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I have been reading the posts on these two names, Tello de Lomas and Sandi de Diaz Lines, and wanted to know if anyone has information on my below ancestors. Below is info from book, "San Gabriel Valley Families of Nueva Galicia" which is incredible and I highly reccomend anyone to buy this book if they have note.

I am looking for Marzela Tello de Lomas and her mother, Juana Diaz de Sandi, I would like to find information on Juana Diaz de Sandi's parents.

Marzela Tello de Lomas is the:

daughter of Francisco Tello de Lomas and Juana Diaz de Sandi. She married Joseph Manuel Gonzales de Hermosillo, the son of Luis Gonzales de Hermosillo and Maria Basilia Romo de Vivar on 3 June 1748 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco. The godparents were Matias Romo de Vivar and Maria de San Juan Moran de Ledesma of Lagos. The witnesses were Salvador Manuel Tello de Lomas and Pablo Diaz de Sandi.

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Daugther of Marzela is Josefa Marclela Gonazales. She is my ancestors.

JOSSEFA MARCELA GONZALES

Female Family

Spouse: ANTONIO BUENA VENTURA DE CUELLAR Family

Marriage: 24 SEP 1775 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

MARIA MARZELA THELLO DE LOMAS Pedigree

Female Family

Spouse: JOSEPH MANUEL GONZALES DE HERMOCILLO Family

Marriage: 03 JUN 1748 Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M602487 1729 - 1753 0639755 Film NONE

Just found this gem:

Jose Ignacio Davila Garibi book, La Sociedad de Zacatecas en los Albores del Regimen Colonial, Actuación de los principales fundadores y primeros funcionarios públicos de la ciudad. This genealogical gem has family trees of Perez de Oñate, Zaldivar, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Salazar, Rivadeneira, Merida y Molina, Salazar y de la Cadena, Oñate y Rivadeneira, Adelantado Juan de Oñate y Salazar, Tolosa-Cortes-Moctezuma, Temiño de Banuelos, Medrano, Pardo de Lago, Ibarra y Castilla and Oñate-Banuelos-Medrano-Chavez-Moreno. Mexico, 1939, 140 pp., soft cover. Old $97.50.

Carlos Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project
760-738-5959

Does any one know the names of the parents of
Mathiana Ruiz de Esparza who married on December 29, 1655, to Alonso Martin?

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  1. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Jaime R. Alvarado)
  2. Re: Orden de fotos (patty haro)
  3. Re: Jos? Joseph (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  4. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  5. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  6. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  7. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or (mendezdelcamino)
  8. Re: Jos? Joseph (Stuart Armstrong)
  9. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Stuart Armstrong)
  10. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Miggy GUTIERREZ)
  11. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  12. Re: Jos? Joseph (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  13. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Jaime R. Alvarado)
  14. Re: Jos? Joseph (AliceBB)
  15. Re: Jos? Joseph (Stuart Armstrong)
  16. Re: Jos? Joseph (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:21:48 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Jaime R. Alvarado"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza
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Miggy,
I am assuming that you are referring to the Luisa married to Juan de Ortiz. If that is correct then:
Juan Ortiz married Luisa de Esparza Lozano and Pedro Macias Valades married Luisa de Esparza Lisalde.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 4:04:58 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde

Jaime, Luisa was the daughter of Pedro Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lozano from Aguascalientes.

Miguel Angel Gutierrez
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaime Alvarado
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde

Juan de Ortiz married Luisa de Esparza on Dec. 13, 1666 in Aguascalientes (no parents listed). I've checked all the images of "Informacion Matrimonial" for 1666 in Pilot, but there are several months missing for that year. I was able to identify two potential individuals in Aguascalientes: Luisa Esparza Lozano, b. 6 Feb 1637, daughter of Pedro Ruiz Esparza and Juana Lozano, and Luisa Esparza Lisalde, born 28 Feb 1648 daughter of Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lopez Lisalde. I also know that Pedro Macias Valades married a Luisa de Esparza on July 2 1684 (no parents listed), after the death of his first wife, Francisca de Quiroga. Thus I am trying to figure out which of the two Luisas correspond to the respective marriages. Any help will be appreciated.

Jaime

Stuart, Are you saying that the actual entry in the church book states Joseph instead of Jose? That is weird, because I thought it only happened in entries that were transcribed (indexed?) by someone who took liberties. And yes, ph is Greek--I just taught Antigone by Sophocles. ABB

--- stuartarms@gmail.com wrote:

From: Stuart Armstrong
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] José Joseph
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:52:59 -0600

In a great many records circa 1775 Rincón de Romos the cura (Pablo
Romo de Vivar) consistently puts Joseph instead of José on marriage
records. He even prefers to George to Jorge, and frequently makes
other similar substitutions, such as Theresa for Teresa or Phelipe for
Felipe. Why is this? Was Joseph an earlier variation or is this just
the priest insisting on Anglicizing the names?

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009

Fellow Historians--

I have always been told that the fall from world power for Spain was in 1588 because of the Spanish Armada. Perhaps there are other opinions and perhaps it depends on which part of the world you got your history lessons from? Comments?

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

--- On Sat, 3/21/09, Daniel M�ndez del Camino wrote:

> From: Daniel M�ndez del Camino
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] José Joseph
> To: "Patty Hoyos"
> Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 10:57 AM
> The Bourb~n reforms were an important time in Spanish
> History, they brought the french political ideas to Spain,
> how to run the govt, many laws passed, which eventually led
> to the downfall of the Spanish empire, the ideas of
> Montesquie, Locke, and many enlightenment thinkers reached
> New Spain, and ignited the revoultion against Spain. There
> are many books dedicated just to this period of time it
> started in the 1770's-ca. 1805 not sure extact on dates
> right now. -Daniel
>
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  Spouse:  LORENSA DE SPARSA Family
  Marriage:  05 MAY 1658   El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

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  1. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Jaime R. Alvarado)
  2. Re: Orden de fotos (patty haro)
  3. Re: Jos? Joseph (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  4. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  5. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  6. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  7. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or (mendezdelcamino)
  8. Re: Jos? Joseph (Stuart Armstrong)
  9. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Stuart Armstrong)
  10. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Miggy GUTIERREZ)
  11. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  12. Re: Jos? Joseph (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)
  13. Re: Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde
      (Jaime R. Alvarado)
  14. Re: Jos? Joseph (AliceBB)
  15. Re: Jos? Joseph (Stuart Armstrong)
  16. Re: Jos? Joseph (Daniel M?ndez del Camino)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:21:48 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Jaime R. Alvarado"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza
    Lizalde
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Miggy,
I am assuming that you are referring to the Luisa married to Juan de Ortiz. If that is correct then:
Juan Ortiz married Luisa de Esparza Lozano and Pedro Macias Valades married Luisa de Esparza Lisalde.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 4:04:58 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde

Jaime, Luisa was the daughter of Pedro Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lozano from Aguascalientes.

Miguel Angel Gutierrez
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaime Alvarado
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luisa Esparza Lozano or Luisa Esparza Lizalde

Juan de Ortiz married Luisa de Esparza on Dec. 13, 1666 in Aguascalientes (no parents listed). I've checked all the images of "Informacion Matrimonial" for 1666 in Pilot, but there are several months missing for that year. I was able to identify two potential individuals in Aguascalientes: Luisa Esparza Lozano, b. 6 Feb 1637, daughter of Pedro Ruiz Esparza and Juana Lozano, and Luisa Esparza Lisalde, born 28 Feb 1648 daughter of Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lopez Lisalde. I also know that Pedro Macias Valades married a Luisa de Esparza on July 2 1684 (no parents listed), after the death of his first wife, Francisca de Quiroga. Thus I am trying to figure out which of the two Luisas correspond to the respective marriages. Any help will be appreciated.

Jaime

Linda,
I would like to access copies of the Zacatecas records that you have compiled. I' m not sure if this is the correct procedure for communicating such requests. Thank you in advance, Raymond Medrano

Sent from my iPhone

hola,
He estado navegado en el sitio de familysearch y por fin logre encontrar los
datos de la partida de bautismos de mi abuela, pero solo trae el número de
film y de batch, me dice que es del d.f. pero no me da el nombre de la
parroquia y como ustedes se imaginaran en el d.f. hay muchas parroquias,
alguien sabe como puedo conseguir el nombre de la parroquia con los datos
que tengo?
Muchas Gracias

Saludos
Patty

Hi, Daniel:

I checked my family history center for films in the area you asked, Hidalgo
del Parral in the 1600's, but they are all from the 1800's after 1850.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Alguien tiene información de Ana de Lizarrarás, quien fue madre de Desiderio Martín Gallardo.

Ayer buscando información sobre el matrimonio de Desiderio Gallardo y Jerónima de Torres, en Aguascalientes alrededor del año 1680, encontré un contrato de compra venta de una esclava entre Desiderio Martín Gallardo y Juan Altamirano de Castilla. En mencionado contrato se menciona que Desiderio adquirió a la esclava de parte de su madre Ana de Lizarrarás.

Lo que me gustaría saber es si este Desiderio Martín Gallardo es el que casó con Jerónima de Torres, así como saber quien es el esposo de Ana de Lizarrarás. Casi podría asegurar que es el mismo Desiderio, pero no estoy seguro.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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I would appreciate any comments, corrections and / or additions to my following 'dead-ends',
Juan MARTINES-CALBILLO and his wife Josepha AGUILERA De Sandi, and their descendants.

Also, what is the connection, if any, between them and the following couple:
Joseph MARTINES-CALBILLO, b. 1635? - d. Jan 1670, and his wife
Angelina AGUILERA De Sandi, b. Mar 1641, hija de Luiz AGUILERA y Luiza DE SANDI.
Known children: Joseph CALVILLO, b. Oct 1668, and Juana CALBILLO, 1670-1674.
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Back to the first couple:
Josepha AGUILERA De Sandi was Lorenzo RUIS-ESPARSA Gabay's second wife,
and I believe this Lorenzo RE was her second husband.
Lorenzo's first wife was Antonia CASTILLO Aldana,
and Josepha's first husband was Juan MARTINES-CALBILLO.

Marriage: 1 Aug 1677, El Sagrario, Ags. Ags., #299823, M604845
Lorenzo RUIZ de ESPARZA, con Josepha DE SANDI.
Note: a submission has his age as 56 and hers as 36 at the time of this marriage, but
the marriage document itself (I have a copy) does not list ages or other marriages.

John Inclan's Genealogia de Mexico gives this as Lorenzo's second marriage, and her
name as Josefa DE SANDI y AGUILAR.

Lorenzo's RUIS-ESPARSA's death gives spouse's name as Josepha de AGUILERA.
Juan MARTINES-CALBILLO's death gives spouse's name as Josepha DE SANDI.

Known children of Lorenzo & Josepha:
Lorenso ESPARSA De Sandi, b. Dec 1678
Ana ESPARZA Sandi, b. Aug 1682 (submission)

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Juan MARTINES-CALBILLO b. 1635? - d. 17 Apr 1673
and Josepha AGUILERA De Sandi, b. 1641? -aft Jul 1677
were married about 1662. Has anyone located this marriage?

[They were also known as Juan MARTIN Calbillo, Jn. Martin CALBILLO, Juan CALBIYO, Juan MTINES. Calvillo, Josepha AGUILAR De Sandi, Josepha DE SANDI y AGUILAR, Josepha AGUILERA. One grandchild has him as PERES-CALBILLO, but I've not located another.]

Known children, all bap or died in Aguascalientes, Ags.:
Joseph, b. ? - d. 31 Mar 1665
Anttonio, b. 16 Nov 1665 (spouse Mathiana FLORES-CASTRO De Nava)
Luiz, b. 22 Feb 1668, presbitero
Heugenio, b. 18 Dec 1669 - d. 29 Apr 1724
Anttonia, c. 1671 (spouse Nicolas Faustino AGUILERA Dias)
Joseph #2 ? - d. 14 Nov 1675
Juan, b. 2 Feb 1672 - d. 7 Dec 1674
Ygnasio, b. 13 Nov 1673

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Eugenio MARTINES-CALBILLO De Sandi
married Xetrudis RUIS-ESPARSA Albarado,
22 Mar 1692, Ags. Ags. #299823, M604845

Xetrudis was bap 10 Jun 1676, Ags. Ags.,
daughter of Xptobal SALADO, aka Cristobal RUIS-ESPARSA Losano,
and Anttonia ALVARADO Lopes-Elisalde.

[Eugenio & Xetrudis were also known as Heugenio CALBILLO De Sandi, Eugenio CALVILLO, Gertrudis SALADO, Xetrudis ESPARSA, Gertrudis RUIS-ESPARSA]

Known children, all but one bap or died in Ags., Ags.:
Joseph Cayetano CALBILLO, b. 7 Nov 1693
Alexandro MARTINES Salado, b. 9 Jun 1696
Joseph Judas CALBILLO Esparsa, b. 24 Dec 1698
Joseph Manuel CALVILLO Salado, b. Feb 1703, born Nochistlan, Zac.
Luis Lorenso CALVILLO Esparsa, b. 3 May 1707
Phelipe Judas CALVILLO RE, b. 9 Aug 1709 - d. 28 Oct 1782
Fernando CALVILLO RE, b. 29 Jun 1712
Luis Lorenso CALVILLO Esparsa, b. 20 Feb 1715

Phelipe married Teresa MUNOS-HERMOSILLO, aka GONSALES-Hermos. or Tiscareño.
Luis Lorenso #2 married Rosa Francisca DIAS-DE LEON.

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Joseph Manuel CALVILLO Salado
married Maria Eusebia DE LOS REYES Benavides
daughter of Joseph DE LOS REYES y ULLOA Gonsales
and Fernanda Maria BENAVIDES
20 Aug 1736, Ags. Ags. #299826, M604848.

Any help or additional information would be appreciated. Thank you.

Gloria Delgado

Bunas Tardes a todos los compañeros de este foro, desde hace un año estoy
trabajando en construir mi árbol genealogico en algunas ramas he avanzado
hasta cerca del año de 1800, para esto me han ayudado algunos datos del
foro, sin embargo no he avanzado mucho en una de ellas, la de mi bisabuelo

Bernardo Gómez quien vivio en el pueblo de Sauz de los Ibarra perteneciente
al municipio de San Juan de Los Lagos, nacio en este lugar alrededor de
1880

Lo he buscado en FamilySearch sin éxito, en que otra base de datos podria
buscar?, Bernardo Gomez se caso con Felipa Ramirez alrededor del año 1900.

De antemano Gracias por su ayuda

Atte

Mario Gonzalez Gomez

Yeah, I did the same thing. I first uploaded my Gonzalez file separate from
my other file. I just uploaded it again through my original genealogy
file. You go to your genealogy file where your other family trees are and
click on Edit. Then you go through that process again of uploading a file
and it will be added to your genealogy file. Then you just delete the other
one. Of course, if someone has an easier way, I'd like to know, too!

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Hello everyone,

I'm a new member to this group, and I wanted to let you know I have uploaded my GEDCOM which includes over 6,000 names. A lot of this tree is from Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, and Jalisco.

Sincerely,
Norberto Menchaca Morales III

I learned the following when consulting with a volunteer at my local FHC and am posting it in the hopes that it may be of use to others. If the Catholic marriage was of two people of different parishes, the banns would need to be posted in each church where each was then living. The banns wouldn't necessarily indicate in which church the marriage took place, and, of course, it could be in a parish where neither actually resided, but it was most likely in the woman's. The banns do indicate the parished involved. While this means ordering of even more films, maybe by hunting through both mg records and mg information records I can find some elusive marriages that are not in the IGI and not where the kids are born. I also learned that, if uncontested, the mg usually took place 3 weeks after the last bann.

I have been on a quest for the marriage record of Benigno Cabral and
Pioquinta Gonzalez. I have been reading George Ryskamps book on doing
hispanic research and have found a way to search out their marriage record.
First of all, I was told they were married in Zacatecas. That's all I have
to go on, whether it's accurate information or not. Secondly, Pioquinta, I
now know, was born in Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco in 1834 and Benigno in
Huejucar, Jalisco in 1828. This is right on the border of Zacatecas, but
what about in the early 1800's? What were the borders then? I have been
investigating this, looking for maps, etc. While these two areas are
currently part of the Diocese of Zacatecas, back when they were born and
when they were married, I have learned it was not yet the Diocese of
Zacatecas, that this diocese was not created until 1863. It was, before
that time, part of the "See?" of Guadalajara. I don't know what that is,
but I have been looking in the Family History Library Catalog for records
under Guadalajara that would include the region now in the Diocese of
Zacatecas, but without luck. There seems to be a gap in the history of that
region, between 1849 and 1859, right when they would have been married. I
have learned from Ryskamp's book that they were probably married where the
bride lived, but I have already checked the Huejuquilla El Alto marriage
records for that time period and did not find anything.

So, I've been plugging along with this, enjoying the detective work. Don't
have as much time to devote to this as I would like, but I'm still at it.

Take care, all
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

This will be of particular interest to the descendants of Reyes-Medina lines.
I was able to locate the marriage of Antonio de los Reyes to Isabel de Esparza, although she is listed as Isabel de Hortiz, daughter of Juan de Ortiz and Luisa de Esparza. I then found the marriage of Isabel's parents:

Juan de Ortiz married Luisa de Esparza on Dec. 13, 1666 in Aguascalientes (no parents listed, thus maybe someone has more info on this couple).

Their daughter, Isavel de Esparza, was born about 1667 and died before 1709.
Isavel (Isabel) appeared as Isabel Hortiz (Ortiz) in her marriage to Antonio de los Reyes, as Isabel de Esparza in the christening of her son Luis de Reyes and in the wedding of her son Joseph de Reyes, and as Isabel Ramirez in Luis' burial. I've not figured out the source of Ramirez.

Isabel de Esparza married Antonio de Los Reyes on Nov. 11, 1681 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. Antonio, son of Luis de Los Reyes (Luis1) and Juana Tiscareño de Molina, was born about 1665 and died on an unknown date.

Children of Isabel de Esparza and Antonio de Los Reyes were:

Joseph de Reyes , born about 1685 and died on an unknown date. Joseph married Beatris de Medina on Mar. 11, 1709 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes. Beatris, was daughter of Christobal de Medina and Maria de Avila, and was born on Apr. 16, 1687 in Aguascalientes; died on an unknown date.

and

Luis de Reyes, born on Apr. 27, 1693 in Aguascalientes, and died on Apr. 14, 1742 in Aguascalientes.Luis married Gabriela de Medina, also daughter of Christobal de Medina and Maria de Avila, on Nov. 14, 1714 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes.

Hi, Daniel:

I know someone that goes to my same family history center and she has a
bunch of films on indefinite loan there for that area. I will check to see
if they are of that time period. Unless someone else helps you out first!

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

George and Peggy who? This is great. Yeah, I'm going through the baptisms
microfilm for the San Diego parish now for that time period, 1833-1875, to
locate any other children. That is how I found siblings and cousins, aunts
and uncles of Pioquinta's. In the book on hijos naturales, there was an
entry that showed Benigno the father of his mother in law's baby in 1854, so
that was surprising and the priest who did the baptism, was Benigno's
brother, Pasqual Cabral. Interestingly, the baby and the priest were both
named Pasqual.

Thank-you for your comments. I am very interested in knowing how to contact
George and Peggy. Do they have a genealogy file on Nuestros Ranchos?

Thanks, again,
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Hi again, I also have Alejandro Chávez Fragoso and Paula Rivas, (I think Paula was from San Luís Potosí or Guanajuato) Alejandro and Paula married in Villa de Reyes, SLP, but should order the film to get the place where she was from, IGI had listed there parents which helps, and found kids for them in Aguascalientes. dont have a marriage date, I can somewhat say that Alejandro is the son of Francisco Chávez Fragoso, since in the Aguas films, hes the only Alejandro, Ive been able to find in Aguascalientes in the time frame, then Francisco is married 1681 to Marina Sotomayor daughter of Bernabé Montáñez (de Tovalino???) and Isabel Carillo de Sandi, who married 14 jun 1659 in Teocaltiche, (does anyone know who these guys are) back to Francisco was son of Simón Chávez Fragoso who married Juana Padilla (no marriage date) he is from Teocaltiche, Hacienda de San Marcos, which was own by the Chávez Fragoso. Not sure who Simón's parents are but due to the time frame, he should be a son of the patriarch, Pedro de Chávez y Fragoso, but I checked Retoños vol II and don Mariano does not list nothing on Simón, eventhough this name seems pretty common around 1660-or so, but my Simón is ca. 1617 or so.

-Daniel del Camino

Does anyone have any Chihuahua films? Or have extracted info or know any of the following names, I only have a couple lines in Chihuahua in the 1600's.

Francisco Yáñez married 24 mar 1697 in Hidalgo del Parral to Ignacia Piñón.

José Piñón married to Catalina Bernal (no more info)

Francisco de Mendoza married Petronila Sánchez de Ortega y Alarcón (no more info.

Francisco possibly married a second time to María de Amaya on 19 sep 1656.
Havent confirm it but it looks like only this Francisco was there arouncd 1630. I have a hunch he might be related somehow to the Domínguez de Mendoza or de Zaldívar y Mendoza families, these are the only two Mendoza families, I know of in Chihuahua (part of Nueva Vizcaya). -Daniel Méndez del Camino, Many Thanks.

I just posted my updated Ruiz family tree. I almost got it right. Its above my name in the files, not exactly where I wanted it, but close enough. If someone can advise me about how to undo and do it right, I will try to make that happen. Muchisimas gracias a Ray Jauregui and Deena Ortiz for helping me extend my ancestral lines. I hope my posting can do the same for others. I haven't had time to verify that which I've received from others, but will do so in time.

I need help if anyone out there can help me. I am researching my great great parents but need some advice. I was told that my great great grandfather and grandmother were born at Agua Gorda De Los Patos. This Rancho is right on the line of Zacatecas but....Ojuelos de Jalisco is really close to the Rancho. My mother said that it's posbile that they were registered in Ojuelos since it was a walking distance to the town but like I said....the rancho is on the line of Zacatecas. Would they allowe them back then to registere at Ojuelos Jalisco?

Please Advice.

I just wanted to share something wonderful that has happened because I post my files on Rootsweb.com.

I was contacted by a lady who said she had found out she was a Castanon by birth and was searching for her fathers line even though she never met him and was brought up by a step father. She said they were from Cutler and Dinuba Ca. and since my gr-grandparents, Vicente Castanon and Maria Gertruds Caldera, had lived there until their deaths in the 1940s I felt there must be some kind of connection. I contacted a cousin who grew up there and she was able to contact someone who knew who this lady was and is putting her in contact with half brothers and sisters she didn't know she had. She is very excited and happy to be able to find the missing part of her family of origin. I don't know how it will work out but at least she gets a chance to find out.

I asked her how she found me and she said she saw my files on Rootsweb.com and hoped I would respond. She is the reason I post my records in the hopes that I can help someone else to reclaim a history, a family or a connection to the past.

just wanted to share this wonderful story.

Linda in Everett

Hi, Everyone:

I just wanted to let you know that I just added a new file to my member's
genealogy file. Under Ardoin, Corrine, you will see I added my Gonzalez
Family Tree for the research I have been doing in Huejuquilla El Alto,
Jalisco. The source is primarily the LDS Film No. 1667417 San Diego Parish
Records Baptisms 1833-1875.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California