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Abram

Congratulations on finding this record! It is tough to read. The essential part is, I believe:

En nochistlan dos de Enero de setensientos i siete an bapt i puso oleo a Rosa Maria ... nacio a 22 del pasado hija de Marcos Velasco i Dorothea de llamas (??) fueron PP Antto Velasco i Maria Gonzales todos espanoles de este Pheligresia

In Nochistlan, 2 Jan 1707, baptized and annoited with oil Rosa Maria born the 22 of the past [month] daughter of Marcos Velasco and Dorothea de Llamas, the godparents were Antonio Velasco and Maria Gonzales, all Spanish, of this jurisdiction

I am not sure about Dorothea's last name. The Family Search index says "de Mamas," but I've not seen this name before, I have seen "de Llamas". Perhaps what they are seeing as "M" is actually "ll". Does anyone else have another opinion?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Claudia

Thanks again for your selfless efforts! Your generosity is beyond words!!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

No es suficiente con decir gracias, por compartirnos el fruto de tan arduo y constante trabajo. pero es lo minimo que debemos hacer.

MIL GRACIAS!!!

Miguel Beltran

Can you give us the links for the marriages and the dispensa you mentioned?
I think it is appropiate for those of us that are willing to try to help
that don't have a relationship to these individuals and/or aren't studying
the Nochistlán records. It also gives us a little more time to study the
records.

Armando

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:41 AM, wrote:

> I would like to know what all of you think. I found a possible son for
> Diego and Petrona. I have: George Delgadillo,
> George Delgadillo & Clara Alvares
> Married 1 June 1698 in Nochistlan Image #90.
> Does not state Parents, but it has Padrinos as Andres Marin de Penalosa
> and Ma. de la Concepcion Delgadillo. And they married 28 July 1692 in
> Nochistlan Image #26. It states she is Diego's daughter. I found a
> Dispensa for Jose Maria Ximenes and Bacilia Sandoval, 1798 posted Feb 7
> film #168101 Image #208 that states George Delgadillo and Christoval
> Delgadillo are brothers, Christoval is the son Ygnacio Delgadillo and
>

Lisa, I'm confused,
Of you are referring to the 1798 dispensa extraction I posted on Feb 7, then Christobal is the FATHER of Ignacio, not the son; according to the tree on img 208.

I would say that dispensa from 1798 is what you should go by (for now until you have better proof). The fact that George's marriage madrina was daughter of Diego Delgadillo is not enough to assume that she was sister to his father. There could have been more than one Christobal Delgadillo at that time, and any one of them could have been George's brother.

Just my take--at first glance, although I didn't read the entire dispensa. :)

Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com

Hola! Lo maravilloso de la genealogía es que solos no podemos, la unión de las personas es lo que hace interesantes los descubrimientos.
Gracias por compartir tu trabajo, seguramente mucha gente resultará beneficiada.
Todo lo mejor,
Verónica

Hello! The great thing about genealogy is that we can not, the union of the people is what makes them interesting discoveries.
Thank you for sharing your work, surely many people will be benefited.
All the best,

En la villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos en dicho día mes i año baptizé y
puse los olios y chrisma a Basilio espl hijo lexitimo de Luis
Lopes Valdes y de Ana Lopez vesinos del rio de Santa Maria fueron padrinos
?
Francisco Aldana españoles y vesinos de esta jurisdiccion a quienes
advertí el parentesco y cognación espiritual y lo firmé
Br Miguel
Gonsales

Here the Información Matrimonial of Luis López Valdés and Ana López de Lara
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18567-29622-56?cc=1874591&wc…

Saludos
Armando

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:50 PM, wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am having a very difficult time making anything out on this baptismal
> record for Basilio Lopes Baldes, I would appreciate some help if anyone has
> the time. It is last entry on the bottom left.
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-12922-52?**
> cc=1874591&wc=12506714
>
> Thank you
> Monica Ochoa
>
>
>
> Hola,
>
> Estoy

Basilio Esl.
En la Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos en dicho dia mes y año bapte y puse los santos oleos y chrisma a Bacilio espl hijo lexmo de Luis Lopez Valdez y de Ana Lopez ? ? de Sta Maria fueron P.P. Franco. Aldana españoles y vesinos de esta juridiccion aqn. adverti el parentesco y cogn. espiritual y para que conste lo firme=
Bn Miguel Gonzalez de la Barrera

States that in the Village of Santa Maria de los Lagos in such day month and year baptized Bacilio, Spanish legitimate son of Luis Lopez Valdez and Ana Lopez ??from Santa Maria, the Godparents were Franco. Aldana Spanish and neighbors of this jurisdiction to whom I advised of the spiritual parentage and for the record I signed it==
Bn Miguel Gonzalez de la Barrera

They are my ancestors. Their marriage can be found here
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18567-40853-13?cc=1874591&wc…

Saludos
Armando

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:31 PM, wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Rancheros,
>
> I was looking for marriage records for Antonio de Abalos y Juana de Ayala
> y Gusman (Juana Gusmana) in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco for 1694 but cannot
> find any images. I know they exist because the Family Search archive has
> the record indexed under film #221512.
>
> What am I doing wrong why can't I see/find the images in the on-line
> database?
>
> Thanks for your help in advance.
>
> Monica Ochoa
>
>
> Hola Nuestros rancheros,
>
> Yo estaba buscando registros de matrimonio de Antonio de Abalos y Juana de
> Ayala y Guzmán (Juana Gusmana) en Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco del ano 1694,
> pero no puede encontrar ninguna imagen. Sé que existen porque el archivo de
> Family Search tiene el récord indexada en la película # 221512.
>
> ¿Qué estoy haciendo mal ¿por qué

Do you have a film number, not that i can read it, would just like to give it a look, sounds interesting.

Thanks,
Alicia

________________________________
From: "sgapodaca@yahoo.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 7:15 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Church Records in other languages!

I just wanted to write about something that caught my attention in the last few weeks. I used to think that Spanish was all that I needed to read Mexican church records. To my surprise, I was browsing some online films from Guachinango, Jalisco, and discovered that at a certain time, in the 1800's, whole parish books were written in Latin! Even the names of the people involved were latinized by the priest who recorded them. This caught me by surprise because I had never encountered this.

I thought, well, Latin sounds somewhat like Spanish, and I guess it won't be impossible to decipher if I ever need to look for an ancestor in one of those parish books

I have yet to see Mexican church records in Latin, but it is quite common in Austria and Czechoslovakia. With just a little Latin vocabulary, those are pretty easy to read.

George Fulton

Nochistlan, Zacatecas, 27 Jan 1885
Emeterio Delgadillo, 23 y.o, legitimate son of Gabriel Delgadillo, 48 y.o, and Leandra Yniguez, 40 y.o.
Juana Prieto, 20 y.o., legitimate daughter of Marcelino Prieto, 60 y.o. and Maria del Refugio Cruz, 50 y.o.
Witnesses: Francisco Aguayo, Jose Maria Perez

Gloria Casillas
Hola,busque el acta de matrimonio para ayudarte, pero ahi solo dice hijo de padres no conocidos, de todos modos no se si cuentas con el acta, te dejo el link https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18378-22952-8?cc=1874591&wc=…, es la ultima de la pagina

Vero:

Admiro tu dedicación por la búsqueda de tus ancestros. Me encantaría poder ayudarte pero lamentablemente no tengo la información o no tengo parentesco con los Elizalde pero por si de casualidad llegara a encontrarme con algo que pudiera serte útil te lo comunicaría con mucho gusto.

Muchas gracias por los padrones y las dispensas de Michoacán, a alguien alegrarás con tu trabajo.
Te deseo mucha suerte, sigue así, seguro los encontrarás.

Enrique Agraz