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de alba

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buen dia

busco el apellido de alba landeros
y hernadez ruiz esparza

de lagos de moreno

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Published by Emma.deAlba – Fri, 2010-03-05 09:09 | Permalink

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Emma de Alba

Norberto Ruiz Esparza y Antonia Espinoza Villalobos
se casaron aproximadamente en 1860, en Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco.
padres de Maria Trinidad Ruiz Esparza Espinoza se caso en 1900 aproximadamente con
Cecilio Hernandez Velazquez.. Padres de Hilda Hernandez Ruiz Esparza se caso con Jose Concepcion De Alba Landeros en 1950 en el templo de la luz en Lagos de Moreno, jalisco

Jose Concepcion de Alba Hernandez es hijo de los serñores Jose concepcion de
Alba y la Sra Leonor Landeros vivieron en Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco...

Es toda la informacion que pude recabar.. tengo mas informacion de los Hernandez Ruiz Esparza que los De Alba..

Saludos
Emma de Alba

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Hola Emma,

Un hermano de Hilda Hernández Ruiz Esparza, Rubén, se casó con una tía mía.
Según Antonia Espinoza Villalobos fue pariente mío por lado de mi abuelo
Joaquín Antuñano Villalobos. Su mamá fue Hermelinda Villalobos Dávalos. Los
padres de Hermelinda fueron Bernardo Villalobos Santoyo y Juana Dávalos
Lozano. Busco más información de los Villalobos. ¿Tienes más? Te comento
también conozco a Sara Hernández Ruiz Esparza y las familias Martín de Alba,
Navarro ¿Hernández? y otras por medio de mis primos.Busco más información de
los Villalobos. ¿Tienes más?

Saludos,
Armando

2010/3/5

> Emma de Alba
> Norberto Ruiz Esparza y Antonia Espinoza Villalobos se casaron
> aproximadamente en 1860, en Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco.
> padres de Maria Trinidad Ruiz Esparza Espinoza se caso en 1900
> aproximadamente con Cecilio Hernandez Velazquez.. Padres de Hilda Hernandez
> Ruiz Esparza se caso con Jose Concepcion De Alba Landeros en 1950 en el
> templo de la luz en Lagos de Moreno, jalisco
>

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Hola Emma:

Leo que tienes información de los Ruíz Esparza, los que tienes ¿son
parientes de Trinidad Ruíz Esaprza casado con Luisa Esparza?
Me interesan
Te agradezco la infromación que tengas
Saludos
José Julio Colón Corona

El 5 de marzo de 2010 10:09, escribió:

> Emma de Alba
> Norberto Ruiz Esparza y Antonia Espinoza Villalobos se casaron
> aproximadamente en 1860, en Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco.
> padres de Maria Trinidad Ruiz Esparza Espinoza se caso en 1900
> aproximadamente con Cecilio Hernandez Velazquez.. Padres de Hilda Hernandez
> Ruiz Esparza se caso con Jose Concepcion De Alba Landeros en 1950 en el
> templo de la luz en Lagos de Moreno, jalisco
> Jose Concepcion de Alba Hernandez es hijo de los serñores Jose concepcion
> de Alba y la Sra Leonor Landeros vivieron en Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco...
>
> Es toda la informacion que pude recabar.. tengo mas informacion de los
> Hernandez Ruiz Esparza que los De Alba..
> Saludos Emma de Alba -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>

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Hola Emma,

Acabo de encontrar en pilot.familysearch.org unas personas de Lagos con los apellidos Ruíz Fonseca que nacieron entro 1866 y 1875. Yo creo que son los hermanos de Norberto Ruiz-Esparza Fonseca. Los nombres de los padres son Cirilo Ruiz y Catarina Fonseca. Esos nombres a veces salen como Cirito, Ruis, Cantarina, y Fonceca. Todo dependiendo del padre que apuntó el nombre y las persona en Family History Library quienes transcribieron el registro sacramental. También entiendo que solían apuntar solamente Ruíz aunque realmente eran Ruíz-Esparza. Los abuelos maternos son Marcial Fonceca y Andrea Zuñiga.

Maximiano Ruiz Fonceca
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…

Jose Hildefonzo Ruis Fonseca
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…

Blasa Ruiz Fonceca
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…

Otro

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Hola Emma. Gracias a varios miembros de aqui ya tengo mucho más información
y lo he estado apuntando en Geneanet. Puedes ver lo que pertenece a tu
familia en el siguiente enlace
http://gw0.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=arman212_w&lang=es;m=A;p=hilda;n=h…ísame
por favor si hay algún error o si quieres que lo modifique. Saludos.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:53 PM, wrote:

> Emma de Alba
>
> hola armando saludos agradezco esta informacion... -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

Rancho de la Savor ? Not sure of correct spelling/name

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I have a marriage record for Cruz Chaves y Juana Gonzales dated 02 April 1856.

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Published by migueltran – Fri, 2010-09-03 15:04 | Permalink

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Should be "La Labor", a very common name for ranches-

Debe ser "La Labor", un nombre muy comun para los ranchos.

Miguel Beltran

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Thank you Miguel. The "L" and "S" letters in this document are difficult to read.

I appreicate your input.

Pat Silva Corbera

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho de la Savor ? Not

Should be "La Labor", a very common name for ranches-

Debe ser "La Labor", un nombre muy comun para los ranchos.

Miguel Beltran

Villalobos, González de Rubalcava, Moreno, Gallardo, Martín del Campo etc de Lagos de Moreno

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Hello everyone, I just received a copy of the second marriage of José Maria
Villalobos and with the names of his parents I think I have found a large
number of his ancestors on pilot search and Gen

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Published by celestino_villalobos – Sat, 2010-09-04 11:30 | Permalink

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Armando. En los archivos de Nuestros Rachos, tengo los padres y los hijos de Juan De Villalobos y Petra Galvan. Hay dos hermanos de apellidos Moreno casados con los hijos de Juan y Petra, muy seguro tengan relación con Petra Moreno. Bajo el apellido Villalobos Celestino. Tal vez te ayude.

--- On Sun, 8/29/10, Armando wrote:

> From: Armando
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villalobos, González de Rubalcava, Moreno, Gallardo, Martín del Campo etc de Lagos de Moreno
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 12:48 PM
> Hello everyone, I just received a
> copy of the second marriage of José Maria
> Villalobos and with the names of his parents I think I have
> found a large
> number of his ancestors on pilot search and Geneanet and I
> am hoping for
> verification and help with further research especially
> since they hopefully
> tie into some trees of others on here.
>
> Hola a todos, acabo de recibir una copia del segundo
> matrimonio de José
> María Villalobos

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Primo, muchísimas gracias por el aporte. Si me ayudó. Lo acabo de agregar a
mi página de Geneanet. El enlace a la familia Villalobos Galvan es
http://gw0.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=arman212_w&lang=es;p=juan;n=villal…én
esta todo lo antemencionado en Geneanet junto a otros ancestros que
he encontrado gracias a ti y otras personas por medio de discusiones que han
tenido aquí en Nuestros Ranchos. Esas personas son Bill Figueroa, Salvador
Cabral, y Daniel Mendez, aparte de otros. Espero que me corrigen cualquier
error que tenga. Estoy apuntando las fechas de bautismo como fecha de
nacimiento en casi todas las personas. Todavía no encuentro los padres de
Petra Galvan, Gabriel Gallegos,* *María Gertrudis Moreno Gamino, María
Magdalena Amador, María Manuela Ramirez, y María Avila. Tambien me faltan
los abuelos de Rita Rosalia Esparza Moreno, José Antonio de Abalos Ayala y
Guzmán, y Juana María Araujo Muñoz para tener la mayoria de los tercer
abuelos de Hermelinda Villalobos

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Segun mi amigo, el Lic. Mariano Gonzalez Leal, Gabriel Gallegos era hijo de
Gabriel Gallegos y Juliana Gutierrez Guerrero. En mis estudios personal
estos Gutierrez Guerreros se asociaban con el apellido Amador tambien.
Yo vengo de estos dichos, es mi linea. Tuvieron a mi antepasada, Juana de
Amador. Quien caso a Bartolome Alonso de los Hinojos, de aqui provengo.
Ojala esto de ayuda Armando.

Daniel Mendez

> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 19:16:14 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villalobos, González de Rubalcava, Moreno, Gallardo, Martín del Campo etc de Lagos de Moreno
>
> Primo, muchísimas gracias por el aporte. Si me ayudó. Lo acabo de agregar a
> mi página de Geneanet. El enlace a la familia Villalobos Galvan es
> http://gw0.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=arman212_w&lang=es;p=juan;n=villal…én
> esta todo lo antemencionado en Geneanet junto a otros ancestros que
> he encontrado gracias a ti y otras

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Published by mendezdetorres – Sun, 2010-08-29 20:15 | Permalink

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Hola Armando, e puedo ayudar. Tengo un base de datos bastante grande.
Necesito estudiar mas de esto Moreno y Gaminos y villalobos Galvan pero
sobre los Gallegos Macias te puedo ayudar.

Gabriel Gallegos caso Maria Getrudis Dominguez el 21 Feb 1700 en
Aguascalientes. Eran hijos de Gabriel Gallegos y Juliana Gutierrez Guerrero
Sebastian Macias Valadez y Josepha Dominguez. En varios regstros Gertruds
parece como Dominguez o Macias Valadez, es la misma. Ella se bautzo 6 jan 1681
en Aguascalientes. Sebastian era hijo de Joseph Macias Valadez y Catalina Oran
de la Vega y caso a Josepha Dominguez el 5 Feb 1680 en Aguas con josepha Dominguez
hija de Juan Hernandez Gamino y Ana Maria Dominguez.

El Capt. Joseph Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba era hijo del Capt. Fulgencio Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba.
Joseph se bautizo 15 apr 1620 en LAgos murio 21 nov 1679 en Lagos. Ana Gonzalez Florida era
hija de Francisco Munoz de la Barba y Catarina Gutierrez Rubio

Daniel

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Hola Daniel,

Muchas gracias por los aportes. Fíjate que encontré un árbol en rootsweb que
creo que es tuyo y pasé casi todos los datos que me faltaban de mis
antepasados al árbol mio, de cual eran muchos. Ta aviso que hay algunos
datos de tu árbol que no estan de acuerdo con el árbol de Salvador Cabral y
hace falta apuntar la fuente. Por lo pronto no necesito la fuente original y
estoy apuntando el enlace a los árboles de Uds. (El tuyo, Fco. Martín,
Javier Sanchiz, etc) y en el futuro llegaré a comprar y apuntar fuentes de
documentación original. El enlace del árbol que encontré es el siguiente
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=los…¿Es
tuyo ese árbol?

Gracias y un saludo cordial,

Armando

2010/8/29 Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

>
>
>
>
> Hola Armando, e puedo ayudar. Tengo un base de datos bastante grande.
> Necesito estudiar mas de esto Moreno y Gaminos y villalobos Galvan pero
> sobre los Gallegos Macias te

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Si, es poco viejo pero a lo menos puedes verlo. Si es mi proximo proyecto, citar toda mi informacion.
Cuando empece la genealogia, no pense que era muy importante al momento, pero ahora estoy
haciendalo aver cuando puedo subir el nuevo arbol con los fuentes. Lo que enconrastes es mi cuenta
que era de gran tiempo, lo he cambiado.

Si conozco por comunicacion a Salvador Cabral y Francisco MArtin y Javier Sanchiz.
Si tenia muchos errores al principio varios han sido corregidos.
Daniel Mendez de Camino

> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:00:25 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villalobos, González de Rubalcava, Moreno, Gallardo, Martín del Campo etc de Lagos de Moreno
>
> Hola Daniel,
>
> Muchas gracias por los aportes. Fíjate que encontré un árbol en rootsweb que
> creo que es tuyo y pasé casi todos los datos que me faltaban de mis
> antepasados al árbol mio, de cual eran muchos. Ta aviso que hay algunos
> datos de tu

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Sí, al menos pude verlo. Asi tengo los nombres hasta el siglo 16 de esos
antepasados. Ha sido un sueño para mi completar el árbol y estaba preparado
nunca lograrlo aúnque ya tenia una linea hasta siglo 16. Esperaré con
paciencia los datos citados con fuentes. De nuevo te digo que estoy
agradecido por la ayuda que me has dado.

2010/8/30 Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

>
> Si, es poco viejo pero a lo menos puedes verlo. Si es mi proximo proyecto,
> citar toda mi informacion.
> Cuando empece la genealogia, no pense que era muy importante al momento,
> pero ahora estoy
> haciendalo aver cuando puedo subir el nuevo arbol con los fuentes. Lo que
> enconrastes es mi cuenta
> que era de gran tiempo, lo he cambiado.
>
> Si conozco por comunicacion a Salvador Cabral y Francisco MArtin y Javier
> Sanchiz.
> Si tenia muchos errores al principio varios han sido corregidos.
> Daniel Mendez de Camino
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:00:25 -0500
> > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > To

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Published by Angelina_Markle – Sun, 2010-08-29 11:30 | Permalink

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Armando -

I can't help with any specifics on the names you give but I can tell you
that I came across a book on Borderlandsbooks.com that has been helpful to
me with my research.
The title is "Bautismos, Matrimonios y Defunciones, en el Primer Siglo de
Santa Maria de los Lagos". As the title infers it is a transcription of the
baptismal, marriage, and death records that exist for the first century of
its existence. The book is in Spanish and it predates the individuals that
you are looking for but the surnames you mentioned appear repeatedly so it
may behoove you to get a copy of the book.

-Angelina-

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Angelina,

Thank you for bringing this book to my attention. I plan on buying this and
many more that deal with Lagos and subjects related to my ancestors once it
is possible.

Armando

2010/8/29 Angelina Markle

> Armando -
>
> I can't help with any specifics on the names you give but I can tell you
> that I came across a book on Borderlandsbooks.com that has been helpful to
> me with my research.
> The title is "Bautismos, Matrimonios y Defunciones, en el Primer Siglo de
> Santa Maria de los Lagos". As the title infers it is a transcription of the
> baptismal, marriage, and death records that exist for the first century of
> its existence. The book is in Spanish and it predates the individuals that
> you are looking for but the surnames you mentioned appear repeatedly so it
> may behoove you to get a copy of the book.
>
> -Angelina-
>
>

Constancia

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Is anyone familiar with, or have information on a factory in Durango
state named 'Constancia' around 1900?
Thanks In advance.

Raymond Medrano

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Sat, 2010-09-04 18:48 | Permalink

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According to this webpage, there was a German textile factory established in 1876 in La Constancia, in the municipality of Nombre de Dios, Durango:
http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/durango/mpios/10016a.h…

http://www.nuestro-mexico.com/Durango/Nombre-de-Dios/La-Constancia/

Nombre de Dios is a town between Sombrerete, Zacatecas and Durango, Durango. It is the head of the municipality where La Constancia is located. Chances are the name of the factory was "La Constancia" and the settlement around it took its name.

Later the factory took the name of "Londy" or "Lundy" and produced rugs but it closed in 1981:
http://www.elsiglodetorreon.com.mx/noticia/306271.se-repartiran-londy-e…
http://s4.elsiglodetorreon.com.mx/noticia/303413.disputan-terrenos-de-e…

Victoriano Navarro

Rancho de los Ríos, Jerez, Zacatecas

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Does any one has information on where is the Rancho de los Ríos, Jerez, Zacatecas and who founded it?

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Published by arturoramos – Fri, 2007-08-31 03:05 | Permalink

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Sylvia:

If you look in the links section under Geography, then under Digital Map Collections, then under Secretaria de Comunicaciones y Transportes you will find a very detailed contemporary road map of Zacatecas:

http://dgp.sct.gob.mx/index.php?id=440

If you find Jerez and go south on the main federal road seven kilometers, then head east past La Labor, you will find Rancho de los Rios just before La Gavia. So basically, it is about 15 kilometers southeast of Jerez.

As to its foundation, I can't help there.

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Sylvia, what family names are you researching from Los Rios? I'm researching Jerez but do not have any family from Los Rios even though I see them frequently in the records. I'd be glad to keep an eye out for your lines when doing further records. Mostly I've recorded from El Durazno, Los Rodartes, Los Haros, Los Juarez, La Boca, El Cargadero, Santa Rita and Cienega unless they moved to the big city Jerez then I record them too.

Linda in B.C.

arturoramos wrote:

Sylvia:

If you look in the links section under Geography, then under Digital Map Collections, then under Secretaria de Comunicaciones y Transportes you will find a very detailed contemporary road map of Zacatecas:

http://dgp.sct.gob.mx/index.php?id=440

If you find Jerez and go south on the main federal road seven kilometers, then head east past La Labor, you will find Rancho de los Rios just before La Gavia. So basically, it is about 15 kilometers southeast of Jerez.

As to its foundation, I can't help there.

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Starting back from my ancestor José Rafael CARLOS de GODOY Escovedo born
in Rancho de los Rios, 25 Jan 1802; I only have his father's dead date.
Last names either in Rancho de los Rios and or Jerez.
Carlos de Godoy (I have a good collection of data but missing some pieces),
Flores de Alatorre, Velasco, Miranda, Escovedo y Garcia.
Thank you

Sylvia H Corona

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Hi Silvia,

I hope the following information is useful:

CARLOS ESCOBEDO José RAFAEL, español, de bautizado por el Bachiller don Pedro Carrillo Dávila en la iglesia parroquial de Jerez el 30 de octubre de 1807, a los 6 días de nacido en el Ranchito de los Ríos, a la una de la mañana, hijo legítimo de don José María Carlos y de doña María Guadalupe Escobedo. Abuelos paternos: don Pedro Carlos y doña Mariana Flores. Abuelos maternos: don Ventura de Escobedo y doña Catalina García. Padrinos: don José María Joaristi y doña Francisca Proa. Foja. 85 vuelta.
ESCOBEDO Ventura (Don), español, de 55 años de edad, vecino de la villa de Jerez. Fojas: 70v –71. Información matrimonial. Jerez, Zac. 11 de octubre de 1800. Testigo.
ESCOBEDO don Ventura DE, español, viudo que fue de doña Catalina García, vecinos de la villa de Jerez. Recibió los santos sacramentos de la penitencia y extremaunción. Murió de hidropesia. Sepultado el 18 de junio de 1811 en la capilla del Camposanto por el Presbítero don

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Hector Felix Aizcorbe
I have some more questions:
In Nov 13, 2002 I review film #0439848 Vol No. 9 Oct 1780-1784
Jose Antonio Mariano- 16 Nov 1782 hijo de Jose Maria Carlos de Godoy y
Tomasa Juana Carrillo.
There is a note that I can not make sence of my notes:
"se dio Fe en M______________? 11 Mayo 1803."
Can you please verify for me this information, if you have the film.

I know that Jose Maria Carlos de Godoy married three times:
1 Josefa de los Rios
2 Tomasa Juana Carrillo
3 Maria Guadalupe Escobedo Garcia

This Jose Antonio Mariano was a priest and he is the one that went to
Jalisco. I presume that he took with him the widow of his father and the 4
children to live with him in San Gabriel -Venustiano Carranza- Jalisco
after the dead of Jose Maria Carlos de Godoy in 1810.

I know about the children but I will like to find their birthdays:
Ygnacio \CARLOS DE GODOY Escovedo born 1803
Antonia \CARLOS DE GODOY Escovedo born in1804
José Rafael \CARLOS DE GODOY Escovedo that we know

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Hi Sylvia,

I don't have the film. I've got extracts of several entries in the books of the parrochial archives produced by a friend of mine who lives in Jerez. I haven't got the entry for Jose Antonio Mariano Carrillo, but I can tell you that "se dio fe in M__ on 11 de mayo de 1803" indicates that a certified copy of the entry was produced on that date most probably with the purpose of being a proof to become a priest.

Unfortunately I don't have any more information on the rest of Jose Maria Carlos' children or marriages, nor on Guadalupe Villa Guzman.

Regards,
Hector > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> From: SCorona@rcac.org> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:55:27 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho de los Rios, Jerez, Zacatecas> > > > Hector Felix Aizcorbe> I have some more questions:> In Nov 13, 2002 I review film #0439848 Vol No. 9 Oct 1780-1784> Jose Antonio Mariano- 16 Nov 1782 hijo de Jose Maria Carlos de Godoy y> Tomasa Juana Carrillo.> There is a note that I can not

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Estimada Sylvia no se a estas fechas ya tengas la información completa que buscabas sobre los hijos de Jóse Mária Carlos de Godoy, en mis archivos tengo la fecha de bautizo de Rafael hijo de Jóse María Carlos y María Guadalupe Escovedo, siendo esta fecha el 30 de octubre de 1807 en Jerez, Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, México, la fuente es la siguiente y espero te sirva.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
J600806 1806 - 1874 0439849 Film NONE Sheet: 00

Saludos

Miguel González de Hermosillo Ramírez

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this is the record you mentioned:

 baptism 30 Oct 1807 in Jerez
Jose Rafael Espanol born in los Rios 6 days old 1am
parents: Don Jose Maria Carlos and Dona Maria Guadalupe Escovedo
pat grn: Don Pedro Carlos and Dona Mariana Flores
mat grn: Don Ventura de Escovedo and Dona Catarina Garcia
pad: Don Jose Maria Tocisti? And Dona Francisca Prea

________________________________
From: "scorpiios@live.com.mx"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 1:37:26 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho de los Rios, Jerez, Zacatecas

Estimada Sylvia no se a estas fechas ya tengas la información completa que
buscabas sobre los hijos de Jóse Mária Carlos de Godoy, en mis archivos tengo la
fecha de bautizo de Rafael hijo de Jóse María Carlos y María Guadalupe Escovedo,
siendo esta fecha el 30 de octubre de 1807 en Jerez, Jerez De Garcia Salinas,
Zacatecas, México, la fuente es la siguiente y espero te sirva.
               
Source Information:
Batch No.:     Dates:   

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Recall: Cortez Alvarado

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Maria Cortes would like to recall the message, "[Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado".
Notice: This email message, including any attachments, contains
information belonging to Trinity Industries, Inc.

Cortez Alvarado

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Busco informacion sobre Pilar Ortiz y Paula Torres. Lo unico que tengo es que se casaron en San Felipe Gto. Se que tuvieron a u hijo llamado Jose Estanislao Ortiz en San Isidro de Ocampo.

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Published by siriuslr – Thu, 2010-09-02 17:00 | Permalink

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tal vez luego se cambiaron de guanajuato a Jalisco porque seguían teniendo hijos.. basta con ver en la dirección que te mando todos los hijos.. Jose Emiliana 15 aug 1858 C606825 Catarino 4 may 1846...film 646896..Jose Hilario 20 jan 1867...je. Nicanor 20 mar 1853, Caciana 19 aug 1855 ( en Lagos de moreno Jalisco), José Martín.. 6 feb 1848, Gumecindo 21 jan 1849, Balvina 6 apr 185 y algo..

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Groom name
Francisco Ortiz

Bride name
Apolonia Moreno

Marriage date
30 Oct 1841

Marriage place
San Felipe,Guanajuato,Mexico

Batch number
M60893-4

Record group
Mexico-ODM

Film number
644414
http://fsbeta.familysearch.org/s/search/index/record-search-advanced#se…

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Parece que estos si son, porque Martin Moreno y Calistra Torres tuvieron hijos en Guanajuato.

Name: Jose De Jesus Moreno Torres
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 20 Jan 1833
Baptism/Christening Place: San Isidro De Ocampo, Guanajuato, Mexico
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Martin Moreno
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Calistra Torres
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Paternal Grandfather's Name:
Paternal Grandmother's Name:
Maternal Grandfather's Name:
Maternal Grandmother's name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60682-1
System Origin: Mexico-EASy
Source Film Number: 646894
Reference Number: 2:20VK6WP
Collection: Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> From: siriuslr@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 18:52:41 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado
>
>
> tal vez luego se cambiaron de guanajuato a Jalisco porque seguían

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Aqui esta tu Apolonia,

Name: Maria Apolonia Moreno Torres
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 26 Feb 1826
Baptism/Christening Place: SAN FELIPE,GUANAJUATO,MEXICO
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Martin Moreno
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Maria Torres
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Paternal Grandfather's Name:
Paternal Grandmother's Name:
Maternal Grandfather's Name:
Maternal Grandmother's name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60891-1
System Origin: Mexico-ODM
Source Film Number: 644380
Reference Number:
Collection: Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> From: siriuslr@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 18:52:41 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado
>
>
> tal vez luego se cambiaron de guanajuato a Jalisco porque seguían teniendo hijos.. basta con ver en la dirección que te mando todos los hijos.. Jose Emiliana

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MarIa :

Maria Calistra o Calixta y Martin Moreno tuvieron a Jose mateo 2 oct 1830, a Rafael 31 oct 1835, a Jose Lucas 25 oct 1828 a Jose de Jesus 20 jan 1833 ya Apolonia en guanajuato batch C606821 San felipe Guanajuato no sé si mpas hijos hay una calistra hija de Maria antonia Torres por 1806 pero nada confirmado tienes que ver los registrod de nac. para ver abuelos..

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María todavía no se me olvida que te debo una transcripción..he tenido un millón de cosas que hacer...y eso me requiere tiempo.. saludosa
Pilar y Paula se casaron el 29 jan de 1865 en San Felipe Guanajuato M608937 film 0644417 saludos Lety

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Name
Maria Micaela Ortiz Torres

Gender
Female

Christening date
10 May 1874

Christening place
SAN JUAN BAUTISTA,OCAMPO,GUANAJUATO,MEXICO

Father name
Pilar Ortiz

Mother name
Paula Torres

Batch number
C60795-2

Record group
Mexico-ODM

Film number
708725

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Name
Jose Estanislao Ortiz Torres

Gender
Male

Christening date
17 Nov 1867

Christening place
SAN JUAN BAUTISTA,OCAMPO,GUANAJUATO,MEXICO

Father name
Pilar Ortiz

Mother name
Paula Torres

Batch number
C60795-1

Record group
Mexico-ODM

Film number
708724

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María Luciana Ortis

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Name
Jose Pilar Ortiz Moreno

Gender
Male

Christening date
16 Oct 1842

Christening place
San Isidro De Ocampo, Guanajuato, Mexico

Father name
Francisco Ortiz

Mother name
Apolonia Moreno

Batch number
C60682-1

Record group
Mexico-EASy

Film number
646894

Reference number
2:20VLJSX> From:

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From: siriuslr@hotmail.com
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: RE: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 18:28:41 -0500

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Name
Jose Pilar Ortiz Moreno

Gender
Male

Christening date
16 Oct 1842

Christening place
San Isidro De Ocampo, Guanajuato, Mexico

Father name
Francisco Ortiz

Mother name
Apolonia Moreno

Batch number
C60682-1

Record group
Mexico-EASy

Film number
646894

Reference number
2:20VLJSX> From:

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Buenos dias como estas....Sabe no te preocupes ya la pudimos traducier.....como has estado?

Oyes no dise en ninguno de los hijos quien es el abuelo. O sea busco al papa de Pilar Ortiz.

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of leticia reynoso
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:17 PM
To: s s
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado

María todavía no se me olvida que te debo una transcripción..he tenido un millón de cosas que hacer...y eso me requiere tiempo.. saludosa
Pilar y Paula se casaron el 29 jan de 1865 en San Felipe Guanajuato M608937 film 0644417 saludos Lety

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About this Collection

Name
Maria Micaela Ortiz Torres

Gender
Female

Christening date
10 May 1874

Christening place
SAN JUAN BAUTISTA,OCAMPO,GUANAJUATO,MEXICO

Father name
Pilar Ortiz

Mother name
Paula Torres

Batch number
C60795-2

Record group
Mexico-ODM

Film number
708725

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Maria Marquez of Mezquitic, Jalisco

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Hi everyone, my name is Ruben Marquez and I am currently researching my grandma. I am an amateur I assure you, I seriously cant find any information about her, her kids and where they where at at the turn of the 20th century. The only thing I have found was a birth/death certificate from my Uncle where it states her name and her first husbands name Jesus Montes. The bad part is that it only states 1924 and the birth place of Mezquital, Jalisco, Mexico. The information that I have is bellow. If anyone has found any information during your research and would like to share it would be deeply appreciated! Thanks

Ruben Marquez

El Morisco (a)

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Today I was researching my Lizarraga line, and I discovered an interesting entry for my paternal 4th Great Grandfather, Salvador de Lizarraga, married to Maria Rosa de Herrera Anzaldo, on 20 Oct 1748

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Published by Armando – Wed, 2010-09-01 21:30 | Permalink

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Hello Paul,

In this case El Morisco is the name of ranch. It isn't a classification.

Saludos, Armando

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:23 PM, wrote:

> Today I was researching my Lizarraga line, and I discovered an interesting
> entry for my paternal 4th Great Grandfather, Salvador de Lizarraga, married
> to Maria Rosa de Herrera Anzaldo, on 20 Oct 1748 in Ixtlán del Río, Nayarit.
> The matrimonio record includes the following: "...vecinos de los ranchos de
> esta jurisdicción
> El Morisca". In addition below my grandfather's name in the margin of the
> page is the entry, "El Morisco", or "Morisco".
> My Velázquez dictionary reads: Morisco: a. Moorish, belonging to the Moors.
> 1. Name given to the Moors who remained in Spain after its restoration. 2.
> (Mex.) Quadroon. (The "Quadroon" dictionary definition, of course, is an
> "hijo de blanco y mulata o de muluto y mujer blanca".
> I had never to date in my family research seen this racial designation. So
> I am wondering is it more

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Thank you, Armando. Can you direct me to literature that will tell me more
about this particular ranch? It sounds intriguing.

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Armando
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:20 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] El Morisco (a)

Hello Paul,

In this case El Morisco is the name of ranch. It isn't a classification.

Saludos, Armando

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:23 PM, wrote:

> Today I was researching my Lizarraga line, and I discovered an interesting
> entry for my paternal 4th Great Grandfather, Salvador de Lizarraga,
married
> to Maria Rosa de Herrera Anzaldo, on 20 Oct 1748 in Ixtlán del Río,
Nayarit.
> The matrimonio record includes the following: "...vecinos de los ranchos
de
> esta jurisdicción
> El Morisca". In addition below my grandfather's name in the margin of the
> page is the entry, "El Morisco", or

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Hello Paul, I don't have knowledge of the ranch I was going by what you told
us was on the marriage record and what is common on them. I did try and
search for it but I never found anything about it. Many ranches have changed
names over the years so that may be the reason.

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Paul J Gomez wrote:

> Thank you, Armando. Can you direct me to literature that will tell me more
> about this particular ranch? It sounds intriguing.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Armando
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:20 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] El Morisco (a)
>
> Hello Paul,
>
> In this case El Morisco is the name of ranch. It isn't a classification.
>
> Saludos, Armando
>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:23 PM, wrote:
>
> > Today I was researching my Lizarraga line, and I discovered an
> interesting
> > entry

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Gonzalez Rubio - De la Torre Ledesma

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Buenas a todos

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Published by Ramirez – Tue, 2010-08-31 07:15 | Permalink

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Hola Miguel, yo tengo a Gertrudis Efigenia de la Torre Ledezma, la hija de Juan de la Torre Ledezma y Mariana Casillas y Cabrera, nacida el 03 de mayo de 1699; casada con Francisco Casillas y Cabrera el 10 de abril de 1723 en Jalostotitlán. Él es hijo de Martín Casillas y Cabrera y Paula de Torres.

Y la Gertrudis Efigenia de la Torre Ledezma, hija de Clemente de la Torre Ledezma y Catalina Franco de la Cueva, nacida el 12 de diciembre de 1705 en Tepatitlán; casó en Tepatitlán el 30 de mayo de 1724 con Domingo González Rubio, hijo de Domingo González Rubio y Catalina Márquez de los Olivos.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

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Estimado Jorge, muchas gracias por esclarecerme el dilema, fue de mucha ayuda la información y ya puedo continuar con mi investigación, me gustaría ponerme en contacto contigo ya sea por facebook (aunque aún no me inscribo) o por teléfono para corroborar la información que tengo sobre antepasados de Tepatitlán.

Lic. Miguel González de Hermosillo Ramirez
Guadalajara, Jalisco, México.
Tel. 36424344

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Claro que si Miguel, con gusto, puede ser por facebook o por este mismo medio del e-mail. Es muy interesante el intercambio de información con otras personas, porque muchas veces se descubren nuevas cosas por otras personas.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

Gutierrada

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Hola Mike, los felicito por la reunion familiar, nunca pense que se juntaran tantos, 1500 personas es un record.
Ruben Casillas M.

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Published by Miguel_Gutierr… – Tue, 2010-08-31 22:45 | Permalink

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Ruben, gracias

Para las personas de Nuestros Ranchos.

La Reunion de "La Gutierrada" son los descendientes de Jose Sotero Gutierrez Perez nacido Abril 22, 1853 en Los Portales y Maria de Jesus Romo Perez nacida cerca de 1864 . Ellos vivieron en el rancho de "La Escondida", cercas de Jalos, Jalisco. Ellos fueron casados Octubre 27, 1880 en Jalos. Sus 11 hijos nacieron entre 1883 a 1911.

Esta fue la tercer reunion normalmente hecha en el primer o segundo Sabado de Agosto
.
La reunion fue en Aguascalientes en el rancho "El Chaparral" La reunion fue muy bien organizada por la familia del sexto hijo de Sotero (Enrique de San Buenaventura Gutierrez Romo) nota. Los descendientes de cada hijo se turnean a patrocinar la fiesta cada año.
Cada año parece mejorar el numero de personas. Este fue mi primer año y quede impresionado de ver cercas de 1500 personas, y todas parientes.
El amor de nuestra cultura por diversa y rica de historia es la razon que personas como tu y yo, y pienso que

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Mike, hay planes de una reunion "Casillas",la reunion sería en Tepatitlán, la ultima ves que se reunieron fué hace como 6 años, lograron juntarse como 800 personas, yo te comunico cuando sea la reunion.
saludos
Ruben Casillas M.

--- El mié 1-sep-10, Miggy GUTIERREZ escribió:

> De: Miggy GUTIERREZ
> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gutierrada
> A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Fecha: miércoles, 1 de septiembre de 2010, 0:30
> Ruben, gracias
>
> Para las personas de Nuestros Ranchos.
>
> La Reunion de "La Gutierrada" son los descendientes de Jose
> Sotero Gutierrez Perez nacido Abril 22, 1853 en Los Portales
> y Maria de Jesus Romo Perez nacida cerca de 1864 . 
> Ellos vivieron en el rancho de "La Escondida", cercas de
> Jalos, Jalisco. Ellos fueron casados Octubre 27, 1880 en
> Jalos.  Sus 11 hijos nacieron entre 1883 a 1911.
>
> Esta fue la tercer reunion normalmente hecha en el primer o
> segundo Sabado de Agosto
> .
> La reunion fue en Aguascalientes en el rancho "El
>

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Feligrecía de Villita

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Has anyone heard of this place - Feligresía de Villita? (Ags marriage
record dated 1874, birthplace of spouse). From context I presume it
was in Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, or Jalisco.

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Published by migueltran – Wed, 2010-09-01 05:55 | Permalink

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(sorry for my poor english)

Since the 19th century to mid 20th century La Villa de Nuestra Senora de la Encarnacion, now called City of Encarnacion de Diaz, was popularly named La Villita, nickname changed to "La Chona" used today.

Encarnacion de Diaz, is located about 40 km (25 milles) south of Aguascalientes, centered between San Juan de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno and Aguascalientes

This "Villita" has been parish, since 1778, therefore has had own parishioners
"feligresía". I Think the others "Villitas" belong, or are part of other parishioners, don`t have a own.

Miguel Beltran

Published by mendezdetorres – Tue, 2010-08-31 22:30 | Permalink

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There is a villita en the jursidicton between Calvillo, Ags and
Tabasco, Zac all pueblos close to each other, thats the famous
Villita. The other villitas I havent heard of much.

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:49:40 -0600
> From: stuartarms@gmail.com
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Feligrecía de Villita
>
> Has anyone heard of this place - Feligresía de Villita? (Ags marriage
> record dated 1874, birthplace of spouse). From context I presume it
> was in Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, or Jalisco. And perhaps it could be
> intended to mean "Feligresía de la Villa de Aguascalientes", but
> that's a bit of a stretch. I found numerous Villitas in Ags, Zac, and
> Jalisco but most of them were ranchos or other small entities and I
> can't decide which of them, if any, may be part of a parish or
> feligresía of the same name.
> Incidentally, the record in question refers to persons who also lived
> in Letras, so I

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Strategy

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Group Help on Methodology Required,
I need to know the correct methodology because for the first time I'm researching surnames that are plentiful:  Sepulveda and Morales.  And to complicate thing

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Published by alicebb – Mon, 2010-08-30 23:00 | Permalink

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I failed to mention this other good suspect and why I think his full name could have been Joseph Gregorio:
 a Josef Gregorio Sepulbeda and Manuela Morales had two children in 1774 and 1776 in Texmelucan, Puebla.  I checked the batch number there, and they are the only Sepubeda's that come up.  Thanks again,  Alice

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Raquel Ruiz wrote:

From: Raquel Ruiz
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Strategy
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 3:14 AM

A quick look at the batch numbers for Hidalgo during the period in question
does not show any other Sepulvedas (Morales, yes, but not Ma Manuela), but
I'm not clear if I'm looking at records for Indios or Castas, as they seem
to be distinct records.  I think it would be worth taking a look at the
"Informacion Matrimonial" records, not just the matrimonial ones, to search
for more information.  Do you know whether they would have been classifies
as Indios or Castas?
Good luck.

Published by RaquelRuiz – Tue, 2010-08-31 19:00 | Permalink

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I don't know if an index exists for "informacion matrimonial" films. Maybe
someone else does? I'm surprised that the mg film does not indicate where
she or her parents originated. If you are stuck, you may want to request
the one for that period and take a look, just in case there is something
there. Remember to look at the period before the mg occurred. I haven't
successfully accessed one but you may have more luck.

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Published by alicebb – Tue, 2010-08-31 22:30 | Permalink

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Thanks, Raquel.  I've found what I needed--the Family History Library Catalog and an informaciones matrimonial film for 1792-1794 Dolores Hidalgo, GTO.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Ma Luisa's father is referred to as Joseph Gregorio Sepulbeda.  Thanks again,  Alice 

--- On Wed, 9/1/10, Raquel Ruiz wrote:

From: Raquel Ruiz
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Strategy
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 1:56 AM

I don't know if an index exists for "informacion matrimonial" films.  Maybe
someone else does?  I'm surprised that the mg film does not indicate where
she or her parents originated.  If you are stuck, you may want to request
the one for that period and take a look, just in case there is something
there.  Remember to look at the period before the mg occurred. I haven't
successfully accessed one but you may have more luck.

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Hello Raquel,
The marriage entry of the daughter Maria Luisa Sepulbeda indicates she's an espanola and the groom, Juan Fermin Santelices, is an espanol from Santander, Spain.  So, I can only guess that her parents were espanoles.  
There's a Ma Manuela Morales married Joseph Sepulveda
            12/07/1774 Snta Barbara, Snta Barbara,Chihuahua
It's tempting, because the time is right, and his full name could have been Joseph Gregorio Sepulveda.  But that marriage entry says Joseph Sepulbeda and there is no "informacion matrimonial" listed for that time period.  So again, only speculation. 
 
Where can I find an index to check if "informacion matrimonial" exists for the daughter, Ma Luisa's, marriage for 1793 Dolores Hidalgo, GTO?  Maybe there her father is entered as Joseph or Joseph Gregorio.
That's the only thing I can come up with at this time.   Thanks again for your help,   Alice

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Raquel Ruiz wrote:

From: Raquel Ruiz
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]

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Published by RaquelRuiz – Tue, 2010-08-17 19:30 | Permalink

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Alice, I am unclear as whether you have looked at the film to see the mg
data. Names are too similar and too often repeated within families to make
any assumptions. But the entry may tell you where each was from and
sometimes notes the ages of the marrying individuals. I would begin there.

Published by alicebb – Thu, 2010-08-26 09:00 | Permalink

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Raquel,
You're right about too many exact names at the same time. 
The other problem is that the same names are not used consistently.
My 5grandmother Ma Luisa Sepulbeda's marriage entry of 02/27/1793, Hidalgo, GTO, names her parents as Gregorio Sepulbeda and Maria Manuela Morales.
I can't find her parents' marriage entry under those exact names, and I can't find Ma Luisa's baptismal entry to check for another name variation for Gregorio.  So if I start searching the Juan, Jose, or Manuel Gregorio Sepulbeda's, how will I if I've got the right one?
What strategy would you advise?   Thanks for your help,   Alice
 

--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Raquel Ruiz wrote:

From: Raquel Ruiz
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Strategy
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 2:22 AM

Alice, I am unclear as whether you have looked at the film to see the mg
data.  Names are too similar and too often repeated within families to make
any assumptions.  But the entry may tell you

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A quick look at the batch numbers for Hidalgo during the period in question
does not show any other Sepulvedas (Morales, yes, but not Ma Manuela), but
I'm not clear if I'm looking at records for Indios or Castas, as they seem
to be distinct records. I think it would be worth taking a look at the
"Informacion Matrimonial" records, not just the matrimonial ones, to search
for more information. Do you know whether they would have been classifies
as Indios or Castas?
Good luck.

Haciendas of Zacatecas

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Off the top of my head, I am looking for the parents of my ggggrandmother,
Urzina Hernandez.

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Published by mendezdetorres – Tue, 2010-08-24 22:00 | Permalink

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Hi Christopher, what areas of Zacatecas are we dealing with here?
My family los Perez de Camino owned about 7 haciendas in Zacatecas, mostly
the northern part, according to research Im getting through now. Though
they did not reside there, they mostly lived in Mexico city. This was in
the 1700s and early 1800s for these haciendas. They held lands n Puebla,
Mexico City, Jalisco, Aguascalientes, San Luis Potosi and Guanajuato.

Daniel Mendez de Camino

> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:13:22 -0700
> From: mound_oxley@yahoo.com
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Haciendas of Zacatecas
>
> Off the top of my head, I am looking for the parents of my ggggrandmother,
> Urzina Hernandez. She was probably born in the 1830's or 1840's as she is the
> second wife of Cayetano Borjon who was born in abt 1825. I am related to the
> following families from this area: Borjons, Rincons, de Leons, Guererros, Ricos,
> Montellanos, Betancourts, Arias',Mesas,Lunas

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I just checked our records and it appears my family did own
El Maguey, one of the many haciendas owned in Zacatecas.
I believe we then sold it to los Sanchez de Tagle, close relatives
of ours. I never got to know how they acquired all this land but
I figure the marriages were key. Manuel Silvestre PErez de Camino,
was Governor of Nueva Vizcaya, he had land in Northern MExico,
Puebla, Guanajuato and Mexico City, Zacatecas
Chihuahua, other parts, he married Josepha de Arguelles y Miranda
sole heir to the mayorazgo of her father Juan de Arguelles he held
many lands in Queretaro, San Luis Potosi some in Mexico City. He had married
Antonia Sanchez de Tagle who was given land for her dowry and had also
purchased and inherited some land when her parents died, Marqueses
de Altamira. Also Manuel Silvestre Perez de Camino was given many mercedes
by the king and viceroy for his service. He was later given land in Puebla
he later purchased several haciendas in Jalisco. He owned an extensive

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Daniel

Thanks for sending that Saldivar report. I will let you know what I find, once I get in touch with my aunt.

As for Camino or Perez del Camino, how are these the same? Where/when did they drop the Perez part of del Camino if they are the same families?

We know they didn't own La Hacienda de La Luz and surrounding Haciendas right? One of my aunts still have "escrituras" where it says the original owner of her home was (wich is one part of La Hacienda when they split it up) Manuel Escobedo. This was confirmed by the current owner(owns La Casa Grande part)

If recall correctly, I think he said they sold it to "Diaz de Leon" family in the early 1900's. A few years back one of their descendants came down to see if he could purchase the whole Hacienda or at least "La Casa Grande"...obviously they refused.

The family there now bought the whole Hacienda after the Diaz de Leon had to leave for almost nothing, but made sure their most important people had a place to stay. My

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Yes! They are the same, Perez de Camino and Camino, apprarently the history of the family is
very interesting. I can send the stuff I have on them. But we come from Manuel Silvestre Perez
de Camino who married into the House of Altamira. These early Caminos didnt really have a
"home", per se they did live in Mexico City in the 1700s but they had haciendas everywhere.
Their estates ranged from Queretaro, Mexico, Puebla, Jalisco, Guanajuato, Zacatecas,
Chihuahua, Nuevo Leon. Several books, articles and reports have been published on
don Manuel Silvestre, its funny Manuel is totally a family name that repeats almost every generation.
Im surprised no one has really wrote an extensive book on the mayorazgo of the Caminos, I know
this topic always sparks the Rincon Gallardo and their massive estate but the Camino also had a huge one.
He was a caballero de la Orden de Santiago, Governor of la Nueva Vizcaya, Royal Tresurer of New Spain,
he did had a coat of arms and did have a "probanza de

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I think that is one other thing you promised to send about the Camino history. Please send it as soon as you can. I've seen alot of Perez del Camino in my searches than just Camino...can you also send me where we dropped off Perez?

What are the Diaz de Leon linked to all of Ranchos? Through the Garcias?

I don't know how many times I'm a Camino, but my parents are both Caminos how can I tell? I'm still new to this Daniel...lol.

Victor Renteria

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Oh thats right we also connect on our Garcia de Leon sides they our Garcia descended from the Diaz de Leon, several times.
Perez, not all dropped it but members of the family started to drop it around the time of the independence. Some
used interchangeably Perez de Camino, Camino, Perez Camino, there were other Caminos, not sure if related but
there were Rodriguez Camino and Gonzalez Camino in the 1700s so who knows maybe down the line. Those names
were compounded so. Hmmm...I dont have to much time to gather all the Camino stuff, Id have to do piece by piece
at a time, even im still gathering stuff together. So I cant make promises as to the date Id send EVERYTHING in copy.
I think your Camino three times and your kids are like Camino 5 times, ha ha.

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:36:03 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Perez del Camino
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I have found that a lot of the tesoreros were conversos or descendent of conversos. Do you have any info on whether the perez del camino were descendents of conversos?
I have found other members of my family that were in the order of Santiago that had a great grandparent that was of Jewish origin (Ha Levi family)so that so you called de familias Cristianos viejos and be 1-8 jewish.
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I have only gone back to about 1475 with the conquistadores on my direct line so I
would not know. They did have two sets of coat of arms. They came from Cantabria
and Asturias. I actually believe they are of italian descent prior to coming to spain
at least thats what my research is pointing towards. don Manuel Silvestre en his probanza
de nobleza list up to four generations of his family tree he was born 1697 so it took me
back to 1600 which was of big help. He was peninsular and became the governor of nueva vizacaya
in 1739. So these guys were constantly moving because of his jobs and haciendas. His gradkids
(my line) eventually settled near Pinos and Fresnillo eventuALLY MAKING THEIR WAY TO
aGUASCALIENTES.

Daniel Mendez de Camino

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> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:48:19 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Perez del Camino
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> I have found that a lot of the tesoreros were conversos or descendent of conversos. Do

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Just posted: 1679 - Padron del Partido de Jalostotitlan, mas Siete Pueblos de Naturales

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Hi all -

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I just uploaded the 1679 Padrón de Jalos to my Hotmail Skydrive. See link below:

Acabo de subir el Padrón de Jalostotitlan de 1679. Ver link de abajo. Con el tiempo subire mas padrones de Jalos.

Padrón de Jalos de 1679

Sergio Gutierrez

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I have actual pictures of the Jalos 1679 Padrón that I took while I was visiting the Guadalajara Arzobispado a few weeks ago. If you're interested please email me.

I also have other Padrones from 1650, 1670, 1672, 1679....al the way to 1846. Someday I will eventually upload them for all of nuestros ranchos to see. The files will be pdf but they are fairly large. I will need special permission to upload from the moderators.

Sergio Gutierrez

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Thanks Claudia, now if there was a census for 1920's Jalisco, I would be exuberant! Can't trace my genealogy line further than that!

But thank you again.

Ruben

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Hello Claudia,
Thanks for the census entry.  I'm sure many will find it useful, at the very least an interesting window into the past.
You're right about that's the way it was.  Still, I can't help but cringe when I realize how prevelant it was.   Recently I came across a defuncto entry where the priest entered "dominga, mi esclava".   I had no idea priests had slaves.  I saw many criada/o entries, so don't know why he didn't choose that route.   Thanks again,  Alice

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Just posted: 1679 - Padron del Partido de Jalostotitlan, mas Siete Pueblos de Naturales
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 6:28 AM

Hi all -

I have adding the census taken in 1679 in Jalostotitlan & San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco. It also contains records for families living in seven other pueblos in the surrounding area, most notable for their indigenous population

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To Linda - Geneanet. org

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The website address is www.Geneall.net.

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Hi Pat:

I went to the Geneanet.org just to check it out. I tried the tab labeled
"origin of surname" I did a search for "Gonzalez"and it returned: "no
returns for your search".
I was surprised since Gonzalez is one the most popular Spanish surnames. I
was not trying to find out if there were any Gonzalez's in their database.
I was hoping to find the ORIGIN of the name, which I have already found in
more than one website.

I also visited the www.Genall.net page and you are right, there are a lot of
Gonzalez listed, but I couldn't find "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" This is in a
database that has 9990 surnames! Could be my eyesight.

Thank you Pat, I might go back to that site and check out some of its other
features.

John Gonzalez

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> The website address is www.Geneall.net. I have used this website for
> years when

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Hi John,

You're very welcome...
Pat
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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:02:38 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Feedback

To: Pat Corbera:

Hi Pat:

I went to the Geneanet.org just to check it out. I tried the tab labeled
"origin of surname" I did a search for "Gonzalez"and it returned: "no
returns for your search".
I was surprised since Gonzalez is one the most popular Spanish surnames. I
was not trying to find out if there were any Gonzalez's in their database.
I was hoping to find the ORIGIN of the name, which I have already found in
more than one website.

I also visited the www.Genall.net page and you are right, there are a lot of
Gonzalez listed, but I couldn't find "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" This is in a
database that has 9990 surnames! Could be my eyesight.

Thank you Pat, I might go back to that site and check out some of its other
features.

John Gonzalez

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The website that I mentioned (www.geneall.net) in my previous posting was another source site that may be helpful to those individuals that have linked their ancestry to other countries.

I personally have not used Geneanet.org, but will check it out. Thank you for sharing...

Pat Silva Corbera
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To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:55:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] To Linda - Re: Geneanet. org

The website address is www.Geneall.net. I have used this website for years when researching my Portuguese ancestry.

Once on the main page of Geneall I selected Espanol, by clicking on Base de Dados, on the left hand side of the page, one will find a listing of all the names that appear.

I tried searching for the Gonzalez surname that John mentioned and I came up with hundreds of individuals with Gonzalez surnames.

Pat Silva Corbera

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Surname: GONZALEZ - Place: ZacatecasOnline Family TreeCollaborative Data46 resultsArchiveOriginal Records & Transcripts hosted by GeneaNetNo results found!LibraryDigitized Books, Magazines and

Geneanet. org

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This looks like an ad:

On Aug 23, 2010, at 5:10 PM, research-
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I am absolutely NOT posting an ad. I was merely posting an inquiry to my fellow genealogists as to the validity of this site.

As I mentioned before, I stumbled across it by accident and thought it was too good to be true. It seemed extremely easy (too easy), yet beneficial. Being the skeptic that I am, I was hoping to gain some feedback from anyone that might have used the site before offering any of my own research.

Esther Reynoso Valencia
facebook.com/esther.r.valencia

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Linda, Esther has been a member for 7 years 10 weeks. It is not an ad. If
all of the NuetrosRanchos members had their tree on that site a lot of
people's missing info could be found much easier. I have mentioned the site
before and it is my preferred. I use Ancestry, Myheritage, rootsweb, and
Genoom. Nothing is better than Geneanet in my opinion.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Linda wrote:

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>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:52 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: esther1998@yahoo.com
>>
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] GeneaNet.org
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>> I just stumbled across this website while doing some research. Has anyone
>> else used it before?
>>
>> It was a simple

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I use Ancestry, WorldConnect (rootsweb), and a couple of others, but I haven't tried Geneanet. Some of my relatives are switching to MyHeritage from Ancestry and swear by that.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:41:10 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Geneanet. org
>
> Linda, Esther has been a member for 7 years 10 weeks. It is not an ad. If
> all of the NuetrosRanchos members had their tree on that site a lot of
> people's missing info could be found much easier. I have mentioned the site
> before and it is my preferred. I use Ancestry, Myheritage, rootsweb, and
> Genoom. Nothing is better than Geneanet in my opinion.
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Linda wrote:
>
> > This looks like an ad:
> >
> >
> > On Aug 23, 2010, at 5:10 PM, research-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.orgwrote:
> >
> > Message: 1
> >> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:52 -0700 (PDT)
> >> From: esther1998@yahoo.com
> >>
> >>

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I am currently using the MyHeritage software, but have not upgraded to the premium on-line service. I enjoy the fact that it automatically searches other users of the software for matches. I have actually found others with the same family lines. This part is nice, since you can take a "sneak peak" at the other tree, then make contact with the owner to confirm any data. The only down fall I am seeing is that many of the individuals that are using the software don't seem to be serious genealogists.

I still regularly upload my family tree updates to Ancestry.com and continue to receive inquiries from others through this route.

Esther Reynoso Valencia
facebook.com/esther.r.valencia

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Esther,

I no longer share my trees with Ancestry and MyHeritage because, as you said, too many people are not serious genealogists, don't view microfilms, etc. all they do is copy over other people's trees when only the name and region might be the same, but it is definitely not their ancestors. Instant family trees, I call that. I made one of my trees "private" on Ancestry after I found that someone "stole" my grandfather and all his ancestors. I tried to contact that person, and they did not respond. She has a cousin who does have the right ancestor.

I still get inquiries even from my "private" trees, since people can use the Ancestry "contact the owner of this tree" feature. Usually I find that we have common ancestors eight generations back.

I have been doing some of the research from my resources (transciptions I have done) for my cousins who normally just depend on what they find online, though I have to say that some of them do come up with info I haven't found such

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Well, said. I, too, have encountered similar problems. When I have
contacted a Family Tree "owner", I have discovered too many times that no
sourcing has occurred; and by admission of the "owner" is a copy of
someone's non-sourced family tree. It is discouraging, so much so that I am
reluctant to share my trees on-line.

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To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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Esther,

I no longer share my trees with Ancestry and MyHeritage because, as you
said, too many people are not serious genealogists, don't view microfilms,
etc. all they do is copy over other people's trees when only the name and
region might be the same, but it is definitely not their ancestors. Instant
family trees, I call that. I made one of my trees "private" on Ancestry

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How long have you been using this site? Another member of Nuestros contacted me privately and informed me that one of the main contributors (via other genealogists) is a professor at UNAM, Professor Javier Sanchiz.

If this is as great as it's beginning to sound, I would have to agree with you......if we all submitted our work, we would cut our work in half! I have spent over 10 years compiling data only to find out that someone else was busily compiling the same information!

Thanks for your input, Armando. I am beginning to feel a little less skeptical.

Esther Reynoso Valencia
facebook.com/esther.r.valencia

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I have only been here 1yr 19wks. Javier Sanchiz had begun his research on
Veracruz and it started to encompass other areas of Mexico. Therefore
whatever he has that includes our area ties into people or surnames of the
area of his study. His UNAM page can be found at One of the reasons I
like Geneanet so much is the popularity of it worldwide. I have found trees
from Spain and Mexico that aren't found on other sites. At the same time I
have found some trees on other sites not found on Geneanet. Using all free
sites would actually be the best way for all of us to help each other out.
Especially since all that has to be done is sign up and import and export
ged files.

Link to genealogy page of Javier Sanchiz -
http://gw5.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=sanchiz
Link to UNAM page of Javier Sanchiz -
http://www.iih.unam.mx/instituto/colonial/curricol/jsanchiz.html

Armando

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> How long have you been using this site? Another member of Nuestros
>

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I went to the website just for a quick check and tried to look up, under
origins of surnames, "Gonzalez"' and it came back with " no data
available"
Gonzalez, one of the most popular Spanish surnames and they don't have any
data???

I don't believe I'll be using this website.

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To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 05:58
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Geneanet. org

> This looks like an ad:
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2010, at 5:10 PM, research- request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> wrote:
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:52 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: esther1998@yahoo.com
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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>> I just stumbled across this website while doing some research. Has
>> anyone else used it before?
>>
>> It was a simple process of

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John, that is because the source is : An etymological dictionary of family
and Christian names - By William Arthur - 1857. I did a search of Gonzalez
in Jalisco and there were 224 matches.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:17 AM, John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@verizon.net> wrote:

> Feedback:
>
> I went to the website just for a quick check and tried to look up, under
> origins of surnames, "Gonzalez"' and it came back with " no data
> available"
> Gonzalez, one of the most popular Spanish surnames and they don't have any
> data???
>
> I don't believe I'll be using this website.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 05:58
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Geneanet. org
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>> On Aug 23, 2010, at 5:10 PM, research- request@lists.nuestrosranchos.orgwrote:
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>>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:02:52 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: esther1998@yahoo.com
>>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos

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