I have one ancestress whose birth record lists her as mestisa (that's how it was spelled) but her parents are listed in Luz M. Hilton's book as espagnoles and her son's birth record lists him as espagnol--go figure!!:( I think it had to do with did her parents (who were aristocrats, I might add) pay the priest enough for the baptism? Probably not. Marge:)
On Aug 10, 2005, at 9:58 PM, lareina2@... wrote:
I'm hoping someone has the answer to why different classification are used for the same race. I'm working on my Rolon line from Zapotlan El Grande and Tamazula.. Listings include Mulato, Lobo and Morisco for Blacks... why are they not all called the same thing? These are marriage records from the mid 1700's. They also put Blacks in a different leger than Espanoles and Mestizo's, does anyone know if there is a reason for this? Linda from Wa.
In a marriage record for a Magallanas ancestor, Tlaltenango - 1764, he is listed as being from "Rancho del Muerto". (Hmmm I wonder how that rancho was named). Has anyone encountered ancestors from this rancho? I am looking for other possible connections...especially, since many of the families in these ranchos were related.
Another big "Thank You" to Emilie from Port Orchard. I have been referring to an e-mail that you sent me March 2003...valuable info as this is the line of a Magallanas that I am currently assisting...Gracias...
Helyn
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Alberto, You can filter your searches at Google using the minus sign (-). For example, the expression: genealogía duarte -portugal, will exclude all the pages that have the word portugal. Need to play around with your search expressions. You can combine several filters as well as words within quotes and words without quotes in the same expression. It helps reviewing the search tips from Google itself once in a while. http://www.google.com/help/basics.html Victor Villarreal México --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte <albertodua@y...> wrote: > I hope you had better luck that me. I use google but > when I type "Duarte genealogia", the information I > receive is about 98% from the Portuguese branch and > very little from the Spanish Branch, and about 0% from > Mexico. > > But google is a good source. > > Alberto Duarte Prieto > Santa Maria, California >
I hope you had better luck that me. I use google but when I type "Duarte genealogia", the information I receive is about 98% from the Portuguese branch and very little from the Spanish Branch, and about 0% from Mexico. But google is a good source. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- "Josie T. Trevino" <Josiett3@...> wrote: > > I went to Google and typed "Claudio Jimenez > Vizcarra" and got two good > websites......try it! > > Josie in San Antonio, TX > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:10 AM > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 570 > > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:55:57 -0000 > From: "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@...> > Subject: Wills and Testaments in 16th and 17th > Centuries in Nueva Galicia > > Here is a likely useful reference that I just found. > If anybody knows > anything about it, please let me know. I am going > to peruse it over at the > Library of Congress one of these days. > > Jiménez Vizcarra, Claudio. > Indice del Archivo del Juzgado General de Bienes de > Difuntos de la Nueva > Galicia, siglos XVI y XVII / Claudio Jiménez > Vizcarra. > México, D.F. : Instituto Nacional de Antropología e > Historia, 1978. > 61 p. ; 27 cm. > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
I went to Google and typed "Claudio Jimenez Vizcarra" and got two good websites......try it! Josie in San Antonio, TX -----Original Message----- From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:10 AM To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 570 Message: 5 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:55:57 -0000 From: "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@...> Subject: Wills and Testaments in 16th and 17th Centuries in Nueva Galicia Here is a likely useful reference that I just found. If anybody knows anything about it, please let me know. I am going to peruse it over at the Library of Congress one of these days. Jiménez Vizcarra, Claudio. Indice del Archivo del Juzgado General de Bienes de Difuntos de la Nueva Galicia, siglos XVI y XVII / Claudio Jiménez Vizcarra. México, D.F. : Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia, 1978. 61 p. ; 27 cm.
Here is a likely useful reference that I just found. If anybody knows anything about it, please let me know. I am going to peruse it over at the Library of Congress one of these days. Jiménez Vizcarra, Claudio. Indice del Archivo del Juzgado General de Bienes de Difuntos de la Nueva Galicia, siglos XVI y XVII / Claudio Jiménez Vizcarra. México, D.F. : Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia, 1978. 61 p. ; 27 cm.
Alberto: Thanks for the information. Based on that article, I found a very useful book on the topic, which Schmal references: People of the Peyote: Huichol Indian History, Religion, & Survival (Paperback) by Stacy B. Schaefer (Editor), Peter T. Furst (Editor) I also ordered one of his books on genealogy. Mexican-American Genealogical Research: Following the Paper Trail to Mexico (Paperback) by John Schmal, Donna Morales I have also found a couple of books published by a University in Tlaxcala that are precisely on the topic of Tlaxacltec settlements in Zacatecas: Los tlaxcaltecas en el estado de Zacatecas: sublevaciones Autor: Elva Martínez Rivera ISBN: 968-7727-33-0 Constructores de la nación. La migración tlaxcalteca en el norte de la Nueva España Autor: Israel Cavazos Garza ISBN: 968-7727-36-5 --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte <albertodua@y...> wrote: > John Schmal wrote an excellent article about the > Chichimecas. > > Please go to and see: > http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/jpschmal/jsindigenouszacatecas.h tml > > Alberto Duarte Prieto. > Santa Maria, California > > --- Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote: > > > Does anybody have any information on the forced > > immigration of > > Tlaxcaltec Indios to the Chichimeca regions of > > Colotlan, San Luis > > Potosi and Chalchichuites in 1591? The involuntary > > migration was > > organized by a certain Rodrigo del Rio in order to > > bring pacified > > settlers to promising mining areas where the Spanish > > were to that date > > unable to pacify the local Indios. > > > > These were appartently a large percentage of the > > original settlers in > > both Colotlan and Totatiche, Jalisco. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
Thank you for your help, especially the map! I do believe my Mendez family from Tamazula may have come from Michoacan... Looks like many people followed the jobs, my family seems to have worked the sugar cane. thank you again, Linda in Wa.
I'm working on records from Zapotlan el Grande/Ciudad Gusman Jalisco
and am finding many people from Samora/Zamora and can't find it on the
map of Jalisco. Does anyone know if this town is in Jalisco or a
neighboring state? The time period is around 1750.
thanks for any help, Linda from Wa.
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Could it be Zamora, Michoacán? http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.travelamap.com/mexico/michoacan.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.travelamap.com/mexico/michoacan.htm&h=360&w=490&sz=69&tbnid=WXREAccOoCQJ:&tbnh=93&tbnw=127&hl=en&ei=w7T4Qq6jKZyaaIfJnZ8L&sig2=U7X-f48YUmMGXxUe5V8RFw&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmichoacan%2Bmap%26svnum%3D50%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26newwindow%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3DGGLG,GGLG:2005-32,GGLG:en --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long" <longsjourney@y...> wrote: > I'm working on records from Zapotlan el Grande/Ciudad Gusman Jalisco > and am finding many people from Samora/Zamora and can't find it on the > map of Jalisco. Does anyone know if this town is in Jalisco or a > neighboring state? The time period is around 1750. > thanks for any help, Linda from Wa.
I'm working on records from Zapotlan el Grande/Ciudad Gusman Jalisco and am finding many people from Samora/Zamora and can't find it on the map of Jalisco. Does anyone know if this town is in Jalisco or a neighboring state? The time period is around 1750. thanks for any help, Linda from Wa.
New Mexico State U. has filmed 3 archives from Mexico: three collections in Durango--"the archives from the Durango Cathedral, the state's notary records and a portion of the colonial materials from the state historical archives." The Sombrerete will be the 4th one. NMSU worked with the town council to gain permission to film those documents from Sombrerete. The person in charge at NMSU is Dennis Daily. Perhaps you can contact him and inquire about future projects. Gloria
I hoping and dreaming..... I'm hoping they do the cities of Zacatecas, Jerez, Vetagrande, and Panuca, in the future. Alberto Duarte Prieto. Santa Maria, California --- Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...> wrote: > Gloria, > > Is this the only municipality in Zacatecas that they > will be filming? Just curious as to why only this > region and not others. Maybe someone at the > university is from that area? > > Alicia > > gmccrary@... wrote: > In my latest alumni issue from New Mexico State > University in Las > Cruces, I found the following article: > > NMSU is filming the archives of Sombrerete, > Zacatecas. It will > take 2 years and produce about 200 reels of film. > "The archive > houses little used, but incredibly rich > documentation for the period > of the late 17th century through the end of the 18th > century." > > Among the materials are the church sacramental > records such as > the marriage records from 1738-1764. > > I am looking forward to the completion of the > filming. Many of my > ancestors came from Sombrerete. Don Diego de Vargas > recruited > many of his NM colonizers from this area. Many of > us from NM > trace our roots to this region. > > Gloria > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Aguascalientes mexico Aguascalientes Zacatecas State > code Jalisco Criminal offenses > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "ranchos" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
I hoping and dreaming..... I'm hoping they do the cities of Zacatecas, Jerez, Vetagrande, and Panuca, in the future. Alberto Duarte Prieto. Santa Maria, California --- Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@...> wrote: > Gloria, > > Is this the only municipality in Zacatecas that they > will be filming? Just curious as to why only this > region and not others. Maybe someone at the > university is from that area? > > Alicia > > gmccrary@... wrote: > In my latest alumni issue from New Mexico State > University in Las > Cruces, I found the following article: > > NMSU is filming the archives of Sombrerete, > Zacatecas. It will > take 2 years and produce about 200 reels of film. > "The archive > houses little used, but incredibly rich > documentation for the period > of the late 17th century through the end of the 18th > century." > > Among the materials are the church sacramental > records such as > the marriage records from 1738-1764. > > I am looking forward to the completion of the > filming. Many of my > ancestors came from Sombrerete. Don Diego de Vargas > recruited > many of his NM colonizers from this area. Many of > us from NM > trace our roots to this region. > > Gloria > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Aguascalientes mexico Aguascalientes Zacatecas State > code Jalisco Criminal offenses > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "ranchos" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > ranchos-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
In my latest alumni issue from New Mexico State University in Las
Cruces, I found the following article:
NMSU is filming the archives of Sombrerete, Zacatecas. It will
take 2 years and produce about 200 reels of film. "The archive
houses little used, but incredibly rich documentation for the period
of the late 17th century through the end of the 18th century."
Among the materials are the church sacramental records such as
the marriage records from 1738-1764.
I am looking forward to the completion of the filming. Many of my
ancestors came from Sombrerete. Don Diego de Vargas recruited
many of his NM colonizers from this area. Many of us from NM
trace our roots to this region.
Gloria
I have enjoyed reading the various contributions of the ranchos members regarding immigration stories. Struggles, sacrifices, and successes. Someone asked if I was the immigrant - I am not; my father came to this country in 1916 when he was 4 years old. His genealogy and a brief story (one paragraph) regarding an episode in that journey is in the files (JJ Castro). That brief paragraph explains with whom he traveled. Thanks again - are there any other immigration stories? I will have to compose the rest of my family's story, and hope to post in a few days. (I'm afraid I don't have as many details as some of you.) Natalie in VA
In my latest alumni issue from New Mexico State University in Las Cruces, I found the following article: NMSU is filming the archives of Sombrerete, Zacatecas. It will take 2 years and produce about 200 reels of film. "The archive houses little used, but incredibly rich documentation for the period of the late 17th century through the end of the 18th century." Among the materials are the church sacramental records such as the marriage records from 1738-1764. I am looking forward to the completion of the filming. Many of my ancestors came from Sombrerete. Don Diego de Vargas recruited many of his NM colonizers from this area. Many of us from NM trace our roots to this region. Gloria
Yes, Alberto, We are lucky to have been brought to this great land of opportunity. Our ancestors would be proud of our accomplishments. Emilie Garcia Port Orchard, WA
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For those that don't know John Schmal, he is probably the leading historian on Zacatecas that I know, which includes both Zacatecas and the United States. You can also write to him and he will reply. Alberto Duarte Prieto Santa Maria, California --- Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...> wrote: > John Schmal wrote an excellent article about the > Chichimecas. > > Please go to and see: > http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/jpschmal/jsindigenouszacatecas.html > > Alberto Duarte Prieto. > Santa Maria, California > > --- Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@...> wrote: > > > Does anybody have any information on the forced > > immigration of > > Tlaxcaltec Indios to the Chichimeca regions of > > Colotlan, San Luis > > Potosi and Chalchichuites in 1591? The > involuntary > > migration was > > organized by a certain Rodrigo del Rio in order to > > bring pacified > > settlers to promising mining areas where the > Spanish > > were to that date > > unable to pacify the local Indios. > > > > These were appartently a large percentage of the > > original settlers in > > both Colotlan and Totatiche, Jalisco. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your > mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
John Schmal wrote an excellent article about the Chichimecas. Please go to and see: http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/jpschmal/jsindigenouszacatecas.html Alberto Duarte Prieto. Santa Maria, California --- Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@...> wrote: > Does anybody have any information on the forced > immigration of > Tlaxcaltec Indios to the Chichimeca regions of > Colotlan, San Luis > Potosi and Chalchichuites in 1591? The involuntary > migration was > organized by a certain Rodrigo del Rio in order to > bring pacified > settlers to promising mining areas where the Spanish > were to that date > unable to pacify the local Indios. > > These were appartently a large percentage of the > original settlers in > both Colotlan and Totatiche, Jalisco. > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
Does anybody have any information on the forced immigration of Tlaxcaltec Indios to the Chichimeca regions of Colotlan, San Luis Potosi and Chalchichuites in 1591? The involuntary migration was organized by a certain Rodrigo del Rio in order to bring pacified settlers to promising mining areas where the Spanish were to that date unable to pacify the local Indios. These were appartently a large percentage of the original settlers in both Colotlan and Totatiche, Jalisco.
