I have the listing of racial descriptions, but I have just found a description that I do not have referenced and could not find a translation out on the Internet. Is anyone familiar with the term "Espazo." It is the racial description on the baptismal document of Serapia Ledesma Baldivia born September 8, 1832 in San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco. Any help would be appreciated.
Maureen Bejar
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Subject: Somos Primos February 2007 Table of Contents lq4
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:50:13 -0500 (EST)
From: MIMILOZANO@aol.com
To: MIMILOZANO@aol.com
Click here: Somos Primos
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2007/spfeb07/spfeb07.htm
Dear Primos . . . February has quite a few Action Items that I suggest
you read carefully. The first two exclude us historically and
currently, very much to our detriment. I hope you will involve yourself
in whatever manner you can. Our presence and patriotism is needed.
I would like to dedicate this issue to Dr. Granville Hough. Without a
drop of Hispanic blood, yet Granville has dedicated a decade of time and
money to document the contributions of Spain during the American
Revolution. A graduate of West Point, Granville saw the Latino men who
served faithfully. It was to honor them that he has produced evidence
that Hispanics have been an integral part of the United States, even
before it became a nation. His final piece of research is in this
issue. Thank you Granville, with the deepest respect, from all of us.
Sincerely, Mimi
*UNITED STATES*
*Action Items*
**THE WAR** *14-hour WWII Documentary, excludes Latinos, why???*
Letter to Ken Burns by Rick Aguirre, Latino Advocates for Education, Inc.
**Hispanic Employment in the Federal Government**
Letter from Los Angeles City Council in support of Guy Gabaldon
Legacy of Valor Display traveling this summer
Dr. Hector P. Garcia Legacy of Valor Projects
Dr. Hector P. Garcia's daughter, Wanda Garcia to share life stories
Idea for 2007: a new $5 coin to honor Dr. Hector P. Garcia
Effort to have a U.S. postal stamp honoring Postmaster Hector Godinez.
*National Issues*
Lawmakers want museum to salute Latinos' U.S. role
Velazquez Joins Pelosi in Parade of House 'Firsts'
Voces Primeras, a film by Mujeres de La Caucus Chicana
Chicana Issues Conference publication, La Razon Mestiza
Book: Chicanas in Charge, Texas Women in the Electoral Arena
Some of you might be already aware of this source for books: LibrosLatinos.com
They are located in Redlands, Ca. and will ship world wide.
You can either search through their catalogues or go to their Search area and type in your area of interest (Jalisco, Zcatecas, Aguascalientes)
You might find some books of interest to you.
Last year I bought "Jalostotitlán a Travez de Los Siglos, Vol. #1" from them.
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
Quirian Saldivar Gomez ( my gg grandmother ) born Jan. 3rd 1821 in Villa de Santiago , married Candelario Alvarado Oct. 26 1844 in Villa de SantiagoJuan Jose Saldivar Rodriguez de Montemayor y Ayala my ggg grandfather from Guaxuco aka Villa de Santiago married Maria Ygnacia Gomez Alanis on Sept. 29 1817 also in Cauxco Jose Gregorio Saldivar de Montemayor my gggg grandfather from Cauxco married to Jacinta Rodriguez Ayala ( not sure if Monterrey or Cauxco married )Agustin Saldivar de la Garza my ggggg grandfather from from Cauxco married Ana Josefa Rodriguez de Montemayor Juan Saldivar Salinas my gggggg grandfather from Cauxco married Ysabel de la Garza Montemayor Agustin Saldivar Farias my ggggggg grandfather from Zacatecas married Ana SalinasVicente Zaldivar my gggggggg grandfather from Zacatecas married to Maria Farias Sosa So far that's all I have . On another note Villa de Santiag was called different names at different times , it was called CAUXCO , CAUJUCO , EL VALLE
DE CAUXC
UO , EL VALLE DE CUAJUCO and then Villa de Santiago . The name Caujuco comes from an indian that used to rob , enslave and kill the settlers early on , they then made an agreement with him to supply indian slaves for work . He did this until his own people killed him in front of his wife . http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15634
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Cuando estuve en Colotlan el mes pasado pase por el centro universitario norte de la Universidad de Guadalajara y en la libreria encontre un tesoro de libros. Compre varios que me interesaban a mi y uno que me parecio le interesaria a algun miembro del grupo...
JALOSTOTITLAN A TRAVES DE LOS SIGLOS. Tomo I. De la Prehispanía a la Independencia. 2a ed
Autor: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio.
Descripcion: Historia municipal con lista de lideres religiosos y seculares en apendice
Imprenta: Guadalajara, Acento Editorial, 2001
Condicion: 264p., photos, illus., tablas, wrps, 4to
Lo vendo a cualquier miembro que lo quiera... $30 incuyendo el envio.
Pienso recopilar la lista de los libros que tengo y compartirla con el grupo para que si alguien quiere que le busque algun dato. Espero que miembros con bibliotecas grandes puedan hacer lo mismo.
Linda,
I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
Lo siento pero tengo que decir lo siguiente:
Hace algunos dias hice mi inspección final para determinar quienes serían eliminados del grupo a partir del dia
primero de Febrero, 2007. Pero luego ayer noté que algunos han enviado genealogias al area del grupo:
"files"==>"Member Genealogies" SIN notificar a los miembros del grupo Y sin informarme a mi.
Si le envié un mensaje en el cual le avisaba que necesitaba mandar su genealogia antes del dia 31 de Enero del 2007
Y si envió sus datos a "files" Y no me lo hizo saber...Que no le sorprenda si se encuentra eliminado del grupo de todos modos.
La comunicación es esencial aquí y se requiere notificar a alguien.
Es muy dificil llevar control de todos los miembros, expedientes, datos y todo lo demas que tengo que hacer fuera del grupo
si no hay buena comunicación.
Si usted es una de esas personas, le sujiero me envíe un mensaje los mas pronto posible dirigido a: NR@JosephPuentes.com
de no hacerlo, tendra que pasar por el proceso completo de inscripción otra vez (que es bastante facil)
Joseph Puentes
Campos GEDCOM from Jerez, Zacatecas has been posted.
Thanks,
Steve Campos
If you mean the book "Fundadoes de Nueva Galicia" The author is Guillermo Garamedia Leal.
He sells his books though Borderland Bookstore in San Antonio www.borderlandbooks.com.
--
Esther A. Herold
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> Hello, out there, who knows the author of "CONQUISTADORES de NUEVA GALICIA"?
> Thanks!!!!!!!!
>
> Juanita G. Delgado
>
> arturoramos wrote:
>
> Elvira:
>
> You can find Susana Leniski's Caldera file in her member's genealogy folder.
> Maria Cid and her husband Hernan Gonzalez (who was a close collaborator of
> Miguel) had many children and appear as the common root for a number of
> Jerez-area dispensations in the Sagrada Mitra.
>
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14128
>
> Also, these are the other books from Philip Wayne Powell that contain documents,
> etc. regarding Miguel:
>
> War and peace on the North Mexican frontier; a documentary record, collected and
> arranged by Philip Wayne Powell. Paleographic transcriptions by Maria L. Powell.
>
> Soldiers, Indians & silver; North America's first frontier war.
Hola Ricardo ,
Me llamo Welester G. Alvarado y vivo en Monterrey , Mexico estoy interesado en los libros " Jalostotitlan atraves de los Siglos , Vol. 1 y 2 . Dime cuanto cuesta aqui en Mexico con el envio .
Muchas gracias ,
Welester
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:49:57 -0800> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Libros de Los Altos de Jalisco> > > Saludos a todos,> > A los que todavia les interesa obtener los libros de "Jalostotitlan atraves de los Siglos, volumenes 1 y 2", yo se los puedo conseguir, los libros que necesiten. > > Si les interesa, mandenme un e-mail a rickrod.com@gmail.com para saber cuantos libros pedir. El costo es de $30 dolares por libro, mas aparte lo que me cobren del envio, ya sea a EU o dentro de Mexico.> > Ademas, tengo varios libros y DVDs en venta de la region de Los Altos (Arandas, Canadas de Obregon, Jalostotitlan, Pegueros, San Diego de Alejandria, San Julian, Teocaltiche, Tepatitlan, Valle de Guadalupe), asi como los libros de Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia, tomos 1 y 2 (y proximamente los siguientes tomos) y varios mas, para el que les interese solo me dice y le mando la lista de lo que tengo.> > Gracias y hast
a luego
colegas genealogistas, > > Ricardo> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Many in the group have already complied, but many have not. If you've
already submitted your genealogy just relax. . .you're a life member of
the Nuestros Ranchos group.
For those that haven't submitted their work I get a little nervous when
it comes time to remove members from the list. I wish everyone would
just buckle down and send in their representative genealogies showing
their connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.
This is the second to the last notice I'm going to send out. I'll
probably send out the last notice right after the new year. Then
suddenly on 01 Feb 2007 the group should show 30-50 less members. Please
don't let this be you. On that day or shortly thereafter I will be
deleting the memberships of all who have not done
one of the following things:
1) emailed moderator@nuestrosranchos.org with a request for the specific
amount of time you'll need beyond 31 Jan 2007 to submit your genealogy*.
*Note you might be a new researcher with very little or nothing to
submit. In this case you'll be able to meet this requirement by sending
in a short account of your family's "Oral History" relating your roots
to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.
2) send moderator@nuestrosranchos.org an email with your
"representative" tree showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. [Note: not your gedcom is not required, or every
document you ever discovered or your whole life's genealogical work,
just a simple "representative" tree showing your connection to our area
of research]
Please don't wait until the last minute. Email me soon so we can start
making up your folder in the private to members only area of the group.
joseph
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En Espanol:
Voy a mandar esta noticia otra vez, la ultima vez, en la primer semana
de Enero de 2007
In case you didn't know, the LDS project for digitizing films is going much faster than anyone expected. They have now begun projects where volunteers can extract documents online using special software that you can download. I did it tonight just to see what it was like and it is amazingly simple to do. It looks like it is mostly the 1900 census for the moment. I think this has to do with the standardization of the documents which makes it possible for volunteers with minimal or no training to find the information and enter it correctly.
I would love to see them put up an extraction project related to our research area! I have already written them to inquire about when this might be.
If you get a chance and have some free space on your hard drive (the software is pretty large), try downloading the software and extracting a batch or two of the census... every little bit counts:
Michael,
Do you have any genealogy software installed on your computer? If you don't you can go to www.familysearch.org and download the free PAF program through them. It is very easy to download and install, if I can do it I know anyone else can do it.
Good luck Michael,
Alicia,
San Jose, Calif
----- Original Message ----
From: michael huizar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:32:21 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Huizar families
Hello again! My name is Michael Huizar I do not know how to arrange my info. I have information on at least 400 Huizar's here in Texas, and a few in California. I obtained them from researching U.S. Census records dating back to 1870. The reason for this research is to try and solve a very old and conflicting story of who carved the Rose window of the San Jose Mission. history books say that Pedro Huizar is given credit for it. according to the story he arrived in San Antonio appointed by the King of Spain to survey the Missions and build an aquia to provide irrigation water to fields. the story also says that he carved the window in memory of his lost love Rosa, she was rumored to have died in shipwreck on her way to meet him. records say that he was born in Aguascalientes, but not sure where. I know that there are Huizar's in Aguascalientes, because i went there and met a person that lived in la colonia de los bosques that was a Huizar. i tried to find addresses of Huizar
f
amily on
line but not one comes up. I want to tie all the Huizar families together for future generations to enjoy. i do not use the computer very well and only have about a years experience. so any help someone can give me in this forum will greatly apreciated. i do speak in spanish, and i understand all spainsh well, but i don't write it well. Angie Godina, thank you and every one in tring to help me..
Hello. I just wanted to let you all know that I finally have my Ahnentafel uploaded, which can be accessed by clicking on the following link:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=1691
Please note that there are a few "placeholders" for information that I am missing, but I am working on filling in the blanks so that I can provide an accurate GEDCOM file for upload.
Thanks!
Cristina Ávila Haro
Español (traducción más o menos exácta):
Hola. Sólo quería avisarles que por fin tengo mi Ahnentafel cargado, el cual puede ser descargado al pulsar en el siguente enlace:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=1691
Por favor note que hay alguna información incompleta, pero espero poder "llenar los vacios" para poder proveer un archivo GEDCOM completo.
I have new info that makes me believe that there Huizar's Living in Colotlan, Jalisco. if any one has more info. please let me know. Thank You!
Tony,
You are correct about so many of us having the Ruiz de Esparza lineage. I have three lines with either Ruiz, Ruiz de Esparza or Esparza, depending on the records, they will interchange the Ruiz, the Esparza or Ruiz de Esparza.
One line is Esparza/Macias/Valadez from Jalpa Zacatecas and Nochistlan Zacatecas, sometimes shown as Ruiz de Esparza and sometimes only Ruiz, that's why for a time I couldn't connect some families because I did not see the connections until one day within the same document they used all three terms, Ruiz, Ruiz de Esparza and Esparza for the same event.
Another line is Ruiz de Esparza/Luevano/Sotomayor from Pabellon Rincon de Romos, Aguascalientes, Hacienda Garabato and the other line is shown mostly as Ruiz for 5 generations from Nochistlan, Zac, Rancheria Monte de los Duranes, who married into the Esparza/Luevano/Sotomayor of Aguascalientes in the early 1800's.
Alicia,
San Jose Calif
Original Message, From: tony cobos Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 Subject: Ruiz de Esparza in Aguascalientes
So many of us have this same Ruiz de Esparza line; has anyone done research
as to the "Vielma" family(s) from this early time frame? I have wondered if
references to "Biedma", "Viezma",
"Bedmar" etc. are the same or misspellings/mis-transcriptions of this name
or totally different families.
I've heard of Cuca but not Chucha for a woman. I heard this person
giving a lecture and he referred to so and so marrying a woman named
Chucha. IF this is a legitamate nickname what is it the nickname for?
thanks,
joseph
ps: I kind of remember hearing the word chucha as referring to a dog in
the femine.
[NOTE: If you received a private email from me you're who I'm talking to
IF YOU DIDN'T please don't panic and ask me about this]
If on 01 February 2007 you find yourself unsubscribed from here is what
to do:
1) Just go to nuestrosranchos.org and click on "Create New Account"
2) fill in the application in specific detail, and submit.
3) You'll get a form letter back telling you to send in your genealogy
to NR@JosephPuentes.com
4) When I receive your genealogy I'll activate your account. . .
. . .see how simple it will be.
thanks and I am sorry for the 50 or so of you that will be unsubscribed
from on 01 Feb 2007 that somehow it didn't work out for you and the
nuestrosranchos.org group to work together in our research of the
Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes area.
The doors will always remain open if later you want to undertake a
Serious Investigation of your Genealogical Roots.
thanks,
Joseph Puentes - Moderator
Thanks Gloria for all your help. I also wanted to know which Matianas do you have? Thanks. :)
Does a Nicasio or Narciso Esparza ring a bell? Is Nicasio a name? (est. birth 1810) in Calvillo, Ags. Bill does do you have this person as a descendant of Lope Ruiz de Esparza? Any help is appreciated.
Muchidimas gracias. la verdad si me preocupo el quedarme fuera del grupo.
Saludos
Fernando Pérez
----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 10:14:01 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fernando no te apures
Fernando:
Como tu me enviaste a mi, y no a Joseph, tu GEDCOM, parece que no se te creo una carpeta en la seccion de archivos. Es a base de eso que Joseph controla la membresia. Ahora mismo te voy a crear una carpeta con un simple vinculo a la base de datos GEDCOM donde puse tu genealogia, que es lo que hacemos en casos como el tuyo donde los miembros entregan un GEDCOM.
Perdon por no haber hecho esto antes.
Saludos,
Arturo
Eliminado del grupo? Que debo hacer?
NOTA:
Si ha recibido un mensaje personal directamente de mi, es a usted a quien me refiero.
SI NO FUE ASI, por favor no se preocupe y pregunteme sobre la acción tomada.
Si para la fecha, Febrero 1, 2007 se encuentra usted eliminado del grupo, puede hacer lo siguiente:
1-Dirijase a "Nuestros Ranchos.com" y seleccione la opción: "Create New Account"
2-Llene la aplicación detalladamente y enviela.
3-Recibira una carta formulada solicitando que envíe su Genealogia a: NR@JosephPuentes.com
4-Cuando yo reciba su Genealogia, activaré su membrecía en el grupo.
Ve que fácil es?
Gracias, y lo siento mucho por aproximadamente 50 miembros que seran eliminados del grupo a partir del dia Primero de
Febrero del 2007.
Por alguna razón no dio resultado para usted ni para el grupo "Nuestros Ranchos.Com" trabajar juntos en la investigacion
en el area de Jalisco, Zacatecas y/o Aguascalientes.
Las puertas permanecerán abiertas si usted mas tarde desea emprender seriamente la investigación de sus Raices Genealogicas.
Gracias.
Joseph Puentes - Moderador
(Espanol sigue abajo)
I have updated the English version of the Nuestros Ranchos User Guide. It is still not complete but I have updated previously written sections which were outdated and written up what I think are some very important features such as using the Films Database and Searching the GEDCOM database. I have also added an appendix which shows three standard genealogy reports: Ahnentafel, Pedigree Chart and Register so that members can have examples of what genealogy reports should look like. Ideally the reports in your genealogy folder should be in one of these formats for easy sharing with other members.
I strongly suggest that any new members download the guide and print it out to have as a guide of what resources are available on the site and how to make the best use of it. I am hoping to get the changes translated soon.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123
== ESPANOL ==
He actualizado la version de ingles de la guía de usuario de los ranchos de Nuestros. Todavía no esta completa pero he puesto al día las secciones previamente escritas que eran anticuadas y he escrito secciones sobre lo que pienso son algunas características muy importantes tales como usar la base de datos de las rollos de microfilmacion y como hacer busquedas en la base de datos de GEDCOM. También he agregado un apéndice que demuestra tres reportes estándares de la genealogía: Ahnentafel, una tabla pedigrí y registro para que los miembros puedan tener ejemplos de como deben parecer los reportes de genealogía. Idealmente los documentos en su carpeta de la genealogía deben estar en uno de estos formatos para que otros miembros puedan facilmente comprenderlos.
Sugiero fuertemente que cualquier nuevo miembro descargue la guía y la imprima para tener como guía de qué recursos están disponibles en el sitio y de cómo hacer el mejor uso de él. Esperamos tener una traduccion de la actualizacion en el futuro proximo.
I just added some photo's of my maternal and paternal families in the albums section under Linda Castanon-Long. I will be adding a few more in the coming week.
Linda in Everett
Let's say you have a PAF file you are unfamiliar with. How would you?:
1) Find specific locations within the file? Say I was hunting for any
individual whose roots are in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes
just as an example?
2) Find specific individuals?
joseph
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