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Me gustaría empezar el proceso de compartir las genealogías de varios "Alteños Ilustres", personas con ascendencia en Los Altos de Jalisco que son ilustres, culturalmente e históricamente relevantes, o famosos de alguna manera por sus contribuciones a la cultura de México y que enaltecen el carácter del pueblo alteño y su genealogía.

El tema de la tesis de mi Licenciatura en Historia fue sobre la Guerra Cristera de 1926 a 1929 y la manera en que Los Altos de Jalisco sobresalíó en la lucha contra las leyes anti-Catolicas de Plutarco Elías Calles, Presidente de México. Muchas personas levantaron sus voces y sus armas como defensores de la libertad religiosa--guerreros de la fe, muchos dando sus vidas como mártires, por lo cual la Iglesia Católica ha canonizado 27 santos mexicanos, algunos alteños, como Santo Toribio Romo González, San Anacleto González Flores, San Miguel Gómez Loza. También otros alteños y alteñas están en proceso de beatificación, como la Madre Luisita de la Peña Navarro, por ejemplo.

Otros fueron conocidos por sus proezas militares o su coraje legendario en la batalla, como lo fue Victoriano Ramírez López, alias “El Catorce”. Comenzaré esta serie de Alteños Ilustres con él porque tenemos un parentesco más o menos cercano...El Catorce y mi abuelo Agustín López Salcido eran primos segundos, y compartimos el apellido López de los Reyes. Hace poco publiqué aquí en Nuestros Ranchos un reporte genealógico de 5 generaciones. Aquí estoy el mismo reporte hasta 7 generaciones completo con notas y fuentes. Así pueden copiar los datos y ver como están emparentados.

Díganme si carezco algún dato o hay algún error. Tiene que haber alguna cosita por allí que me falte...alguna conexión de parentesco que ignore. Agradezco sus comentarios.

Más tarde publicaré los demás Alteños Ilustres de la serie, personas como Andrés Z. Barba Camarena, Vicente Fernández Gómez, José González González, Don Julio González Estrada, Pedro Moreno González, Guillermo González Camarena, Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla y Gallaga-Mandarte, y otros más.

Steven Francisco Hernández López
___________________________________________________

Ancestors of Victoriano Ramírez López, "El Catorce"

Generation No. 1

Oh my God! This is shocking? What is a "Morifco or "Morisco" As I am trying to look up that information since this is the first time to see that word classified on one of my relatives from the past in 1758. Here is part of the copy of the matrimonio of Lazaro Madera and Juana Micaela Perales in 1758 and I put an arrow over that word:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2ztaufb.jpg

OMG!

I found this document of defunto on how Lazaro Madera passed away caused by a strike from lightening. It's common in our village that people out on their ranches get hit by lightening. Even to this day!

http://oi62.tinypic.com/f1e3rp.jpg
source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-55458-54?cc=1874591&wc…

Who is Lazaro Madera? He is the father of Marcelo Madera (approx. 1774) who was listed as owner of Rancho De Los Maderas in a census of 1828 and here is the first page:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/vc4eu.jpg

To see complete list of census of Rancho De Los Maderas in 1828

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18452-80624-40?cc=1874591&wc…

Marcelo Madera and Juana Ramirez are the parents of Benito Madera.

Benito Madera and Maria Estanislao Munoz are the parents of Maria Clemencia Madera who is the wife of my great grandfather Calixto Madera

Following are several baptismal records for the Ramires and Caldera family members that you are searching.
Regards, J. Marentes

Following is the child of Josef de la Lus Ramirez and Apolinaia Ceballos. Note that Josef if referred to as "LUIS" --
Lus must have become Luis, but more than likely, was a mistake in his own baptismal record:

Name: Jose Visente Ramires Ceballos
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 17 Apr 1823
Christening Place: Jerez, Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Luis Ramires
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Apolinaria Ceballos
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Paternal Grandfather's Name: Pedro Jose Ramires
Paternal Grandmother's Name: Gertrudes Felix
Maternal Grandfather's Name: Deonicio Ceballos
Maternal Grandmother's Name: Agustina Medrano
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60080-7
System Origin: Mexico-EASy
GS Film number: 439850
Reference ID: 2:1X38L49
Citing this Record
"México, bautismos, 1560-1950," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/ND4B-855 :
accessed 08 Jun 2014), Jose Visente Ramires Ceballos, 17 Apr 1823; citing Zacatecas, Mexico,
reference 2:1X38L49; FHL microfilm 439850.

Jose Visente's actual baptismal record can be found at: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15280-3099-30?cc=1804458&wc=…

His padrinos were: Rafael Banuelos and Rosalia de Jurian(?)

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Joseph Antonio Caldera and Ana Benedicta Garcia had the following children. Note that Luciano's last name was spelled "Caldero":

Here is the actual baptismal for Joseph de la Lus Ramires Felix:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15048-27670-96?cc=1804458&wc…

and for his brother, Jose Elogio Ramirez Felix:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15052-3601-35?cc=1804458&wc=…

Best Regards,
Judith Marentes

It looks as though you're looking for the surname De la Lus Ramirez, but it
appears as though De La Lus is part of the first name, Jose de la Lus,
Ramirez looks like the surname.

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:07 PM,
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Muchisimas Gracias Randy for la information - te lo aprecio mucho!!! Tambien voya tratar de encontrar testamentos -- a ver si Juan tubo hermanos y tambien tratar de haber si los hijos de Juan de Soto --- si alguena parte menciona "Abuelos" o primos. 

Sinceramente, 
Carlos

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I found the defunto of the wife of my great great great great grandfather Francisco Madera. Her name is Maria Leocadia De Huizar, "Espanola" of Rancho Ximulco (Jimulco) She passed away in the year 1813 and she was 80 years old. Which then would mean she was born in 1733. Her husband Francisco Madera is the one that is from Rancho De Los Maderas but she is the one from Rancho Ximulco. See first pic. To prove to you she is the wife of Francisco Madera see second pic where Francisco Madera and Maria de Huizar had a son name Juan Venancio Madera, "Espanol" in Rancho De Los Maderas in 1762. Then third pic is where my great great great grandfather Juan Venancio (Benancio) Madera had his son Patricio Madera in Rancho Ximulco in 1792.

This is great because now I can go back to the year when she was born in 1733 and look for her baptism record there. I am still trying to find the document when Francisco Madera passed away.

First Pic:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2vv0r2v.jpg

Second Pic:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/i6kvar.jpg

Third Pic:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2j2wd5i.jpg

And the defunto of the sister of Patricio Madera by the name of "Dona Francisca Maderas, "Espanola" Rancho Ximulco who passed away at age 23 in 1808:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2304yf.jpg

And here is the census of the year 1830 of Rancho Ximulco where it lists Patricio Madera at age 39. His wife was Tomasa Munoz.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18448-6691-33?cc=1874591&wc=…

But then later on Patricio Madera had another wife by the name of "Maria Dimas De La Paz that was born in 1819 who was 27 years younger than Patricio. My great grandfather Calixto Madera is the son of Patricio Madera and his second wife "Maria Dimas De La Paz" who is 27 years younger.

Source of Maria Leocadia De Huizar:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-51650-8?cc=1874591&wc=…

Alguien tiene mas.informacion de los Huizar??? Busco a un Marto Huizar de
Valparaiso Zacatecas nacido alrededor de 1880 el era arriero y trabajaba
para la familia Amaro o en donde puedo buscar!!?? Estuvo casado y su esposa
murio en un viaje (no se como se llamaba su primer esposa) y su segunda
esposa fue Maria Basilia Amaro Pasillas y se establecieron en Durango
despues de viajar huyendo del.ejercito constitucionalista!! Es todo lo qie
se
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I am still trying to find the defunto record of my great great great great granfather Francisco Madera whose wife is Maria Leocadia De Huizar.

So I am trying to look in the matrimonios and my estimate of when they got married would be sometime before the year 1762 when then had a son name Juan Venancio (Benancio) Madera, Espanol.

I started in the year 1752 and my curiousity is the drawing of a bird the author of matimonios book made. Trying to go into the mind of the author? Did he draw it based on a bird he has seen and where did he see it.

http://oi58.tinypic.com/1zqxcoi.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-46024-19?cc=1874591&wc…

While researching my paternal side, I came across a list of over 20 men and it just says, "Le pasaron por las armas" I looked for a translation it appears that all these men were executed under a firing squad. It was around Jan 1812. Was this still during the Mexican War of Independence and can they be connected. Can anyone please shed some light.I included the link to image.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18019-27362-0?cc=1883377&wc=…

Thanks
Ruben

Gil Ramirez wrote:

I'm interested in finding more information on what it took to become a "Comandante de Armas". I also cannot find much information on the role of a "Teniente de Justicia". My Great grandfather x6 was both a "Teniente de Justicia" and "Comandante de Armas". My Gg x6 was apparently chosen as "Teniente" by Rosendo Porlier who was under the orders of brigadier Don José de la Cruz comandante general del Ejército de Operaciones de Reserva. http://www.pim.unam.mx/catalogos/hyd/HYDIII/HYDIII012.pdf

My Gg x6 Francisco Castillo, was later killed by insurgents on Oct 18, 1812. A few years later Francisco's son, My Gg X5, Luis Castillo Bonal, would also become Teniente de Justicia for the same town, Zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mexico.

My Gg x5 Luis Castillo Bonal married a Captain's daughter.
My Gg x6 Francisco's daughter married a Teniente de justice from Tepatitlan, Jalisco, Mex.

I have also heard the title "Corregidor" and wondering if this title was just another name for "Teniente de Justicia".
Any information is greatly appreciated..website links, books, authors etc..

I saw this one on someone who is 23 years of age that was assalted, "taila una bala en la barriga" it happened in the Hacienda of San Antonio in 1811. He seemed to be from the Rancho De La Cienega. Can't tell what else the writing talks about:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/157krk7.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-51764-15?cc=1874591&wc…

In the 1679 Padron for Jalostotitlan/San Juan de los Lagos, there is a Francisco Robalcava and Isabel Avalos with three other names of (Manuel), Joseph, and Juan Robalcava. I assume these are their children. Also there is a Sebastian Mendoza and Mariana Quesada with the names of Maria de los Angeles, and (Juana Mendoza). Is this the same Manuel and Juana that some of us are looking for?

I am looking for the parents of Manuel Robalcava and Juana Mendoza. Someone posted that his parents are Matheo Robalcava and Cecelia de Ysla, but I can not find the proof. Can anyone help me with this line.

This is what I have found so far one daughter for Manuel and Juana, Ysabel b. 14 May 1696 in Jalostotitlan, and there son Joseph married to Juana Pedroza is my line. There is a dispensa for Joseph and Juanas son Joachin Domingo and Maria Lozano 1687-1749 Image 45

Juana Mendoza......Maira Mendoza
Joseph Robalcava...Maria Robalcava
Joachin Domingo....Juana Lozano
...................Maria Lozano

Thank you,
Lisa in Arizona

Found something here. It is the defunto of "Capitan Don Ignacio Martinez De Murguia" where he was 56 years old, passed away from hidropecia. Left his money to be divided up into the poor. He passed away at "La Hacienda De San Antonio De Padua" under the jurisidiction of our village "Huejuquilla El Alto" in Jalisco Mexico in 1814.

I am not sure what else it says about "esposa?"

I made copy and tried to fit it into one page:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/xgf7kn.jpg

Source starts at bottom of left page then continues on top of right page:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-51805-7?cc=1874591&wc=…

Hello... I am new to site and am starting to do some serious research on my lineage. To start I just wanted to know if there are any fellow relatives or paisanos from the Union de San Antonio area (Tlacuitapan, San Jose de los Reynoso, San Julian, San Miguel el Alto etc.,).

The surnames in my extended family are Marquez, Martin, Martinez, Martin del Campo, Ramirez, Munoz. If we include in-laws then we can add Reynoso, Loza, Alaniz & Lopez.

Saludos, so nuevo en este sitio y apenas comienzo con una investigacion rigurosa. Para empezar, quisiera saber si hay parientes o paisanos del municipio Union de San Antonio (Tlacuitapan, San Jose de los Reynoso, San Julian, San Miguel el Alto etc.,)

Los apellidos en mi familia incluyen Marquez, Martin, Martinez, Martin del Campo, Ramirez y Munoz. Si le anadimos los emparentados tambien hablamos de Reynoso, Loza, Alaniz y Lopez.

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From: mimilozano@somosprimos.com [mailto:mimilozano@somosprimos.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:40 PM
To: mimilozano@aol.com
Subject: June 2014

http://somosprimos.com/sp2014/spjun14/spjun14.htm

Dear Primos and friends:

Hope this summer is full of family fun and family memories, a time to relax and renew.

If you are involved with a family reunion, I hope you take lots of photos and share with readers. If your family is not holding an organized, pre-planned reunion, maybe this would be a good time to plan for next year. There are lots of published articles for suggestions on planning a reunion.
The April issue of Ebony had a wonderful three-page article, "Its a Family Affair" with lots of pointers on how to plan a reunion.

A very special thank you to submitters of articles and family stories, Cuentos. I have not read one that I could not relate to . . in some way. They joggles my memory and are really fun reading. Even tales of deprivation are uplifting, because the writer lived through it; the writer is the victor over the pain. I hope the Cuentos encourage all of you to write and share who you are, and what you've learned from life.

First Writes got me started. There are four chapters from the writing manual available free online with the publisher's permission at:
http://www.somosprimos.com/write.htm The categories are: Home, Mom, Dad, and Money. Those four will get you started.

Also look around the house at family heirlooms. You've kept them for a reason, what is the reason?
Usually we remember events because of an emotion attached to it. What were you feeling?

Un Abrazo, Mimi
www.SomosPrimos.com

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You can call me Daniel. Genealogy has always been a passion and it requires dedication, each link with a document. Everything carefully cited and documented. People call me annoying, but truly it is an art. If organization is annoying people won't make it far in research. Being meticulous is key in this field. Keep in mind, that people traveled a lot during colonial times. It can be as exaggerated as your Madera coming from Mexico City, do not be surprised. I have one line from Puebla who Agustin Ruiz de Velasco y Puga Villanueva traveled all the way to Puebla just to marry his second cousin on his maternal side and to bring his wife back to Guadalajara and that is where they settled, he being from Ayotlan. If I never had familysearch, I would have never guessed they married in Puebla. Who would have thought! I have not done much research in Huejuquilla, which is on the extreme north end of Jalisco bordering Zacatecas, but it is obvious you knew that. I am finding Don Fernando de Arguelles interesting, so I saved a copy. I believe there may be a connection with Arguelles y Miranda, so I will archive it, until I decide or find more information later to pursue it. You will learn this, saving pieces of the puzzle now and later putting it together will be a godsend. I know the Juan de Arguelles y Miranda, who was secretary of the Viceroy had many nephews, so Zacatecas being so close, exists a possibility. Now I have to ask more questions and find documents.

Thank you for demonstrating strong demeanor in you're research. I have been following your posts, but rarely post.

Good luck on the never-ending research,
Daniel Méndez de Torres C.

For those of you doing research into the Mendoza Surname this is the information that I have come across in my research:

Salvador Mendoza - Bruna Gomez (GGGGrandfather Salvador born 1820's?)
Encarnacion Mendoza - Romana Cedillo (GGGrandfather Encarnacion born 1840's?)
Zenon Cedillo Mendoza - Rosa Ramirez (GGrandfather Zenon born 1860's?)
Ruperto Mendoza - Tomasa Hernandez (Grandfather Ruperto born 1890's)

I do not know where Salvador Mendoza was born but do know that the rest of my grandfathers were born in the Jalisco area. Hope this information might help someone doing research. I also have images of the names as they are related should you need them. Thanks

The results of my Ancestry DNA are at a standstill pause, while I have been matched with several other that had their DNA done, their responses have been rather negative. My question, can the Ancestry DNA results be universally shared and compared with the results from other testing entities such as NuestrosRanchos tests. One of my matches came from one that has ancestors with the de Leon surname from Encarnacion Jalisco, however, he/she did not go any further and I could not access his/her private family tree. Is there a DNA forum within NuestrosRanchos?

I have been moving along the archive of defuntos of Huejuquilla and San Antonio De Padua looking for the defunto of my great great great great grandfather Francisco Madera who is the husband of Maria de Guizar and the father of Juan Benancio Madera (1762).

I arrived to the year 1810 and by curiousity I ran across this document of defunto of 14 cuerpos que murieron en "La Guerra" and of Hacienda San Antonio?

What Guerra? The war of indpendence of Mexico against Spain?

http://oi60.tinypic.com/30k91qw.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-53554-9?cc=1874591&wc=…

HOla ! ya econtre de una rama de mi familia hasta las familias españolas de rivedesella de asturias españa !! pero ya ahi no se como mas investigar !! alguien me puede dar orientacion al respecto??

Hello!! I found a branch of my family tree until the spañish family from rivadesella from asturias spain!! but I don´t know how to investigatefurther from there !! can anyone help me ??

Hola a todos:

Mi duda es ¿Se podrían encontrar los documentos de dispensas matrimoniales de los estados de Nuevo León y Coahuila en los años 1819 y 1834 en los registros de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara?
Si no es así, ¿Dónde podría encontrarlos?

De antemano, gracias por su ayuda.