was from Suchipila but his parents were not mentioned.

Daniel

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Excepto los mios! jajaja que son del D.F., ya los ratree directito a España
a principios del S.XIX

Saludos!

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Daniel Mendez de Torres <
mendezdetorres@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I find most Haro are somehow related, those from Colima to Guadalajara to
> Tlatenenango and the surrounding areas.
> Daniel M

MARIA DE SAN JUAN ESPARZA

I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND THE MARRIAGE OF MARIA DE SAN JUAN ESPARZA TO A JOSEPH VELASCO IN AGUASCALIENTES. MARIA WAS BORN 8/8/1707 AND DIED 11/1/1778 IN MALPASO.

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I have looked at all the matrimonial investigations in the city of Aguascalientes through the end of 1726 (I'm making an index; the index for MI's prior to 1720 is posted here at NR), there is no matrimonial investigation for them in that period.

Based on typical age at marriage, they could have been married in the mid-1720s.

They could also have been married later, especially if it is a second marriage for the bride, or possibly elsewhere.

For some reason, not all marriages seem to have been recorded, nor are there matrimonial investigations for all marriages. There are matrimonial investigations for some couples who are known to have children, but no marriage has been found.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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I've finished going through the Aguascalientes Matrimonial Investigations for 1727/28, and unfortunately, Joseph Velasco and Maria de San Juan Esparza were not found.

I've not posted the file yet, I am planning to go through at least 1730 before doing so.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Los Fernández de Híjar y otras familias en Tecolotlán

Hola estimados compañeros de Nuestros Ranchos:

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Hola:

Muchas gracias a los dos por sus respuestas. Ciertamente como dices Ramírez, en la parte del libro que menciona las páginas en que son nombradas las personas, sólo aparece Juana Casillas de Híjar en esa sóla. En fin, necesitaré hacer una búsqueda por mi propia cuenta en el Archivo Histórico de Jalisco, ya que por las fechas en las actas parroquiales no creo encontrar información adicional.

Deedra, I'm Brambila a lot of times in my paternal grandfather's branch, and it's good to know you are a far cousin. But I wanted to know, how many information you have about the Arechigas'? Some of my ancestors, also carry with that family name, maybe you can help me in that branch or If I have had more sucess, give you some info.

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Deedra Corona
Hello Enrique,
I have some Brambilas from Tecolotlan, they later went to Santa Rosalia, Ayutla.
What I found is that it was spelled as Mambrilla, Vamvila, and Ambila. I also have some Velascos in Guachinango--but they are Mulato Libres: doubt any relation; but good luck!

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Hola Enrique, revisando el libro que mencionas en dicho capítulo no se nombra a los ancestros de Juana Casillas de Híjar ya que está ese nombre en dicho libro pero entre el capitulo que menciona a los Híjar cuya identidad el autor no ha podido precisar.
El parrafo donde viene el nombre de Juana Casillas de Híjar dice: En 1677 vivían en Tecolotlán las hermanas Petronila Casillas de Híjar viuda de Alonso del Castillo, y Juana, casada con Diego Muñoz Velasco; en 1701, al casar Cristóbal de Velasco, hijo de Juana, ésta ya había muerto, y la citan simplemente como Juana de Híjar.

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: enrique_agraz94@hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:17:18 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Fernández de Híjar y otras familias en Tecolotlán
>
> Hola estimados compañeros de Nuestros Ranchos:
>
> Hace un par de días, resolví uno de los obstáculos, que me impedian continuar la ascendencia de mi antepasada Rosa Feliciana Soltero Velasco, de cuyos padres