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Hi Everyone, I didn't see my first two posts here, I'm sure I'm doing something wrong. I did get a reply ( Gracias Jorge !) but have not seen my posts show up here...forgive me, I'm a rookie. First I'd like to thank Joseph for allowing me to join the site. My name is Robert Gonzalez, my area of research is Los Altos de Jalisco, specifically, Tepatitlan and "La Villa" San Jose De Basarte. My father and grandfather were born in La Villa \ SJB. My Great Grandfather, Gregorio Gonzalez is buried beneath the alter of the small church\ capilla there. I also have records of my great,great grandfather and some other family members but have hit a wall. Ultimatley I'd like to take my research all the way back to Spain to find out where my family line started. Names I'd like to research are Gonzalez, Casillas and Alonso. It seems that for at least two generations, the Gonzalez line married into the Casillas line. Any info on San Jose de Basarte would be greatly appreciated, I do have some minor info in regards to the history of La Villa but not enough to satisfy my curiosity. Thank you all, I look forward to sharing info with all of you, Robert Gonzalez ~

Nicolas Felix, nacido 1615 en Jerez, casado con Franca. Peralta Y Arellano 1671
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                            Nicolas Felix de Arellano/Ana Carrillo Avila
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                            Bartolome Felix Arellano/Catarina Chaves Carrillo
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                            Juan Pedro Felix Arellano/Ysabel Llanos y Valdez
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                            Marcelino Felix Tinajero/Juana Acevedo
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                            Felipe Tinajero Felix/Gregoria Salasar-Miranda     
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                            Jose Hilario Felix b. 07 Nov 1812 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico
Se casa en Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico, 10 Jan 1835, con /Maria Teodora Flores
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                            Maria Rafaela Tinajero-Flores, b. 01 Nov 1843, Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico. Ella se casa con Pedro Olague 21 Mar 1863 en Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico
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                            Francisco Olague-Felix, b. 21 Sep 1872, en Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico

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Hola, Jose Felix,

Ricci,Just trying to clarify what you wrote. Ladino was a form of the Spanish language spoken near San Miguel? And what are "Jewish conversos?" Where there actually synagogues around there?Thanks,Luis-----Original Message-----From: "Ricci, Richard" [rricci@lausd.net]Date: 02/20/2009 03:17 PMTo: research@nuestrosranchos.orgSubject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gracias \ Some background on my familyThere are stories that the spanish being spoken near valle de Gpe, pegueros and san miguel was ladino and was spoken because of jewish converso ancestors. they used to sing in the countryside this language that was different from the spanish spoken in mexico. Some of my uncles and aunts used to speak about this........ ________________________________ From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of El Peregrino Sent: Fri 2/20/2009 9:57 AM To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gracias \ Some background on my family Hi Daniel ! Thank you for the warm welcome ! I have not posted any files as of yet, I'm still a rookie at all this. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. My father and grandmother did tell me that the Gonzalez \ Casillas line married into each other a couple of times !, So I know that saying about Altenos is true ! Just some background, my Grandfather and his brothers moved up to Miami , Arizona to work in the mines. He contracted miners lung \ black lung and when he realized it was going to kill him, he went back to his birthplace, La Villa \ San Jose de Basarte. My father and my uncle Santiago were born there. My grandfather passed when my father was only two years old or so, he never knew him My grandmother, who was originally from Aguascalientes, moved the family back to Arizona, first Jerome, then to Bisbee..where I grew up. According to my grandmother, my grandfather's family had a large estate that the family shared, she sold off her portion to some of the fami ly members that had stayed behind. My grandmother eventually remarried to a man who did not care for my father and his brothers and he forbade my grandmother to ever talk about their family. For many years my dad had no info as to his roots, very little about it was ever discussed. When my abuelas husband died, she could finally talk to her sons about their family history, but they were grown men by that time. She used to tell me stories about the family and my grandfather and she hid away photos that I'm am blessed to have now. My grandfather and his brothers were tall, 6ft plus and all except my abuelo had blond hair and blue eyes. She told me that when my grandfather would speak to his father, they spoke a version of spanish that she has a hard time following..I've always wondered if it was Gallego or Catalan...maybe even Basque. So many other things she would tell me that I would like answers to, not so much for me, but for my father. My great grandfather , Gregorio Gonz alez Casillas is buried in the small church or capilla in SJdB, quite an honor I'm told, I'd like to know why this type of respect was given to my family, who exactly they were ? I'd better give it a rest now ! I still have much more info to share, sorry to ramble on. Thanks again Daniel, I look forward to speaking with you more in the future ! Robert ~ -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List To post, send email to: research(at)nuestrosranchos.org To change your subscription, log on to: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

Thanks to Maria Cortez and a volunteer at my local FHC, I now am familiar
with the value of batch numbers. I didn't locate anything on Diego Ruiz and
Catharina Perez yet, but, after too many hours online, I have probably
located a number of ggs I didn't have. (I never feel I know for sure until
I'm looking at the church record on film.) I'm submitting them here with
the hope that someone has them already researched:

my 3ggmo: Maria Marta Rodriguez, bap 26 Oct 1814, Mexticacan, Jal. Pts.
Jose Agustin Rodriguez and Maria Dolores de Jaure, md 30
Maria md Candido Delgadillo 10 Feb 1836 in Yahualica, Jal.

Catalina DE ARENAS Y MARIN DE PENALOSA is my 8x great-grandmother. I would be great if we could compare and share information. I would also be able to update the pedigree tree that I uploaded to my folder.Luis JAIMEdexaime@excite.com-----Original Message-----From: "R. A. Ricci" [rricci@lausd.net]Date: 02/19/2009 02:29 AMTo: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.orgSubject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mari de la pena losa I need to check my notes but I believe that I may have information on you C arenas Marin de la pena losa. She is may ancestor. I believe i have her parents and grandparents. My wife is calling so i can't look it up for you right now. I also have dates and locations. Tell me what the c stands for. R.A.Ricci -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List To post, send email to: research(at)nuestrosranchos.org To change your subscription, log on to: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

I have just finished posting my pedigree tree from my bisabuela Ma. DELGADO to Petronila MOCTEZUMA. I've seen that Petronila has already been convered on this site. However, I wanted to know what the final consensus was on her lineage to Moctezuma. And, does anyone have that data? The file can be found at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=2903

Other names in her tree are TISCARENO RUIS ESPARZA ESPINOSA MARQUEZ MOLINA NAVARRO DIAZ DELGADO. Can anyone expand on the data I have on those names that file? Thanks in advance for any help.

Luis JAIME

Salvador Cabral Valdes sent me the following information for those that
were asking about the Llanos de Valdes:

Registro modificado de -Pedro de Llanos de Valdes-1382

Primera generación

1. -Pedro de Llanos de Valdes-1382.

-Pedro se casó (MRIN:587) -Ines Osorio Fernandez Y Garcia-1383.

Ellos tuvieron los hijos siguientes:

+ 2 M i. -Juan de Llanos Y Valdes-1380.

Hello to all!

Do any of you have info on Gertrudis Diaz de Leon? She was married to Juan Alvarez Tostado, son of Captian Juan Alvarez Tostado and Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza. Gertrudis is my 7th ggmother.

Thanks!

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Saludos a todos!

Alguien de ustedes tiene alguna informacion de Gertrudis Diaz de Leon? Ella estuvo casada con Juan Alvarez Tostado, hijo del Capitan Juan Alvarez Tostado e Isabel Ramirez de Mendoza. Ella es mi 7a bisabuela.

Gracias!

Just curious as to where, geographically speaking, your Zacatecas research is located/focused. Did your families move around frequently - i.e., were they in one place for more or less than 5 or 10 years, or for generations? My father was born (1912) at Hacienda del Astillero, SW of Valparaiso, off the Valparaiso-Huejucar Highway (Mex Hwy 44). His father was born at Hacienda de Santa Monica, Sain Alto (1879), his mother at Rancho San Mateo (1887; N of Valparaiso). There is a Santa Monica north of Sain Alto, but it looks pretty desolate on the Google map of the area.
So - is anyone researching the Sain Alto area, or Sombrerete, or Fresnillo? Have you visited any of these places? I visited Astillero in 1996.

Thanks,
Natalie Castro Coleman
researching: GARCIA, DUENAS, CASTRO, MARTINEZ, and others

My name is Charles Flores and I am a new member. I am eager to expand my
research here. My focus area is Juchipila, and Nochistlan, Zac. The surnames
are Flores, Rincon, Banuelos, Godina, Ascencio, Ruiz, Figueroa, and Quezada.
Thanks for allowing me to work within this group.
Lo Mejor,
Charles Flores

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Below is my Ornelas line and ancestry.

1.Daniel Mendez del Camino b. 1992 in San Jose, California, United States
2.Jose Gabriel Mendez Cortez b. 1956 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
3.Martin Mendez Serrano b. 1917 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
4.Lucia Serrano Rubio b. 1889 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
5.Juan Jose Serrano Gutierrez b. 1853 in Zapotiltic, Jalisco, Mexico
6.Jose Jesus Francisco Serrano de Leon b. 1825 in Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico
7.Alexandro de Cerrano y de Ornelas b. 1799 in Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico
8.Maria Juana Rafaela Alvina de Hornelas y Garcia b. 1771 in Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico
9.Manuel Antonio de Hornelas y Basques de Lara b. 1737 San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
10.Gregorio de Hornellas y de la Crus b. 1713 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
11.Juan de Dios de Hornellas y Sanches b. 1669 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
12.Andres de Ornellas y de Orosco b. 1636 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico
13.Alvaro Albares de Ornellas y Hurtado de Mendosa b. 1598 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
14.Alvaro Albares de Ornellas (mother is uknown) b. 1561 in Mexico City, D.F., Mexico
15.Alvaro Albares de Ornellas, 11th Count of Dornelas (mother is uknown) b. 1530/1532 (disputed) in Mexico City, D.F., Mexico
16.Alvaro Albares de Ornelas y Fernandes de Abreu, 10th Count of Dornelas b. 1496 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
17.Alvaro Albares de Ornelas y Fernandes de Saavedra, 9th Count of Dornelas b. 1456 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
Henceforth the one who started this LONG chain of Alvaro Albares de Ornelas!
18.Alvaro Lopes de Ornelas y de Ayala, 8th Count of Dornelas b. 1424 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
19.Lope Esteves de Ornelas y de Portugal , 7th Count of Dornelas b. 1384 in Lisbon, Lisbon, Portugal (His mother was Dona Estefania, Princess of Portugal. Illegitimate Daughter of Pedro I, King of Portugal
20. Pedro Anes de Ornelas, 6th Count of Dornelas b. 1354 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
21. Martim Joaes de Ornelas, 5th Count of Dornelas b. 1324 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
22. Joao Joaes de Ornelas y, Pires de Cardoso, 4th Count of Dornelas b. 1294 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
23. Joao Pires de Ornelas y Anes de Freitas, 3rd Count of Dornelas b. 1264 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
24. Pedro Fernandes de Ornelas, 2nd Count of Dornelas b. 1234 in Madeira, Madeira, Portugal
25. Fernando Fernandes y Anes de Ornelas, 1st Count of Dornelas b. 1204 in Veloso, Leon, Spain
26. Juan Fernandes de Veloso, 7th Count of Veloso b. 1174 in Veloso, Leon, Spain
27. Rui Fernandes de Veloso y de Aragon, 6th Count of Veloso b. 1144 in Aragon, Aragon, Spain
(His mother was Dona Ximena de Aragon, Princess of Aragon, illegitimate daughter of Alfonso I, King of Aragon.)
28. Fernando Rodrigues de Veloso, 5th Count of Veloso b. 1114 in Velso, Veloso, Spain
29. Rodrigo Fernandes de Veloso y de Vella, 4th Count of Veloso b. 1084 in Veloso, Veloso, Spain
30. Fernando Rodrigues de Veloso y de Francia, 3rd Count of Veloso b. 1054 in Paris, Paris, France
(His mother was Alembert Capet, Princess of France, daughter Henry I Capet, King of France)
31. Rodrigo Sanches de Veloso y de Frolas, 2nd Count of Veloso b. 1024 in Leon, Leon, Spain
32. Sancho Ramires de Leon y Gomes de Saldana, 1st Count of Veloso and Prince of Leon b. 984 in Leon, Leon, Spain
33. Ramiro III Sanches de Leon, King of Leon b. 961 in Leon, Leon, Spain

Here are the sources there also some websites but need to go back and write them down.
From: Dornelas, Afonso; Dornelas, origem Deste apelido (there is a exemplary in Funchal Library)
The Transalation from Portegues: The Origin of the Ornelas Surname, Im not sure where to buy it, would be a good book to have. Well thats it for now because the genealogy never ends it goes all the way back to the time of the Roman Empire and Jesus Christ so yeah. I think its really fun when you connect into a royal family. I have checked and your husband and I connect with almost every royal European family today, I think its really cool to know this. You may also be wondering Alvaro de Ornelas the one born in 1530-1532 did infact plea the King of Portugal to keep his fathers title in the 1560's when his father died. So what does that mean? Not only did that title came to Mexico it stayed there. The big question is who is the Heir to that title? Someone in Mexico right now is the rightful heir to the County of Dornelas. No one knows what happened to it, Ive been researching but have not found anything for the title after 1611 when Alvaro died. And there is no record of Alvaro the one born in 1530 to have children in Portugal. He only had to return in order to officially become Count of Dornelas but quickly returned to Jalisco. so the title did in fact say Mexico. Not like the Moctezuma line in which some returned to Spain. The Ornelas stayed in Jalisco. And Emilie I have some tips for you. I think youll need to extend your Ornelas line back to 1690-1710 because thats when I have a Benito Ornelas and I think your Benito is the ancestor of you Benito so I hope your husband and I can connect in the future. -Daniel Mendez del Camino

A person outside the group would like any comments on this picture:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17482 If anyone has any a comment to
share I'll send her your message.

Una persona afuera del grupo necesita informacion de este foto:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17482. Si tienes informacion de esto
le voy a mandar su mensaje

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Any ideas on how to access church records that aren't posted on
familysearch? I need matrimonial records for Cuquio, Jalisco that predate
1741, which is the earliest posted. I emailed the archdiocese and they
referred me back to Cuquio. There are baptisms posted prior to 1741.

I believe my ancestors, Diego Ruiz and Catarina Perez, were married there
in the early 1730s. I have found them listed as padrinos there in 1736 and
several children born there, starting in 1737. Unfortunately, so far, no
grandparents nor origens are noted. There are not a lot of Ruizes at this
period, so I don't think there is much of an extended family based there
(there are lots later on), so I'm guessing that within a generation back
they will elsewhere. Diego died between Dec 1785 and Dec 1789. Catarina
died after Dec 1789. Their children I've found so far are: Maria Luisa,
24 Aug 1737, Joseph Anastacio c1739, Joseph Joachin Maria and Joseph Miguel
Maria, 23 Nov 1745, Manuela 1749, Maria de la Candelaria, 24 Jul 1760, and
Manuel.

Any ideas or leads would be much appreciated.

I was looking through a film so far today and it included a marriage of a Rocha (havent had a chance to transcribe it) in 1770. I almost skipped it but I remember
that many members have de la Rocha lines and thought it would be good to scan it. Ill add it to the Ranchos folder later this week for anyone who just wants a copy or needs it. -Daniel M. Camino

My name is Luis JAIME. After stopping my genealogy research for 11 years because of a dead end I have decided to pick it up again now that I've found this great nuestrosranchos.org web site. Something that didn't exsist back then... I don't think I can ever break through the dead end but I hope to share my research and data with other connections to my tree. There are still a few unanswered questions I have as well as some loose JAIME tree that I've yet to connect.

My research is with my surname JAIME(s) JAYME(s), XAIME(s), de XAYME(s) and all variations thereof.

Other surnames (maternal lineages) include: DELGADO LOPES, DE ALBA CUEVA, VIRAMONTES, GALARZA, PEDROZA ROMO, GARCIA, MALDONADO CHAVEZ, URROZ

The oldest JAIME in my ancestor tree is one Jorge JAIME born in the late 1600's "Espanol de padres no conocidos." d. 1716 in Aguascalientes while living in el Alcon, JAL. He "appears" in history in "el Puesto de San Miguel" which is now at the foot of "el Serro de los Gallos" and is now called San Miguel. Back then it was owned and run by the ALBA family. He married 23 May 1694 Maria DELGADO LOPES b.24 Mar 1617 in Aguasclientes d. 6 Aug 1720 in San Miguel.

Thanks,
Luis

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17221

Hello Everyone!

I have just joined the group. I have been reading some of your research work and it is quite impressive. You are all so very helpful to everyone and look forward to communicating with all of you.

I am researching my mothers family (Suarez/Guiterrez) for now but eventually my father's family (Guillen).

The Suarez and Guiterrez families were from Sombrerete, Zacatecas. My grandfather Suarez was born around 1887 or 1889 not sure where. My grandmother Guiterrez was born 8/25/1900 in Sombrerete and they were married around 1915.

My G grandfather was Felipe Suarez and married Petra Barajas. I have no further information on them.

My G grandfather Guiterrez was Christino Guiterrez and married Wenselada Sanchez. My GG grandfather was Epefanio Guiterrez and married Maria de Jesus Villalobos. I do have a Maria de Jesus Villalobos arriving on Oct. 30, 1919 in Laredo, Texas destination San Antonio, Tx from Atotonilco, Jalisco. I have not been able to find much else thru other ancestry search methods. Eventually my mother's family migrated to Juarez, Mexico and then to El Paso, Texas.

I am hoping to start researching church records to find more detail or even family. I appreciate any help you can provide or a direction you can point me to. Thank you.

Yoli Matranga

Solo para saludarlos y estar en contacto caballeros.

Steve, te respondi el ultimo mensaje, lo recibiste? Oye, pudiste ver la informacion que tengo de la familia Apodaca en la pagina de Nuestros Ranchos? Nunca supe si lo viste o no, lo agregué ya hace tiempo y creo que te informe mediante un mail. Avisame si lo viste o no, va?

Bueno, pues los dejo esperando esten bien.

Atentamente

SECRETARÍA DE GOBIERNO

ARCHIVO GENERAL DEL ESTADO DE COAHUILA

CUARTA CONFERENCIA BINACIONAL DE HISTORIA FAMILIAS

FOURTH BINATIONAL FAMILY HISTORY CONFERENCE

Viernes 13 de marzo de 2009

18:30 hrs. Inscripciones

19:30 hrs. Ceremonia de inauguración a cargo del

Profr. Humberto Moreira Valdés

Gobernador Constitucional del Estado de Coahuila

Conferencia Magistral

De la genealogía a la historia familiar.

Dra. Martha Rodríguez García

Historiadora. UIA-Posgrado.

Concierto

Sábado 14 de marzo de 2009

09:00 hrs. La Familia Dávila en Saltillo

Carlos y Pedro Benjamín Dávila Dávila

10:00 hrs. Presencia de Vástagos de Nueva Galicia en Saltillo

Mtra. Martha Durón de Narro

Universidad Autónoma de Zacatecas

Aguascalientes, México

11:00 hrs. Los Hombres llamados Antonio López de Santa Anna

G. Roland Vela Múzquiz, Ph. D.

Miembro de la Sociedad Genealógica de los Bejareños

San Antonio, Tx.

12:00 hrs. Los González Cigarroa y su paso por Durango, Coahuila
y Texas

Elvira González de Martínez

13:00 hrs. Receso

15:30 hrs. Las familias de Sacramento, Coahuila.

Ing. Jesús Mario García Cepeda

16:30 hrs. La Familia Palmerín en el Noreste Mexicano

Tte. Corl. Ricardo Raúl Palmerín Cordero

San Luis Potosí, México

17:30 hrs. El Capitán Lucas García vecino del Saltillo y uno de
los 12 fundadores de Monterrey

Francisco Sepúlveda García

Cronista de Sta. Catarina, N.L.

18:30 hrs. El Capitán Pedro de Aguirre y la presencia de su
apellido en el sureste de Coahuila

Ing. Reynaldo Aguirre Rico

Saltillo, México

19:30 hrs. Clausura y entrega de Diplomas

DATOS BÁSICOS

La sede de la Conferencia será el Hotel Holiday Inn Express Saltillo,
Zona Aeropuerto.

Lic. Edgar Pérez de León.

Tel from USA = 52 844 450 31 00

Mex = 844 450 31 00 ó 01 800 009 99 00

Does anyone have any films from Baptism from Ojuelos de Jalisco, Matansas Jalisco. I have ordered a film but was told that it will take up to six months to receive. I was needed records from 1885 and foward. Searching for the Cortez Alvarado Hernandez Ortiz family.

Help! I would like to delete the gedcom I previously submitted and submit
an updated one, and can't figure out how to do that. And I am trying to
figure out how to easily weed out living people from the submission. My
tree is on a paf file. It seems whatever I try, the gedcom includes
branches of living relatives. I did find a program on-line that is suppose
to help clean-it-up, but it seems that it leaves "name withheld" as
placemarkers. Would that be ok? It does mean that I have to put at least
year-of-birth for all my distant relatives, as that's what this program uses
to differentiate what data stays and what doesn't. It may take a few days
to come up with all of those. Is there an easier way?

While I'm at it, is there a way to make an ancestry file that automatically
includes the siblings of each ancestor, ideally with spouses and pertinent
dates noted, or do I need to do that on my own?

Thanks!

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14003

Leticia Leon Morales

and thank you Joseph

I would like information on Petronia Moctezuma. She is my direct line ancestor. I have very little information on her. I am just starting my search to learn more on her and her family.

Kelly
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To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:43:03 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petronila de Moctezuma

Ive done extensive research on the descendants of DOna Petra if anyone needs any info. -Daniel

Este mensaje es para mi pariente perdido Alessandro Vitela. Espero que cheques los mensajes del foro de nuestros ranchos. Me has escrito porque no he contestado a tus mensajes, pero en realidad, te he estado enviando varios mensajes desde hace un par de semanas y no recibo respuesta. Me pregunto si recibiste el documento de matrimonio de nuestros ancestros Francisco Bonal e Ysabel Gutierres que te envie hace ya tiempo. No se si posiblemente tengas bloqueado mi email o algo. En fin, espero que leas este mensaje por medio de nuestrosranchos y podamos continuar la comunicacion.

Saludos

Steve desde NC

I had make two deletes in my files: about Barba and Oñate reports, and added an actualization to my Oñate surname file.

Thursday, January 22, 2009

To Whom It May Concern--

Without places and dates, it is hard to tell whom we are talking about. I looked at my old files and this is what I came up with:

Christobal HERNANDEZ GAMINO born about 1631 in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, Mexico. Married 23 Feb 1653 in Leon, Guanjuato, Mexico to Maria RUIZ de VELASCO, daughter of Pedro RUIZ de VELASCO and Anna NUNEZ BOJORQUEZ.

My old notes on Christobal...! Birth from Steven HERNANDEZ Aug 28, 1999.
Marriage from Steven HERNANDEZ Aug 28, 1999.
Cristobal HERNANDEZ Gamiño was the principal patriarch of the HERNANDEZ
family in the towns of Ayo el Chico and Arandas. SH
He was dead pre Apr 1721 when son Joseph and daughter-in-law, Mariana
VALDIVIA were padrinos. His wife Ma. de BELASCO was also listed
as dead.
New information from Lillian WOLD on June 25, 2001 gave birth as about
1628 in Leon, Guanajuato.

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Parents for Christobal were Domingo HERNANDEZ GAMINO born about 1603 in Extremadura, Spain and married to Juana GOMEZ de ESPEJO, daughter of Garci BRAVO de LAGUNAS and Juana GOMEZ de ESPEJO.

My old notes on Domingo...!

! Birth from Steven HERNANDEZ Aug 28, 1999.
It is not known exactly when he arrived in the New World. He was already here about 1627 when around that year he wed Juana GOMEZ de Espejo, daughter of Garcí BRAVO de Lagunas and Juana GOMEZ de Espejo. They had 17 children. SH

The surname of HERNANDEZ, during colonial times was known as HERNANDEZ GAMIÑO. HERNANDEZ GAMIÑO was a compounded name, two names in one, typical of the majority of the Spanish last names of the era. The HERNANDEZ GAMIÑO family was and still is one of the most extended families in the Los Altos region of Jalisco, especially in Arandas and Ayo el Chico where they multiplied prolifically. The HERNANDEZ GAMIÑOS were the main founders of the new town of Arandas, originally called Santa Maria de Guadalupe de los Arandas, in the 1760's. They also spread into parts of Guanajuato and Michoacan. All of the HERNANDEZ GAMIÑOS descend from Domingo HERNANDES GAMIÑO, the first Spanish settler of this last name in the Los Altos region and patriarch of this vast family. SH

During the time of Jose Maria HERNANDEZ GAMIÑO (b. 30 Jun 1796) the compound name of HERNANDEZ GAMIÑO was reduced to HERNANDEZ. Thus he was simply known as Jose Maria HERNANDEZ.

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I show the parents of Domingo as being Juan HERNANDEZ and Anna VELASQUEZ.

My old notes on Juan...!

! Name from Steven HERNANDEZ Aug 28, 1999.
Juan HERNANDEZ, "el Escribano (the Scribe)" was born around 1576 in the province of Extremadura in Spain. He married Anna VELASQUEZ sometime around 1599. There is no record or knowledge of other children other than Domingo HERNANDEZ Gamiño. SH

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I have not updated this family for many years. I may be in error on some of the things stated here. I welcome comment.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Daniel M�ndez del Camino wrote:

> From: Daniel M�ndez del Camino
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana Dominguez de Inojos
> To: "Patty Hoyos"
> Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 6:16 PM
> I have a strong feeling Juan is son of Domingo Hernández
> yGamiño and Juana Gómez de Espejo? But need to verify it
> with documentation! This is my take of a possible take on
> it. Once again only a possibility, there was a Juan but have
> no marriage info or such! They were from Ayo El Chico to go
> all the way to aguas to get married is interesting if he is
> Gamiño. Taking the time frame Domingo "el mayor"
> from Trujillo, Spain was the patriarch, so its possible this
> is the Juan, but we need a marriage or from familysearch or
> something.
>
>
> Diego Gómez de
> Espejo-----Antonia ????
>
> |
> Domingo Hernández y Gamiño------Juana Gómez de Espejo
> |
> Juan Hernández y
> Gamiño------------Ana Domínguez
>
> |
> Juan de Macías y Valadés------Juana Gómez de
> Espejo
> |
> Sebastián de Macías y
> Valadés------------Juana González de Hermosillo
>
>
> *Daniel Camino
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