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PARBULA ESPAÑOLA

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Hello,

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Published by Armando – Tue, 2012-07-17 18:45 | Permalink

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I have only seen that term in baptismal documents to refer to stillborn or
children that died shortly after birth. "Murió párvulo"

Saludos,
Armando

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM, wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I discovered one of my relatives, Ana Dominga Martinez, daughter of Jose
> María Martinez and Dorotea Guerra,my 5th great grandparents, was born 04
> Aug 1808, and baptized 09 Aug 18/08 (Nuetra Señora de la Asunción), in San
> Carlos, Nuevo León, MX. She was identified as "Parbula española". Can
> someone enlightened me as to what this term means? It is my first encounter.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> Paul Gomez
> Rancho Cucamonga, CA
> paul.gomez@verizon.net

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Parbula espanola
significa que era una nina hija de padre y madre espanoles y que era una
infante.

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Armando wrote:

> I have only seen that term in baptismal documents to refer to stillborn or
> children that died shortly after birth. "Murió párvulo"
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM, wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I discovered one of my relatives, Ana Dominga Martinez, daughter of Jose
> > María Martinez and Dorotea Guerra,my 5th great grandparents, was born 04
> > Aug 1808, and baptized 09 Aug 18/08 (Nuetra Señora de la Asunción), in
> San
> > Carlos, Nuevo León, MX. She was identified as "Parbula española". Can
> > someone enlightened me as to what this term means? It is my first
> encounter.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> > Paul Gomez
> > Rancho Cucamonga, CA
> > paul.gomez@verizon.net
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> > To post, send email to:
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Gracias Martha. Yo solo estaba comentado que las únicas veces que yo he
visto el uso de la palabra párvlo/párvula era para mencionar que el infante
se había muerto a nacer o poco después. Aquí te dejo un ejemplo.

http://internet.aheb-beha.org/paginas/indexacion/n_ficha_bautismos.php?…

Además, siempre consulto el diccionario de la Real Academia Española (DRAE)
cuando tengo una duda de sobre una palabra.

http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=p%C3%A1rvulo

Saludos,
Armando

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Martha Gomez
wrote:

> Parbula espanola
> significa que era una nina hija de padre y madre espanoles y que era una
> infante.
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Armando wrote:
>
> > I have only seen that term in baptismal documents to refer to stillborn
> or
> > children that died shortly after birth. "Murió párvulo"
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Armando
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM, wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I discovered one of my relatives, Ana Dominga

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Hello

I just wanted to add that I am going through records of death in Aguascalients, and I have seen parbulo use with a 4 day old infant and a five year old child. In general, I have seen it used a lot in the death records - makes one appreciate modern times...

Regards
Denise

Published by ROHdez – Tue, 2012-07-17 10:56 | Permalink

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Hi Paul,

If I'm not mistaken, "Parbulo/a" stands for "minor/infant", My Dad still uses the term once in a while to refer to Kindergarden school, he sometimes calls it "escuela para Parbulitos". Hope it helps.

Roberto Hdez

Ortega Maldonado family of Jalisco

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Hello everyone! Just as I found out about the sixteenth-century patriarch of the García de Alba family a while back, I have also found the Ortega patriarch of that same century.

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Published by topete – Tue, 2012-07-17 23:35 | Permalink

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I have the book Ameca Protofundacion Mexicana, I will scan the pages which mention the Ortega's for you and put it here sometime during the week.

topete

Published by Salvador94 – Fri, 2012-06-29 20:32 | Permalink

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Hola a todos:

La información referente al antepasado de Casilda de Ortega Maldonado y Ruiz Galindo ya la conocía desde hace mucho y con mucho gusto se la he pasado a mucha cantidad de personas interesadas en el tema. No me acuerdo si esa información la hice pública en algún foro de este sitio pero fue gracias al arduo trabajo que realizó mi tío Gabriel Agraz García de Alba que el estudio de esta familia y de muchas otras de Tecolotlán y alrededores han arrojado varios datos valiosísimos.

La publicación que hizo mi tío con respecto a los García de Alba fue exclusivamente y especialmente realizada para un tío abuelo y de la cual tengo una copia. Lo relevante acerca de los Ortega es que el pacificador de la Nueva Galicia, Antonio de Ortega Guillén casó con Catalina del Viñar y de esta unión tuvo un nieto llamado Juan de Ortega Maldonado esposo de Juana Ruiz-Galindo, padres que fueron de Casilda de Ortega Maldonado esposa de Francisco García de Alba. Osea que Casilda es bisnieta del

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Published by Marthaharo – Fri, 2012-06-29 17:45 | Permalink

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Muchas Gracias !!! Yo soy de esos descendientes de Mariana Clara Casilda
Ortega y Maldonado casada con Francisco Garcia de Alba y Ruiz y creo que
por mas de una rama-

Me encantaría encontrar el documento que la una con Antonio de Ortega!!

Muchas Gracias por compartir la información!

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:46 PM, wrote:

> Hello everyone! Just as I found out about the sixteenth-century patriarch
> of the García de Alba family a while back, I have also found the Ortega
> patriarch of that same century. For those of you who have Casilda de Ortega
> Maldonado or Catalina de Ortega Maldonado (both sisters) in your family
> trees, let me inform you that they are both descendants of Antonio de
> Ortega, encomendero and landowner of Colima. I found this out, because
> meanwhile scanning previews of "Ameca protofundación mexicana", I found
> this excerpt:
> "En 1581 obtuvo del virrey conde de Coruña, en Ixtlanejo, un sitio para
> ganado mayor, don Antonio de Ortega; este poblador lo fue

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Hola Marthaharo,

Así como Salvador Agraz comentó, Antonio de Ortega y Guillén fue el bisabuelo de Casilda de Ortega Maldonado. Esto fue dado a conocer por la investigación extensa y valiosa realizada por don Gabriel Agraz García de Alba, historiador de Tecolotlán y de otros sujetos históricos nacionales. Esta información también se incluyó por don Jesús Amaya Topete, el historiador amequense, en su libro "Ameca protofundación mexicana". Acabo de encontrar esto, porque yo no lo sabía, pero me alegro de que Salvador nos dijo que don Antonio de Ortega fue bisabuelo de Casilda.

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me abre la pagina de nuestrosranchos pero no me deja ver el archivo.

Mil gracias por tus molestias!

2012/7/20

> Hola Martha,
>
> Subi varias paginas que "escanie" del libro Ameca Protofundacion que
> menciona a los Ortega Maldonado en: http://www.nuestrosranchos.**
> com/en/node/20805
> Revisa a ver si esta. Mi compu actuó como que busco el archivo, y lo
> subio pero no lo veo. Son tan solo 651kb y no llega ni a un Mb. Suerte,
>
> topete
>

My First Identified Spanish Ancestor

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With the help of Armando, I have identified my first connection back to Spain.

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Published by mendezdetorres – Mon, 2012-07-16 08:00 | Permalink

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Roy,

Congrats! What a find, I am not too familiar with the Choperena family, but it has been established that they are Navarrense, It is also important to look for his Dispensa de Ultramarino in the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, a document in which a foreigner or peninsular had to receive permission in order to marry in New Spain. That document will give you lots of new insight in the life of D. Pedro de Choperena, who he was, where he traveled and what he did.

Best of luck,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
São Paulo, Brasiln

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Thank you Daniel...
I've since found another connections back to Spain:

Juan Martin Suares del Real from Reinos de Castilla and h/w Lorenza de la Madera.
Hernado de Escobedo from Toledo and h/w Mari Illescas y Diaz.
Pedro Sanchez from Sevilla and h/w Margarita de Covarrubias.

So where do I search for the Dispensa's?

Saludos,
Roy

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Roy,

My great-grandfather was born in Spain and his Información Matrimonial has
a lot of the information that can be found in the Dispensa. However, you
should attempt to acquire both records.

The Dispenas are found in the Matrimonios of Guadalajara found at
http://goo.gl/z61Za

Claudia Casillas and other contributors are indexing the names in the
Dispensas at posting them at http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/. The
surname Choperena doesn't show up in the index yet (I would have already
told you if it did) so you would have to go page by page in every single
volume that includes the year 1801 in order to find the Dispensa to find it
yourself. If you are going to take time to do that please index the page
and names found in each volume and send that info to Claudia.

Saludos,
Armando

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:24 PM, wrote:

> Thank you Daniel...
> I've since found another connections back to Spain:
>
> Juan Martin Suares del Real from Reinos de Castilla and h/w Lorenza de la
>

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Armando,
Are the Dispensas de Ultramarinos found within the regular Matrimonial listings, or are they listed differently?  Thanks,  Alice

--- On Thu, 7/19/12, Armando wrote:

From: Armando
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dispensa de Ultramarino
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 3:42 AM

Roy,

My great-grandfather was born in Spain and his Información Matrimonial has
a lot of the information that can be found in the Dispensa. However, you
should attempt to acquire both records.

The Dispenas are found in the Matrimonios of Guadalajara found at
http://goo.gl/z61Za

Claudia Casillas and other contributors are indexing the names in the
Dispensas at posting them at http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/. The
surname Choperena doesn't show up in the index yet (I would have already
told you if it did) so you would have to go page by page in every single
volume that includes the year 1801 in order to find the Dispensa to find it
yourself. If you are going to

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They are found within the regular Matrimonial listings and are included in
the indexes at http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com Ultramarino is a term
for a person from overseas. Ultramar means overseas. You can see all of the
dispensas indexed for people from spain by searching for the word spain.
http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/search?q=spain

The dispensa for Juan Martín Suárez del Real and Teresa de Soto is at the
following link:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-17458-14?cc=1874591&wc…

Regards
Armando

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Armando,
> Are the Dispensas de Ultramarinos found within the regular Matrimonial
> listings, or are they listed differently? Thanks, Alice
>
> --- On Thu, 7/19/12, Armando wrote:
>
>
> From: Armando
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dispensa de Ultramarino
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 3:42 AM
>
>
> Roy,
>
> My great-grandfather was born in Spain and his

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Thanks so much, Armando.  Am I to understand that all Ultramarino's were required to be granted a dispensa?  If so, it would be great!  All my 1700's Spanish greatgrandfather's should be listed.  Thanks again,  Alice

--- On Thu, 7/19/12, Armando wrote:

From: Armando
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dispensa de Ultramarino
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 9:25 PM

They are found within the regular Matrimonial listings and are included in
the indexes at http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com Ultramarino is a term
for a person from overseas. Ultramar means overseas. You can see all of the
dispensas indexed for people from spain by searching for the word spain.
http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/search?q=spain

The dispensa for Juan Martín Suárez del Real and Teresa de Soto is at the
following link:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-17458-14?cc=1874591&wc…

Regards
Armando

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

>

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Published by Armando – Wed, 2012-07-11 14:30 | Permalink

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Roy,

Joaquín was born in Spain. The marriage document says he was "Español
celibato de 30 años de edad natural de los Reinos de Castilla en el de
Nabarra Obispado de Pamplona en la villa de Aranas h.l. de D. Pedro Jose
Choperena y de D. Maria Bautista Yndart." Natural in this case means
originally. The información matrimonial should also have information from
Spain that the priest in Totatiche would have requested for verification
for him to have an auto (license) to marry.

The marriage of D. Pedro Jose Choperena y de D. Maria Bautista Yndart took
place exactly on 25 Feb 1759 in Aranaz, Navarra.

Armando

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, wrote:

> With the help of Armando, I have identified my first connection back to
> Spain. About 1759, Pedro de Choperena of Aranaz, Navarra, Spain married to
> Maria Bauptista de Yndart. Upon reaching Mexico, she gave birth to Juaquin
> Choperena born 1771 in Totatiche, Jalisco. Juaquin married Victoriana
> Martinez on 16 Sep 1801.
>
> I have

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Please help me read grandfathers death entry

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After much searching, I have finally found my 4th great grandfather's death registration in the Church records. That is the good news.

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Published by luissche – Thu, 2012-07-19 17:45 | Permalink

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Hi Linda, I believe this is what it says:

"En esta Santa Iglesia Parroquia de Tecpatitlan en veinte y dos de Henero (sic) de mil setecientos ochenta y cinco años: Yo, el presbítero Don José Manuel Olachea como cura interino, dí sepultura eucarística con entierro mayor, cruz alta, siriales, capa, vigilia y misa de cuerpo presente, entierro de cinco pesos, a Don Juachin Romero, español, casado que fue con Doña María Anastasia (?) Gómez. Murio de Tabardillo en este pueblo. Recibió los santos sacramentos de penitencia y extrema unción y para que conste lo firmé.
José Manuel Olachea (rubric)"

Tabardillo is typhus, I think.

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Thank you. I saw that it was the 22nd of January, 1785, but didn't know what preceded his name. It looks like a better than average funeral paid for by his wife Maria Antonia Gomez. If you are correct in your assumption, it looks like he died of typhus at home. Sad, because his last child was born 8 months later.

As for the word "cuadrillero", I don't know where I came up with that. I must have combined two words while trying to use a translator.

Thank you, again. I appreciate your help. Now, if I only knew how to find where he came from...

Linda

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Victor M Gomez

HOLA,

ESPERO QUE TE SIRVA ESTA INFORMACION

NICOLAS JOAQUIN ROMERO DE CHAVEZ, HIJO DE FRANCISCO XAVIER ROMERO DE CHAVEZ Y GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO Y DE SU ESPOSA MA EFIGENIA DE ALDRETE DE LA MORA Y HURTADO DE MENDOZA. NACIDO EN TEPATITLAN, TE DEBO LA FECHA EXACTA, DESPUES TE LA PASO.

NICOLAS JOAQUIN ROMERO, CASO DOS VECES, POR LO QUE YO TENGO REGISTRADO, LA PRIMERA CON MARIA ANNA DE SANTIAGO PEREZ DE VARGAS Y DE LA MORA HURTADO DE MENDOZA, NACIDA EN 1723 HIJA DE PEDRO DOMINGO PEREZ DE VARGAS Y DE FRANCISCA DE LA MORA HURTADO DE MENDOZA, SE CASARON EL 8 DE JUNIO DE 1751 EN TEPATITLAN.

SU SEGUNDO MATRIMONIO FUE CON MARIA ANTONIA GOMEZ DE LA MOTA Y GOMEZ HURTADO DE MENDOZA, HIJA DE JOSEPH DE SANTIAGO GOMEZ DE LA MOTA Y DE MARGARITA GOMEZ HURTADO DE MENDOZA, EL 9 DE MAYO DE 1768 EN TEPATITLAN.

Haciendas y Ranchos de Santa Anita 1767 – 1794

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Que tal Amigos;
Sigo con el proyecto genealogico de Santa Anita, Jalisco.

Les comparto este enlace.

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Published by ROCIO_I_PADILLA_C – Thu, 2012-07-19 16:00 | Permalink

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SOLO PARA ANIMARTE Y APOYARTE QUE TU TRABAJO, TIEMPO Y DEDICACIÓN SERÁ GRATIFICADO .....SIGUE CON ESE SERVICIO VERÓNICA FELICIDADES ¡¡¡¡YO TAMBIEN AMO A STA. ANITA Y MÁS A NUESTRO MÉXICO.

More on Jerez - Vialpando/Billalpando/Villalpando

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Mr/Ms Hernandez ---------(sorry I don't know your name, you did not sign your post),

I checked Family Search for all the Villalpandos/Vialpandos listed for Spain and they all originated in Valla

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Published by gpf13 – Tue, 2011-08-09 21:15 | Permalink

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Emily

Do you have information on Tomas Villalpando who married (1) Maria de Vargas (m 1677), and later (2) Maria de Jaen (or de Sotelo) (m 1690), in Aguascalientes? There are several children by the first wife, and numerous others by the second. Apparently he is from Leon, Guanajuato.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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Maria de Vargas was also known as Maria de Heredia. I have not identified her parents yet, but
is probably related to Angela and Maria de Heredia daughters of Alonso de Heredia and
Antonia de Caceres who later married Bartolome Garcia de Leon.

Daniel Méndez Camino

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I uploaded a doc on my Vialpando line. All are from New Mexico except Juan de Villa el Pando that married Urusla Olaes and his son Juan de Villalpando that is supposed to be from Jerez.

Amalia Hernandez Arias

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George,

No, I don't know about a Tomas Villalpando. I only recently found out that my husband's gggg-grandparents, Nicolas Garcia and Maria de San Juan were not Indians, they were espanoles, and Maria de San Juan did have a surname that the records didn't always include. I found so many couples named Nicolas Garcia and Maria de San Juan, and I picked the wrong one. She used several surnames---Trillo, Villalpando, Belasco, etc. We finally found out that she was born to Antonio Trillo and Mariana Villalpando in Aguascalientes. Mariana's parents were Diego Villalpando and Ysabel Losano de Gardea. Mariana had siblings named Gertrudis, Joseph and Christobal, but no Tomas, not that I have found. I didn't find any of my husband's in Leon, Guanajuato.

The reason I was checking the Family Search indexes for Vialpando/Villalpando/Billalpando in various states in Mexico is that one of our members wanted to know where Villa de Leon was, and I saw on the index that most of the

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Emily

Thank you very much for the reply. I haven't had a chance to look at the early Leon, GTO records yet, but I plan to do so.

By the way, I'm working on the next installment of Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations. My goal is to get to the 1740s (I'm in the mid 1720s at the moment) when the marriage records are consistently more complete and provide the names of the parents of the couple being married. When done, I'll post these with the others.

I've gotten side tracked on another problem: the Lara family of San Francisco del Rincon, GTO.

george Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Published by 1traviesa – Tue, 2011-08-09 15:06 | Permalink

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I have a translation of a marriage document that was done in 1694 that the name of the Villa was not totally legible...it says Juan de Villa el pando native of La Villa de Con(il?). I have cousins that our great great grandfathers were brothers that have reserched for many years also and most reserchers have interpreted this as La Villa de Leon...I am new on here so have not yet posted my ged.

Yes that tree on family search is my line...I can upload the actual marriage document so you can take a look but is hard to read.

Amalia Hernandez Arias

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Yes we have several people here in this group who are good at reading documents from the 17th century. I would like to see it too.

Emilie

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: hernandezmol@msn.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 15:06:56 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] More on Jerez -
>
> I have a translation of a marriage document that was done in 1694 that the name of the Villa was not totally legible...it says Juan de Villa el pando native of La Villa de Con(il?). I have cousins that our great great grandfathers were brothers that have reserched for many years also and most reserchers have interpreted this as La Villa de Leon...I am new on here so have not yet posted my ged.
>
> Yes that tree on family search is my line...I can upload the actual marriage document so you can take a look but is hard to read.
>
> Amalia Hernandez Arias

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Where do I go on the site to upload it?

Amalia Hernandez Arias

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Amalia, Emile, George et al.

The document reads

The margin reads “Nuevo México. . .1718”

“ Ambrocio de Villalpando vesino originario de la villa de Santa Fe
yjo lexítimo de Juan de Villalpando originario de la villa de Géres, lla
difunto y de Ana María Truxillo vesina de dha villa de Santa Fe. . .contraer matrimonio según orden de Nstra. Sta. Madre Yglesia con María Romero vesina de la villa de Santa Fe yja lexítima de Juan Romero lla difunto y de Pascuala Básques vesinos de dha
villa. . .

Based on all my years of research, I like many others; doubt this “Villa de Géres” was Xérez de la Frontera. I have seen so many records and every time it mentions Xérez, Spain is always named Xéres de la Frontera and usually makes a mention of Reynos de Castilla. In reality I believe Juan de Villalpando was from Villa de Xérez in Zacatecas like so many New Mexican families can trace their origins to northern Mexico. There seems to be a problem with researchers jumping into conclusions; such

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Thank you george...I have the 2 volume set on that i downloaded it free from the Arichives. com website. I have another document that is a interpretation from the Diligencias matrimonias of Fray Angelico Chavez. Thats where i got the Villa de Con(il?) from, I got the original document that he interpreted it from the Archives at Santa Fe, however the testimony of the bride and groom are missing. I have a woman at the Archdioces of Santa Fe looking for a complete copy for me.
Thats awesome how you could makes sense of what was written in the margin..thank you so much, I can continue my research in Zacatecas...Oh and all the familys mentiond in your post I am also related to...so i wonder where ours ties together.

Amalia Hernandez Arias

Published by meef98367 – Thu, 2011-08-11 15:15 | Permalink

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Amalia,

You actually downloaded all the images from the two volumes in the Spanish Archives in Santa Fe?
Or is it a transcription of the records there? Can you give me the link?

Also, in the meantime, can you send the incomplete copy of the original record where it says that Juan Villalpando was from "Villa de Leon" to a file in Nuestros Ranchos? Or if you have the .jpg file in your computer, can you send it to me, George and Daniel? It was Daniel that translated the Ambrosio document for us.

You can't send attachments to NR, only links, or you can upload a file to Nuestros Ranchos.

I have Fray Angelico's book "Origins of New Mexico Families", and the transcription for the marriage of Juan de Villa El Pando in there says simply that he was from "La Villa de Leon", not from any Villa de Conil or whatever. I do see though that he gives Juan's wife's name as Ana Maria Romero, when the marriage of his son Ambrosio gives his wife's name as Ana Maria Trujillo. I kept

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In the origins he refrences the Diligencias Matrimonias...thats what I uploaded also that says Villa de Con(il?) so i dont know where he got Leon. Yes that is the link to the pdf books, I got so many free refrences there including entire rolls of Census for the United State all in PDF form. Love that site!!!

Amalia Hernandez Arias

Published by meef98367 – Fri, 2011-08-12 13:15 | Permalink

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Amalia,

Yes, I know that Fray Angelico referenced the DM for the Villapando in his book (he quoted his sources as footnotes). He read the entry as "Villa de Leon" as he stated in his ONMF book. Someone else who did a transcription for the PDF files read the entry as Villa de Con (il?). I said in another post that I thought it read Villa de Leon (not Con) and the "il?" is an abbreviation for iho legitimo, since the names of his parents appear immediately after.

I was hoping that either George or Daniel would verify what I think it really says. You said you were waitng for the complete copy of the DM or Marriage, so you don't have even the part that says "Villa de Leon" that someone thinks says "Villa de Con (il?)"?

The two links you sent before were both for Ambrosio; I didn't see the image for Juan Villalpando that supposedly says "Villa de Con (il?)".

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: hernandezmol@msn.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011

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Im still waiting for the first page of Juan's marriage from the Arch of Santa Fe. The link posted in a whole seperate post. It has the typed version of the dilligencias.
Amalia Hernandez Arias

Published by gpf13 – Thu, 2011-08-11 16:16 | Permalink

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Thank you for the kind words; however, I think they go to Daniel!!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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It is an honor being able to help others in this quest, I am glad I can be of some help. Genealogy has
not only become a hobby on the side, but has become a passion.

Thank you george for the links for the Spanish Archives of New Mexico, I will ensure a great
spot in my family's archives.

Daniel Méndez Camino

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I too have Villalpando on my mother's side. I'm still not sure where they came from but they appear
in Sierra de Pinos in 1751 where they baptize a daughter. They are linked to Matehuala, SLP and
Guadalajara, Jal. Very probably they were merchants/commercialist.

My 6th great grandfather Capt. Joseph Victor de Camino y Trasgallo married Josefa Gertrudis
Fernandez de Villalpando, she was baptized in San Matias, Sierra de Pinos, Zac on 16 Jan 1762
and married in the same place 30 Nov 1783. She was daughter of Joseph Nolasco Fernandez de
Villalpando, (I suspect he was a merchant and a peninsular) and Maria Manuela Mendez-Hidalgo
who appears to be linked to Santa Maria del Rio, SLP.

Josefa's brother Joseph Maria Fernandez de Villalpando worked closely with Francisco de Fagoaga,
I marques del Apartado in Mexico City and Puebla.

All this Villalpando talk recently has sparked my interest in following this line that I know so little about.

any help is appreciated.

Daniel

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Jose Raphael Romo and Maria Olaya Gutierrez

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Hello

I have found a marriage dispensation from 1796 for
Jose Raphael Romo,Puesto de Sausillo, age 27,son of Antonio Romo and Mariana de Alba:

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Thanks to both of you for the tips!

For the marriage of Joseph Raphael Romo to Maria Olaya Gutierrez, both spanish, in Encarnacion de Diaz on 27 april 1796, here is the link to the image, should anyone else be interested:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-58623-19?cc=1874591&wc…

I am not much wiser, except for two things:

1. no mention of a previous marriage to Ma Casilda Rafaela Aguilar Chaves
2. no don/dona titles (the Raphael Romo who moved to Coahuila was referred to as Don, as were his descendents)among the parents or padrinos.

Incidentally, I came across another Raphael Romo, spanish, same place, same time,(BUT son of Joseph Romo and Luisa de Medina) who married (10 Aug 1796)a woman named Maria de los Dolores Gonzales, spanish (hija natural of Maria Antonia Gonzales). Again, no mention of a previous marriage and no titles - see link below:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-58626-58?cc=1874591&wc…

The Manuel Romo whose

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Hi Armando

My next question would have been, where the heck is La Chona, but you have already answered that in a previous post!I have copied it below for anyone else who might be wondering...

Thanks again for taking the time to help with my questions.

Regards
Denise

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The Romo's of

Submitted by Armando on Fri, 2010-04-23 10:30.

Hello Paul,

I imagine, and in no way certain, that it went like this - La Encarnación
became La Encarnachon which became La Chona. Just like Jesus became Chus or
Chuy and Luisa became Licha and so on.

Armando

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Paul J Gomez wrote:

> Armando,
>
> My maternal grandparents were born in Encarnacion de Diaz. What is the
> origination of the nickname "La Chona"?
>
> Paul Gomez
> Rancho Cucamonga, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> fandemma@gmail

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Hello Bill,

Joseph Rafael Romo Alba was baptized in Aguascalientes which is why she was
going to look in that area. She is trying to find out which one of the
following two is the one that married María Olaya Gutierrez and also which
one is her ancestor.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NBQ8-FBN

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NTMP-BZK

Would you happen to have copies of these baptisms? They are not found
online as far as I can tell. They were grandchildren of my ancestors Miguel
Romo de Vivar and Ana Macías Valadez.

The furthest ancestor that Denise can find was mentioned as being from
Aguascalientes even though there is a possibility he was actually from La
Chona.

Saludos,
Armando

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Bill Figueroa wrote:

> Hello Denise,
>
> Joseph Rafael Romo and María Olaya Gutierrez wed 27 Apr 1796 in
> Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco. They were not from Rincón de Romos. Here is
> the link:
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.1.1/JZJN-5QV
>
>

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Armando and Denise,

The following are the links for the baptisms of 1) Joseph Rafael Prudencio
Romo and 2) Joseph Rafael Silvestre Romo:

1)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11122-68534-72?cc=1410092&…

2)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11122-68606-73?cc=1410092&…

Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA

Rancho Mesillas, Tepezala AGS

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Does anyone have information on Rancho Mesillas, Tepezala Aguascalientes?
My great grandfather supposedly owned that ranch. It was where my Mother
was born. Thanks!

San cristobal de la barranca?

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Hello,

I need help if I am looking for a baptism record from 1872 in San cristobal on Family Search which town in Jalisco would I start?

They have:

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Published by juan_francisco… – Thu, 2012-07-12 19:08 | Permalink

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Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez

San Cristobal de la Barranca in in jalisco state near Zapopan, Garcia de la Cadena Zacatecas, Mezquital del Oro etc.

You can search directly in church records or civil records.

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Hola Juan Francisco:
Te comento que acaban de subir records de la Estanzuela (Garcia de la Cadena) Zacatecas ,encontre varios records de mis ancestros y tambien he visto varios de los tuyos,(Sanchez)
en el Rancho la Tetilla,tambien vi en el Mezquital del Oro,deverias darle una mirada,Saludos

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: juan.alvarez@sanmina-sci.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:08:34 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] San Cristobal de la Barranca
>
> Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez
>
> San Cristobal de la Barranca in in jalisco state near Zapopan, Garcia de la Cadena Zacatecas, Mezquital del Oro etc.
>
> You can search directly in church records or civil records.

Changing surnames

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I have come across an interesting situation with one branch of my family the baptism record and marriage record show my 2nd great grandmother as Maria Matilde Medel (born 1833 in San Miguel el Alto, J

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rmcneal,

I have a similar situation with my Paternal Grandmother's line. Her last name is "Ceja" from Las Zarquillas, Villamar, Michoacan. Rumors/family stories say her family's orignal last name was "Zamora" and that they changed it to "Ceja" during La Cristeada war or Mexican revolution because they were being persecuted by the goverment, but I have discovered that they (my ancestors) have been alternating Ceja & Zamora for some generations before the Mexican revolution. Some of my ancestors were baptized "Ceja" and marry as "Zamora" and vice-versa. I've found many documents altenating these 2 last names during the 1800's. I honestly have no idea why they did it, hope to one day find out.

Saludos,
Roberto Hdez

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Hola Roberto,

I am just going to get started on the Ceja name. One of my aunts Teresa
Mendoza married Alfredo Ceja in Guadalajara where they presently reside.
His father was Roman Ceja Godinez married to Soledad Diaz. This is just
the beginning I have for this family.
-Esther Jordan Lopez

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:12 AM, wrote:

> rmcneal,
>
> I have a similar situation with my Paternal Grandamother's line. Her last
> name is "Ceja" from Las Zarquillas, Villamar, Michoacan. Rumors/family
> stories say her family's orignal last name was "Zamora" and that they
> changed it to "Ceja" during La Cristeada war or Mexican revolution because
> they were being persecuted by the goverment, but I have discovered that
> they (my ancestors) have been alternating Ceja & Zamora for some
> generations before the Mexican revolution. Some of my ancestors were
> baptized "Ceja" and marry as "Zamora" and vice-versa. I've found many
> documents altenating these 2 last names during the 1800's. I

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Hi Esther,

I have not placed all the pieces together on my "Ceja" line, becuase I have been busy/focused on my direct paternal line, the Hernandez from Ayo el chico & La Barca, Jalisco. But I can almost "bet" that your research on the "Ceja" line, will take you to the Villamar, Jiquilpan, Guaracha, Zamora & Sahuayo Michoacan Archives. I'm not sure if that's where early Ceja families first establised, but there sure is a lot of "Cejas" in that region of Michoacan (Region Cienega/Near Chapala lake). Hope we can make some connections, though I don't have much info on this line yet.

Saludos,
Roberto Hdez

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My wifes family also interchanged de la Santa Cruz and lomelin. I found out that it was because an ancestor was born out of wedlock so he used his mothers surname de la Santa Cruz but her grandchildren used both surnames and the siblings branches off with some family members choosing one or the other surname. These lomelin and Santa cruz were from Sam Juan de Los Lagos and Sam Miguel el alto Jalisco
Rick A Ricci

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Esther Jordan wrote:

> ROHernandez@safrdig.com> wrote:

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Rmcneal,

Yes - I have come across situations like this and it can be very
frustrating. The further back you go the more variations you will find with
surnames. It is not uncommon for siblings to use different surnames,
sometimes it is simple like using the mother's surname instead of the
fathers, but other times they use the name of a grandparent so it looks like
the name came out of nowhere.

-Angelina-

Images, periodicals, etc

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Hello All,

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Hello: please tell me where you found the passport photos link on family search. I have found good information from freedom on information act request to US Citizenshlip and Immigration services some papers included passport pictures and in their own words some of my ancestors history (those of recent years and those who migrated to the US). I also came across a Who's Who in Mexico book at the University of Texas at Austin with a quick reference to one of my ancestors who was a doctor. Hope this helps. Anita

> From: ochoafam4@rocketmail.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Images, periodicals, etc
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thursday, July 12, 2012, 2:15 PM
> Hello All,
>
> I was just wondering if there is a particular database,
> resource, etc to find pictures or images. To match the name
> with a face of some kind? Does anyone know if a fruitful
> online resource for finding pictures or images for these
> ancestors? I have found many passport photos through

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Hello Anita,

From the Search Results page in the Family Search database you can select the drop down menu by clicking the little triangular icon to the right of the persons name, this will reveal more info i.e. DOB, arrival date, port, and other details, on that list it will say "record has photo" followed by yes or no. If there is a photo all you have to do is click on the name of the person and there is usually a link on the following page where you can download the record with photo (though you may have to sign in/create account etc). However if the image is not available the page will give you more details, film # etc. to facilitate an independent search and browse through of images and then all you have to do is find the records and go page by page to search for you relevant document/pictures.
Hope that helps!

MAZO

Proyecto de GuadalajaraDispensas.com Project

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Hola todos--
Me gustaría recordarles que el esfuerzo no es solo mio, sino también de varios voluntarios que han ofrecido su tiempo para el beneficio de todos nosotros.

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ME ENCANTARIA PARTICIPAR, COMO NOS PODEMOS CONTACTAR ? MI NOMBRE ES ROCIO I PADILLA.

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: guadalajaradispensas@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:09:16 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Proyecto de GuadalajaraDispensas.com Project
>
> Hola todos--
> Me gustaría recordarles que el esfuerzo no es solo mio, sino también de varios voluntarios que han ofrecido su tiempo para el beneficio de todos nosotros.
>
> Si hay otros aquí que puedan contribuir--favor de ponerse en contacto conmigo.
>
>
> Saludos,
> -Claudia
>
>

Marcelo Gutierres de Leon

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There is an entry in the GEDCOM database for Marcelo Gandara, b: abt 1790.

He is my 4th Great Grandfather. However I find his entry is incomplete and somewhat incorrect.

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Rita Juliana de Leon is my 1st cousin (6x removed)and she's a direct descendant of Manuel de Leon and Josepha de Escobedo, my 6th and 7th GGPs. My e-mail is josecarlos1944@hotmail.com if you want to compare notes with me.

Jose Carlos de Leon

FW: Alvarez Campos

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Juan de Dios Alvarez es hijo de Juan Antonio Alvarez y Rita Serrano y Rafaela Campos de Antonio Campos y Maria Francisca Castañeda segun el acta de matrimonio del 15 mayo 1793

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Published by October Fly (not verified) – Sun, 2012-07-15 06:16 | Permalink

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Gracias por esta informacion. Creo que somos familiares.

Published by siriuslr – Sat, 2011-01-29 19:15 | Permalink

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From: siriuslr@hotmail.com
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: RE: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alvarez Campos
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:02:29 -0600

Juan Antonio Alvares
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950

spouse:
Prudencia Rita Serrano

marriage:
21 May 1759 — Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico

record title:
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950

groom's name:
Juan Antonio Alvares

bride's name:
Prudencia Rita Serrano

marriage date:
21 May 1759

marriage place:
Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,Zacatecas,Mexico

indexing project (batch) number:
M60714-1

system origin:
Mexico-ODM

source film number:
443969

Juan Antonio Alvares Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950

spouse:
Prudencia Rita Serrano

marriage:
21 May 1759 — Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico

record title:
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950

groom's name:
Juan Antonio Alvares

bride's name:
Prudencia Rita Serrano

marriage date:
21 May 1759

marriage place:
Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman

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entonces queda como sigue:

Ana Francisca Campos esposa de Jose Maria Alvarez hija de Francisco Campos y Ana Cornejo, Ana Coenejo hija de Rafael Cornejo y de Mathiana Servantes Carlos ( bautizaron una hija en colotlan jalisco)

Jose Maria Alvarez hijo de Juan de Dios Alvarez y de Rafaela Campos, Juan de dios Hijo de Juan Antonio Alvarez y de Prudenciana Rita Serrano, Rita Serrano hija de Vicente Serrano y de Josefa Miramontes, Vicente hijo de Bartholome Cerrano y de Margarita Bonifacia
Josefa de Miramontes ( cr.13 apr 1717) hija de Antonio Miramontes y de Teresa Muñoz

y Rafaela campos esposa de Juan de Dios hija de Antonio Campos y de Francisca Castañeda tengo un par de imagenes de los archivos pero no suben los adjuntos a nuestros ranchos.. Lety R

New Member Intro- Perez/Rodriguez Family from Jerez de Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas

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Hi everyone, I am excited to be here on this journey to finding my family roots!

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Debra, I've gone through the 1904 and 1905 marriages in Jerez and can't find Jesus Perez and Refugio Rodriguez.. are you sure they married in Jerez, Zac?
Linda in B.C.

________________________________
From: "thyme2be@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 8:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Intro- Perez/Rodriguez Family from Jerez de Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas

Hi everyone, I am excited to be here on this journey to finding my family roots!
I am not sure how to begin and keep everything as organized as possible for my own peace of mind.  I have spent a couple of days at the local lds center attempting to decipher the records. Any tips that you might share will be appreciated.

(I will post another intro with family from Aguascalientes)

Debra Perez

Jesus Perez abt. 1883  married around 1905-1905 Refugia Rodriguez abt. 1882
Jerez Zacatecas

Children:

Luis Perez abt.1905

Pillar Perez abt.1906

Jesus Perez abt. 1907

Jose

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Debra, I'm going through the 1905 marriage dispensations, if I find anything on Jesus Perez and Refugia Rodriguez I will let you know. I don't have anything on them in my files.... yet..
Linda in B.C.

________________________________
From: "thyme2be@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 8:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Intro- Perez/Rodriguez Family from Jerez de Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas

Hi everyone, I am excited to be here on this journey to finding my family roots!
I am not sure how to begin and keep everything as organized as possible for my own peace of mind.  I have spent a couple of days at the local lds center attempting to decipher the records. Any tips that you might share will be appreciated.

(I will post another intro with family from Aguascalientes)

Debra Perez

Jesus Perez abt. 1883  married around 1905-1905 Refugia Rodriguez abt. 1882
Jerez Zacatecas

Children:

Luis Perez abt.1905

Pillar Perez abt.1906

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Success! Error in record Castaneda not Castanon

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Hey everyone,

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I should have mention  Gregorio and his siblings were born in Ciudad Zacatecas. I have  Gregorio bapt. May 1859 Sixto bapt. April 1861 and Pedro bapt. Feb 1863 all baptisms in Ciudad Zacatecas.
Linda Castanon-Long

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From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 1:13 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Success! Error in record Castaneda not Castanon

Hey everyone,
Just want to share a find.  I'm looking for Castaneda in Jerez, Zac.  I came across a Tomas Castanon with parents Gregorio Castanon and Isabel Galvan in Ermita de los Correas, which are the names of my great-grandmother's parents.  On a hunch, I looked up the baptismal record and found all the right names, including grandparents. The priest made a mistake on the paternal last name!  I feel like Sherlock Holmes.  :-)

Still haven't found my great-grandmother Vita Castaneda Galvan, but I've found some of her brothers. Time for bed...

Laura

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good for you!  I am Castanon and find Castaneda all the time.. here is one more record just in case you don't have it. This is as far back as I go on this line..
happy hunting and I do understand you feelings.
Linda Castanon-Long
 baptism 31 May 1886 in Jerez, Zac
Gregorio born in el Tesorero 9 May 1886 8am
parents: Gregorio Castaneda and Ysabel Galvan
pat grn: Juan Castaneda and Jesus Segobia
mat grn: Toribio Galvan and Margarita Marquez
godparents: Hipolito Sosa and Ysidra Castaneda
source: 0439861 film
page 376 Family search online pilot program

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From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 1:13 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Success! Error in record Castaneda not Castanon

Hey everyone,
Just want to share a find.  I'm looking for Castaneda in Jerez, Zac.  I came across a Tomas Castanon with parents Gregorio Castanon and Isabel Galvan in Ermita de los Correas, which are the names of my great

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Congratulations! This success points out a very good rule of thumb. Either
the scribes, priest, and/or the people who are transcribing the records can
make mistakes. Always go to the source material to confirm.

Joseph

=========================

Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of mayangrl@sonic.net
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:14 AM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Success! Error in record Castaneda not
Castanon
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Just want to share a find. I'm looking for Castaneda in Jerez, Zac. I
came across a Tomas
> Castanon with parents Gregorio Castanon and Isabel Galvan in Ermita de los
Correas,
> which are the names of my great-grandmother's parents. On a hunch, I
looked up the
> baptismal record and found all the right names, including grandparents.
The

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Joseph,

You're exactly right. I also found a relative who was listed as Antonio instead of Antonia, and was listed as a boy as well. Not all records show up at familysearch.org either; I went searching for my grandmother just based on birth place and date, and found her.

Laura Gonzalez

The French and Mariachis

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Erlinda,

I have run into this assertion quite often and it has never been true in my area (except a couple of times)for most people.

I have no idea why this vexing myth continues.

< I was al

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I have loved Mariachi music for some time since my husband introduced it to me years ago. I got to go to a large mariachi music concert in Las Vegas with my mother- and father-in-law years ago, and I had a wonderful time. As I speak very little Spanish, I don't understand the words, but I really enjoy the music and the singing.

I noticed a real similarity between Mariachi music and German "Oomm Pah Pah" music and mentioned it to my mother-in-law. She said that was possible because there were a lot of German settlers in Jalisco as well as other parts of Mexico. (I did remember seeing a graveyard in Central Baja where all the names were German!)

Does anyone think that there could be a connection between the German music and Mariachi music? I hear the German music every year at Oktoberfest and it really reminds me of the Mariachi music, too. However, it doesn't have the emotion or heart that Mariachi music has in it!

Kathleen Hargrove Gutierrez

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Yes

German polkas do sound a lot like the mariachi sound. In the state of Sonora next to Baja, I see some French names, but I don't know when they emigrated to Mexico. Perhaps Germans settled near there too.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: kathy_gutierrez@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:20:55 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mariachi Music Origins
>
> I have loved Mariachi music for some time since my husband introduced it to me years ago. I got to go to a large mariachi music concert in Las Vegas with my mother- and father-in-law years ago, and I had a wonderful time. As I speak very little Spanish, I don't understand the words, but I really enjoy the music and the singing.
>
> I noticed a real similarity between Mariachi music and German "Oomm Pah Pah" music and mentioned it to my mother-in-law. She said that was possible because there were a lot of German settlers in Jalisco as well as other parts of Mexico. (I did

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You are confusing Mariachi music and Norteño music. Mariachi music is
identified as being from Jalisco. There is no evidence that Mariachi was
influenced by Germans. Norteño music is just that, northern, and doesn't
have a place in a discussion of the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas and
Aguascalientes.

Armando

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM, wrote:

> I have loved Mariachi music for some time since my husband introduced it
> to me years ago. I got to go to a large mariachi music concert in Las Vegas
> with my mother- and father-in-law years ago, and I had a wonderful time. As
> I speak very little Spanish, I don't understand the words, but I really
> enjoy the music and the singing.
>
> I noticed a real similarity between Mariachi music and German "Oomm Pah
> Pah" music and mentioned it to my mother-in-law. She said that was possible
> because there were a lot of German settlers in Jalisco as well as other
> parts of Mexico. (I did remember seeing a graveyard in Central Baja where
>

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Armando,
you're correct to note the differences in music between polka-influenced Norteño (i.e., northern) music and mariachi. However, polka did influence the music of Zacatecas in the form of the "Tamborazo" genre. If you want to hear an example of this, check out a few songs from my uncle Victor Gonzalez ("El Tigre de Zacatecas") on YouTube:

1. Tus Vacasiones : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2toS9CzPHg&feature=context-chv
and
2. La Del Morral : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvUcv_muYc&feature=plcp

The Tamporazo is derived from Banda from Sinaloa, probably popularized during the revolution. Polish immigrants introduced the polka in Sinaloa and the Banda style was probably spread during the revolution in the early 20th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Mexico#Banda

Arturo

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Jose Antonio Michel
I read your posting about the myth of French blood in Jalisco. With a last name like "Michel" my father always said we descended from a French soldier who stayed in Jalisco after the Franco intervention. He knew several different versions from other Jalisiences about how their descendants spread along the Ameca or Armeria river valley all the way to Colima. I think he honestly believed it. When I started doing genealogy research in 1990, within a short time I found the Michel surname present in Jalisco as early as the mid 1500's. I think my dad was disapointed when I proved his theory or story wrong. Later I showed my father that our first ancestor in Mexico was Juan Michel Ordonez(AKA El Portugues) son of the Spanish knight Diego de San Martin who arrived with Hernan Cortez. I explained how the authors Antonio Tello(Cronica Miscelanea de Santa Provincia de Xalisco), Matias de la Mota Padilla(Historia del Reino de la Nueva Galicia), and Jose Lopez Portillo y

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Zacatecas, Zac

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Greetings to all: In reviewing my records of ancestors from Zacatecas, Zac I have the following questions and am hoping someone can help me follow thru with these leads:

Jerez Zacatecas Church Rechords

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Hello Everyone, I've been doing my research on my grandfather's Valdez, (Valdes) line. He was born in La Estancia, Tepetongo, but his line comes from Jerez (Los Cuervos).

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Published by longsjourney – Fri, 2012-07-13 08:30 | Permalink

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can you share names or dates.. I also do research in Jerez but many families are from Tepetongo or go back an forth from Jerez to Tepetongo.
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

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From: "andrewsbarbara@charter.net"
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jerez Zacatecas Church Rechords

Hello Everyone,  I've been doing my research on my grandfather's Valdez, (Valdes) line.  He was born in La Estancia, Tepetongo, but his line comes from Jerez (Los Cuervos).  I've been able to go back to my 4X gr grandfather and there the records have a very large gap.  From 1835 to beyond 1849 no records exist on Family Search. I was wondering if anyone has been successful finding records for this period.  Perhaps I've missed something.

Thanks for any help anyone can give.  It's particularly frustrating, because I think I know who my 5X gr grandfather is but need some records to confirm.

Gracias!

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Hello Linda,

I am primarily in the early to mid 1800's right now. I have some late 1700's also. As I stated my maternal grandfather was a Valdes/Berumen. But they primarily married, de la Torre's, Carlos, and Gonzales. If I can help you with any of these names, please let me know.

Thanks,
Barbara

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I am currently in Zac, Zac, it's an amazingly beautiful city. My cousin's son is graduating tomorrow from Universidad Autonima de Zacatcas. Since he's lived here for 4 years, he knows all the ins and outs and all the best eateries. I've taken lots of pictures and will find a way to share them.

Alicia

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Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez

Check this web pages

http://jerez-zacatecas.webcindario.com (web Vieja mas Completa)
http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com
http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/
http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/
http://jerezzacatecas.galeon.com/

Help reading marriage cert for Gonzales/Exqueda

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Hey everybody,

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Published by kathygutierrez53 – Thu, 2012-07-12 16:09 | Permalink

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Kathleen Gutierrez

I think I saw the groom's parents as Joaquin Gonzalez (difunto - dead) and Luila Laozonda de Harnar(?)

The bride's parents appear to be Juan Manuel de Exqueda (difunto) and Maria Antonia Antonia Sanchez Fuerontes (?).

I hope this helps a little. The spellings might be a little off, but that is what I thought I read.

Kathy Hargrove Gutierrez

Published by valdesla – Thu, 2012-07-12 09:55 | Permalink

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Luisa Lugarda de LLamas
Jose Gonzalez
Miguel Perez
Hilario Ramos

saludos:
Luis Valdes

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