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I don't know for sure, but the geneal idea was that the men were
favored. Strange how that works. you'd think that my grandmother would
have been the oposite and favored her daughters, but no she pretty much
worshipped her 6 sons and treated her two daughters as a step below. .
.which doesn't mean she didn't love them but she loved them in that
hard kind of Mexican strict kind of different measuring stick kind of
different rules for them kind of way. My aunts definitely got more
demonacos than their brothers got. . .though having said that my uncles
got really good ones too. I remember I did a whole 45 minute tape of
recording oral history from my aunt before she died that had only
stories of the reasons why differnt ones were given cuerazos.



in fact just talking about this brings back vivid memories of "el
cinto" y "la mangera."     )     or maybe     (    is more appropriate



joseph



Irma GomezLucero wrote:

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face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Have you discovered why this was
done?  I recall my mother being shocked that her Concuna (she & my
aunt are married to brothers) bathed her only daughter in cold water,
so that she would learn the "hard" life of a woman.  I'm glad that my
mother didn't agree with this treatment or child abuse.  I wonder if
this is the reason your ancestors did this?  By the way, my tia is
descended from the Martin del Campos.

face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Irma

this was sent to me by Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg. I introduce it to the
group to see if anyone had things they heard of through oral history
that might have been practiced in our target area of study. Let's open
it even further to say have you heard any good stories of some of our
customs?



In the story I send to the group awhile back called "Muchacha" about my
Great Grandmother Antonia Santa Maria and my grandmother Virginia Diaz
I can't help but remember that when my grandmother was born the story
went that my GG Grandmother Andrea Torres ordered that two tinas of
water be prepared when my grandmother was born. One was to have nice
toasty warm water in case the child was a boy and the other was to be
cold water in case it was a girl. Grandma Virginia got the Cold water.



what stories or customs have you heard from your relatives coming out
of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and or Aguascalientes???



bring on the oral history.



thanks Maria,



joseph



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have you contacted the University of Guadalajara at Colotlan History
Department with your question? That is what I would do. by the way if
you get a contact I have questions along other lines as well, but you
first. 8^)



here is their website:



http://www.cunorte.udg.mx/



make sure to look at: "Publicaciones" for a lot of books and some
available online



thanks,



joseph



ps:



for a campus in the Los Altos region: http://www.cualtos.udg.mx/

El Centro Universitario de la Ciénega: http://148.202.148.12/

Ciudad Guzman Campus: http://www.cusur.udg.mx/portal/

SouthWestern part of Jalisco: http://www.cucsur.udg.mx/

Puerto Vallarta but also for Ameca: http://vallarta.cuc.udg.mx/



[reason i said also for Ameca is that this URL has the same name for
both Ameca and Puerto Vallarta:
http://www.cunorte.udg.mx/NuestroCampus/RedUniversitaria/reduniv.html]

evievillegas wrote:

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Joseph Puentes

To: href="mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com">ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 2:18
AM

Subject: [ranchos] No Gedcom's Please -
Re: ONE LAST TRY

please everyone don't post a .gedcom here to the message
archives or to the files area. go in and cut out the specific genealogy lines
you think best represent your Jalisco, Zacatecas and/or Aguascalientes area
and send me a corresponding genealogy report or if you know how to do it put
it in the files area yourself. Also MAKE SURE YOU DON'T INCLUDE LIVING
INDIVIDUALS IN YOUR GENEALOGY FOR PRIVACY AND SECURITY REASONS. (did you all
hear me?).

joseph (griton)


lestergalion wrote:

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Sylvia Robles <sylrobles@s...> wrote:
  

From most recent to extent of my records search: Rodriguez(my 
    

maiden name) Velasco, Hernandez and Moran. I will post my Gedom next 
week. I need to fix some entries my husband did.
  

 
Y los appellidos de usted?


Sylvia Rodriguez Robles MPA
909-783-2571
    

anybody here from Villa Guerrero, Jalisco? [to the north of Totatiche,
looks like SE of Colotlan]:

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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Steven
can you fill us in on why some of those films cover overlapping years. .
.

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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I'm late
for work now otherwise I'd copy and print some examples but I've noticed some
are something like:

1830-1899 [xxxxxxx]
1799-1856
[xxxxxxx]
1845-1900 [xxxxxxx]

thus i f you are looking for a
dispensation you would need to order all three films.

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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>has that
been your experience that you just need to bite the bullet and order all 3 or
is there a way to distinguish which films to order.

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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I guess
I'm wondering why were there these overlapps???

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gracias Steven,

Steven can you fill us in on why some of those films cover overlapping
years. . .I'm late for work now otherwise I'd copy and print some
examples but I've noticed some are something like:



1830-1899 [xxxxxxx]

1799-1856 [xxxxxxx]

1845-1900 [xxxxxxx]



thus i f you are looking for a dispensation you would need to order all
three films. has that been your experience that you just need to bite
the bullet and order all 3 or is there a way to distinguish which films
to order. I guess I'm wondering why were there these overlapps???



gracias Steven,



joseph



Pacorro73@... wrote:

In a message dated 2/22/2005 5:06:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
drortiz@... writes:

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size="2">

In reading the microfilms of marriage records for Nochistlán,
Zacatecas, I was disappointed to find that there are no parents
identified for the bride and groom for the first third of the 18th
century (till about 1733) nor for much of the year 1752.

 

        Since they had to prove their relationship was distant
enough, I'm assuming that information was recorded elsewhere.  Can
someone suggest where I should look.

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Well yes a couple. We live in a wonderous time when sources for
genealogy research are plentiful. It used to be that the only way
people could do their research was by traveling to the area or
requesting info from the area via the Postal System. With the great
information we have from the LDS system our opportunities are
tremendously increased for having success in finding info in a way that
is convenient to our lifestyles. All that being said I'd like to say a
couple of things with regards to what is available via the LDS system
and outside the LDS system:



1) they have a fabulous collection of books available only at their
central location, but some are on fiche/microfilm. They do take
requests to microfilm books but this can more often than not be
unsuccessful since they need to get the authors permission before doing
so.



2) As we know they have a tremendous amount of films that have been
transcribed with the information put into the various databases: IGI,
etc.



3) they have even a greater amount of films available that have not
been transcribed so if you don't find the info on the thier webpage it
doesn't mean that its not on a films available for that area [don't
forget that even if your exact area doesn't have films available maybe
the next closest town is where your relatives took their children to be
baptized and married].



4) there is probably a very large amount of material from the
particular churches that did give permission to microfilm that didn't
get microfilmed. I might be wrong but I think I read somewhere that
primary documents [baptisms, marriages, deaths, matrimonial info,
census, confirmation both in church records and vital records] were the
emphasis of the LDS's microfilming efforts. Maybe some others can
comment on this as I might be wrong. But it seems that there was a lot
of information generated by a large congregation in 200 years and to
have all of that info microfilmed might have generated many many more
films than we see are available for each location. I said all that to
say that even if we don't find a film for that information it might not