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Hi Joseph

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you on the Banuelos question. These Banuelos start in the late 1700's and it's only a small portion in the Colotlan area. I know your cousin Andy was working on this line a few years ago. These are my cousin, Dave's line....the same primo that is related to you through the Tafoya's and Maldonado's. Dave and I are related 10+ times in Nueva Galicia. It's amazing how just finding one ancestral line into the Romo de Vivars, Tiscarenos, Lomelins, Ruiz de Esparza's, Rubalcava's....etc and one becomes related many times over with someone else. It's mind-boggling at times.

Rose Gonzales-Hardy

This weekend I was reading a reprint of the Conquest of California and New Mexico, by
James Madison Cutts nephew of Dolly Madison.
He has a page on the Mixed races of Mexico that I thought was very interesing and decided to share.
now if this was just American government translation of, or printed from documents obtained from actual Mexican record is not made clear..... I hope this has use for someone at sometime. I do think it is a clue to the record of those who beacame us citizens after the Spanish American war.

as follows:

"Europeans, or persons of pure Spanish blood, not natives of Mexico, powerless in a political point of view, but wealthy, though small in number

Crillos or Creoles; persons of unadulerated white bloood. During the revolution, these and the first class were known as Gauchupinos, and generally opposing the revolution, were called Realists or Royalist.

Meztizos or half bloods, the decendants of the white and aborginal races; this class comprises of a great portion of the population of Mexico.

The native unmixed Indians, now rapidly being amalgamated with the others, yet still powerful in a numerical point of view.

Mulattoes, as with us, the decendants of whites and Africans.

Africans, and persons of the unmixed African blood.

Zambos, the decendants of Indian and African parents.

Besides, there are numerous descendants of emigrants fron the Canary Islands, with the admixture of Moorish, not African blood. Gitanos or Gipseys, and it is said, on the Pacific coast, near Acapulco, a large porportion of the population have a mixture of Malay, and Chinese blood.

Slavery was abolished on the 13th of july, 1824, and fron that date forward every imported slave was declared to be free, man from the moment he landed upon the Mexican coast. They have however, a system of quasi servitude, called peonage."
mari

Ive made a huge wall breaking in my reasearch, has anyone done research in Pinos, Zacatecas or Noria de los Angeles. My Eugenio del Camino born ca. 1826 was originally from "la parroquia de Con. de los Angeles, this is the same place from Noria de los Angeles. Pre 1800-there wasnt a parish so everyonewent to Pinos
the San Mattias Parish to get there church rites. Does anyone have any Caminos or Oviedos for Pinos Zacatecas? -Daniel Mendez del Camino

Does anyone know how to put the images of documents into pdf? I seem to only get .jpg files .
I would like I pdf doc if possible but am ignorant as to how to do this task.

Help???

Esther

Hi,

I apologize for posting my last message on "Jewish History" in Jalisco in
the research forum. I guess I should have posted it in this forum.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Last night my husband and I were on youtube and we did a search for Nochistlan. I discovered there were lots of videos about Nochis. One video was called "Recorriedo Nochistlan" and someone actually drove around Nochis with a video camera in their hand driving up and down streets that were very familiar to me. In another video there were people running around with white powder on their faces (harina and pinole) which of course some of you may know is a very old tradicion called el "Papaqui del Guerito San Sebastian." There are videos which depict other traditions like the "La Coleadera" in Las Animas which is an event I have attended many times, and the Sunday night serenatas in the jardin in Nochistlan.

I did not search for videos of any other pueblos but I would imagine that they exist. I just thought it might be worth mentioning to all of you because I am sure there are many of you researching places you have never been to. I think it is another way to learn about the cultures and traditions that exist in the pueblos we are researching.

Testing

Pat

Hi, all:

I had received an LDS microfilm No. 238073 of the Jesus Parish Records in
Guadalajara, Jalisco for 1876-1883. I had ordered it to look for the
baptism record for my great-grandmother Francisca Cabral, because in her
marriage record it said that she had lived in the Jesus Parish until she was
one year old. However, her baptism record was not on this particular film.
Thankfully, I went ahead and searched through the entire film, just in
case, though I kept telling myself it was probably a waste of time. Lo and
behold, I found someone I had no idea would be in this record from my Robles
family line. The record is as follows:

Jose Emigdio baptized at Iglesia Parroquial de Jesus, Guadalajara March 12,
1879; born March 11, 1879; legitimate son of Magdaleno Cortes and Jesus
Robles. Paternal grandparents: Antonio Cortes and Caciana Padilla.
Maternal grandparents: Emigdio Robles and Manuela Rivera. Padrinos: Jose
Maria Robles and Manuela Rivera.

Emigdio Robles and Manuela Rivera are my ggg-grandparents, not on the Cabral
side of the family, but the Martin del Campo side. My mother had told
me Emigdio and Manuela had a daughter named Jesus, but this is the first
record I have found of her, so I was very happy about that, plus learning
about whom she married, etc. Jesus would be my gg-grandmother's (Rita's)
sister. I also found another record with the name Catarina Rivera, who
might be Rita's cousin, so this film turned out to be quite helpful for
these reasons and because it appears the Riveras and Robles were well
represented in that parish.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Dear Ranchos Family,

I have a new e-mail address:
patriciacorbera@comcast.net

The past week has been one huge nightmare... I changed ISP last Friday Oct 12nd, and have not been able to access the Internet since that day... after hours/days on the phone with tech support, the bottom line is my 6 y/o computer has been put to rest, and I'm now typing on my new one...
Oh! I neglicted to mention, that in preparation for the change over, I save my address book info, as well as very important files to a floppy drive... New computers don't have floppy drives... so I need to figure out how to get all that info onto discs...and then loaded into the new computer... Oh! well, just another day in cyberspace...
;-)

Pat Silva Corbera

p.s. Dear Helyn,
Please contact me ...

Hello!
Hola!

My new research has permitted me to find out more names and info. If anyone recognizes a name or place I would appreciate it.

Mi buscara ma ha permitido encontrar mas informcion de nombres y lugares. Si algien reconoce algun nombre o sitio sere muy agradecida.

Thank you!
Gracias!

Sofia

Jose Ygnacio Martinez
1788
Se casa con:
Maria Ysabel Gomez
Hijos:

-Mariana
Se casa con Jose Moreno
Hijos:
Maria Romula ; 22 de Feb. de 1826
Maria Estefana ; 04 de Sept. de 1827
Maria de San Juan ; 11 de Enero de 1829
Gavina ; 28 de Feb. de 1841

-Maria Macaria ; 18 de Mar. de 1804

-Jose Maria ; 31 de Enero de 1806

-Maria Guadalupe Cristina ; 01 de Aug. de 1807

-Pedro Jose de la Luz ; 11 de Jul. de 1810

Pedro Jose de la Luz Martinez Gomez
11 de Julio de 1810 San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco
Hacienda de Gallinas, Pinos
Rancho el Pueblito
Se casa el 08 de Oct. De 1831 San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco con:
Paula Aguilar Zúñiga
Hijos:

-Maria Andrea ; 08 de Dec. De 1832

-Maria Estefanía ; 31 de Dec. De 1834
Se casa con Crescencio Santos, San Jose, Ojuelos
1913 pasa la herencia de su hermano Abundio a Don Aurelio, su sobrino
Hijos:

Paula ; 06 de Mar. de 1862
Hilaria ; 13 de Nov. de 1864
Hijo: Ambrosio Contreraz

Juan ; 01 de Enero de 1867
Atanasio ; 08 de Mayo de 1868
Tomas ; 24 de Dec. de 1871

-Maria de Refugio ; 30 de Mar. de 1837

-Jose de la Encarnación ; 01 Abr. De 1838

-Jose Cosme ; 24 de Sept. de 1840; 11 del día (Jaula)
Bauptismo 03 de Oct.

-Eugenio ; 19 de Mar. de 1842; 10 del día (Jaula)
Bauptismo 27 de Mar.

-Panfila ; 02 de Jun. de 1844 (Pueblito)
Bauptismo 09 de Jun.

-Dario ; 25 de Nov. de 1846; 8 de la tarde (Jaula)
Bauptismo 02 de Nov.

-Secundino ; 04 de Jul. de 1849

-Abundio ; 15 de Jul. de 1850

-Maria Encarnación ; 07 de Abr. de 1853

-Macaria ; 15 de Mar. de 1854

Ygnacio Aguilar
Se casa con:
Antonia Zuniga
Hijos:

-Paula

-Maria Ambrosia de la Consision ; 14 de Dec. de 1807

Cornelio Davila
Se casa con:
Maria de Rosario Araiza
Hijos:

-Eligio ¿?

-Maria Agapita
Se caso con Gil Esparza
Hijos:

I have read several postings, but I'm new to requesting help. The Bustamante line, from Aguascalientes is the root I am researching. Cruz Bustamante B. 4-26-1882 is my Great Great Grandfather. I am having trouble finding much more than his wife and two children. I understand a member has the film for this time and place. How and who do I contact for help? I'd appreciate any help from our Nuestros Ranchos. Thank you in advance. Lupe

>
Irene,

Thank you for the information. I have copied it and hope to connect
it to my family sometime. Enjoy your trip. I just got back and am
pooped. Trips are fun.

Linda

On Oct 9, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Irene Sweet wrote:

> Gabino's dad is Gregorio Reynoso o Renteria who married Maria
> Merced Ponce. Gregorio was born in 1823. He married Maria
> Norberta Romero.

Do you have any more information on Maria Norberta Romero? My Romero
family lived in Tepatitlan for at least 4 generations. They are
Serapio Romero, b. abt. 1820 who married Petra Pena. Their son, Jose
Manuel Romero, b. 1845, married Marcelina de la Torre. In turn,
Manuel and Marcelina's son, Castulo Romero, b. abt 1880, married
Sofia de la Torre. Their son, Jose Ramon Romero was my father. All
the Romero's were born in Tepatitlan.

Linda Romero

Does anyone, from the Group know the Laredo, Texas and Nuevo Laredo, Taumalipas area, very well?

If so, please contact me offline, at jonathan@mexicanfhr.com

thanks,
Jonathan

I don't have photoshop, guess I will have to purchase it.

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Sofia : --------------

>
> Hola Esther,
>
> Have you tried opening the image in photoshop then go to "save as" where you
> have the choice of the format.
>
> Sofia

In Spanish times what were these caste system classifictions mean? I have some ancestors as Collotes. -Daniel Mendez del Camino

If anyone is interested in following Don Juan Lopes de Elisalde's line in the 1500's in Tolosa these are the films you'll be interested in. I hope to follow his line someday. I really want to look for Don Juan's parents. I only included the films that would extend his genelogy.

Title
Registros parroquiales, 1541-1979

Authors
Iglesia Católica. Santa María (Tolosa, Guipúzcoa) (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo Diocesano de San Sebastián.
Algunos tomos incluyen índices y confirmaciones.
Parish registers of baptisms, marriages, and deaths from Tolosa, Guipúzcoa, Spain.
Some volumes include indexes and confirmations.
Access in France and Spain limited to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Le prêt en France est limité aux membres de l'Eglise de Jésus Christ des Saints des Derniers Jours. Acceso en España es limitado a los miembros de la Inglésia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los Ultimos Días.

Subjects
Spain, Guipúzcoa, Tolosa - Church records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1978-1985

Physical
en 22 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.

Bautismos 1541-1596 (ítemes 1-2) FHL INTL Film [ 1156742 ]
Matrimonios 1564-1582, 1590 Same Film
Defunciones 1543-1571, 1576 Same Film
Bautismos 1572-1692 (ítemes 3-5) - Same Film

Matrimonios y velaciones 1601-1806 - FHL INTL Film [ 1157151 ]

It looks like most Rubios connect back to these guys in la Nueva Galicia. I have several rubios about 5 times. My line ends at Don Diego Rubio de Monrroy of Guadalajara. I only have the marriage date of the IGI. Which is in 1640's. Does anyone else have these ancestors or at least family. Im thinking Diego is a descendant of the conquistador I think its Juan, I have to check with Gary Felix, but the conqus. Rubio de Monrroy son or grandson, who also settled in Guadalajara in the 1570's from la Capital. -Daniel Mendez del Camino

Aunque definitivamente no soy un experto me pongo a sus ordenes para acompañarlos, con todos los recursos que esten a mi alcance, en este tan ambicioso proyecto que es un justo reconocimiento a la labor que ustedes desarrollan al frente del grupo. Enhorabuena y felicidades para todos ustedes.

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Lo siguiente es una traduccion de un mensaje que enviamos en ingles el 9 de octubre y que se ha traducido gracias a la generosidad de nuestro miembro David Delgado.

The following is a translation of a message that was sent out in English on October 9 and which has been translated thanks to the generosity of our member David Delgado.

Estimados socios de Nuestros Ranchos:

Esta tarde, José, Mickey y yo tuvimos una llamada telefónica entre Ruth Schirmacher y Lynn Turner de la Biblioteca de Historia Familiar en Salt Lake City durante el cual ellos propusieron que Nuestros Ranchos sirva de grupo de ensayo en usar la tecnología nueva para poner en un índice electrónico en la red internacional documentos latinoamericanos.

Como ustedes ya sabrán, Family Search ya se ha encargado de hacer un índice de la totalidad de lo que ha sobrevivido del Censo Mexicano de 1930. Si usted no lo ha hecho todavía, le sugiero que visite el sitio:

http://www.familysearchindexing.org

y que se inscriba de voluntario, descargue el software y pruebe el software de hacer índices. Se puede escoger trabajar específicamente en la parte de Aguascalientes del Censo Mexicano de 1930 (el que ahora está poniéndose en índice) o cualquier otro de los proyectos que actualmente están poniéndose en índice.

La proposición que se hizo a Nuestros Ranchos es para poner en índice los Censos antiguos de nuestra región (Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes). Este plan requiere que organicemos un grupo núcleo de personas con experiencia en extraer datos de documentos mexicanos para servir de árbitros y cumplir los deberes del control de la calidad (de la labor) y reclutar un grupo mayor en número de voluntarios del grupo y también de otros fuera del grupo quienes tengan la voluntad de hacer la labor de hacer índices.

I am so excited, I bought the book last week and I will surely be getting it this week or the next.

Best Regards
Humberto

Joseph Puentes and Members,

Please note that I have added the following Film #'s and IGI Batch Numbers in the Films Section:

For Etzatlan, Jalisco:
Batch M602979/#0282233 Marriages 1880-1885

For San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco:
Batch M603413/#0220710 Marriages 1823-1841
Batch M603414/#0220711 Marriages 1841-1864
Batch M603415/#0220712 Marriages 1864-1878

For Cuatitlan, Jalisco:
Batch C030619/#N/A Baptisms Girls 1843-1865

For Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco:
Batch C029680/#N/A Baptisms Girls 1786-1792

Also, I was unable to post the following Batch Numbers for Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, because that municipality is not included in the Jalisco pull-down menu. But they are listed below because I thought some members might be interested in them.

For Ayo el Chico, Jalisco:
Batch C604472/#0280672 Baptisms 1764-1786
Batch C604474/#0280674 Baptisms 1799-1819
Batch J604473/#0280673 Baptisms Boys 1768-1799
Batch K604473/#0280673 Baptisms Girls 1768-1799

Saludos,

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

Ronnie,

I found your message interesting. I have been searching for my Reynoso's for many years. My grandfather, Francisco Reynoso o Renteria used to say that the family records could be found in Jalisco. He never talked much about the family in Mexico and when he did he liked to mix truth with untruth. One never knew what could be believed. I have had to find original source records and prove what I believed to be correct. More fun!

The family lived in Moyahua de Estrada, Zacatecas, Mexico. Grandpa owned Rancho Buena Vista where many family members were born and died. He also owned two other ranchos that I believe were in the area.

The last direct line ancesctor that I have record of is Silverio Reynoso o Renteria of Zacatecas. He married Maria Gregoria Carrillo. He died in Moyahua 14 July 1837. I have seen both names Francisco and Diego Reynoso on the records. I believe one or both, I can't remember right now, are on the records for Juchipila, Zacatecas, Mexico. I know that some of my direct lines are from Juchipila. I have wondered if Francisco and Diego are related to our family. Hope I can learn this in the near future.

Kelly

----- Original Message ----
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 11:56:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reynoso

hola leticia ,perdoname mi espanol, primero como estas ? Lo que se todo Los
Reynoso de Los Altos son dela misma Rama.Eran 2 hermanos un Francisco
Reynoso y un Diego Reynoso .El padre de estos era de Peru.Francisco se quedo
en Jalisco y su hermano Diego se fue a Zacatecas.Todos Los reynoso que viven
en aguascalientes,jalisco y zacatecas vienen de estos hermanos.Toda la gente
de Los Altos son parientes . Ellos estan conectado con uno o dos
ancesteros.Toda la gente tepatitlan son la misma gente inclusive
jalostotitlan y el resto de los altos.
espero tu repuesta
tu pariente y a casi todos do Los Altos

Ronnie Reynoso

Esther asked how much room the software takes...

FamilySearch Indexing takes up about 20-30 MBs.

There have been a lot of questions about indexing, and I doubt that all can be addressed in the mailing list. If you want to learn more you can visit http://www.familysearchindexing.org and click the "Help" tab at the top of the screen. These tutorials will explain a lot about the program in general. Specific instructions will be made available when your pilot project begins. I would recommend that everyone go through lessons 1, 3 & 4 to get a basic understanding of how the program works.

On a side note. You can index offline...you will download the images (as has been mentioned) to your computer, then you can choose to work offline. This is great for those of us that commute to work, or travel (fly, etc) because we can work while offline, then when we connect our computers back up to the internet we can submit the work we've done. All this is explained in the tutorials.

-Lynn

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Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members:

This afternoon, Joseph, Mickey and I had a conference call with Ruth Schirmacher and Lynn Turner of the Family History Library in Salt Lake City where they proposed that Nuestros Ranchos serve as the pilot group to use Family Search's new digital online indexing technology to index Latin American records.

As most of you are probably aware, Family Search has already taken on indexing the entirety of the surviving 1930 Mexico Census. If you have not yet done so, I suggest you go to:

http://www.familysearchindexing.org

and sign up as a volunteer, download the software and try out the indexing software. You can choose to specifically work on the Aguascalientes portion of the 1930 Mexico census (which is now being indexed) or any other one of the indexing projects currently being worked on.

The proposal made to Nuestros Ranchos is for the indexing of earlier censuses from our region (Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes). What this would require would be getting a core of people from the group who are experienced in extracting Mexican records to serve as arbitrators and do quality control and to recruit a larger group of volunteers from within the group and from outside of it who would be willing to do the indexing.

The first step is to identify the censuses that we would want to index. The only prerequisite is that the census be filmed in the Family History Library's collection. I personally believe that colonial era censuses would be the most useful, so we would like to identify any and all films that include censuses from our three states, especially those from before 1820. Please let us know of any films from your towns that you know of, especially if they are older censuses. Many are listed in the catalog with the subject as "Census", "Padron" or "Padrones" but many others are simply listed under parroquial records or are included in a film with other records (baptisms, marriages, etc).

Also, if you have ever used a colonial era census film or would like to participate as an arbitrator to do quality control, please let us know.