Aguien sabe el nombre del Notario o escribano publico que pudo llevar los testamentos del area de Tlaltenango por el año de 1649? Y si alguien ya tuvo esa experiencia de la busqueda de testamentos me gustaria saber por donde buscar.
I have relocated to the Baja ( México). My computer is in transit & also I do not have Internet service yet. When I get up & running, you will get my doc's. Thanx
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un cordial saludo a todos los lectores
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alguna novedad o noticias sobre las documentaciones donde
se acredita que Petronila Moctezuma esposa de martin gabay navarro
es descendiente del emperador moctezua?
agradezco la atención prestada
saludos
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Hello, could someone tell me where "La Joya" is located? I believe I found a document from a relative that states he is from La Joya, Mexico. I found a census showing a person with the same name and age circa in Jalisco. Is there a 'La Joya" in Jalisco, and if so, what town would I search for his birth records? Thank you
Now I need some help with Información matrimonial. I found a record in FamilySearch for Placido Xavier and Maria Antonia Bernardina De Los Reyes with a marriage date of 4 May 1757 in El Sagragrio. I have looked at all of the records for the month of May 1757 and I cannot see anything.
I will admit that I am a little confused by the different types of documents that I am seeing, so I am asking for help. I have looked at pages 178 - 239. I had the same problem with baptismal certificates until someone explained them, so now I need help with marriages.
Very helpful thanks!!
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I refer to these from time to time when I don't quite get the words. Hope it
helps you and anyone else.
https://script.byu.edu/Pages/Spanish/es/givennameabbr.aspx
https://script.byu.edu/Pages/Spanish/es/abbrAtoE.aspx
https://script.byu.edu/Pages/Spanish/es/surnameabbr.aspx They have proved
very valuable to me.
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My 7th Generation Great Grandparents are:
Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709) and Maria De La Candelaria Angon (1655 - 1735)
First pic is the defunto of Maria De La Candelaria Angon (year 1735):
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2zqwnlx.jpg
Second pic is defunto of Anna Delgado (year 1736)who I am wondering if she was another women of his???:
http://oi57.tinypic.com/jfg3s9.jpg
Both say they are the mujer of "Antonio Madera" and of Minillas.
But my line is from Antonio Madera/Maria De La Candelaria Angon
Third Pic Is the marriage record of Manuela Madera the daughter of Antonio Madera/Maria De La Candelaria Angon. Which is dated 3/2/1709. And it clearly gives reference that "Antonio Madera defunto" he was already deceased when his daughter Manuela Madera got married.
http://oi61.tinypic.com/16i6pfn.jpg
But the brother of Manuela Madera, Joseph Madera (1686 - 1734) is my 6th Generation Great Grandfather:
first I what to say Iam new to the group and I want to say thank you for inviting me to be part of something special. My question is are there any records from 1913- 1917 from jalpa zacatecas, mexico I have seen 1912 and 1918 but not in between thank you.
And, as usual, I forgot to include the link to my folder.
I uploaded 4 files today for the Surez paternal great grandparents.
In the process of finalizing these charts, I discovered an interesting problem. All of the baptismal certificates of the children of Jose Luis Suarez list their paternal grandparents as Marcelo Suarez and Marcela Sanches. I could only find 1 record for a child of these parents - Jose Santiago Suarez born 25 julio 1814 and baptized 18 julio at El Sagrario. But I did find records for 4 other children, including Jose Norato, that list the mother as Marcela Sanches but give the name of the father as Marcelo Placido. Of course there are no records further back for either Marcelo Suares or Marcelo Placido. Some of the Placido baptimal certificates list his father as unknown, 1 as Jose Placido difunto and several as Xavier Placido. All of them list the paternal grandmother as Maria Antonia Reyes. The record for the grandson Jose Santiago Suarez, lists his paternal grandfather's name as Jose Maria Garcia - but I am convinced that this is the same family, because it gives the same name for his maternal grandparents.
Anyway, any suggestions are appreciated. I am guessing it is too much to hope that anyone is familiar with this family.
Oh, a padrino at the baptism of Jose Santiago is Tomas Placido. When I look at records for his children, they all show paternal grandparents as Xavier Placido and Maria Antonia Reyes. Apparently Tomas and Marcelo were brothers.
While we've made good progress in other lines, we continue to get stuck with the line through Purisima del Rincon. Unfortunately, they didn't include paternal/maternal abuleos in the baptism records. There are lots of abbreviations in Atanasio's baptism record that we're curious about, particularly if the "YeO" is referencing a location or perhaps an indicator that he's "Indio". It seems to be used on some other records in the same volume. We have found 2 siblings, and one has the same abbreviation on his record. Any insight is appreciated.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20545-11939-84?cc=1860831…
(left, 3rd from bottom - Atanasio)
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I have not had success in finding baptism certificates in El Sagrario for
the years 1807-1812. When I do a general search in FamilySearch, I find 2
children listed for Pablo Hernandes and Cerbula Canedo, which indicates to
me that certificates exist. But when I look in this link I cannot find the
certificates.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11003-70001-34?cc=1502404&…
This is the period when certificates were in different books depending on
whether you were "espanol" or "indio". I believe that the certificates
would be found in the "castas" book, because all other certificates for
this family were indio.
The 2 specific certificates I am looking for are for Jose Susano Hernandes,
baptized 3 June 1808 and Maria Yrinea Hernandes, baptized 18 April 1810.
The link that took me to this information was:
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurnam…~
The certificates for this time period are very difficult to read because of
the handwriting, but I have looked and looked. Maybe I am just missing
them, but I am frustrated. Any help or suggestions will be greatly
appreciated.
Daniel
Does anyone know of any archives that contains information of Correo Maritomo?
There is some in the PARS website. But that topic is new to me as I ran across it by chance when I browsed archives in the PARS website.
I think it has to do with transporation of mail from Spain to the colonies and the mainland in Mexico. I wonder if there is some kind of registry or archive of that and the routes or how or where the mail was distributed in Zacatecas, Jalisco, Aguascalientes.
Born in Zapotlan el Grande 1747 to parents Juan Jose Dias and Gertrudis Reyes
In relation to genealogy we are trying to fill out the details of why he assumed his mother's last name, thus creating generations of Reyes descendants rather than Dias descendants.
We are also interested in learning his parents second surname....assuming Dias was his father's surname, what was his mother's line? Ditto with Reyes' mother's other surname.
In some of the records he is listed as Mexican, in others as Mestizo, and in the 1790 Census he is listed as Mulatto. Any information on his parents, grandparents heritage might be helpful in clarifying this (although we recognize he could easily be all three -- born in Mexico of Native and Nego parents would make him Mexican, Mestizo and Mulatto.
We have Reyes genealogy going forward forward and it will be posted here in response to any specific queries. But it becomes a large family very quickly and our plan is to post a link to the genealogy page being developed on the La Senora website as soon as the formats and our new website are live this summer. His grandson, Ysidro Reyes was the co-grantee, with Francisco Marquez, of the 1839 Mexican Land Grant Rancho Boca de Santa Monica (on a part of which La Senora Research Institute is located.)
This next part is not genealogical....and I'll also place it over in general/non genealogical research, but it's posted here just in case someone helping with genealogy stumbles across the 1768-1772 info on Reyes. Here's what we know:
Juan Francisco Reyes left Zapotlan el Grande in 1768-9 to work in the ship yards of San Blas where the Spanish Exploration Party was preparing to depart. Apparently he left with them (unidentified by name and seen only as one of the 'four mexicans' who accompanied the party). Researchers at UCLA believe that he may not have been Catholic (hence not named as a soldier when he left Mexico) but since was improbable to be with Serra and not become Catholic, and he's found represented in later incarnations as a Soldado del Cuera, and his location (Carmel) is demonstrated when he turns up working at the Mission with Padre Serra (who signed Reyes Marriage Investigation,) they feel it's obvious he must have gone with the exploration parties. There was no other means transportation to Alta California at that time.
Born in Zapotlan el Grande 1747 to parents Juan Jose Dias and Gertrudis Marquez.
In relation to genealogy we are trying to fill out the details of why he assumed his mother's last name, thus creating generations of Reyes descendants rather than Dias descendants.
We are also interested in learning his parents second surname....assuming Dias was his father's surname, what was his mother's line? Ditto with Reyes' mother's other surname.
In some of the records he is listed as Mexican, in others as Mestizo, and in the 1790 Census he is listed as Mulatto. Any information on his parents, grandparents heritage might be helpful in clarifying this (although we recognize he could easily be all three -- born in Mexico of Native and Nego parents would make him Mexican, Mestizo and Mulatto.
We have Reyes genealogy going forward forward and it will be posted here in response to any specific queries. But it becomes a large family very quickly and our plan is to post a link to the genealogy page being developed on the La Senora website as soon as the formats and our new website are live this summer. His grandson, Ysidro Reyes was the co-grantee, with Francisco Marquez, of the 1839 Mexican Land Grant Rancho Boca de Santa Monica (on a part of which La Senora Research Institute is located.)
This next part is not genealogical....and I'll also place it over in general/non genealogical research, but it's posted here just in case someone helping with genealogy stumbles across the 1768-1772 info on Reyes. Here's what we know:
Juan Francisco Reyes left Zapotlan el Grande in 1768-9 to work in the ship yards of San Blas where the Spanish Exploration Party was preparing to depart. Apparently he left with them (unidentified by name and seen only as one of the 'four mexicans' who accompanied the party). Researchers at UCLA believe that he may not have been Catholic (hence not named as a soldier when he left Mexico) but since was improbable to be with Serra and not become Catholic, and he's found represented in later incarnations as a Soldado del Cuera, and his location (Carmel) is demonstrated when he turns up working at the Mission with Padre Serra (who signed Reyes Marriage Investigation,) they feel it's obvious he must have gone with the exploration parties. There was no other means transportation to Alta California at that time.
Looking to see if there is a George E. Mayorga in the Nuestros Ranchos group
(Already checked so I think not).
Or does anyone know either of a living George E. Mayorga that is into
genealogy for our area of research
Or does anyone know of a recently deceased (last 50-100 years) George E.
Mayorga from our area of research AND the people that have this person in
their genealogy
Reason: Family Tree showed a GeorgeEMayorga that made some additions to my
Rivas family and left no way for me to contact this person. So I'm trying to
find him/her/them.
Thanks for any help on this,
Joseph
Joseph Puentes
I found the baptismal record for Jose Susano in Bautiismos de Castas
1807-1812, Image #139, entry 63. This is in the Aguascalientes film
record of course. Other info: parents are Pablo de la Cruz Hernandez,
Cerbula Canedo; paternal grandparents are Simon Hernandez, Maria Ynes
Flores; maternal grandparents are Francisco Canedo, Paual Ceferina;
godmother is Felipa Hernandez. [My computer misspelled the name
Canedo.] The baptism took place in the town of Jesus Maria in the
parish of Aguas.
Maria Yrinea's record is on Image 380 in the same film as above. The
other info is the same. In this film the baptisms for Jesus Maria are
written after the ones for Aguas. Good luck with your searches.
David in Albany, CA
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Just a reminder that the SoCal chapter of the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society will be holding a meeting this Saturday, April 25th in Orange, California from 11 am until 2 pm. If you'd like an informational flyer (with the location and directions), please email us at nggssocal@nuevagalicia.org, and we'll send it to you.
Hope to see you there!
Rosalinda and Erika
I am looking at this video about the legend of giants in Tala, Jalisco, Mexico:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHHoib4KuVU
Says they were called "chinametin" and were 35 feet tall.
In the Tala Jalisco Government website it does talk about the legend of giants:
http://www.talajalisco.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=150:…
Teuchitlán was the ancient city of Tala dating back to 300 BC to 200 AD:
http://www.talajalisco.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=150:…
"Esta es una zona de civilización exclusiva de la zona Occidente de México, principalmente de Jalisco y se ubica en las faldas del volcán de Tequila. El desarrollo de la tradición Teuchitlán se dio en la época formativa tardía (300 a.C. hasta 200 d. C.). En Teuchitlán se encontraba la ciudad más importante, que contaba con ocho barrios distintos, de los cuales tres se ubicaban en la zona que hoy conocemos como Tala."
Teuchitlan is this ancient place that has circular shaped pyramids:
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2iafzgz.jpg
LEYENDA GIGANTES DE TALA
La leyenda de los gigantes que destruyeron por primera vez Tala, se recoge en la crónica del famoso Fray Antonio Tello, quien nos narra el paso de Nuño de Guzmán por el valle de Tala, hecho ocurrido después 1530.
El conquistador descubrió el valle de tlalla y no hallo ¨anima nacida¨ sino grandes ruinas de edificios caídos que según parece habían sido habitadas por poblaciones grandes.
Se manifestó que… dos veces se había despoblado, la primera por unos gigantes que por el sur y poniente habían venido, en número de 30, 27 varones y 3 hembras y que después se volvió a poblar de mucha gente de muchas naciones, pero 30 años atrás la ganaron, destruyeron y asolaron.
Eran comunes en la época, tanto en el Viejo Mundo con en la recién descubierta América, las leyendas y las historias de gigantes; la ignorancia, la superstición y la credulidad hacían que todo tipo de fantasías se consideraran verdaderas. Cuenta la leyenda:
Eran los tales gigantes tan glotones y haraganes, que tenían los de tala que amasar una fanega de maíz para cada uno de ellos; comían la carne de 4 niños diarios asados, ratas, venados y jabalíes, y en vez de verduras, cogoyos de enea. 6000 indios y indias les servían diariamente, que si no con sus armas que eran grandes bastones, hacían mortandad espantosa. Eran de color mulatado, poco cabello crespo y barba, con unas orejas de apalmo, eran muy torpes de andadura y muy dados al pecado nefando. Los pobladores fueron desapareciendo poco a poco, unos muertos por aquellos monstros, y otros porque vivían lejos con su familia, hasta que quedaron solos. Como eran araganes desfallecieron y empezaron a morir hasta no quedar sino cuatro, los cadáveres eran enterrados por los supervivientes y cubiertos con cal.
Como ya eran pocos, los de tala hicieron de tripas corazón y los hecharon encaminándolos rumbo a Ixtlan, y de allí tuvieron que irse a Atzemaxaque, donde los vecinos reunieron aliados hasta el numero de 20,000 y dieron muerte a tan terribles huéspedes.
Existen 2 teorías; La primera es que algunos historiadores creen ver en tal leyenda la invasión de los tarascos (decían que el enemigo era muy grande y por eso habían ganado la batalla). Chinametin, les decían los indios a los gigantes, así como ahora se dice para asustar a los niños “ahí viene el coco, esta misma continuo, con visos de certeza, en virtud de constantes hallazgos de restos fósiles en la región. La segunda teoría es que las personas confundieron los restos de mamut con restos humanos.
Continúo a través de los siglos y por ello se le cita históricamente como ¨Tala, tierra de gigantes¨
La segunda destrucción fue la de los tarascos en la denominada Guerra del Salitre, del año de 1500-1510, que destruyo Tala y Ahualulco.
Here is another link about a book:
https://books.google.com/books?id=OzUCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=chin…
I have not had success in finding baptism certificates in El Sagrario for the years 1807-1812. When I do a general search in FamilySearch, I find 2 children listed for Pablo Hernandes and Cerbula Canedo, which indicates to me that certificates exist. But when I look in this link I cannot find the certificates.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11003-70001-34?cc=1502404&…
This is the period when certificates were in different books depending on whether you were "espanol" or "indio". I believe that the certificates would be found in the "castas" book, because all other certificates for this family were indio.
The 2 specific certificates I am looking for are for Jose Susano Hernandes, baptized 3 June 1808 and Maria Yrinea Hernandes, baptized 18 April 1810. The link that took me to this information was:
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurnam…~
The certificates for this time period are very difficult to read because of the handwriting, but I have looked and looked. Maybe I am just missing them, but I am frustrated. Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Piggy-backing on the conversation about who's Latino, I was wondering what people mark for race on census and other forms. Until a few years ago, I marked "white," like the vast majority of non-black Latinos. But some friends got me to think about it, and I reached the conclusion (before DNA testing) that I, like most of us of Mexican ancestry, am more NA in culture than white (Spanish). My DNA testing only reinformed my belief, since I'm a B2.
I know very few Mexicans who mark NA, and I even checked the info on my students. Hasta los más morenos are identified as white.
Of course, one problem is that being called an "indio" is a big putdown, so I'm guessing most Mexicans won't be checking NA anytime soon.
Thoughts?
Laura Gonzalez
I came across this posting on the National Catholic Reporter web site and thought I would seek out the opinions of the Nuestros Ranchos members. The article was regarding the canonization of Junipero Serra.
Here is the comment:
kag1982 • 4 hours ago
First, in what sense of the word is Junipero Serra Latino. It seems to me a stretch to say that he is either a Latino or an American for that matter. Is the Vatican going to classify Cortes and PIzarro as a Latino American as well? Second, there are serious questions about Serra's record with the Native Americans that need to be addressed. Yes, he was probably nicer to the Native Americans than most other Spanish at the time. But the fact remains that he did treat them as little children and correct them as such and the Native Americans were forced onto the missions and used as slave labor. Those sorts of charges have to be answered.
So what do you all think was Junipero Serra, Latino or not.
Please delete this posting if it is considered to be in appropriate.
