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Hola Paty:

Muchas gracias, toda mi línea de mi abuelo paterno es de ahí. Alguna vez me topé con ese índice, pero la verdad es que no lo utilicé mucho porque casi todos o todos los matrimonios vienen indexados, la cuestión es la ortografía, que a veces no encuentro la base de datos y ya cuando checo bien resulta que lo escribieron de otra manera.

Te agradezco de nuevo por el link, ya había olvidado que existía.

Saludos

Hola! Yo vivo cerca de Tlajomulco y antes de aventurarte a hacer el viaje te recomiendo sepas exactamente hacia donde dirigirte, pues el municipio de Tlajomulco es bastante grande y no se cual sea el area de tu interes. En cuanto el peligro del narcotrafico, no creo sea el mayor problema, pues en cualquier parte del mundo habita el peligro y aquí en Guadalajara es bastante tranquilo, pese a lo que se dice en los noticieros. Si gustas nos comunicamos por e-mail cualquier duda que tengas y con mucho gusto puedo ayudar a guiarte, recomendarte o aconsejarte y puedas sacar el mejor provecho a tu viaje, sobre todo por ser solo 5 dias.
Todo lo mejor!

Hello! I live near Tlajomulco and before venturing to make the trip I recommend you know exactly where to go, as the town of Tlajomulco is quite large and no matter the area of your interest. As the danger of drug trafficking, I do not think is the biggest problem, as anywhere in the world lives in danger and here in Guadalajara is fairly quiet

Hello,

I went to Guadalajara in 2009 and felt perfectly safe. My sister flew in
from Washington state and I flew in from California - I took a taxi to Hotel
Fenix near the Cathedral where my sister was waiting. I don't recall the
pricing, other than it was reasonable. From there we went to Colima met up
with family and had the time of our lives. Since you are on limited time
schedule, I would suggest taking taxis instead of buses, just make sure you
agree to a price upfront. As for safety, it is no different than other big
cities, travel during the day and don't flash too much money or valuables.
Mexico has had more than its share of violence recently, but as a general
rule Jalisco and Colima seem to be safer than the northern states,
especially for tourists.

I'm excited for you.

-Angelina-

-----Original Message-----
From: nbperez@att.net
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 2:46 PM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlajomulco? & Guadalajara

just my experience.  I went to Mexico in 2003 with a relative and her husband who spoke Spanish.. We landed in Guadalajara and took the taxi ($20) to the Hotel Mendoza since it had been recommended as safe to us, it was abt $105 a night for 3 people in 1 room.  It was close to the main Cathedral and is next door to a small church also close to markets.  The man at the desk told us to always get a quote on cab fare before getting in and to let them call the cab for us.  We traveled to Jerez, Zacatecas by bus abt 4 hours and cost abt $22. Very clean and comfortable.  We did all our traveling by bus with no problems.  When we got a cab and wanted to drive around we agreed on a price for his time. 2 hours cost us $10 in Ciudad Zacatecas.  We stayed close to our hotels at night and didn't carry lots of luggage, an overnight bag for 18 days actually and got photocopies of our documents and never kept money in our wallets.. we took out what we thought
we would need each day, never flashing

aqui esta, no se si esten completas todas la parroquias

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.famil…

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:15 PM, wrote:

> Los molesto con la liga de el estado de Aguascalientes.
>
>

Do you by any chance know the parents, paternal and maternal grandparents of Francisco Sanchez Flores? Thanks.....

----- Original Message -----
From: nbperez@att.net
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:40:14 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlajomulco, Guadalajara trip

Thank you so much to: Linda, Mickey, Angelina, Alicia, Raquel
 & Veronica for your advice and recommendations for hotels
in the Guadalajara area. I am especially grateful to
Veronica who lives near Tlajomulco and volunteered guidance
in my search.
Dr. Francisco Sanchez Flores, born in Tlajomulco in 1910, was
known as "Pancho Panelas" in the mariachi & folkloric dance world.
He was also a noted painter of indigenous art and I believe has artwork
in exhibition in the Regional Museum in Guadalajara. I would love to
visit a cultural center named after him in Tlajomulco, as well as a
school. Maybe Veronica could find their locations for me as it would
 be very exciting to

Efectivamente, varias instituciones en Tlajomulco llevan el nombre de Francisco sanchez, como escultor hizo obras en otras ciudades. Estare encantada de ayudarte en el reencuentro de tu ancestro. Aproximadamente en una semana aprovechare a vicitar el municipio y te contare que encontre referente a las instituciones que llevan su nombre.
Aqui hay un enlace de un lugareño que muestra Tlajomulco de una forma mas natural y puedes apreciar el monumento a Francisco sanchez Flores

Indeed, several institutions are named Tlajomulco Francisco Sanchez, as a sculptor he works in other cities. I'll be happy to help in reuniting your ancestor. About a week to take advantage vicit the town and tell you that I found regarding the institutions that bear his name.
Here is a link that shows a local Tlajomulco in a more natural and you can see the monument to Francisco Sanchez Flores:

http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/2800807/conozcan-mi-pueblo-tlajomulco…

Biography: http://www.museocjv.com

I too am grateful for Veronica,

It's people helping other people in need that makes this group so wonderful.

Nancy, good luck in your travels to Mexico. Tell us all about it upon your return.

Suerte!
Alicia

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From: "nbperez@att.net"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:40 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlajomulco, Guadalajara trip

Thank you so much to: Linda, Mickey, Angelina, Alicia, Raquel
& Veronica for your advice and recommendations for hotels
in the Guadalajara area. I am especially grateful to
Veronica who lives near Tlajomulco and volunteered guidance
in my search.
Dr. Francisco Sanchez Flores, born in Tlajomulco in 1910, was
known as "Pancho Panelas" in the mariachi & folkloric dance world.
He was also a noted painter of indigenous art and I believe has artwork
in exhibition in the Regional Museum in Guadalajara. I would love to
visit a cultural center named after him in Tlajomulco, as well as a

Alice

If the site was down earlier today, it is now back up (this posting is at 8:49 PM). I tried a couple of different states/towns/collections, and all was OK.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Hola Daniel:

Se me hace un poco más fácil escribirte en español, sabiendo que también lo hablas. Nunca en todo mi tiempo de genealogista he podido descifrar los padres de la persona que ha dicho que fue hijo de padres no conocidos ni cuando dicen ser hijos naturales, que sólo mencionan a la mamá. Tengo una buena amiga, tía lejana, que sorprendentemente con mucho esfuerzo pudo con estas similares circunstancias que te digo en uno de sus antepasados de línea directa de su segundo apellido, lograr sacar el nombre del padre y abuelos cuando el registro sólo decía el de la madre.

En una ocasión, ví una dispensa donde al principio el contrayente decía ser hijo de padres no conocidos, pero cuando uno de los testigos denuncia el parentesco entre los novios, vuelve a declarar el novio y menciona a sus padres aunque sí era hijo natural, además que conocía muy bien por donde le venía el parentesco con la pretensa. Con esto sabemos que la gente sí sabía de quienes eran hijos y por

Thank you, Daniel, so I think I made the right decision. I needed to be
sure. :-)
Esther

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino <
mendezdetorres@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> It sounds like he was the one who registered her as his daughter and gave
> him her last name. This often ocurrs when two people live together, though
> not marry still recognizes his natural child. Most times when this would
> not occur, it would list the mother and padre desconocido. I recently
> learned that another reason for marriages when mentioned was "de padres no
> conocidos" was because the person refused to identify their parents so they
> would not have to go through the dispensation process, etc especially when
> consanguinity was obvious.
>
> Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino
>

Hi Emilie,
Molinillos still exist and are available at Mexican mercados.  You reminded me that it's time to head downtown to Mi Tierra's restaurante y panaderia and sip some of that great hot chocolate they make and enjoy it with a fresh chamuco or polvoron.   It gets cold here, too!
Alice

--- On Sat, 1/14/12, Emilie Garcia wrote:

From: Emilie Garcia
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Hot Chocolate
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 8:40 PM

I subscribe to a newsletter from Replacements.com, and recently they had an article about antique chocolate pots, and it included the history of chocolate.  I was intrigued by a recipe they included:

     "the original cocoa beverage comes from the Mayans and Aztecs, and was often a mixture of ground cocoa beans, water, wine, and peppers.  It did not take long for the Spaniards to begin heating this blend and sweetening it with sugar to suit their tastes".

     "the first published recipe for a chocolate

Wow, que bien! Gracias Veronica. Ya postea la version editada (en dos partes, por numeros de films) en guadalajaradispensas.com

Wow, that's great! Thanks Veronica. I've posted my edited version (in two parts per film #s) at guadalajaradipsensas.com

Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com
www.sagradamitra.com

Amalia,

A "manda," within the practices of catholics, is a promise made (or included in a will) to God, to the Virgin, or to a Saint, either because of devotion or to obtain a determinate Grace.

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

-----Original Message-----
>From: hernandezmol@msn.com
>Sent: Jan 12, 2012 4:02 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Manda's, after passing
>
>Does anyone know what a manda is? I know its after they pass away but what exactly is it written up in the church for?? here is a link to my document for your viewing. It is the first record, Alonzo garcia hijo de Villalpando.
>
>http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/1traviesa/alonzovillal.jpg
>
>thank you
>
>Amalia Hernandez Arias

It's a debt or a promise made to the church and to God.

________________________________
From: "hernandezmol@msn.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:02 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Manda's, after passing

Does anyone know what a manda is? I know its after they pass away but what exactly is it written up in the church for?? here is a link to my document for your viewing.  It is the first record, Alonzo garcia hijo de Villalpando.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/1traviesa/alonzovillal.jpg

thank you
Amalia Hernandez Arias

Alice:

Of course Lino is used also as a proper name. My sixth great grandfather was named José Lino de Agraz y Contreras.

Enrique

Que tal Ricardo yo tengo en mi arbol genealogico a JUAN CASILLAS y MARIA VALDIVIA.
saludos ERNESTO DE LEON