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If you go to World Cat at http://www.worldcat.org/ you can find a library that has this book.

If you search for this title, there are actually two books by this author with similar titles:

Filigranas, fundaciones y genealogías, Tepetongo, Zacs., published in 1999
and
Filigranas, fundaciones y genealogías : Jerez, 1531-1992-2006, Susticacán, 1562-1981, y Monte Escobedo 1600-1700-1995, Zacatecas, published in 2007

The website allows you to put in your zip code, and it will list the libraries closest to you in order of distance.

In my case, the closest library is in Southern California.

World Cat does not necessarily include all libraries, but only those that are part of its system.

If you live near Salt Lake City, also check the FHL catalog (this is not part of World Cat).

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Profesor Gracias por hacerme recordar viejos tiempos yo apesar de que
tengo 40 recuerdo esas frases.... la razon pues mi Padre nacio por el
año de 1911 y esas frases eran comunes en el

GRACIAS MUCHAS GRACIAS
Sergio Eduardo Alatorre Gomez

Gracias profesor por subir esas antiguas frases de la region altena. En verdad si se siguen usando y escuchando en los pueblos de la region. Recientemente escuche esta frase que utilizo mi esposa "Oye tu estas viendo Moros con tranchetes" Le pregunte sobre el origen de esta y dice que sus Abuelos y algunos ancianos del pueblo la decian. Me pregunto yo si esta frase data a la Espana medival cuando las guerras entre Cristiano y Moro? Tambien me pregunto sobre nuestra oracion Catolica "Por la senal de la Santa Cruz, de nuestros enemigos libranos Senor Dios nuestro" etc... He notado que en Ingles en USA esta oracion no se acostumbra. Sera tambien acaso de nuestra historia de Cristiano vs Moro en Espana? Simple curiosidad.
Gracias Jose A. Michel

Daniel,

Do you know if Nicolas is related to Joseph de Elisalde, md to Juana
Carrillo(6ggpts)? They had children in Teocaltiche and Mexticacan between
1713-1725.
Sabe usted si Nicolas es pariente de Joseph de Elisalde, casada con Juana
Carrillo? Tuvieron hijos in Teocaltiche y Mexticacan entre 1713-1725.

Gracias.
Raquel Ruiz

...el 6 de octubre de 1814 Nochistlán fue sitiado por un numerosísimo grupo de "gavillas insurgentes" y los soldados realistas apenas pudieron detener a los atacantes de murallas adentro, dejando abandonado lo demás de la población (28). El campamento rebelde se hizo en la Loma del Tuichi y tuvieron a su dispocisión los insurgentes la parte del pueblo que quedaba fuera de murallas, así como los ranchos cercanos.
Uno de los testigos afirma: "que el saqueo que hicieron los Insurgentes en dicho día seis de octubre de esta jurisdicción fue excesivo y general a causa de no haber podido la Tropa de esta Plaza salir de murallas afuera por ser en grandísima la diferencia mayor la fuerza del Pelotón Insurgente y más efectivo el saqueo que sufrieron los vecinos que tenían sus bienes a inmediaciones del campamento."
Igualmente hace saber que el jefe era el insurgente don Rafael Oropeza, acompañado de otros cabecillas, entre ellos Vallejo, Rodríguez y otro de apellido Hermosillo. Como se ve, la

alcabuseado quiere decir que fue fusilado por un alcabus, un tipo de arma, en estos anos aun se peleaba la guerra de independencia la quel duro de 1810 hasta 1821 cuando Iturbide se convirtion en emperador de Mexico

Adrian A. Bugarin

Danny,

Valle de Huejucar is on the northwest side of what use to be part of Zacatecas, which is now Jalisco. As you know, Jalpa is at the southern side of Zacatecas and is located in the Cañon de Juchipila.

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From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:26:21 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ramos de Oviedo (Aguascalientes, Jalpa,        Teocaltiche)

Estimado compañeros:

Aver si algún persona me puede ayudar. Tengo a mi octavo bisabuelo, D. Juan Ramos de Oviedo quiera era un comerciante en Aguascalientes natural de Sorvilán, Obispado de Granda, Andalucía en los Reinos de Castilla. Casó dos veces 1) mi octava bisabuela, Manuela de Villalobos que se dice que era de Jalpa, Zacatcas en el valle de Huejúcar. 2) parece ser su prima, Josefa de Villalobos natural de Aguascalientes el 30 de abril de 1770 hija de Pedro de Villalobos y Ma Antonia Martínez de Sotomayor.

Juan Ramos de Oviedo

George and Armando,
Nicolas Macias and Thomas Macias were brothers, were the sons of Thomas Macias Valades and unknown. This relationship is supported by the following document (dispensa) given to Salvador Macias Esparza and Maria Macias Esparza, respectively brother and sister of Nicolas Macias Esparza and Gertrudis Macias Esparza. whose license of February 1730 (image 84) George made mention, and who are my direct ancestors.

[Nicolas Macias y Thomas Macias fueron hermanos,hijos de Thomas Macias Valades y desconocida. Esta informacion fue obtenida de la siguiente dispensa otorgada en Guadalajara a Salvador Macias Esparza y a Maria Macias Esparza, respectivamente hermano y hermana de Nicolas Macias y Gertrudis Macias, a cuya licencia de febrero de 1730 George hizo mencion, y quienes son mis ancestros directos]

Dispensa otorgada por Diócesis de Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1733-34, Imagenes 29-35

From image 30 (Declaracion de Salvador Masias)
"Salvador Masias originario de esta

Hello George,

I don't have a direct answer but we might be able to figure out a few
things. I might be repeating some thing you may already know so I apologize
ahead of time if that is the case. The document states that there were two
impediments. One for a third degree of consanguinity, which means a
grandparent of the groom was the sibling of a grandparent of the bride. The
other impediment was for a fourth degree of consanguinity which means a
greatgrandparent of the groom was a sibling of a greatgrandparent of the
bride. In many cases this is all we are able to find without having
definitive proof of who they were. Sometimes using other records we can
deduce who those ancestors were. Since you have already traced the lineage
of one person we only need to trace the lineages of two more and we will
have the answer for the fourth based on the previous facts. Salvador Ruiz de
Esparza is going to be either a brother or a first cousin of Agustin Ruiz de
Esparza. If Salvador and Agustin

Hi Bill, thanks for the info and reference. Can you tell me who Maria's father was, and provide other details such as dates, etc.

Thanks,
Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com
www.sagradamitra.com

The parents of Juan Díaz Montañez were Miguel Díaz Montañez and Josefa Díaz,
married 7 April 1641 in Ojuelos-Pinos, Zac. (Source: "The Genealogy of Juan
Montañez and his descendants in Aguascalientes, San Luis Potosí and
Zacatecas," Published in the Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral
Research, Journal IV, (c) 1998 edited by Mary Lou Montagna and Ophelia
Marquez. The parents of Teresa Carrillo de Sandi were Diego Carrillo de
Sandi and María González de Rubalcaba, aka María López. The surname López
comes from her paternal grandmother Beatriz López de Fuenllana, daughter of
Juan López de Baeza, Conquistador.

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From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 12:47 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Parents of Juan Diaz Montanez & Teresa
CarrilloTeocaltiche Jalisco

Looking for Parents of Juan Diaz Montanez & Teresa Carrillo Teocaltiche
Jalisco.
Children are: Maria Diaz Carrillo baptized 12-20-1672 Teocaltiche Jalisco;
Juana Diaz Montanez b. 6-11

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.f…

Jose Carlos, here's the link to Jerez from Family Search.

Alicia
San Jose, Ca

________________________________
From: "josecarlos1944@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 6:19 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Zacatecas Vital Statistics

Does anyone have the address and info for Birth Records for Jerez, Zacatecas?

I need to order my GrandFather's birth record.

Thanks for any infor that you can give me.

Jose Carlos de Leon

Adrian:

Si buscas en PARES por las informaciones de Nicolás de Haro Bocanegra, nieto de Maria Haro y Saucedo describe su ascendencia de Pedro Bobadilla y Maria Saucedo. Esta es una fuente primaria que tiene bastante información importante.

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=3&tx…

Adrian:

Gracias por el vínculo a la información sobre Pedro Bobadilla.

Como con toda la información que encontramos en línea es importante verificar las fuentes.

En este caso, sé que hay varios errores. Por ejemplo, es imposible que Maria Haro y Saucedo haya nacido en España ya que Pedro Bobadilla llegó a Nueva Galicia soltero y he visto fuentes que su esposa, Maria Bobadilla o Saucedo (por quien fue nombrada la nieta) era indígena, así que ella tampoco hubiera nacido en España y los hijos de esta pareja tambien hubieran nacido en Nueva Galicia.

Maria Haro y Saucedo no puede haber sido hija de Alejos González y Magdalena Delgado ya que esta pareja se casó en 22 Nov 1666 y Maria Haro y Saucedo debe haber nacido antes de 1600.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/gedcom/getperson.php?personID=I68&tree=T…

Los hijos de Maria Haro y Saucedo y Juan de Miramontes nacieron en Tlaltenango y no Jerez.

Sherry:
En los siguientes links encuentras informacion muy util para tu linea de los Xayme, de quienes desciendo por varias lineas, siendo emas antiguo que he encontrado George Xaymes

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-56934-53?cc=1874591&wc=12505434

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-60460-47?cc=1874591&wc=12505434
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18403-69808-57?cc=1874591&wc=12512794

_________________________________________________________
The following links are very useful information for your line of Xayme, from whom I descended by several lines, being the oldest I've found George Xaymes.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-56934-53?cc=1874591&wc=12505434

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-60460-47?cc=1874591&wc=12505434
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18403-69808-57?cc=1874591&wc=12512794

Miguel Beltran
Lo que dás fructifica. Lo que te guardas se pudre.
What you give fruitful. What you keep

A. P. y mat. no dan razon, meaning grandparents Paternos y maternos (paternal and maternal) they gave no information about it or names were not given up for the record. Next is the reference is to padrinos or godparents Luis Jayme y María Cuebas

 
Sincerely Leticia Leon

________________________________
De: "kanakalele@aol.com"
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Enviado: Jueves, 27 de octubre, 2011 21:19:49
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help with translation of baptismal record

Hi,
I'm hoping someone can help me with the baptismal record of Mauricia Munos Jayme dated 30 Sep 1834. Link:  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18568-54957-94?cc=1874591&wc…; She is the "hija legitima" of Jose Munos and Maria de Jesus Jayme. I have found and viewed the films confirming 6 brothers and sisters. For some, the paternal grandparents have been listed as Jose Munos and Luiza Munos or just Luiza Munos (no mention of Jose or whether or not he was deceased) and this entry for

Thomas Casillas

'no dan rason' translates into 'no reason given'

Saul Navarro
After viewing the image you are asking about it says that of the Paternal and Maternal grandparents "no dan rason". Which translates to the fact that maybe when asked who were the grandparents of Mauricia, her parents refused to name them or no answer was given. I have seen this in other baptismal documents. The other abbreviation I saw was the padrinos were Luis Jayme and Maria Cuevas. Hope this helps Saul

Thank you, Claudia!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Se me olvidé decirte que empieza la información matrimonial el la imagen
numero 133
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18571-37087-42?cc=1874591&wc…

Armando

Hola Enrique.

Tengo una buena noticia. Estaba revisando el libro de Información
Matrimonial 1719-1720 cuando encontré el documento que estabas buscando.
Dice que Juan Antonio Moreno es hijo natural de Juan González Moreno y de
Luisa de Espinosa y Ana María Galván es hija de Joseph Galván y María
Lozano. Juan González Moreno se casó con Tomasina Gómez Portugal del Hierro
el 7 de enero 1692 en San Felipe, Guanajuato y era hijo de mis ancestros el
capitán Nicolás Moreno de Ortega Villegas y Mariana González de Hermosillo
González Florida hija de Juan González de Hermosillo Muñoz y Ana González
Florida hija de Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y Ana González Florida I. Juan
González de Hermosillo Muñoz era hijo del Juan González de Hermosillo y Ana
María Muñoz naturales de la villa de Guadalcanal, Sevilla, España datos
proporcionados por Guillermo Tovar de Teresa y Sergio Gutierrez
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/19948 Algunos otros datos tenemos
gracias a Victoriano Navarro que nos

Hola Enrique:

Estoy de acuerdo, no queda claro quienes fueron los padres de tus ancestros
pero si es seguro que eran parientes de mis ancestros por Moreno de Ortega y
por González. También falta buscar mas datos por el lado Galván de Rojas. La
fundación de San Pedro Piedra Gorda (hoy manuel Doblado) "*se debe a Don
Juan Montañes de Ortega, administrador de las haciendas de los Jesuitas de
Valladolid (hoy Morelia) quien compró una caballería de tierra denominada
"Tierra Blanca" a Don Nicolás Galván de Rojas para donarla más tarde a la
Cofradía de Jesús Nazareno para que en ella se erigiera la parroquia y se
fundara el pueblo*".
http://www.ruelsa.com/gto/manueldoblado/manueldoblado.html

Los Galván de Rojas de Guanajuato casaron con varias familias de Lagos de
Moreno. Parece que el primero fue Alonso Galván de Rojas, h.l. de Alonso
Galván y Juana de Salcedo vecinos de Pénjamo, en 1653 con Luisa González de
Rodas, h.l. de Fulgencio González de Ruvalcaba y López de Fuenllana y Luisa
de

Hola Enrique:

Me puedes dar los enlaces a las imágenes de todos los matrimonios y
bautismos de todos los hijos de Juan Antonio Moreno y Ana María Galván.
Puede ser que estamos emparentados por las dos familias Moreno de Ortega y
Galván de Rojas. Hay que revisar las haciendas y los padrinos para ver si
hay pistas. Estoy corto de tiempo y por eso no puedo buscar las imágenes.

Armando

2011/7/20

> Hola a todos de nuevo:
>
> Como recientemente publiqué en un tema de foro, hace pocas semanas encontré
> que mi ascendencia se conecta a la región Altos Norte de Jalisco. Ahora como
> estoy de vacaciones de la escuela, me es más fácil hacer la búsqueda
> genealógica.
> La cuestión que les traigo el día de hoy es acerca del matrimonio entre
> Juan Antonio Moreno y Ana María Galván, el cual se efectuó el 18 de
> Septiembre de 1718. En el libro de matrimonios no dice quiénes son los
> padres, sólo que el novio es originario de dicho lugar y que la novia es
> originaria de San Pedro Piedra Gorda

Raúl,

Un par de preguntas:

El tomo Nº 8 incluye información del apellido Michel ? Cuántas páginas o líneas de texto ?

En caso de adquirir la colección, tengo un primo que vive en Tonalá. Me imagino que no tendrías inconveniente en que él pasara a recoger os libros a tu domicilio. Es así ?

Gracias !

Felipe Michel Olmo

> To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: ivraga@prodigy.net.mx
> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:14:25 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia
>
> Los libros están empezando a agotarse. si alguien los desea por favor pónganse en contacto conmigo para informarles de los detalles.
>
> Ya se enviaron libros a Miguel Beltrán (migueltran@gmail.com) por si desean referencias mías.
>
> El costo de los libros es de alrededor de 90 DLS y de paquetería sería tentativamente $130.00 USD, máximo unos $150.00 USD en caso de variar el precio (el dolar está cambiando mucho últimamente).
>
> Si te interesa y quieres comunicarte conmigo

I like this idea very much Joe!

I'd like to submit my brick wall as well. My main one, is that of the Montalvo family. I gave the history that I know of them in my introduction.

Isabel Montalvo
+ Maria Huerta. Married on or before 1860

Their children were:

1. Maria Librada Montalvo Huerta was born on 20 Aug. 1860 in Villanueva, Zac.
2. Maria Marcos Montalvo Huerta was born on 9 Oct. 1861 in Villanueva, Zac.
3. Maria Paula Montalvo Huerta was born on 20 June 1863 in Villanueva, Zac.
4. Josefa Montalvo Huerta.
5. Maria Magdalena Montalvo Huerta was born on 24 July 1866 in Villanueva, Zac.
6. Julio Montalvo Huerta was born on Apr. 1868 in Villanueva, Zac.
7. Pedro Montalvo Huerta was born on Jan. 1871 in Villanueva, Zac.
8. Maria Sotera Montalvo Huerta was born on 18 Apr. 1874 in Villanueva, Zac.
9. Clemente Montalvo Huerta was born on Nov. 1880 in Villanueva, Zac.
He married Patricia Cabral Rojas.
10. Antonio Montalvo Huerta.

Of these all, Clemente is my great grandfather. Of his siblings, I know that

Great Idea!!

Let's all contribute our 'Brick Walls'

Phyls Esparza

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From:
To:
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:26 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] "brick walls"

> At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010, they had a "brick wall" demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it. The idea was that a member could write down on a paper leaf his/her "brick wall" in his own genealogy research and perhaps someone else would choose his/her leaf and help break through it. I think it's a great concept, except that it might've been better to let any and all choose the same leaf.
>
> My question is this: since we already experience daily with questions from various members, why couldn't each of us create a file/folder listing our own "brick walls" in it? These files could stay permanent and updated as needed.
>
> Perhaps other members could browse through these files and find one that they could tackle and help break through it?

Great Idea!!

Let's all contribute our 'Brick Walls'

Phyls Esparza

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:26 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] "brick walls"

> At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010, they had a "brick wall" demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it. The idea was that a member could write down on a paper leaf his/her "brick wall" in his own genealogy research and perhaps someone else would choose his/her leaf and help break through it. I think it's a great concept, except that it might've been better to let any and all choose the same leaf.
>
> My question is this: since we already experience daily with questions from various members, why couldn't each of us create a file/folder listing our own "brick walls" in it? These files could stay permanent and updated as needed.
>
> Perhaps other members could browse through these files and find one that they could tackle and help break through it?

This is a wonderful Idea!!!!

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From:
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:26 PM
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] "brick walls"

> At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010,
> they had a "brick wall" demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it.
> The idea was that a member could write down on a paper leaf his/her "brick
> wall" in his own genealogy research and perhaps someone else would choose
> his/her leaf and help break through it. I think it's a great concept,
> except that it might've been better to let any and all choose the same
> leaf.
> My question is this: since we already experience daily with questions
> from various members, why couldn't each of us create a file/folder listing
> our own "brick walls" in it? These files could stay permanent and updated
> as needed.
>
> Perhaps other members could browse through these files and find one that
> they could tackle and help break

The mine has nothing to do with the hacienda La Mololoa in what is now
Encarnación de Díaz. The mine is 100 km west of Guadalajara near
Hostotipaquillo, Jalisco. The locations that Monica is researching are Lagos
de Moreno and Encarnación de Díaz which are about 179 km north-northeast of
Guadalajara.

Miguel Beltran who is from Encarnación had already given us the answer to
the location Monica was inquiring about which is:
"Santa Maria" hacienda was approximately. at latitude, longitude : 21.4275,
-102.188 (You can search with these coordinates in googlemaps.com) and the
"la Mololoa" hacienda must be at an unknown point to the northeast, by a
small river (which starts approximately at GPS coordinates 21.568, -102.0)

Miguel is the one to listen to when it comes to anything in Encarnación de
Díaz.

Using the info Miguel gave us I found the same Santa Maria in Encarnación de
Díaz in http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/jalisco/encarnacion-de-diaz/ It is
now broken up into Santa María de

If I read the page correctly, this mine is about 100 km north west of Guadalajara, which puts it in the general area of Lagos de Moreno/Encarnacion de Dios.

This is consistent with what several of us posted a few days ago.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Does the book cover names of Miguel and Matheo Tadeo? You are so fortunate to have your dad and to celebrate another year! How wonderful he can enjoy the new book and collaborate on the history. May he enjoy his birthday and have many more!!

Beautiful. Thanks for sharing. Please wish your father an extra happy
birthday!

Raquel Ruiz

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 8:32 PM, wrote:

> My father and I now are in possesion of Retoños de España en la Nueva
> Galicia and he (well and me too)was very moved by reading his genealogy Cos
> Y Leon and to see his name and all of his children names printed in a book
> for tha first and maybe the last time and ask me to give big thanks to the
> author and all colaborators. He is amazed, and also I am. He enjoys every
> morning of reading it, he is an eager to learn reader by nature. His
> white-pinkish face went almost purple and his expression was that of cry and
> laugh at the same time as I open the III volume and started reading his name
> in the Cos Y Leon section. He use to seat at the dining room by the wide
> window, where the morning sun light allows his one day to be 89 years old
> eyes, to read better. Tomorrow he will be 89 an appreciate very much this
> event of books as one of

Gloria Casillas

Tengo uno de los volumenes y esta enfocado en las familias de los altos.