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Antonio

Hi Michael,

Where are you researching Huizar? I know that a lot of them are in the Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico area.

Michael Huizar,

I am not presently focusing on deep research of my wife's ancestry; but,the parents of her grandfather --- Jocé Amado Acosta (1874-?)--- were Teodoro Acosta and Maria Jesus HUIZAR (1884-after 1930).

Since this is a relatively rare surname, I hope this is helpful to you.

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

No todo los registros han sido subido, o sea que no esta completado por Zacatecas
es un proceso y tomara tiempo.

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: amandamarycela@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:00:23 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] actas de nacimiento en Zacatecas
>
> Pregunta.....en donde se registraban los bautizos de los niños que nacían en Sain Alto, Zac.....ya que ese municipio no viene en el family search del estado.

Jose Antonio Michel
Hi Arturo; I'm a new member, so you might alresdy be familiar with this book. Catalogo de pasajeros a Indias. I know it is available from the UC San Diego library, Spanish version. It list passengers coming from Spain to the new world in the 16th and 17th century. Their names, names of their parents and children, their land of origen, what port they embarked at, their area of destination in the new world. Their profession, their relatives in the Indies, etc... I hope this helps.

Agon123,

Google "the Spanish in the New World", and it will bring up several articles to answer some of your questions.

I also found this link helpful: www.aasd.k12.wi.us/Staff/reedmarlyce/ChapterOutlines/Ch02.pdf
(Europeans encounter the New World).

Columbus landed in the Bahamas and it was decades later that Cortez made inroads into Mexico. The Spaniards were in competition also with the Portuguese mostly and other Europeans who were mainly motivated by greed and the desire to exploit the natural resources of the New World.

Probably the most numerous class of Europeans to journey to the new world were middle class, merchants and craftsmen and soldiers: Iron workers, mining engineers, cartographers, clergy, navigators, those who knew how to work with firearms, horses, wheeled vehicles, ships, etc.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: agon123@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:43:41 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos]

Hola Arturo,

I have found a couple of interesting volumes that add insight into the immigration process that some of our Spanish ancestors went through to get into Nueva España.

You're right, they had to land SOMEWHERE via boat - and Nueva Galicia is in the middle of the mainland! Here a couple of texts that bring to light the lives of these courageous immigrants, and the circumstances in which they traveled here:

1) La Vida Cotidiana en la America Española en Tiempos de Felipe II, Siglo XVI - by Georges Baudot (I only found it in Spanish, has a great chapter that describes the boat trip and travel conditions).

2) Cartas Privadas de Emigrantes a Indias, 1540-1616 - by Enrique Otte (there is an English language version, "Letters and People of the Spanish Indies, Sixteenth Century," also by Otte, but it only has 38 letters, vs. the 650 private correspondence exposed in the Spanish language version).

The above two works don't necessarily concentrate on Zacatecas personalities, but

There are a number of books on the topic. One I read that was very helpful
was LAND AND SOCIETY IN COLONIAL MEXICO: The Great Hacienda BY FRANCOIS
CHEVALIER

Berkeley and Los Angeles

UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA PRESS

-Esperanza

> Hello Group,
> this is more of a history question, but it pertains directly to genealogy.
> I'm curious what books are available that talk about the process/journey
> that the Spanish immigrants took when they first arrived, then settled
> where they did? In others, where did they embark from Spain? Who were the
> people that immigrated (they weren't all Dukes and wealthy landowners!)?
> Where did they land in Mexico? Did they already have a destination in mind
> or did they have to make their own way? What was the role of the Spanish
> crown/government (such as for soldiers and landless folk?).
>
> If anyone can recommend some books that answers some of these questions,
> I'd appreciate it. Oh yeah, I guess I should mention that I can't really
> read Spanish

I will be there Natalie. Hopefully other Rancheros from the Washington metro area can join us!

Encontre dos hijas nacidas en San Luis Potosi en 1842 y 1844. Ya has de saber que Evarista nacio en 1819. Esto es lo unico que te puedo ofrecer como ayuda. Asumo que ya tienes los detalles que encontre. Si no, me avisas y te los mando.

David

-----Original Message-----
>From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
>Sent: Aug 16, 2010 7:47 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Evarista Castañeda Ruiz de Esparza
>
>Alguien me puede ayudar a encontrar la fecha de boda con Mariano Gordoa, y donde se casaron, Evarista fue hija de Juan Jose Nestor Castañeda y Crecencia Ruiz de Esparza y Romo de Vivar, fue bautizada en Jesus Maria Ags.

Encontre a Crescencia Esparsa casada con Nestor Castaneda el 27 de Oct 1818 en el Sagrario, Ags. Batch: M604859; Film: #299836. Tambien encontre los nombres de tres hermanos si es que no los tienes.

David en Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
>From: jcvillalo@prodigy.net.mx
>Sent: Aug 16, 2010 7:47 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Evarista Castañeda Ruiz de Esparza
>
>Alguien me puede ayudar a encontrar la fecha de boda con Mariano Gordoa, y donde se casaron, Evarista fue hija de Juan Jose Nestor Castañeda y Crecencia Ruiz de Esparza y Romo de Vivar, fue bautizada en Jesus Maria Ags.

According to family lore these Silvas are not related to the other Silvas of the HAcienda
whom came from Calvillo, Ags. These silvas Ive been told llegaron de otro pueblo,
by my grandfather he does not know. Nochistlan might explain a bit. In a matter of minutes
I was able to get Simon Saldivar's genealogy back to the 1700s. Family Search is incredible!
If this relation between Simon and Pedro is true then their father would be Rafael de Saldivar
and Francisca Olasaba married 7 may 1828 in Nochistlan. Simon's parents are Ambrosio Saldivar
and Maria de la Trinidad Perez. I can send a report if you want

Daniel Mendez de Camino

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: dirtyworklandscape@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 22:12:43 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Saldivar Ramirez
>
> Wondering if anyone can help me tie in these people with Juan Silva Ramirez 1901 - 1994, hijo de Pedro Silva and Angela Ramirez. We had a family reunion this weekend and these names

Yes, I am working on indexing and arbitrating, too.

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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
anita@torresbrenner.com
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 9:23 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] pilot.familysearch.com - status of ranchos
records?

Last year, there was a post about the LDS websitepilot.familysearch.com
which has limited online indexed records and images for and non-indexed
images for Baptisms, Census, Marriages and deaths - and now has image only
access to Catholic church records for Aguascalientes but not Jalisco or
Zacatecas.

What is the current status? Are they going to upload the Zacatecas Catholic
Church records? Is anyone on this list working on indexing?

Thanks!

Anita

Ms. Breener,

I am not exactly sure what you mean by "cheat sheets" but I have reviewed many of those Valparaiso records and am interested in that area. I await your material and will add if I have something that is similar and can complement it.

Ed

Rick,
When you refer to "the library", can you tell us which library contains the document of Lope Ruiz de Esparza that you briefly glanced? I am sure the descendants of Petronila de Moctezuma and her Gabai daughters would be very interested in adding that piece of information to our records.

Sincerely

Jaime Alvarado

This is exciting!! When it is released, how do we access it???

Hola...quiero decirles que yo tambien estoy de acuerdo que los libros de bautizo, matrimonio y defuncion de Zacatecas, son muy importantes, ya que de ese estado emigró muchisima gente que pobló Saltillo, Monterrey, Cerralvo, y que cuando queremos encontrar ancestros de ese estado, es bastante dificil, sobre todo si vives en alguna población que este muy lejos o que por cuestiones de trabajo, no puedes hacer un viaje exclusivamente a la ciudad de Zacatecas.

Espero que no tengamos que esperar a llegar a la letra Z, para poder tener esa informacion. Saludos Matu

Sign me up as wanting these two pilot programs ASAP!

Jose Carlos de Leon

I believe I had made the suggestion some time back about contacting someone through the pilot site...about when the records for Jalisco and Zacatecas would be made available. I had hoped there would be enough of us to voice our request, but needless to say there were few responses to my suggestion. I'm glad now we have a name of a person. I, for one have several states that I need to look at. I'm not interested in extractions as I need to see the real images.

An email would be most appreciated in order to contact the person to get the ball rolling.

Thanks
Rose

Hello Daniel...Could you be so kind and provide
us with the name, and address of this individual that is the number one man in the Latin American Division....or better yet, an e-mail address.
 
Perhaps if we each blast him with an e-mail, that would be over 300 e-mails from our group..that ought to get his attention.

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, mendezdelcamino@live.com wrote:

Hi all, on Sunday after Church we had a fireside and had the honor
to speak with the head of the Latin America division committee of
Family Search. For about 3 hours he gave a presentation on how
to start our genealogy for the all levels of expertise. He's the guy
in charge on the order of records are released online (at least
the Spanish speaking countries.) He stated because of constant
asking for Zacatecas it would be one of the next states to be released
we could be seeing with in later this year possibly for Zacatecas
church records online which would be good for all of us! He also
stated it matters what

I'm In!!!

We should contact Everybody,, and really, really push for it!!!!

why wait for Jalisco ?? I believe is the most researched state isn't it????

Sounds Illogical to me.

Saludos!!!

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From:
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:58 PM
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Soon to be released Zacatecas Pilot Records

> Hi all, on Sunday after Church we had a fireside and had the honor
> to speak with the head of the Latin America division committee of
> Family Search. For about 3 hours he gave a presentation on how
> to start our genealogy for the all levels of expertise. He's the guy
> in charge on the order of records are released online (at least
> the Spanish speaking countries.) He stated because of constant
> asking for Zacatecas it would be one of the next states to be released
> we could be seeing with in later this year possibly for Zacatecas
> church records online which would be good for all of us! He also
> stated it

Groom name Carlos Munguia
Bride name Thereza De Coria
Marriage date 15 Nov 1739
Marriage place San Francisco, Tamazula De Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
Batch number M39561-7
Record group Mexico-EASy
Film number 226026

Name Joseph Matheo Mungia Coria
Gender Male
Christening date 27 Sep 1740
Christening place SAN FRANCISCO,TAMAZULA DE GORDIANO,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father name Carlos Mungia
Mother name Theresa De Coria
Batch number C60375-1
Record group Mexico-ODM
Film number 225983

Name Joseph Pablo Munguia Coria
Gender Male
Christening date 30 Jun 1748
Christening place SAN FRANCISCO,TAMAZULA DE GORDIANO,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father name Carlos Munguia
Mother name Maria Theresa De Coria
Batch number C60375-1
Record group Mexico-ODM
Film number 225983

Name Carlos Yldephonso De La Trinidad Munguia Coria
Gender Male
Christening date 31 Jan 1751
Christening place SAN FRANCISCO,TAMAZULA DE GORDIANO,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father name Carlos Munguia
Mother name Antta. Theresa De Coria

Hi,

I am researching the following surnames: DeAnda, Velasco and Silva on my fathers side which are from Calvillo, Ags, Aguascalientes and Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. On my mothers side: Olivares , Muro and Romo

My grandfather Pedro DeAnda was b. 1884 in Calvillo, siblings Micaela b. 1868, Amanda B. 1870, Felicitas b. 1871, Lorenzo b. 1891(in Calvillo) Juana b. 1881, Aurelio b. 1883 (in Aguascalientes)

Pedro Deanda's Parents Felix DeAnda (aka Anda) and Emilia Velasco married Nov 21, 1867 in Calvillo, Ags.

Emilia Velasco my G. grandmother b. 1851, in Calvillo, her parents Arcadio Velasco( b. 1832 in Ags) and Nicolaza Velasco- Arcadio Velasco's parents Dionisio Velasco and Josefa Esqueda from Calvillo?

Paula Silva my grandmother b. 1880 siblings Gregoria b. 1878, Anastacio b. 1882, Anacleta b. 1883, Lucas b. 1884, Severo b. 1886, Evaristo b. 1889, Tomasa b. 1891 all from Calvillo. Evaristo immigrated to California in 1930? --Parents Yrineo Siva and Merced Martinez

¿Cuál es el sitio web específico para acceder al catálogo del AGN? He estado navegando el sitio, dándole vueltas y no logro localizar el catálogo de Instituciones coloniales. Ayúdame por favor.

Steven Francisco Hernández López

Si t digo que para el fin de esta ano se debe a lo menos terminar Zacatecas, no se sobre Jalisco,
tambien subiran, dispensas, notarias, testamentos todo cosa como del DF. Jalisco tomara mas tiempo
ya que hay mucho densidad en la poblacion y cientos de municipios y siglos de registros de 1500s a
nuestro dia.

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: alvaradj@comcast.net
> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:46:02 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Portions of Zacatecas and a taste of Jalisco posted at Pilot
>
> At last, some records of the most awaited Mexican States made were posted at LDS Pilot site. Unfortunately for Jalisco, records only include four localities, and for Zacatecas they are far for complete. Regardless, we should be so grateful to LDS for making these available.
>
> Finalmente, algunas imagenes de registros de los estados mexicanos de Jalisco y Zacatecas, han sido pubicados por LDS en su portal piloto. Desgraciadamente

Así es Jaime Alvarado , cuando vi que estaba Jalisco y Zacatecas no cabía de la emoción, pero pues lamentablemente cuando entré y vi que ninguno de los archivos que había en línea eran de mi interés me sentí frustrado. Espero y esto sea un indicativo de que se está trabajando en estos estados y pronto tengamos los archivos que nos interesan.

Es una gran labor la de los mormones y se agradece muchísimo.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

Just like everyone has already mentioned this just means that the bride and groom were related. One was a great-great-grandchild and the other was a great-grandchild of the tronco. Plus there is the "grado de afinidad". Here are the notes I have for exactly one of those...

My ancestor Ignacio Hernández and his second wife, María del Carmen Velásquez (who was not my ancestor...his third wife Francisca Guzmán was) were married on Monday, 16 Apr 1810, in the Parroquia Santa María de Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, México. They required a dispensation for a "parentesco de consanguinidad en cuarto con tercer grado de Afinidad"...

This dispensation was the missing link that helped me connect this branch of the Hernández Gamiño family to the main tronco. The dispensa is 40 pages long and is found in the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, Jalisco, México, Microfilm # 0168154, for the town of Arandas, written between 27 Nov 1809 and 28 Mar 1810. In it Ignacio Hernández states: "dixo llamarse

I believe "tercero con cuatro" means that the male was 3 generations from
the shared ancestor and the female was 4 generations, so the shared ancestor
was his ggpt and her 2ggpt. I don't know whether
Aguascalientes dispensations were still sent to Guadalajara by 1772. I can
look it up for you if you send the the names involved. -Raquel

Christoper,

No need to apologize for your first posting, we all make the same mistake in the
beginning when we don't include all the pertinent information.

Welcome to the group! you will find many very experienced family researchers and
some like me who muddle their way through the reasearch process as best we can.
Some who post only in english, some who post only in spanish and some who post
in both languages. We each do the best we can but the objective is to assist
each other whenever possible. If you don't receive an immediate response, don't
give up, keep posting until someone responds to your query.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

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From: Christopher Barrios de Leon
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, July 29, 2010 12:51:40 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] San Jose de Sauceda, Sn Jose de Llanetes, San Mateo,
Zac.

I must apolgize, that was my first post. I believe the family originated around
the hacienda of San Jose de Llanetes.