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Iron Curtain

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I've run into an Iron Curtain with my 4th GGF Diego Martin Flores. He was born probably abt 1730 and died 27 Jul 1808 in Colotlan. He married my 4th GGM Gertrudis Leano.

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Published by katy_brecht_quesada – Fri, 2013-01-18 20:38 | Permalink

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i'm not sure what to do either but the reason why felipa has been referred with the 'de mier' surname is because her biological father is cristobal de mier(the husband of her aunt margarita enriquez). i found a doucmented account of their affair
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18419-4894-37?cc=1874591&wc=…

edit:maybe you could start searching through marriage dispensations to see if you can find more clues.

Help reading a document

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Hi,

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Published by katy_brecht_quesada – Sat, 2013-07-13 09:08 | Permalink

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which entry are you talking about, there's like 4 entries on that page.

Jose Maria Robalcaba Aguascalientes

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Looking for some assistance in locating the next generation of this family line:
Descendants of Jose Maria Robalcaba

Generation No. 1

1. Jose Maria Robalcaba

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Published by Dominguezm – Fri, 2013-07-12 08:27 | Permalink

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Last baptism for Juliana was at El Sagrario Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes in 1782.

Early Colotlan Baptism records?

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Where should I look for Colotlan Birth/Baptism records prior to 1700?
I'm looking for Francisco Valensuela born abt 1690.

Thank you in advance,
Roy

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Published by katy_brecht_quesada – Thu, 2013-07-11 17:44 | Permalink

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nope family search doesn't have any records from colotlan prior to 1718 sorry. you could try search tlaltenango records, but can't guarentee you'll find francisco valezuela there or not.

Published by katy_brecht_quesada – Thu, 2013-07-11 17:44 | Permalink

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nope family search doesn't have any records from colotlan prior to 1718 sorry. you could try search tlaltenango records, but can't guarentee you'll find francisco valezuela there or not.

Published by Rose_Hardy – Thu, 2013-07-11 16:38 | Permalink

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Roy

I have been researching my Gonzales' in the early 1700 and late 1600's in Tlaltenango records. Sorry to say, but I noticed the LDS church only has the second book on film for Colotlan baptisms. Try Tlaltenango. I have been seeing people from Colotlan getting married and having children baptized there. I have not really looked at Jerez....but that might another avenue as well. I just recently started looking at Colotlan's earliest records. My one Gonzales/Munoz line came from the area of Coculiten and Huejucar....they settled in Aguascalientes and they've been a real pain to find.

Rose

Pedro Arizmendi Gogorran of San Luis Potosi

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I am looking for a copy of Sasha Della Schmidt Honig's paper on Pedro Gogorran called "Pedro de Arizmendi Gogorrón: Frontier Magnate of Northern New Spain." a Unpublished Manuscript

Thanks
Rose

be aware of some names in the IGIs

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I've found a few errors in the names of some IGIs.

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Published by romero89 – Tue, 2013-07-09 15:44 | Permalink

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Jose Carlos, can you give us an example. De la Torre is one of my family names, not a location.

Linda

Researching: Romero, Romero y Chavez, Alderete, de la Torre, Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza, Gutierrez, Padilla, Pena, Camarena

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Maria De La Torre is a ranch in Colotlan, Jalisco.

here's one IGI of many examples:

name: Ma. De La Torre Valenzuela Rl. gender: Female baptism/christening date: 11 May 1776 baptism/christening place: SAN LUIS, COLOTLAN, JALISCO, MEXICO father's name: Marcos Valenzuela mother's name: Rita Del Rl. indexing project (batch) number: C60286-4 system origin: Mexico-ODM source film number: 443674

The actual name on the baptism record is: Maria Antonia Valenzuela

Jose Carlos de Leon

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Primo,
Marcos Nicolas Valenzuela is my 4th Great Grandfather.
My 4th GGmother was his second wife Maria Estafana Ortiz - Married 07Jan 1802.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18456-6571-41?cc=1874591&wc=…

I just returned from a two week European trip...will share some photos in few more days.

Saludos,
Roy

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: josecarlos1944@hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 04:37:32 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] beware of some IGIs names
>
> Maria De La Torre is a ranch in Colotlan, Jalisco.
>
>
> here's one IGI of many examples:
>
> name: Ma. De La Torre Valenzuela Rl. gender: Female baptism/christening date: 11 May 1776 baptism/christening place: SAN LUIS, COLOTLAN, JALISCO, MEXICO father's name: Marcos Valenzuela mother's name: Rita Del Rl. indexing project (batch) number: C60286-4 system origin: Mexico-ODM source film number: 443674
>
> The actual name on the baptism record is: Maria Antonia Valenzuela
>
>
>

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Awesome! It is great when an event like this one occurs. It makes the hours
spent on research so rewarding.

-----Original Message-----
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Rodriguez
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:58 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] beware of some IGIs names

Primo,
Marcos Nicolas Valenzuela is my 4th Great Grandfather.
My 4th GGmother was his second wife Maria Estafana Ortiz - Married 07Jan
1802.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18456-6571-41?cc=1874591&wc=…
861

I just returned from a two week European trip...will share some photos in
few more days.

Saludos,
Roy

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: josecarlos1944@hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 04:37:32 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] beware of some IGIs names
>
> Maria De La Torre is a ranch in Colotlan, Jalisco.
>
>
> here's one IGI of many

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VILLEGAS

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Agustin Villegas was born in Huejucar, Jalisco OR Jerez, Zac abt 1742. He married Rosalia Anriquez. Their first two children were born in Jerez, Zacatecas but the rest were born in Huejucar, Jalisco.

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Published by rosa9972 – Thu, 2013-05-23 21:59 | Permalink

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Hi Christina,

I, like both you and Katy, descend from Augustin Villegas and (Francisca)Rosalia Enrriquez (spelled many different ways, including Anrriques). I do not have the names of his parents, and I believed he married Rosalia in Jerez, during a time period that is not covered in the online records. There are gaps in the Jerez records that would help quite a few of my genealogical questions, but for whatever reason, they are missing.

I do have a note about Agustin: I have seen his last name mentioned as Villegas Moreno. I don't know if Moreno is his mother's last name, or if two two names are really one last name.

As Katy mentioned, Rosalia's parents were Antonio Enrriques and Gertrudis Quesada. There are many people in Huejucar who are descended from the Quesada family, along with the Banuelos family (my great-grandma was a Banuelos who descends from Agustin and Rosalia. My family tree contains many of the family members.

I consider Agustin a dead end for now, until I have

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Published by longsjourney – Thu, 2013-05-23 15:00 | Permalink

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my files are on Rootsweb.com. file name is Mexico and I do have one more child for Agustin and wife, Maria de San Pablo married to Jph Manuel is Llanos y Valdez. I have 5 children and spouse for them in my files.. hope this helps you.  I do not have the grandparents.
 marriage 18 Jan 1789 in Tepetongo, Zac
Don Jph Manuel Valdes Espanol from Troja
with Dona Maria de San Pablo Villegas Espanola from la Boca, Colotlan
godparents: Don Phelipe del Muro and Dona Maria Rosalia Reveles
source: death and marriage records Tepetongo
page 183 Family search online program
.baptism 10 May 1807 in Jerez, Zac
Juan Jose Espanol born in Santa Gertrudis 6 days old
parents: Don Jose Manuel Valdes and Dona Maria San Pablo Villegas
pat grn: Don Luis Valdes and Dona Francisca del Muro
mat grn: Don Don Agustin Villegas and Dona Rosalia Enriques
pad: Don Eucevio de la Torre and Dona Petra Montes
source: 0439849 film
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________________________________
From: "notarychris@hotmail.com"
To: research

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Published by chris1203 – Thu, 2013-05-23 16:27 | Permalink

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Thank You for the information.

I was actually trying to email but was receiving a failure message.I was noticing we have other people common from other last names. I was wondering if you can send me your direct email or if you can send me an email to notarychris@hotmail.com
I would really appreciate it,
Thank You

Christina Villegas

Published by katy_brecht_quesada – Thu, 2013-05-23 19:39 | Permalink

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i am also a descendant of augstin villegas. i don't know who his parents names aro, but i do know that his wife parents are antonio enriquez and gertrudis quezada.

i descend from him through his son joseph manuel (born in november 1773). joseph manuel villegas marries anita sanchez de nava. one of their sons is cristobal villegas(4th great grandpa). cristoval married refugio de arceo. they had many children incuding my triple great grandma bartola villegas. i'll stop there for now. if you to know more just send me an email.

does anyone understand what's going on in this doucment

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18534-2349-19?cc=1874591&wc=…

is this document about some opposing marriage or is it something else?

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Mon, 2013-07-08 16:22 | Permalink

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You are welcome, although I think before Independence, when the castas system was on place, any close family member (grandparents, uncles and aunts, etc.) could oppose a marriage if they thought the bride or the groom was not good enough for their family, especially regarding race or social status. You didn't have to be a very influential person in order to stop a marriage.

Victoriano Navarro

Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Sun, 2013-07-07 23:02 | Permalink

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Yes, it is about the grandmother (Maria Teresa patron) opposing the marriage of his grandson (Juan Antonio Rubio) with Teresa Zepeda.

First she opposed saying that he was not old enough, so he had to wait until he turned 23. Then she opposed again claiming inequality between him (Spanish blood) and the bride (mulata, formerly a slave and descendant of slave mulatos).

It seems they were not allowed to get married.

Victoriano Navarro

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thanks for answering my question, and man the groom's grandma must of had some power if she able to convice the church the not allow them to marry.

Antonio López de la Cerda y Josepha de Hermosillo

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Hello,

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Published by mendezdetorres – Thu, 2011-01-13 18:45 | Permalink

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Hola Armando,

He estudiado estas líneas, me da lástima decirte que aun desconozco la ascendencia de Antonio López de la Cerda y Josefa de Hermosillo aunque si tengo los sospechos. Seguramente es de la misma familia de Aguascalientes y Teocaltiche había varios Antonio López de la Cerda, es imposible idetificar éste necesitaríamos un acta matrimonial u otro tipo de documento que lo puede comprobar si testó buscaré su testamento aver que encuentro.

Si te puedo ayudar con el lado Delgado, Juan Antonio Delgado casó María Manuela López de la Cerda el 15 de febrero de 1730 en Ciénega de Mata hijos de Manuel Delgado y Margarita Macías Valadez casados el 17 de abril de 1706 en Aguascalientes. Manuel Delgado fue bautizado el 14 de enero de 1685 hijo de Luis Delgado y Teresa López de Elizalde; Margarita el 13 de octubre de 1686 también en Aguascalientes hija Pedro Macías Valadez y Luisa Ruiz de Esparza.

Luis Delgado fue hijo de Joseph Delgado y Francisca de Gabay casó Teresa López de

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Hola Daniel,

Muchas gracias por la aportaciones. Resulta que ya tenia Manuel Delgado como
Manuel Delgado de Gabay en mi base de datos pero sin tu ayuda no hubiera
podido darme cuenta que eran la misma persona. Tienes un error pequeño.
Manuel Delgado y Margarita Macías Valadez se casaron el 18 de abril de 1706
en Aguascalientes. Sale es dato mero abajo de la primera página de la
siguiente imagen
https://www.familysearch.org/s/image/show#uri=http%3A//pilot.familysear…

Saludos,
Armando

2011/1/13 Daniel Méndez de Torres

>
> Hola Armando,
>
> He estudiado estas líneas, me da lástima decirte que aun desconozco la
> ascendencia de Antonio López de la Cerda y Josefa de Hermosillo aunque si
> tengo los sospechos. Seguramente es de la misma familia de Aguascalientes y
> Teocaltiche había varios Antonio López de la Cerda, es imposible idetificar
> éste necesitaríamos un acta matrimonial u otro

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Si parece que tuve la fecha incorrecta gracias. No se como surgio ese dato solo tuve
el mes y dia incorrecto. Debemos probar la linea de Antonio Lopez de la Cerda,
muchas veces ayuda empezar al tronco del arbol o sea hacia los descendientes.
Como dije anteriormente habia unos cuatro del mismo nombre aun no se si era el
mismo hombre casados varias veces una posibilidad.

Daniel Méndez de Torres

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Raul Macias Hello, can you help me out here, I'm kinda stuck at a dead end. I am descendant of Andres Masias. Have you come across any information relating Andres Masias and Margarita Masias. I have found Margarita Masias y Manuel Delgado are Padrinos to my ancestor Maria Gertrudis, who was baptized in Cienega de Mata Ojuelos, Jalisco, on 27mar1731. Maria Gertrudis is the daughter of Andres Masias and Maria de los Dolores Pacheco. I seek to trace back Andres Masias as far as possible. Thank you or any one else who may wish to add something.

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I hope this helps or leads you in the right direction. The Padrinos should be the same Manuel Delgado and Margarita Macias who married in Aguascalientes on Apr 18, 1706. Since there is a generation gap, they could be aunts and uncles of your ancestor. Without a doubt we're dealing with the Macias Valades, family. I do not have anything on any Andres Macias Valades, the only one I have is the one married to Dolores Hurtado in 1726 in Aguascalientes.

Daniel

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Raul Macias. Daniel thank you. I have been in the mire and have been tracing the same genology that you have proposed. I also have an Antonio casimiro masias as padrino to another son of Andres masias. Casimiro is from aguascalientes. I wonder if pedros macias valades' first wife is the spinner here. Again thank you.

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I have come to realize that Maria Gertrudis Masias de los Dolores does not have Pacheco as her mothers last name. I don't want anyone to get that wrong, pardon me. I continue to seek information on Andres Masias and Maria de los Dolores Pachecho who were baptizing their children at La Punta en La capilla de Cienega de Mata, at the earliest date of 10 jul 1735.

Published by Armando – Wed, 2011-12-21 05:45 | Permalink

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Raúl,

If you search for children of Andres Macias and Dolores you will see that
Dolores uses the surname Hurtado for Leonarda Crecencia http://goo.gl/6ChYR

I searched for a marriage of Andres Macias and Dolores before those dates
and I found their marriage in Aguas http://goo.gl/SVpPF

Since that marriage entry does not name the parents I searched the
Matrimonial Investigations file made by Robert Fulton and I found the
following:

Volume 1725/26: image 215
23 Dec 1725
Groom: Mazias Valadez, Andres (Espanol; ).......Bride: Hurtado, Maria de
los Dolores (Espanola; )
Father:......................................................................Father:
Pacheco, Xptoval
Mother:
....................................................................Mother:
Lisaldi, Maria
Former spouse: ......................................................Former
spouse:
Notes: married 7 Jan 1726

The IM entry actually states Andrés was the son of Juan Macias and Beatriz
López de Elizalde
https://familysearch

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Published by gpf13 – Wed, 2011-12-21 20:50 | Permalink

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Armando

Thanks for catching the omission of the parents of Andres Macias Valades in the matrimonial investigation index. I'll update the posting of this file in the near future.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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George,

You're welcome and I apologize for mistating your first name in that post.
As far as these files of the IM they have been extremely helpful to me. One
improvement I can think of is if the names were provided in their current
standardized form or at least to have everyone listed with the same
spelling for the same name. For instance Macias, Masias, Massias, and
Mazias can all be listed as Macias, or if you prefer Masias. Villalobos,
Villalovos, and Billalobos should be Villalobos since it contains the words
villa (village) and lobos (wolves). This would make searching the documents
much easier and less time consuming.

Regards
Armando

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:50 PM, wrote:

> Armando
>
> Thanks for catching the omission of the parents of Andres Macias Valades
> in the matrimonial investigation index. I'll update the posting of this
> file in the near future.
>
> George Fulton
> Pleasanton, CA

Published by maciasraul – Sat, 2011-12-24 13:13 | Permalink

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Wow! Thank you. All the info before Juan Masias and Beatriz Lopez Matrimonial fit. The exception I Question is that here Juan is listed as Mestizo, I wonder if such a prominate Name as Masias Valadez would have stood for such slight. All other info state Masias as Espanole and originale. Any Suggestions? Merry Christmas!

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Originales or originarios means they were born in the location describes in
the entry, which isn't always accurate either. It has nothing to do with
their calidad or caste. Andrés really should have been mentioned as a
castizo since his father was mestizo and his mother española. A few members
of the prominent families married with members of Indian and mestizo
families and in rare cases, mulatas. Some members couldn't marry with
igualdad and sometimes to marry with igualdad they had to marry relatives
which can be seen in many of the dispensas. Some members of the Macias
Valadez family were poor as stated in the death of one of them from that
era. Also we don't know if Juan was from a legitimate marriage or a hijo
expuesto or de padres no conocidos. Something else to consider is there
were times when the calidad would be mistated or made without regard to who
the parents were. This is why I recommend getting a Y-DNA test. Hopefully
you will find a match with someone that has their

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Raul Macias Greetings Armando, I have ordered thefamilytreedna kit. Where does one go to compare test results to look for a match?, Saludos!

Published by alicebb – Wed, 2012-09-12 09:15 | Permalink

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Greetings to all,
My family has finally agreed to have our DNA analyzed.  I would appreciate and need input as to which and whose DNA testing is the initial one to go with.   Thank you so much for all your help.   Alice  

--- On Wed, 9/12/12, maciasraul@ymail.com wrote:

From: maciasraul@ymail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Y-DNA
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 3:54 PM

Raul Macias Greetings Armando, I have ordered thefamilytreedna kit. Where does one go to compare test results to look for a match?, Saludos!

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Greetings to all,
My family has finally agreed to have our DNA analyzed.  I would appreciate and need input as to which and whose DNA testing is the initial one to go with.   Thank you so much for all your help.   Alice  

--- On Wed, 9/12/12, maciasraul@ymail.com wrote:

From: maciasraul@ymail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Y-DNA
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2012, 3:54 PM

Raul Macias Greetings Armando, I have ordered thefamilytreedna kit. Where does one go to compare test results to look for a match?, Saludos!

Published by Armando – Thu, 2012-09-13 15:00 | Permalink

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Hello Raúl. Once you receive your results you will be given a list of
matches and you will also be given a ysearch.org link to upload your
results and your gedcom to. Have you received your results? How many
markers did you test for?

Saludos,
Armando

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:54 AM, wrote:

> Raul Macias Greetings Armando, I have ordered thefamilytreedna kit. Where
> does one go to compare test results to look for a match?, Saludos!
>

Published by maciasraul – Mon, 2012-11-12 14:54 | Permalink

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Hello Armondo,I trust you're well. I took the 12 mark test, whose results are:ydna- R1B1a2; shorthand- R-M269.
I also found in informacion Matromonial 1725-1726 image 215 and 216, aguascalientes, sagrario, marriage date 06jan1726. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JHPY-JJB,for Andres macias valadez con maria dolores urtado. I noticed that Andres was baptized and listed as masias lopes by the church records and later he writes his name as masias valadez in the informacion matrimomial. Have you an opinion on this. Gracias.

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Hello Raúl,

I am well, thank you. You should upgrade your 12 marker test to a 37 marker
test then upload the results to ysearch.org. The upgrade is on sale right
now for $69. You should also get a deep clade test and let us know the
results.

The difference in surnames is not significant. The person recording and the
people giving the names weren't always precise and sometimes would decide
to change the use of the surnames.

Saludos
Armando

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:54 PM, wrote:

> Hello Armondo,I trust you're well. I took the 12 mark test, whose results
> are:ydna- R1B1a2; shorthand- R-M269. I also found in informacion
> Matromonial 1725-1726 image 215 and 216, aguascalientes, sagrario, marriage
> date 06jan1726. https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.1.1/JHPY-JJB,forAndres macias valadez con maria dolores urtado. I noticed that Andres was
> baptized and listed as masias lopes by the church records and later he
> writes his name as masias valadez in the informacion matrimomial. Have

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Published by Raul_Luna – Mon, 2012-11-12 22:45 | Permalink

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Armando..I do have 37marker test done a couple of years ago..it can be found in the FTMDNA..Raul

--- On Mon, 11/12/12, Armando wrote:

From: Armando
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Y-DNA
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, November 12, 2012, 8:04 PM

Hello Raúl,

I am well, thank you. You should upgrade your 12 marker test to a 37 marker
test then upload the results to ysearch.org. The upgrade is on sale right
now for $69. You should also get a deep clade test and let us know the
results.

The difference in surnames is not significant. The person recording and the
people giving the names weren't always precise and sometimes would decide
to change the use of the surnames.

Saludos
Armando

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:54 PM, wrote:

> Hello Armondo,I trust you're well. I took the 12 mark test, whose results
> are:ydna- R1B1a2; shorthand- R-M269. I also found in informacion
> Matromonial 1725-1726 image 215 and 216, aguascalientes, sagrario, marriage
> date 06jan1726. https

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Published by maciasraul – Sat, 2013-07-06 14:13 | Permalink

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Armando, again many thanks for said info. It turns out that my dna matches an unknown Guerra. Have you anything further? Raul Macias

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I have an idea which Guerra family you are referring to but I would need
you to email me directly to discuss that further.

I strongly advise that you also join the Los Altos de Jalisco DNA project
by going to the following page and using option A.

http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join-request.aspx?group=losaltosdeja…

On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 4:13 PM, wrote:

> Armando, again many thanks for said info. It turns out that my dna matches
> an unknown Guerra. Have you anything further? Raul Macias

$99 DNA test

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Joseph I was trying to post to the announce list but this computer is not
cooperating.

I ordered the Comprehensive Genome test and joined the project that was
mentioned on the list.

Would I be

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Published by Armando – Fri, 2013-07-05 19:30 | Permalink

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Hello Gilbert, in order to know if you, Joseph, and Gloria having autosomal
markers in common they would also have to get a Family Finder test. Even if
they get the test there is no guarantee they are going to show as matches
even if they truly are related to you. Not all markers are passed down from
all of your ancestors. If they do show as matches then they are possibly
related to you. Having other people with some of the ancestors showing up
as matches on the same segment of a specific chromosome will help raise the
likelihood being related through the line that is in common in all of you/

See the following article for an example.

http://dna-explained.com/2013/06/21/triangulation-for-autosomal-dna/

Having your parents test could help prove which side of the family your
matches are related to you. If you, one parent and a third person all have
markers in common in a certain segment of a certain chromosome then it is
that side of the family that you are likely related to the third

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NACIMIENTOS y MATRIMONIOS EN FRESNILLO

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Published by matusalem – Fri, 2013-07-05 15:51 | Permalink

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SUCEDE IGUAL EN SAIN ALTO, EL LIBRO DE BAUTIZOS DE 1880 NO ESTA....Y CON ESO SE BLOQUEA EL CONTINUAR CON NUESTRA GENEALOGIA...QUE LASTIMA..

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Carolyn Gomez Duran
I also am in need of information on where to search for Fresnillo Baptism records in the 1800's. The earliest record I have found is 1862. I have names for the next two generations back, taken from baptismal records after 1862 but nothing comes up when I enter that information. Kinda frustrated!!
Carolyn

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maybe you can check for marriage dispensations on the guadlajara dispensas blog for dispensations from fresnillo, or you can possibly search for records in a nearby city such as jerez.

Introduction

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Hello group, thank you for the opportunity to further my research.

I am Manny Dominguez and my family research interest is in Aguascalientes, Jalisco and Zacatecas.

Indexing/Inderxacion

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Hello,

Currently the NR group has a special interest group that is involved in
indexing.

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Published by Esther_Jordan_Lopez – Thu, 2013-07-04 09:45 | Permalink

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Joseph,
I just tried to Index for Zacatecas but there does not seem to be there any
longer. Did it just complete overnight or did it go some place else? If
you know let me know so that I can do some indexing. Thanks, Esther

2013/7/4 Joseph Puentes

>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Currently the NR group has a special interest group that is involved in
> indexing. We are trying to finish up a project that involves the indexing
> of
> records from Fresnillo and Villanueva, Zacatecas. Originally I thought the
> project was near finished but it seems that a lot of batches need to be
> redone so there is still a significant amount of work to do. After this
> project is finished I’ve been told that we’ll have a Jalisco project made
> available. If you are interested in joining the NR Indexing group please
> email me directly at joseph@nuestrosranchos.org so I can send you some
> instructions on how to get started.
>
>
>
> Actualmente el grupo NR tiene un grupo de interés especial que está
>

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No it is not complete yet. It should still be there as I was looking at in
earlier this afternoon. Have another look later or try again tomorrow.
Thanks for your help with this project.

Joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:general-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Esther Jordan
> Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 12:34 PM
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Indexing/Inderxacion
>
> Joseph,
> I just tried to Index for Zacatecas but there does not seem to be there
any longer. Did it
> just complete overnight or did it go some place else? If you know let me
know so that I
> can do some indexing. Thanks, Esther
>
> 2013/7/4 Joseph Puentes
>
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> > Currently the NR group has a special interest group that is involved
> > in indexing. We are trying to finish up a

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PETRA PINZON

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BUSCO ANCESTROS DE PETRA PINZON QUE CASO CON BRUNO HERNADEZ APROXIMADAMENTE EN 1830, EN SAIN ALTO ZAC.

Family Finder test now $99

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FamilyTreeDNA.com has lowered the price for the Family Finder test to $99.
Since there are so many of us that have at least one ancestor in common
this can be an additional tool in our research by h

Comments

Published by maven200 – Sun, 2013-06-30 20:01 | Permalink

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Maven200

Hello,

I just signed up for the Los Altos de Jalisco DNA project on Family Tree DNA and ordered the kit for Family Finder + mtDNAPlus. I am really excited to find out the results. Finally, I hope to have some answers or at least clues.....

Thanks Armando for all the info and for taking the time to answer all our questions. Its something I've thought about for a long time. The wealth of info you provided has been invaluable.

I look forward to sharing my results in the near future.

Pauline

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You're more than welcome.

Thank you for requesting the test and being willing to share.

Armando

On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 10:01 PM, wrote:

> Maven200
>
> Hello,
>
> I just signed up for the Los Altos de Jalisco DNA project on Family Tree
> DNA and ordered the kit for Family Finder + mtDNAPlus. I am really excited
> to find out the results. Finally, I hope to have some answers or at least
> clues.....
>
> Thanks Armando for all the info and for taking the time to answer all our
> questions. Its something I've thought about for a long time. The wealth of
> info you provided has been invaluable.
>
> I look forward to sharing my results in the near future.
> Pauline

Published by alicebb – Fri, 2013-06-28 19:00 | Permalink

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Hello Armando,
 
Do you or anyone else have any idea how many or what percentage of Nuestros Ranchos members have had any of their
DNA tested?   It might help me decide whether or not to proceed with the autosomal test, as ones chances of finding a match is limited to their data base.   
Thanks so much,  Alice 

________________________________
From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 7:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99

FamilyTreeDNA.com has lowered the price for the Family Finder test to $99.
Since there are so many of us that have at least one ancestor in common
this can be an additional tool in our research by helping each other out
with DNA matches and triangulation.

Here is a good site with an explanation of triangulation.

http://dna-explained.com/2013/06/21/triangulation-for-autosomal-dna/

You will also get to see what percentage of European, Amerindian, Asian,
Middle Eastern and  African ancestry you have

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Hello Alice,

The number and percentage of people that have tested seems to be small. The
number of people that share their family tree and respond to inquiries is
even smaller. My hope and expectation is that someday the number will be
high enough that we can have some concrete evidence that certain chromosome
segments are extremely likely to belong to a specific line. That will never
happen if everyone waits for someone else to test. You also don't know who
you have as matches until you test.

Another thing, many people are concentrating on just their male line and
that is only a small percentage of their ancestry. What about all of the
other lines? Family Finder is what can help us with those.

Saludos,
Armando

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hello Armando,
>
> Do you or anyone else have any idea how many or what percentage of
> Nuestros Ranchos members have had any of their
> DNA tested? It might help me decide whether or not to proceed with the
>

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Hola Armando , I am really slow to comprehend, I read some and if I understand it the test goes back only 5 generations. If that is correct it doesn't seem worth it or am I missing something.

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:55:28 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org; alicebb@att.net
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> Hello Alice,
>
> The number and percentage of people that have tested seems to be small. The
> number of people that share their family tree and respond to inquiries is
> even smaller. My hope and expectation is that someday the number will be
> high enough that we can have some concrete evidence that certain chromosome
> segments are extremely likely to belong to a specific line. That will never
> happen if everyone waits for someone else to test. You also don't know who
> you have as matches until you test.
>
> Another thing, many people are concentrating on just their male line and
> that is only a small

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Hola Ronnie,

That is what the website states but when you take the test there is a list
of matches that show as 2nd Cousin - 4th Cousin, 3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin,
5th Cousin - Remote Cousin which means they can it even goes further back
than 5th cousin using their own wording on the matches. Even if it is a 5th
cousin that is 6 generations and not 5 which is a 4th cousin. Also, I have
found people that match both my DNA and my uncle's DNA and we have
ancestors in common that go back more than 5 generations. I also had my
mother tested and there are people that match my DNA and her DNA but they
don't have a common ancestor with us in the last 5 generations either. More
people that match us need to test in order to be able to triangulate to the
line that matches us in all of the cases. You will also need that and since
you and I likely have ancestors in common we might have inherited a segment
of DNA from a common ancestor. The only way you are going to see what is
available is by

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Hola Armando, is this test for both maternal and Paternal sides ?

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:23:53 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> Hola Ronnie,
>
> That is what the website states but when you take the test there is a list
> of matches that show as 2nd Cousin - 4th Cousin, 3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin,
> 5th Cousin - Remote Cousin which means they can it even goes further back
> than 5th cousin using their own wording on the matches. Even if it is a 5th
> cousin that is 6 generations and not 5 which is a 4th cousin. Also, I have
> found people that match both my DNA and my uncle's DNA and we have
> ancestors in common that go back more than 5 generations. I also had my
> mother tested and there are people that match my DNA and her DNA but they
> don't have a common ancestor with us in the last 5 generations either. More
> people that match us need to test in order to be able to

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Hola Ronnie. The test is for the autosomal DNA that you have inherited from
all of your ancestors.

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:

> Hola Armando, is this test for both maternal and Paternal sides ?
>
>
>

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When I had FamilyTreeDNA test myself and my husband, they did not provide percentages, but they did provide a list of people they had tested that "matched" us. All the people on my list live in NM, which I expect since I am Haplogroup C, Native American, Pre-Columbian, and my mother's Piro/Manso/Tewa ancestors have been in NM for hundreds of years. So I always knew of my Native heritage, down to the specific tribe. On my husband's list there was a man who lives in Texas that "matched" him, T1 Mesopotamian. The lists give us the contact e-mail addresses, but the man in Texas has never responded. I did get a response from an NR member who had the T Haplogroup, but couldn't find a common ancestor.

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:23:53 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> Hola Ronnie,
>
> That is what the website states but when you take the test there is a

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I had my MTDNA done and it came back Haplogroup A.. Native American
I had my Fathers Castanon DNA done and it came back Haplogroup R1b1
I had my mothers paternal line done through her brother Gutierrez it came back Haplogroup N.
I would like to have the test done that show's percentages.
Linda in B.C.

________________________________
From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org; Alice Blake
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99

Hello Alice,

The number and percentage of people that have tested seems to be small. The
number of people that share their family tree and respond to inquiries is
even smaller. My hope and expectation is that someday the number will be
high enough that we can have some concrete evidence that certain chromosome
segments are extremely likely to belong to a specific line. That will never
happen if everyone waits for someone else to test. You also don't know who
you have as matches until you

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Comment

Yes, the Family Finder test will provide percentages. Once you get the
results for that you will want to upload the raw data to Gedmatch.com or
email Doug McDonald at dmcdona@illinois.edu for a proper and free analysis
of your admixture. Their results are closer to what the Genographic 2.0
results would provide. The wording on the Population Finder in Family
Finder can be very misleading.

You might also find DNA matches and since your ancestors are well
documented you will have a higher likelihood of finding a documented common
ancestor. This could help other people as well.

I take it you haven't had SNP testing on your Y-DNA. Additionally I can't
find the Castanon or Castañon surname in ysearch.org. Did you upload your
results to ysearch.org? It would be great if you would join the Los Altos
de Jalisco DNA project with the Y-DNA and mtDNA testing you have done. Even
though the name of the project is for Los Altos they are also looking for
people from Zacatecas and Aguascalientes to

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I have never been tested for dna period,I would like to have it done but man it very confusing for me to make a choice of which one to get. As far as I know I don't have any castanon surname or connection . The bulk of mine are rooted in Los Altos , in Aguascalientes stemming from the late 16oos and early 1700s ,the same for Zacatecas. I trip cause I wonder if I would confuse the DNA testing because I have so much inbreeding its not funny or normal. Well if do have it done I guess I wiil try the 99 dollar special

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:58:41 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org; longsjourney@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> Yes, the Family Finder test will provide percentages. Once you get the
> results for that you will want to upload the raw data to Gedmatch.com or
> email Doug McDonald at dmcdona@illinois.edu for a proper and free analysis
> of your admixture. Their results are closer to what the

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The email you responded to was for Linda Castañon which is why I mentioned
the Castañon surname.

Since you have not done any DNA tests I recommend that you get a Family
Finder + Y-DNA37 under the combined tests at
http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco

It doesn't matter that our ancestors practiced endogamy. Not all of the DNA
was passed down to us. Some of it got lost through the generations. Using
triangulation with other people that match our DNA is what allows us to
narrow down common autosomal DNA segments to a specific line.

The relation to other people along the Y-DNA line is determined by STR and
SNP markers. You have to get the regular 37 marker test first which is for
the STR markers then a determination can be made which SNP tests are
recommended.

You should also upload a gedcom file once you have an account with
Familytreedna

Saludos,
Armando

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:

> I have never been tested for dna

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my results are on the Gary Felix DNA site. It's the only one I registered with since he is doing Mexico DNA. My Castanon is from Zacatecas, my Gutierrez from Michoacán then went to Jalisco mid 1700's and my Maternal from Michoacán to Jalisco also also.
Linda in B.C.

________________________________
From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99

The email you responded to was for Linda Castañon which is why I mentioned
the Castañon surname.

Since you have not done any DNA tests I recommend that you get a Family
Finder + Y-DNA37 under the combined tests at
http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=losaltosdejalisco

It doesn't matter that our ancestors practiced endogamy. Not all of the DNA
was passed down to us. Some of it got lost through the generations. Using
triangulation with other people that match our DNA is what allows us to
narrow down common autosomal DNA

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You should never feel bad abt bloodlines that connect over and over to the same families in Mexico.  In the earlier days it was very important to many families to keep the blood line pure.. meaning pure Spanish. If I remember correctly in los Altos the 10 or 12 founding families made a pact to only marry Spaniards to keep the blood pure and the land in the family.
 
In my family in Jerez, Zac we go to the Caldera family at least 3 times and if I can connect the families it will be more like 5 times!  I also have family from San Felipe Guanajuato in the late 1600's who went to Jerez, Zac. Antonio Lopez de Nava and Dominga Chavez and also Antonio Losano and wife Maria Gonzales Hidalgo.
Linda in B.C.

> I have never been tested for dna period,I would like to have it done but
> man it very confusing for me to make a choice of which one to get. As far
> as I know I don't have any castanon surname or connection . The bulk of
> mine are rooted in Los Altos  , in Aguascalientes stemming from

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Hello Linda,

If you click on the Join Request at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/losaltosdejalisco you can become part
of the Los Altos de Jalisco DNA project at no cost.

You should also have an option at FamilyTreeDNA to upload your Y-DNA to
ysearch.org

I see you only did a 12 marker test. In order to narrow down your
haplogroup to a specific subclade you would need to get the 37 marker Y-DNA
test and then an SNP test or two.

Armando

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:

> my results are on the Gary Felix DNA site. It's the only one I registered
> with since he is doing Mexico DNA. My Castanon is from Zacatecas, my
> Gutierrez from Michoacán then went to Jalisco mid 1700's and my Maternal
> from Michoacán to Jalisco also also.
> Linda in B.C.
>

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Wow, Armando. God Bless you for being an active contributor to NR. You are a great source for our education. Endogamy---I had never heard that word before, yet I think many Jalisco ancestors (my husband's) practiced it since I find that in researching his family tree.

So Ronnie, don't think your ancestors were not "normal", since endogamy seems to have been a common practice at a certain time in Jalisco, or Los Altos as it is called. So do get the $99 special, and let us know the findings. I am looking for more people with my husband's T1 Mesopotamian ancestry.

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:34:34 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> The email you responded to was for Linda Castañon which is why I mentioned
> the Castañon surname.
>
> Since you have not done any DNA tests I recommend that you get a Family
> Finder + Y-DNA37 under the combined tests at

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Another thing keeping folks from testing their DNA, or testing it beyond the basic 12-points, is that some of us just don't have the aptitude to wrap our heads around the terminology.

What is "raw data", and how would one upload it to Gedmatch or to Mr. McDonald?

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:58:41 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org; longsjourney@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> Yes, the Family Finder test will provide percentages. Once you get the
> results for that you will want to upload the raw data to Gedmatch.com or
> email Doug McDonald at dmcdona@illinois.edu for a proper and free analysis
> of your admixture. Their results are closer to what the Genographic 2.0
> results would provide. The wording on the Population Finder in Family
> Finder can be very misleading.
>
> You might also find DNA matches and since your ancestors are well
> documented you will have a

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When you log into the FamilyTreeDNA page there is a dark blue menu bar at
the top. If you hover over Family Finder a drop-down menu appears and
Download Raw Data is the fifth option. Once you click it you will be taken
to the following page
https://my.familytreedna.com/download-files.aspx?Type=FFO that gives you an
option to download Autosomal Raw Data - GZIP, CSV. That file can be sent to
Doug McDonald at the email address I had posted previously.

Gedmatch.com is not accepting uploads until August which is when results
would be back for people that are just now ordering the test. Gedmatch has
5 calculators made by Dienekes Pontikos. The Globe13 is the newest one that
Dienekes has made but it is not available on Gedmatch.com

The Globe13 calculator tells you what percentage of the following markers
you have - North_European Mediterranean West_Asian Southwest_Asian Siberian
Amerindian West_African Palaeo_African East_Asian Australasian Arctic
South_Asian and East_African. This is a

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Thanks Armando, I will give it a try.

Emilie

> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:02:37 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> When you log into the FamilyTreeDNA page there is a dark blue menu bar at
> the top. If you hover over Family Finder a drop-down menu appears and
> Download Raw Data is the fifth option. Once you click it you will be taken
> to the following page
> https://my.familytreedna.com/download-files.aspx?Type=FFO that gives you an
> option to download Autosomal Raw Data - GZIP, CSV. That file can be sent to
> Doug McDonald at the email address I had posted previously.
>
> Gedmatch.com is not accepting uploads until August which is when results
> would be back for people that are just now ordering the test. Gedmatch has
> 5 calculators made by Dienekes Pontikos. The Globe13 is the newest one that
> Dienekes has made but it is not available on Gedmatch.com
>
> The Globe13

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Armando,

Is the email you posted for Doug McDonald correct? I tried sending him an
email and it was not delivered.

Thanks,
Juan

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Armando wrote:

> Yes, the Family Finder test will provide percentages. Once you get the
> results for that you will want to upload the raw data to Gedmatch.com or
> email Doug McDonald at dmcdona@illinois.edu for a proper and free analysis
> of your admixture. Their results are closer to what the Genographic 2.0
> results would provide. The wording on the Population Finder in Family
> Finder can be very misleading.
>
> You might also find DNA matches and since your ancestors are well
> documented you will have a higher likelihood of finding a documented common
> ancestor. This could help other people as well.
>
> I take it you haven't had SNP testing on your Y-DNA. Additionally I can't
> find the Castanon or Castañon surname in ysearch.org. Did you upload your
> results to ysearch.org? It would be great if you would join

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Hello Juan,

He responded to me in November 2012 at that address and that is why I had
posted that one. Now that I look at the email I had sent it shows that the
email address I sent the email to to be mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu so try that
one. Give it a week or two for a response.

If you want me to put your file through one of Dienekes Pontikos'
calculators I can do that for you. The following site is where I got the
calculator from.

http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2012/10/globe13-calculator.html

Saludos,
Armando

On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Juan Aguayo wrote:

> Armando,
>
> Is the email you posted for Doug McDonald correct? I tried sending him an
> email and it was not delivered.
>
> Thanks,
> Juan
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Armando wrote:
>
> > Yes, the Family Finder test will provide percentages. Once you get the
> > results for that you will want to upload the raw data to Gedmatch.com or
> > email Doug McDonald at dmcdona@illinois.edu for a proper and free
>

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The small number of folks at NR or other sites that take part in DNA testing might be due to economical reasons. As someone on a fixed income, I found even $99 hard to squeeze out of the budget, but I finally did it for both my husband and myself. He is T1 Mesopotamian, ancestors from Jalisco. I am C, Native American, pre-columbian, mother born in New Mexico. I have no way to find out my father's DNA (born in Zacatecas) since he had no brothers and no cousins living and I had no brothers. Due to failing health I can no longer keep up with things. Others might be in the same boat.

I once tried joining the free DNA testing offered by the LDS church, but they turned me down because I could not provide a complete family tree due to brick walls.

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:55:28 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org; alicebb@att.net
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder test now $99
>
> Hello Alice,
>
> The

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Thank you for letting us know about the more affordable DNA testing. I'm finally going to make the jump and have myself, my brother and a cousin tested.
Sherri Mora

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