Many many thanks to Lynn Turner for passing on this great link for
another site that is hosting the "Diccionario geográfico, histórico y
biográfico de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos / por Anton
Yes, Thank you Lynn for this great website....totally awesome!!!
Rose
Hi, I have had a researching problem with the baptism of José Eduardo Tapia of San Martín Hidalgo, Jalisco, Mexico.
In simply looking at the images of the pages, ignoring the text for the moment, the book is in pretty bad shape, clearly it is in pieces.
Since the Family Search index gives you a specific page in the register, someone obviously saw the record in the microfilm, since that is all they had to work with.
This suggests that the pages may be out of sequence in the microfilm.
Your only option is to go through the book essentially page by page. What I did is go to the location where you saw the gap, and started paging through in jumps of 5 images at a time. Since the gap was about 30 pages, and assuming they are all together, I expected to come eventually to the out of sequence pages. This is exactly what happened. From then on, it is a matter of going to the right page number.
For books in poor shape, you must always be consider that the pages may get mixed up. You may need to go through the whole film to find an out of sequence event or page.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Hi de Castro,
The Number in the index page (227) refers to the original number handwritten at the top of the film page (almost always). No to the number of the image of the film. That's why some times it is difficult to find the film you are looking for. The baptism of Jose Eduardo Tapia is the last act of the image in page 325. Here you have the direct link: https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
Jorge Elias
Miami, FL
Check on image number 325 of the second link you sent. I found it searching by date on the book. Sometimes they may have 2 or more books in one roll, each with its own numbering. Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro
Thank you very much, I only looked for it on the first roll but I would have never guessed there would have been two in one roll. Thanks.
Thank you both Victoriano Navarro and Jorge Elias.
A. de Castro
Emilie,
Thanks for the information about your family. My aunt said my grandfather, who
lived in Herreras, Durango, had smallpox as a toddler.
Bubas, which meant boils, was also used to describe syphilis.
Alicia -
Yes, my husband had two direct ancestors who had syphillis. They came from Jalisco. The father was born in 1865, but moved to El Paso, Tx in 1895. His death certificate from 1930 states his cause of death as syphillitic aortitis. One of his sons was known in the family to have gone blind due to syphillis, but he lived into his late 90s. Since the son was only about five when he was brought to the US, he may have acquired the disease in the brothels of Juarez. Soldiers stationed near New Orleans and Juarez in the early part of the 20th century were forbidden to go into those cities because of STDs.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:44:33 -0700
> From: alice_wissing@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] New World Diseases - Bubas
>
> Bubas, which meant boils, was also used to describe syphilis. According to the
> book "Born to Die - Disease and New World Conquest" by Noble David Cook,
> syphilis was
Hola y saludos a todos,
Les quisiera comentar con lo que me encontré el otro día al visitar la
notaría parroquial de Tepatitlán.
Hola Sergio, cómo estás?
La información es la siguiente, la obtuve del buscador de familysearch.org,
pero el acta digitalizada de los segundos datos no se encuentra. Es de unos
MARTIN de MIRANDILLA. Jacinta Gomez fue hija de Vicente Gomez y de Viviana
Hernandez. Los primeros datos corresponden a un registro de hijo natural,
así que quizás la segunda información sea el reconocimiento del bebé nacido
como hijo de Miguel Martin. En Jalos habrá un libro parecido? Sergio, cuando
vienes a Los Altos, o acaso aquí estás? Te adelanto que tenemos una reunión
de genealogistas el siguiente mes aquí en Valle, viene el Padre Chayo a
platicar sobre la historia de Los Altos, creo que lo has de conocer.
Enseguida hago pública la reunión.
Name: Julio Gomez
Baptism/Christening Date: 16 Apr 1871
Baptism/Christening Place: TEPATITLAN DE MORELOS,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name:
Mother's Name: Jacinta Gomez
Source Film Number: 218467
Name: Julio
Hola Ricardo,
Usted apunto la fecha y el nombre de la persona que sale en esa acta de bautismo. Me gusteria verla en linea.
Gracias,
Sergio Gutierrez
Buen día.
El microfilme no existe. No los microfilmaron, son exclusivos y el acceso a
ellos es sumamente restringido.
Todas las parroquias tienen un archivo secreto y para tener acceso a el
debes de ser el párroco o tener permiso por escrito del obispo. Esto se debe
a la clase de información que contiene.
Saludos.
Israel Valles
Durango, MX
El 4 de julio de 2011 21:33, Rick Rodriguez escribió:
> Hola y saludos a todos,
>
>
>
> Les quisiera comentar con lo que me encontré el otro día al visitar la
> notaría parroquial de Tepatitlán. Resulta que en el margen izquierdo un
> acta
> de bautismo de la misma parroquia aparece la nota: “referirse al archivo
> secreto…”, el cual no aparece en la lista de archivos de Tepatitlán en
> Family Search. Cuando fui a preguntar a la notaría acerca de este archivo,
> me dijeron que en efecto sí existe, pero que por órdenes de arriba, no
> pueden proporcionar la información que contiene el mismo.
>
>
>
> Alguien de ustedes había escuchado de esto en
Estimado Sr. Valles,
Agradezco su atención y respuesta a mi mensaje. En ese caso, solo nos queda
esperar que algún día den a conocer al público interesado la información
contenida en estos archivos. Volviendo al caso de Tepatitlán, creo que el
número de microfilm es el 218508, pero no aparece en la lista de Family
Search, voy a tener que echarme una vuelta a los archivos de la
Arquidiócesis de Guadalajara esperando encontrar información.
Saludos,
R. Rodríguez
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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Diego
Israel Valles Lopez
Enviado el: martes, 05 de julio de 2011 10:16 AM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Archivo Secreto de Tepatitlan
Buen día.
El microfilme no existe. No los microfilmaron, son exclusivos y el acceso a
ellos es sumamente restringido.
Todas las parroquias tienen un archivo secreto y para tener acceso a el
debes de ser el párroco o
Buen día, compañeros.
Tal vez les interese aprender un poco mas sobre el
Derecho Canónico Católico, les envío una liga al Codigo de Derecho Canónico
vigente.
Les invito a que revisen el
Hi, Eduardo, I apologize for not checking sources. I tend to get lazy sometimes.
Will you help me with a question about Portezuelo, Jalisco? I can only find civil registry through FHC.
Esther, I greet you and send you a big hug. I think I can give you some tips about Portezuelo. First, i want to tell you that I visited several times Portezuelo several years ago because I had a friend who was born next town (town´s name is El Tarengo in ancient time and actually it is named Villa Garcia de Marquez). On that time when I visited his family there with him we were doing genealogical research for his family and I visited several places arround. What I can tell you about Portezuelo is that indeed they have principaly civil records, most of it´s church records are in La Barca precisely. The usage of the people in that region in anceint times was the following: the familyis went either to La Barca or to Atotonilco el Alto. In those 2 places you will find the christening registers for most of the families from Portezuelo. There are several town arround named: Milpillas, Margaritas, Sta. Rita, El Tarengo and others that I do not recall now.
Hope this info helps you
Thank you, Eduardo, and no I am not offended in any way. I am rather grateful to get help
from you if at all possible.
Here's my situation: I got a birth record from Portezuelo for my
great, grandmother, Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez. Her parents were Rosendo Vaca and Anastacia Velasquez; her paternal grand parents were: Vicente Vaca and Dolores Ortiz; her maternal grand parents were Refugio Velasquez and Maria Linares; her padrinos: Blas Luna and Vitola Vaca. The baptism record
from Pbro. Rafael Santana Ortiz, parroco de Ntra. Sra. de Gpe. y Sto. Toribio Romo en
Portezuelo, Jalisco.
Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez was born 14 March 1881. I cannot seem to find anything for her parents, such as birth, or marriage records. I guesstimate 1860's? I do know that her father Rosendo Vaca was killed before his daughter was born, and that Anastacia remarried a Jose Cerda. This last part is history given to me by my mother.
I know you are a very busy person but I'm hoping
Hi Esther, its Daniel Mendez! Well I found this (below) not
sure if you have it. We are dealing with Portozuelo,
this might be a bit of a task considering in Los Altos
there was much changes in borders, new cities being created
ownership of land changing. Well Portuzulo is near other
major towns in Los Altos; all whom were customed to travel
to those places and back.
I call: Tepatitlan, La Barca and Ayo el Chico (Ayotlan) and Ocotlan.
It will be common to see people from all this places travel back and
forth; even San Miguel el Alto a bit further north. Have you checked
this other places? I did find Vicente's and Dolores' Marriage.
IGI Individual Record
Mexico
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VICENTE VACA
Pedigree
Male
Family
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse:
DOLORES ORTIS
Family
Marriage:
23 MAR 1843
La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:
Thank you, Daniel.
You are right about people traveling in my area. My ancestors are from La Barca, Portezuelo, Jamay, Ocotlan, Guadalajara and I think surrounding areas. I guess I should start by ordering the marriage record of Vicente Vaca and Dolores Ortiz.
Thanks again.
-Esther
Hi Esther, its Daniel Mendez! Well I found this (below) not
sure if you have it. We are dealing with Portozuelo,
this might be a bit of a task considering in Los Altos
there was much changes in borders, new cities being created
ownership of land changing. Well Portuzulo is near other
major towns in Los Altos; all whom were customed to travel
to those places and back.
I call: Tepatitlan, La Barca and Ayo el Chico (Ayotlan) and Ocotlan.
It will be common to see people from all this places travel back and
forth; even San Miguel el Alto a bit further north. Have you checked
this other places? I did find Vicente's and Dolores' Marriage.
IGI Individual Record
Mexico
Search
Yup, the marriage should lead you into the late 1700s! Which is good
possible more matches in IGI as one gets older in their tree; especially
in Los Altos where most families if not all have been researched
-Daniel
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Esther,
Daniel has helped you out with some really good information. You might also want to check records in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco which is about the same distance away from Portezuelo as La Barca. However, I would look in La Barca first before anywhere else; especially for the Vaca side of the family.
Good luck!
Eduardo H Seoane
Yes, I forgot Atotonilco, that was the other town in the vicinity. Most of the places I mention,
Esther, used to be part of Tepatitlan, but knowing the spaniards, borders changed, land
was sold, new places were created. Like La Barca used to be part of Tepa, if I am not
mistaken.
-Daniel Mendez
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Eduardo,
Thank you! Yes, I believe I recently found a record for one of my Vaca relatives in La Barca. I will also look in Atotonilco el Alto and surrounding areas.
Thank you, and Daniel, and Alessandro! I have new ideas!
-Esther Jordan Lopez
Esther,
Daniel has helped you out with some really good information. You might also
want to check records in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco which is about the same
distance away from Portezuelo as La Barca. However, I would look in La Barca
first before anywhere else; especially for the Vaca side of the family.
Good luck!
Eduardo H Seoane
Daniel,
Thank you for the tips on history and geography. This is improving my research.
I have more places to look into. -Esther Jordan Lopez :-)
Yes, I forgot Atotonilco, that was the other town in the vicinity. Most of the
places I mention,
Esther, used to be part of Tepatitlan, but knowing the spaniards, borders
changed, land
was sold, new places were created. Like La Barca used to be part of Tepa, if I
am not
mistaken.
-Daniel Mendez
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Alessandro,
Hello, and thank you! This is great. You have given me new ideas to continue my research. I will begin to look into those areas you suggested.
May your life be full of joy! -Esther
Esther, I greet you and send you a big hug. I think I can give you some tips
about Portezuelo. First, i want to tell you that I visited several times
Portezuelo several years ago because I had a friend who was born next town
(town´s name is El Tarengo in ancient time and actually it is named Villa
Garcia de Marquez). On that time when I visited his family there with him we
were doing genealogical research for his family and I visited several places
arround. What I can tell you about Portezuelo is that indeed they have
principaly civil records, most of it´s church records are in La Barca
precisely. The usage of the people in that region in anceint times was the
following: the familyis went either to La Barca or to Atotonilco el Alto. In
those 2 places you will find the
Esther,
Miguel Vaca and Luz Cazarez are 3rd Great Grandparents, they lived in Ario De Rayon, Michocan before moving to Coalcoman, Michoacan in the 1870's. Ario de Rayon is close to La Barca could we be related ?
Rafael Meraz
I don't know if we connect yet. I do have a Francisco Vaca (aka Cabesa de
Baca) b. about 1758 married to Lugarda Cuevas (aka De la Cueva) b. abt 1761,
married 12 February 1781, San Francisco de Asis, Ixtlan, Michoacan.
Some of their children were:
Jose Rafhael Cavesa Cueva, b. 11 Jan. 1796, San Francisco, Tamazula de
Gordiano, Jalisco (C603753 1783-1804, film #0225985.)
*Vicente Vaca, b. 1797 (my direct line). *I have info for them but I need
to confirm some dates.
Jose (Josse) Miguel Salome Cabeza Cuevas, ch. 7 July 1789, San Agustin,
Jacona de Placarte, Michoacan
I was hoping to work on this line but just haven't had time to do so. Maybe
this would be a good time and start working on it. :-)
I'll keep your names and see if I find anything.
Esther Lopez Jordan
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:44 PM, wrote:
> Esther,
>
> Miguel Vaca and Luz Cazarez are 3rd Great Grandparents, they lived in Ario
> De Rayon, Michocan before moving to Coalcoman, Michoacan in the 1870's. Ario
> de
Ok Thanks When I find out Miguel Vaca parents names I will let you know.
Rafael Meraz Madrigal
________________________________
From: Esther Jordan
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 6:57:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] vaca family
I don't know if we connect yet. I do have a Francisco Vaca (aka Cabesa de
Baca) b. about 1758 married to Lugarda Cuevas (aka De la Cueva) b. abt 1761,
married 12 February 1781, San Francisco de Asis, Ixtlan, Michoacan.
Some of their children were:
Jose Rafhael Cavesa Cueva, b. 11 Jan. 1796, San Francisco, Tamazula de
Gordiano, Jalisco (C603753 1783-1804, film #0225985.)
*Vicente Vaca, b. 1797 (my direct line). *I have info for them but I need
to confirm some dates.
Jose (Josse) Miguel Salome Cabeza Cuevas, ch. 7 July 1789, San Agustin,
Jacona de Placarte, Michoacan
I was hoping to work on this line but just haven't had time to do so. Maybe
this would be a good time and start working on it. :-)
I'll keep your
My name is Daniel Briones,
I have a Francisco Cabeza de Vaca married to a Josefa Lopez in Ixtlan, Michoacan. I was wondering if you think that these Cabeza de Vacas are possibly related?
Thanks,
Daniel Briones
> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:45:36 -0700
> From: merazrafael@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] vaca family
>
> Ok Thanks When I find out Miguel Vaca parents names I will let you know.
>
> Rafael Meraz Madrigal
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Esther Jordan
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 6:57:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] vaca family
>
> I don't know if we connect yet. I do have a Francisco Vaca (aka Cabesa de
> Baca) b. about 1758 married to Lugarda Cuevas (aka De la Cueva) b. abt 1761,
> married 12 February 1781, San Francisco de Asis, Ixtlan, Michoacan.
>
> Some of their children were:
> Jose Rafhael Cavesa Cueva, b. 11 Jan. 1796, San Francisco, Tamazula de
Daniel,
I just started my research on my Vaca line so I dont know but Ixtlan and Ario de
Rayon are close so I think that they are related.
Rafael Meraz
________________________________
From: Daniel Briones
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 9:54:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] vaca family
My name is Daniel Briones,
I have a Francisco Cabeza de Vaca married to a Josefa Lopez in Ixtlan,
Michoacan. I was wondering if you think that these Cabeza de Vacas are possibly
related?
Thanks,
Daniel Briones
> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:45:36 -0700
> From: merazrafael@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] vaca family
>
> Ok Thanks When I find out Miguel Vaca parents names I will let you know.
>
> Rafael Meraz Madrigal
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Esther Jordan
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 6:57:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] vaca family
>
> I
While researching my Vaca line I have found that I too am a descendant of Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas. I am a descendant of theirs through their son Miguel Vaca who married Dolores Ochoa in Ixtlan in 1822.
Rafael Meraz
Rafael, Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas are my direct
descendants; I do need to get confirmation for Rosendo Vaca who married my
gggrandmother, Anastacia Velasquez. All I have is that he was killed before
my ggrandmother Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez was born. I have an original
birth certificate for my ggrandmother and it has all these names that
connect them.
Does that mean we are cousins?
-Esther Jordan Lopez
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, wrote:
> While researching my Vaca line I have found that I too am a descendant of
> Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas. I am a descendant of theirs
> through their son Miguel Vaca who married Dolores Ochoa in Ixtlan in 1822.
> Rafael Meraz
Yes, we are distant cousins. Have you found Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas marriage ?
I have looked for it in the date given but could not find it. I have a photo of my 2nd Great grandmother Maria Vaca Verduzco.
Rafael Meraz
From: Esther Jordan
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I have found a connection !!
Rafael, Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas are my direct
descendants; I do need to get confirmation for Rosendo Vaca who married my
gggrandmother, Anastacia Velasquez. All I have is that he was killed before
my ggrandmother Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez was born. I have an original
birth certificate for my ggrandmother and it has all these names that
connect them.
Does that mean we are cousins?
-Esther Jordan Lopez
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, wrote:
> While researching my Vaca line I have found that I too am a descendant of
> Francisco Cabesa de Baca and Lugarda Cuevas. I am a
Rafael, I don't have photos scanned I can share with you at this time but
hope to have my scanner working soon and I can share a picture or two of my
great grandmother. And if you have your ggrandmother's scanned picture will
you email it to me?
I guess I had better start working more on that line. I do remember my
grandmother, Librada Vaca de Gutierrez, used to go to Michoacan often.
There were family members living there. I was just 5 years old at the time
so I don't remember all the stuff I used to hear from her. So Daniel, you
may have just found our ancestor.
-Esther
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Rafael Meraz wrote:
> Yes, we are distant cousins. Have you found Francisco Cabesa de Baca and
> Lugarda Cuevas marriage ?
> I have looked for it in the date given but could not find it. I have a
> photo of my 2nd Great grandmother Maria Vaca Verduzco.
> Rafael Meraz
>
> From: Esther Jordan
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 8:58 PM
> Subject: Re:
I have a Jose Miguel Salome Cabeza de Vaca baptized in San Agustin, Jacona de Plancarte, Michoacan
on 7 Jul 1799 parents are Francisco Cabeza de Vaca and Lugarda Cuevas.
They also had Jose Rafael Cabeza de Vaca baptized in San Francisco, Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco
on 11 Jan 1796. They married 12 Feb 1781 San Francisco de Asis, Ixtlan, Michoacan, Mexico.
How far have you traced it? They might very well be from Zamora, Michoacan, where my paternal family
lived for two centuries.
Daniel Méndez Camino
The Cabeza de Vaca were a prominant family in Zamora, Michoacan as early as the beginning of
the XVII century. By birth they were and are today hijosdalgo. A family lore that I was told was
the King of Castilla, I believe it was it was one of the Alfonsos in the XIII century were traveling on a path.
So to not get lost the king commanded the man to kill the cow and remove the head and set it on the path.
During the reconquista the family became hijosdalgos and took on the name Cabeza de Vaca. Similar stories like those
of the Vargas Machuca family.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Hello Daniel,
The surname was granted to Martín Alhaja, a shephard, who aided the
Castilian King Alfonso VIII during the Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa in 1212
A.D. Alhaja, who knew the area, placed a cow skull on the road that led to
the battlefield, an unguarded pass in the Sierra Moreno. The Spanish
Christian King surprised the Moorish army and defeated them. This was the
first significant victory for the Christian Spanish during their reconquest
of Spain. He was awarded a coat-of-arms that included a cow skulls in its
design.
Armando
2011/7/6 Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
>
> The Cabeza de Vaca were a prominant family in Zamora, Michoacan as early as
> the beginning of
> the XVII century. By birth they were and are today hijosdalgo. A family
> lore that I was told was
> the King of Castilla, I believe it was it was one of the Alfonsos in the
> XIII century were traveling on a path.
> So to not get lost the king commanded the man to kill the cow and remove
> the head and set
Esther,
I hope I did not come across as getting after you; that was by no means my
intention; I wanted to just inform people that sources are very important
when doing genealogy or family history; (whichever you prefer) and
particular attention needs to be given to where the original information is
coming from. On a different note, one should always go and look at the film;
there is often additional information that can help in the investigation. So
please forgive me if I was mean in any way again, it was not my intention.
As far as the records for Portezuelo, Jalisco go, I will look into it later
today and post an answer either tonight or tomorrow morning. I work a late
schedule every Wednesday, sorry! What time period are you interested in?
Saludos desde Lago Salado
Eduardo H Seoane
Is anyone familiar with the barrio de Triana in Aquascalientes? My Salas-
Ruedas family may have been from there?
Also, is anyone researching Etzatlan? My Estrada family was from there. I am
hoping to find a census record from that town.
Hi Gloria,
I am familiar with the old Barrio de Triana in Aguascalientes. I was there
earlier this year. It is now known as Barrio del Encino, and is within
walking distance (a long walk) from the center of town. Unfortunately, my
research has been only in early church records of Aguascalientes(1600s and
1700s) and so far have not come across any persons with Salas-Ruedas
surname. Just in case you are curious to see what it looks like, I have
attached is a picture of the old church at the center of the Barrio de
Triana.
No information on Etzatlan.
Bill Figueroa
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From:
To:
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:55 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] barrio deTriana - Aguacalientes and Etzatlan
> Is anyone familiar with the barrio de Triana in Aquascalientes? My Salas-
> Ruedas family may have been from there?
>
> Also, is anyone researching Etzatlan? My Estrada family was from there.
> I am
> hoping to find a census record from that town.
>
>
Bill,
As an FYI, this site does not allow you to send photos via e-mail, you can post them directly onto the Nuestros Ranchos website but not through an e-mail attachment, your photo was bounced but the body of the message was allowed to come through.
Alicia
San Jose, Calif
----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Figueroa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:06:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] barrio deTriana - Aguacalientes and Etzatlan
Hi Gloria,
I am familiar with the old Barrio de Triana in Aguascalientes. I was there
earlier this year. It is now known as Barrio del Encino, and is within
walking distance (a long walk) from the center of town. Unfortunately, my
research has been only in early church records of Aguascalientes(1600s and
1700s) and so far have not come across any persons with Salas-Ruedas
surname. Just in case you are curious to see what it looks like, I have
attached is a picture of the old church at the center of the
Thanks, Alicia. I have posted the picture in the album section of Nuestros
Ranchos. To see it please link to
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15336.
Rgds, Bill
Hola Members ,I was wondering if any body can make out the name of the mother of Maria del Rosario Gomez married to Jose Casimiro Munoz in 07 may ,1754 in Etzatlan,Jalisco. Located in the Matrimonios of Etzatlan 1590-1781 image 339. I can make out her father Joseph Gomez but not the mothers name.
Thank you for your time
Ronnie Reynoso
Hola:
Primero que nada, un saludo para todos ustedes ya que soy nuevo en este grupo y espero poder colaborar en conjunto con ustedes a partir de este momento.
Enrique, yo tengo varios desendientes Brambila en mis lineas, aun estoy en
proceso de recopilar información y no tengo todos los datos de ellos. Pero
como bien comenta Pat Haro, en ese libro viene algo sobre los brambila y
trae algunos arboles genealógicos de los Agraz y de los Brambila.
Tambien existe otro escrito del mismo autor (Gabriel Agraz Garcia de Alba)
que trata sobre la genealogia de los Agraz, este se llama:
Un linaje de San Agustín de Tecolotlán: Los Agraz. Posiblemente te sirva.
hola,
Bienvenido al grupo!!!
Si tengo una Brambila de Tecolotlán en mi árbol Maria theresa Brambila
Garcia casada con Miguel Medina (mi árbol es de los Medina) sus padres
Francisco Brambila y Theresa Garcia casados el 28 de feb de 1737, los
padres de francisco son Alejandro Brambila y Antonia de la cueva, hasta ahi
llego.
Ya checaste el libro de tecolotlan que puse el link el otro día???
http://es.scribd.com/doc/39986340/Esbozos-Historicos-de-Tecolotlan
Esta el libro completo y lo puedes bajar gratis.
Upsss no me habia fijado en tu apellido, seguramente lo escribio algun
pariente tuyo, bueno, te sirve para enterarte q ya esta en linea, y
ciertamente con algunas consultas, es un buen libro
Me encantaría trabajar contigo para resolver este misterio
Muchos Saludos
Patricia Haro
Hola Patricia:
Me da mucho gusto conocerte ya que por lo que me dices venimos siendo en cierta forma parientes por Brambila.
Ciertamente en el libro Esbozos Históricos de Tecolotlán, se abarca ampliamente el tema de la genealogía de las familias tecolotlenses fue escrito por un tío mío Gabriel Agraz García de Alba, quién falleció hace ya unos dos años, pero ese trabajo lo escribió haya por 1950's por lo que apenas iniciaba su trabajo como investigador y supongo que tal vez él haya llegado un poco más allá, desgraciadamente yo no lo conocí en persona y he tratado de consultar la extensión de su trabajo pero aún no lo he logrado.
Esperemos que alguien más pueda también esclarecernos la duda y por lo pronto seguiré investigando al respecto.
Saludos
Salvador Agraz
Eventhough I do not descend from the Brambila y Arriaga (sometimes de la Brambila y Arriaga)
it appears that couple of families used this name namely three branches I have found on in
Mexico City early as 1640 the obvious one in Jalisco and another in Michoacan. The
Brambila y Arriaga of Zamora, Michoacan shared close ties to my family Mendez de Torres,
in the marriage of my 7th great grandfather Capt. Joseph Mendez de Torres, Alferez de Zamora
is noted that his padrino was don Alexandro Brambila y Arriaga dated 3 May 1682 in Zamora
don JOseph married Antonia de Solis y Mota Padilla.
Also in another marriage record dated 28 Feb 1683 in Zamora, Michoacan:
Goncalo de Zepeda esp hijo lexitimo del capt. Blas de Zepeda y Dna. Luisa
de Lebana difuncta con Da. Josepha de Brambila y Arriaga hl de don Alexandro de
Brambila y Catalina Arriaga esps. vecinos desta villa (de Zamora).
Im not sure how these fit into that line of Jalisco if they even do but I thought I would
share this.
Hi Daniel:
Thank you for the information previously given. I have read once that the Brambilas' first settled in Michoacán, because Juan Antonio's Brambila (the first Brambila in Mexico) father-in-law, Don Antonio de Arriaga, had as an "encomienda" the Tlazazalca territory in Michoacán. Then some of their descendents went to Jalisco.
So as conclusion, what you said is another clue for saying that the Brambilas' first had their settlement in Michoacan than in any other Mexican state.
Thank you for your time, I'll continue with my research and any new information, I'll tell you.
Salvador Agraz
Can anyone researching Zacatecas tell me where San Jose de la Ysla is located?
I notice in the earlier years many people are coming to Jerez Zacatecas from
there. So many names have changed through the years I also wondered if it still
exists.
Linda in B.C.
It's called Genaro Codina now.
http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/zacatecas/municipios/3…
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Can anyone researching Zacatecas tell me where San Jose de la Ysla is
> located?
> I notice in the earlier years many people are coming to Jerez Zacatecas
> from
> there. So many names have changed through the years I also wondered if it
> still
> exists.
> Linda in B.C.
Armando, thank you for info and the site.. thank you for taking the time to
share it
Linda in B.C.
________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 2:24:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] location of San Jose de la Ysla, Zacatecas
It's called Genaro Codina now.
http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/zacatecas/municipios/3…
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Can anyone researching Zacatecas tell me where San Jose de la Ysla is
> located?
> I notice in the earlier years many people are coming to Jerez Zacatecas
> from
> there. So many names have changed through the years I also wondered if it
> still
> exists.
> Linda in B.C.
Hi.
Did you mean San Jose de la Isla? In Jalisco?
Robert of Tex
________________________________
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 10:46:44 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] location of San Jose de la Ysla, Zacatecas
Can anyone researching Zacatecas tell me where San Jose de la Ysla is located?
I notice in the earlier years many people are coming to Jerez Zacatecas from
there. So many names have changed through the years I also wondered if it still
exists.
Linda in B.C.
I'm researching death dates in Jerez and have found that in 1831 most of the
deaths are from viruelas.. My translator does not tell me what this is.. also
heredia seems to be a cause of death for the older folks.. what are these in
English? Also is there a translation in Spanish for Spanish flu or influenca?
Linda in B.C.
Hola Linda ,its SmallPox
Ronnie
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:56:08 -0700
> From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] illness in Jerez Zac. 1831
>
> I'm researching death dates in Jerez and have found that in 1831 most of the
> deaths are from viruelas.. My translator does not tell me what this is.. also
> heredia seems to be a cause of death for the older folks.. what are these in
> English? Also is there a translation in Spanish for Spanish flu or influenca?
>
> Linda in B.C.
OH! I had not thought of that illness.. thank you primo..
Linda in B.C.
________________________________
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 10:59:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] illness in Jerez Zac. 1831
Hola Linda ,its SmallPox
Ronnie
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:56:08 -0700
> From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] illness in Jerez Zac. 1831
>
> I'm researching death dates in Jerez and have found that in 1831 most of the
> deaths are from viruelas.. My translator does not tell me what this is.. also
> heredia seems to be a cause of death for the older folks.. what are these in
> English? Also is there a translation in Spanish for Spanish flu or influenca?
>
> Linda in B.C.
I believe Viruelas are Chicken pox
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:04:14 -0700
> From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] illness in Jerez Zac. 1831
>
> OH! I had not thought of that illness.. thank you primo..
> Linda in B.C.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ronald Reynoso
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 10:59:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] illness in Jerez Zac. 1831
>
>
> Hola Linda ,its SmallPox
> Ronnie
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:56:08 -0700
> > From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] illness in Jerez Zac. 1831
> >
> > I'm researching death dates in Jerez and have found that in 1831 most of the
> > deaths are from viruelas.. My translator does not tell me what this is.. also
> > heredia seems to be a cause of death for the older folks.. what are these in
> > English? Also is there a translation
Miggy,
Chicken pox is varicela. Smallpox is viruela. Another way to find the
translation to words is to look it up in Wikipedia then click on the link on
the left for the desired language you want it translated to.
Chicken pox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_pox
Varicela - http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicela
Viruela - http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viruela
Smallpox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox
Armando
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Miggy GUTIERREZ wrote:
>
> I believe Viruelas are Chicken pox
>
> > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:04:14 -0700
> > From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] illness in Jerez Zac. 1831
> >
> > OH! I had not thought of that illness.. thank you primo..
> > Linda in B.C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Ronald Reynoso
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 10:59:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] illness in Jerez Zac
Gracias
> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:16:23 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] illness in Jerez Zac. 1831
>
> Miggy,
>
> Chicken pox is varicela. Smallpox is viruela. Another way to find the
> translation to words is to look it up in Wikipedia then click on the link on
> the left for the desired language you want it translated to.
>
> Chicken pox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_pox
> Varicela - http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicela
> Viruela - http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viruela
> Smallpox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Miggy GUTIERREZ wrote:
>
> >
> > I believe Viruelas are Chicken pox
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:04:14 -0700
> > > From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] illness in Jerez Zac. 1831
> > >
> > > OH! I had not thought of that illness.. thank you primo..
> > >
Not really related but those were some terrifying times. In Santa Maria
de Los Angeles during the same time period maybe just a little later in
the 30's there was page after page of deaths caused by cholera. I found
it scary just looking at all the deaths one after the other with the
word cholera as the reason.
joseph
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Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
> I'm researching death dates in Jerez and have found that in 1831 most of the
> deaths are from viruelas.. My translator does not tell me what this is.. also
> heredia seems to be a cause of death for the older
My father is Jose Refujio de Anda his father was Jose de Jesus de Anda and his father was Jose Fidel de Anda and finally his father was Bacilio de Anda.
Hi everyone, I want to share something I discovered today. I found a gap in the records for Arandas in batch no. C602951 covering baptisms from 1768-1785 (film no. 279526).
I had a similar problem in the Bautismos for Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. In the link for the images to Bautismos 1854-1866 it says "1854-1860". The images for 1860-1866 were put up, but not indexed and the link is wrong. I assume that with such a massive task of uploading and indexing, batches will be missed in one way or another. I alerted Feedback at Family Search and they said they would let their engineers know of the problem.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: epfreeman@earthlink.net
> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 22:18:54 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Check for gaps in IGI batch files
>
> Hi everyone, I want to share something I discovered today. I found a gap in the records for Arandas in batch no. C602951 covering baptisms from 1768-1785 (film no. 279526). I had been looking for a relative born in 1785, but her name did not come up in searches at FamilySearch. I finally decided to enter the batch number in the search, and set the
Emilie,
Thank you for following up. My Great Grandfather, Francisco Martin(ez) was born "about 1864" in Encarncion de Diaz, Jalisco. I ha I have failed so far, to discover his baptisimo. Perhaps what you uncovered is the reason.
Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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I had a similar problem in the Bautismos for Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. In the link for the images to Bautismos 1854-1866 it says "1854-1860". The images for 1860-1866 were put up, but not indexed and the link is wrong. I assume that with such a massive task of uploading and indexing, batches will be missed in one way or another. I alerted Feedback at Family Search and they said they would let their engineers know of the problem.
Paul,
Do you have more info on him? Maybe someone here can help you.
Armando
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:47 PM, wrote:
> Emilie,
>
> Thank you for following up. My Great Grandfather, Francisco Martin(ez) was
> born "about 1864" in Encarncion de Diaz, Jalisco. I ha I have failed so far,
> to discover his baptisimo. Perhaps what you uncovered is the reason.
>
> Paul Gomez
> Rancho Cucamonga, CA
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 11:14:35
> To:
> Reply-to: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Check for gaps in IGI batch files
>
>
>
> I had a similar problem in the Bautismos for Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco.
> In the link for the images to Bautismos 1854-1866 it says "1854-1860". The
> images for 1860-1866 were put up, but not indexed and the link is wrong. I
> assume that with such a massive task of uploading and
Emilie,
The Encarnación de Díaz links are listed the same way the microfilms have
always been named. Meaning both 1155474 and 1155475 were named Bautismos
1854-1860 and are likely in the same link and have all the years needed.
Since two different films have the same name they probably can't make two
seperate links and instead we have to search through one big link. There are
1660 records for the link to Bautismos 1854-1860 and I see images for 1854
as well as 1863. 1863-1866 starts at image 1599.
To see how films are named and see their corresponding film number for
Encarnacion you can look at both of the following links
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/show?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcatal…
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetail…
Armando
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Emilie Garcia wrote:
>
>
> I had a similar problem in the Bautismos for Encarnacion de
Tengo los libros retoños de españa en la nueva galicia, tomo 1 y 2 , alguen
los quiere ?
2011/7/3
> Send Research mailing list submissions to
Seria interesado en el primero cuanto lo vende?
Gracias
Daniel Méndez Camino
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Fw: Te lo Agradesco (Celestino Villalobos)
> > 2. Hola Celestino (chavagure@yahoo.com.mx)
> > 3. Adding Links Uploading to a folder. (nancasillas@comcast.net)
> >
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 16:47:42 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Celestino Villalobos
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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> > Chava.
> >
> > Lucas se caso con Gertrudis de Aceves. 30 de Nov 1713 en Jalostotitlan.Film
> > No. (0279295)
> > Padres de Getrudis, son de acuerdo con mi informaci?n; Diego Aceves y Ana
> > Marquez.
> > Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Parrafo 990.
> > San Juan de los Lagos, Jal. Mayo 4 de 1788.- Dispensa
Tuve un problema con la computadora este fin de semana. Ruego a quienes me enviaron una solicitud de busqueda de datos en Coahuila, lo repitan, porque se me borro. Estare pendiente.
I have tons of information on the Casillas Y Cabrera Family to upload and I am doing something wrong. I went in and made a folder. Then I browed to add a link and clicked on add.
Chava.
Lucas se caso con Gertrudis de Aceves. 30 de Nov 1713 en Jalostotitlan.Film No.
Muchas gracias por tu valiosa información, tengo pocos meses que inicié en buscar mis antepasados y es muy interesante, nunca crei que la mayoria de los alteños seamos parientes , de Jalos , de Lagos, de Teocaltiche etc. en el siglo 18 , todos los de origen español se trasladaban en esas zonas y se casaban , tambien es curioso la endogamia existente, pero , es logico, tenian que cuidar su origen .
Estamos en contacto.
atte.
Salvador Gutiérrez
Dear friends:
Estimado don Miguel,
No tengo ningún dato de Pedro Muñoz y Trinidad Aguilar. Lo que menciona sobre Carlota Moreno Guerra Valadés me interesa bastante ¿Tiene vínculo ésta con los Guerra Valadés de Jalisco? Carlota Moreno y Cosme Muñoz casaron en la parroquia de de San Cosme, Villa de Cos, Zacatecas el 20 de mayo de 1858.
Saludos,
Daniel Méndez Camino
Carlota es hija de Jesús Moreno de Fresnillo y de Maria Jacoba de los Dolores Guerra Valadés y del Castillo, bautizada en Villa de Cos, Zac., en 1820 e hija de Juan de Dios Guerra Valades Gamez y María Antonia del Castillo y González de Solis. Juan de Dios es bautizado en Villa de Cos. Es hijo de Antonio Guerra Valades y Maria Gamez que casaron en Villa de Cos en 1774. Don Antonio es hijo de Bernardo Guerra Valadés casado con Maria Theresa González de Solís. Don Bernardo es el Notario Publico en Villa de Cos, en el ultimo tercio del siglo XVIII. Ahi mismo, en esa epoca vivia el Cura Lucas Guerra Valadés y Abrego, cuyo padre Juan Guerra Valadés es de Aguascalientes y su madre es Naria de Abrego Romero de Saltillo hija de don Bernardino de Abrego y de Maria Romero. No he encontrado el vinculo entre don Bernardo y don Lucas. Trabajaban juntos en Villa de Cos, uno como notario publico (Bernardo) y el otro como Notario parroquial (Lucas). Mi hipotesis es que ambos vienen de las familias de
Salvador - you might have better luck contacting the local standing parish
priest or the "notario".
Dear friends at Nuestros Ranchos.
BACKGROUND:
My name is Salvador Quirarte. My father was Cesar Quirarte Ruiz, born in
Nochistlan, Zacatecas in 1901.
Salvador,
In the website for the city of Nochistlan, the only "persona Ilustre" with the surname Quirarte is
a lady who is/was a "historiadora". Maybe she is/was a relative of yours.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 17:58:11 -0500
> From: squirartetcn@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> CC: squirartetcn@gmail.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Request for information or some reference about Cesar Quirarte
>
> Dear friends at Nuestros Ranchos.
> BACKGROUND:
> My name is Salvador Quirarte. My father was Cesar Quirarte Ruiz, born in
> Nochistlan, Zacatecas in 1901. His parents were Hermenegildo Quirarte and
> Gumara Ruiz. My father and his two sisters Maria and Clotilde Evelia
> Quirarte Ruiz left Nochistlan some time in the early 20's to migrate first
> to Aguascalientes and later to Mexico City.
> His sister Clotilde Evelia was the first women born in the state of
> Zacatecas to graduate and receive a Masters degree and a PHD degree. That
> has
One more state was posted today.
George
Hello,
I am trying to locate information on my Grandmother Aurora Cordero. She married Amador Martinez and ccording to immigration documents it states that she came into the U.S. with him, her place of birth is Fresnillo Mexico around 1986 According to my Father he says she always said she was born in Guadalajar.
Her Father's name was Aurelio Cordero her Mother was Senorina Borrego.
I have located baptismal records for her sister and brother.
Sister Ma. Rebeca Cordero
Brother Miguel Cordero
Brother Aurelio Cordero
Border Crossing information for Aurora Cordero
Border Crossings From Mexico to United States, 1903-1957 for Aurora Cordero
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Name: Aurora Cordero
Arrival Date: 13 Mar 1919
Arrival Port: El Paso
Age:
Estimated Birth Year: 1899
Birth Date:
Birthplace: Fresnillo
Birth Country: Mexico
Gender: Female
Race: Mexican
Last Residence:
Accompanied by: Husband A Martinez
This is great news, George! I worked very hard with FS indexing on Nayarit. My father and his mother and father were born in Nayarit, as well as multiple numbers of paternal (Gomez) and maternal (Lizarraga) grandparents were born in that state, orignally part of Nueva Galicia.
Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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One more state was posted today.
George
Un saludo a todos los miembros del foro. Despúes de un año en este proyecto publico el libro, Archivos parroquiales de Aguascalientes: Siglo VII.
Will I be able to buy a signed copy?
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] El libro,
Archivos parroquiales de Aguascalientes: Siglo XVII
Un saludo a todos los miembros del foro. Despúes de un año en este proyecto publico el libro, Archivos parroquiales de Aguascalientes: Siglo VII. Son todos mis extracciones del siglo XVII de sus registros de Aguascalientes, mis apuntes, apéndices, etc. La venta empezerá la semana que viene. Luego pongo el enlace para comprar su copia.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Primo Daniel:
tengo interés en estudiar tu libro. Indícame por favor la forma de adquirirlo
felipe reyes romo
Aqui esta el sitio para comprar su copia
http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/archivos-parroquiales-de-aguascal…
Daniel Méndez Camino
> From: pipo957@hotmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 20:59:53 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] El libro, Archivos parroquiales de Aguascalientes: Siglo XVII
>
>
> Primo Daniel:
> tengo interés en estudiar tu libro. Indícame por favor la forma de adquirirlo
> felipe reyes romo
>
>
>
>
>
>
A huge thank you to Daniel Méndez Camino who sent me in the right direction!!! :)
Glad I could be of service. I was taught the more we share the more we receive.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Daniel Mendez Camino.... I can send you what I have so far...but the files some of them are huge 2-5 Mb so I would only be able to send them a few at a time. Send me your email address again....for some reason it disappeared out of my email in box file. I don't know what happened.
Nancy
Hello Nancy,
I looked up the marriage you mentioned which showed to be in film 279299. I
looked up the name of the volume by going to
https://www.familysearch.org/#form=catalog&catSearchType=film_number then
putting in the film number then I went down the list until I found it
corresponds with Matrimonios 1791-1800. Then I went to Mexico, Jalisco,
Catholic Church Records Jalostotitlán - Nuestra Señora de la Asunción
like you mentioned and I clicked on the link for Matrimonios 1791-1800. Then
I checked some pages until I found image 241 which has the marriage record
you were looking for. The film record number in the index definitely matches
where the record actually is. There is a difference between the records of
Matrimonios which is a record of the actual marriage and Información
Matrimonial which is a record of the declarations of the involved parties
and the witnesses. The names found in the records of the Información
Matrimonial unfortunately were not indexed but at least
Nancy, welcome to the wonderful world of research! I'm working on a marriage
information record that has 3,100 pages, they are being done 1 by 1 so I don't
miss the family connections since they list the dispensations that go back 4 and
5 generations.
Sometimes we are very lucky and find someone working on the same lines and they
share their information that connects us and takes us back generations.
As for me I have started listing the page numbers from the Familysearch online
pilot program you are using now. This will make it much easier for you and
others to find what they are looking for without having to search the complete
month or year to find what they are looking for. I am also entering into my
records the page number for each month on the film I work on.. so much easier to
find if you have the first page of each month..
Happy hunting, Linda in B.C.
( researching in Zacatecas, Jalisco and Michoacan)
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From: "nancasillas
Linda,
What sort of record is it that lists so many generations back?! The matrimonial entries I've researched online are very short, sometimes don't even list parents. Then the corresponding informacion matrimonial to the entry, is not much longer. I've never even seen grandparents mentioned, usually just testigos giving the same formulaic responses.
What you're doing sounds very long and drawn, but with the promise of great results.
Please let me know. Are these documents you are researching from another source other than familysearch online or microfilm?
Thanks so much. Sounds exciting! Alice Blake
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From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question: Researching (Casillas-Cabrera) at www.familysearch.org
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, June 26, 2011, 5:38 PM
Nancy, welcome to the wonderful world of research! I'm working on a marriage
information record that has 3,100 pages, they
Alice these are marriage information records for Jerez, Zacatecas. I'm working
on 1891-1902 so it's no wonder there are more than 3,100 pages. Not all marriage
information records give as much information as the later ones but they do
usually mention the inlaws and of course the witnesses. I am also now intering
if they could read or write also, that information is on the marriage
information records too and also for the witnesses and parents. Some older
records simply state they had a dispensation and how many generations, 2nd, 3rd
or 4th degree. I find marriage information records give more information than
any other church record.
I am only working on the Familysearch pilot program now since I can work from
home. Going to Jerez and Jalisco was of no help since they were understaffed,
overworked and had no copy machines. I think others have had better experiences
finding records in Mexico than I did.
Linda in B.C.
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From: Alice
Thank you for the heads up....I have been researching now over 30 years....but the French side of the family. The French were fanatics at record keeping and indexing records. They also linked the records pretty fast, when digitalizing of records began. T he University of Montréal is a wealth of information as well as the PRDH and have links to the actual records that are indexed, so you don't have to scroll through 1000's of them . With all the effort that was done to compile the index at familysearch.org....it would have been heaven if someone would have thought to put the page numbers down as they indexed everything. Can you imagine how sweet that would have been. With what I am looking for in Jalostotitlan, it'll only be about 400-1000 to scroll through... ...wish me luck!! :)
Nancy Casillas
Saint Clair, Michigan
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From: "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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Thanks so much, Linda!
Since I'm relatively new at this, I thought that maybe there is another source I just didn't know about dealing specifically with dispensations for marriage that offered more information than the informacion matrimonials online. It's true I'm currently dealing mostly with early to mid 1700's, so things must have been different then or different from parish to parish. Continued good luck on your gold mine!
Alice Blake
--- On Sun, 6/26/11, Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question: Researching (Casillas-Cabrera) at www.familysearch.org
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, June 26, 2011, 8:35 PM
Alice these are marriage information records for Jerez, Zacatecas. I'm working
on 1891-1902 so it's no wonder there are more than 3,100 pages. Not all marriage
information records give as much information as the later ones but they do
usually mention the inlaws and of course the witnesses. I am
Alice, one thing I've learned is whenever possible don't enter a surname for the
wife unless her name is Maria. The females used so many surnames it sometimes
simplifies things. Also expect females to have more than one surname. Another
thing is if the surname is not usual for the area then expand your search to all
states.
Also the Sagrada Mitra does deal with only dispensations for the earlier years.
I have not tried the Guadalajara records but they sound very informative.
good luck in your search.. the ancestors are waiting for you to find them!
Linda in B.C.
________________________________
From: Alice Blake
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 5:26:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question: Researching (Casillas-Cabrera) at
www.familysearch.org
Thanks so much, Linda!
Since I'm relatively new at this, I thought that maybe there is another source I
just didn't know about dealing specifically with dispensations for marriage that
offered more
Thank you, Linda. Good suggestions. I,too, have found the importance of jotting down page numbers attached to dates;otherwise you find yourself, researching pages more times than one. In the end, however, research remains that, i.e., lots of tedious plowing through page of page, looking for that elusive family member. But what satisfaction in "discovery",no?
Paul Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, Ca
(Researching in Jalisco, Aguascalientes, and Nayarit)
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Nancy, welcome to the wonderful world of research! I'm working on a marriage
information record that has 3,100 pages, they are being done 1 by 1 so I don't
miss the family connections since they list the dispensations that
Paul, I should have mentioned there is no thrill like finding it yourself.. for
this reason when putting things in my online baptism files I put the childs
name, date of birth and city and the parents only. I give the film and page
number to allow the reader to find the grandparents and padrinos for
themselves. I do list the grandparents but not how they are listed in the
record. I totally agree with you!!!
Linda in B.C.
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From: "paul.gomez@verizon.net"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 11:44:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question: Researching (Casillas-Cabrera)
atwww.familysearch.org
Thank you, Linda. Good suggestions. I,too, have found the importance of jotting
down page numbers attached to dates;otherwise you find yourself, researching
pages more times than one. In the end, however, research remains that, i.e.,
lots of tedious plowing through page of page, looking for that elusive family
member. But
I have good news for all the members of the group. After a year in this project I have published the book, Archivos parroquiales de Aguascalientes: Siglo XVII.
Para comprar su copia del libro sigue el enlace,
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To buy your copy follow the link,
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Thanks again to everyone who has supported me along the way,
Daniel Méndez Camino
You can go to website it explains and answers all your questions and those the group
may have.
http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/archivos-parroquiales-de-aguascal…
It does not include an index I decided to exclude because the price was going to be much higher. I rather have people pay
for the actual content and work and not the index.
Daniel Méndez Camino
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