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Joseph,

How does the groups Banuelos SIG compare with the Ayala and Arriola ydna out on Genealogy of Mexico board? The Ayala there is a direct descenant of Diego Trevino as is the first Arriola there.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes : --------------

>
> So how would we go about finding a direct descendant of Baltasar Temiño
> de Bañuelos??? Are there trees out there for this line already? I'd love
> to compare the YDNA from the groups Banuelos SIG with the YDNA of a
> direct descendant of Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos.
>
> Can someone point me to a direct descendant so I can ask them for a YDNA
> sample???
>
> thanks,
>
> joseph
>
> ps: I've got $20 that I can invest in getting some YDNA testing for a
> direct descendant of Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos if they haven't already
> done so.
>
> ====================
>
> Joseph Puentes
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Have any of you male Banuelos relatives done DNA testing?
--
Esther A. Herold

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> Greetings from Lockhart, Tx: I need help with backtracking my Bañuelos ancestors. Marcelo Gonzales Bañuelos b 7 Jan 1859 in Juanchorrey Zac, son of Juan Jose Jesus Gonzales and Maria de Jesus Bañuelos b abt 1837, daughter of Anacelso (Aka Cleto) Bañuelos and Clemencia Carlos. Any help is appreciated as
> the present dialogue is very interesting. Thanks - Anita

Patricia,

This is where I got my info:

Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia; Tomo ll
Mariano Gonzalez-Leal
Chapter on "Flores de la Torre", pages 338-341

Sofia
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:42:14 -0700> From: canprin@yahoo.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Angela de Temiño y Velasco, source details> > Tuesday, August 25, 2008> > Dear Sophia-> > Do you have a Tomo and page number for the information below? I like to have my sources documented, in case a challenge comes up.> > Many thanks.> > Sincerely,> Patricia Burton> San Diego, Ca.
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Hello Phyls,

I imagine that that the Angela your asking about is Angela de Velasco y Figueroa Termino de Beñuelos, who was married to Diego Flores de Torre (1540-1653) Guadalajara.
I have her parents as Francisco Figueroa y Carbajal and Ana Maria Bañuelos.
"Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia"

Sofia
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84. MARIA BELEN PEREZ LOSANO - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 30 OCT 1843 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

Here is info on your Perez Losano line

7. JOSE YSMAEL PEREZ LOZANO - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Male Christening: 22 JUN 1850 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
66. JOSE DE JESUS PEREZ LOZANO - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Male Christening: 27 MAR 1848 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

HEre is more kids from Anacleto and Felicitas

1. MA. AURELIA ALBA JIMENES - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 04 MAY 1854 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico

2. NICOLASA ALVA JIMENEZ - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 11 SEP 1862 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico

3. ELIODORO ALVA JIMENES - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Male Christening: 08 MAY 1856 San Juan De Los

Hi All! I agree with Patricia, family history is fun the hours go by fast. Especially once you connect back to roaylty it is so cool! My favorite ancestor is Carlos V, the most powerful man ever lived (besides Jesus Christ of course)
HE owned all of Spain, the Americas, Nether lands, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Portugal, Italy, Corsica, Sicily, parts of France, Switerzland, parts of Poland. I eventually after college would like to visit All of Los Altos and know where a big chunck of my ancestors lived at one point in Spanish times. I would also like to visit all around Europe since my parents have "a lttle blood of everything" mostly England, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Italy, Germany and France. I plan to move to Spain eventually and meet all these cousins I hear bet havent met. COunt me in I will visit Yahualica! -Daniel :)
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Hola Claudia:
Curiosamente yo tambien Deciendo de Gonzalez y de Ledezma .Y Ledezma me lleva a Yahualica .
Juan Antonio Ledezma
Chr.12 May 1795
Yahualica,Jal.
Hijo de Jose Antonio Ledezma y Maria Patricia Flores.
Cuyo Microfilm 1152475 Bautizmos 1778-1814 resien me acaba de llegar al Family History Center de Riverside California, pero no he tenido tiempo de revisarlo,si dentro de este microfilm se encuentran tus antepasados hasmelo saber y yo con mucho gusto te mando una copia de la acta de bautizmo de cada uno de ellos.Me perecio haber visto algunos micro flms de Yahualica en ese centro.Mandame los nombres con los #'s de microfilm. Y con suerte encuentras lo que buscas.
Jose Luis Felix
Perris California.

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:48:29 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] YAHUALICA, Jalisco - GONZALEZ, LISARDE, VASQUEZ, LEDESMA (Marriage films anyone?)> > > Hola amigos, primos and fellow geneologists.> > My

Just a common misread when the films were being indexed for the IGI, LISARDE was misread for
LISALDE, of whom are the original family of López de Elisalde. When searching still try to look up with Lisarde since most of them are under that because of a simple mistake. -Daniel
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There are films for "información matrimonial", you should consult the familysearch site catalog. Good luck
 
Leticia Leon

--- El jue 21-ago-08, Claudia_Reynoso escribió:

My search this week is in Yahualica, where I am working on extending my
Gonzalez line, and I am stuck. Maybe a fellow member can assist with the
following...

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Hola Ronnie. No te culpo por estar confundido. It took me a while to
figure out all the connections. What you have is correct, except that
you're missing two earlier generations. Diego Flores de la Torre married to
Beatriz de Anda Altamirano y Castañeda was the third Encomendero de
Juchipila. His parents were his namesake Diego Flores de la Torre and Doña
Angela de Velasco. This Diego was the second Encomendero de Juchipila. His
father Hernán Flores, Conquistador de la Nueva Galicia, married to Doña
María Alvarez de la Torre, was the first Encomendero. This was his second
marriage. His first wife was Isabel de Alvarado, daughter of Gómez de
Alvarado and niece of the Adelantado de Guatemala Capt. Pedro de Alvarado.
As far as I know, there were no children from his first marriage.

Take care, primo.
Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald Reynoso"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:45 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Attention Primo Bill Figueroa-Diego

gracias, puede decirme la conexion que existe
 
Jorge mICHEL

--- El mar 12-ago-08, papa salvador escribió:

De:: papa salvador
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] message for Jorge Michel
A: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: martes, 12 agosto, 2008, 12:14 am

I have some data for: Manuel \MICHEL Zamora, I hope I can connect you with
the whole MICHEL tree, contact me so we can share information

I have a hunch it's Basque (Vasco) surname, just by looking at it reminds of the Basques in Spain.
-Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Hi Angelina, as far as I know their isnt really a list, I guess in México namley Los Altos and Aguas if someone knew who owned the hacienda "they knew". If your family supposly owned then my best guess was that they did. On records you can easily know about families who owned them if it is called el rancho de los Rodríguez, then the best guess would be Los Rodríguez. Our hacienda
was originally "El Carretón de la Hacienda de Nuestra Señora de la Luz del CAMINO"
Owned from 1850-1918, before we purchased that we were said to have own other haciendas
in Aguas and Pinos. -Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Joseph,

Esther Harold misspelled the surname Temiño de Velasco. The record you have
definitely says Tremiño with an "R", first on the left margin of the
document and second on the document itself. Married were Justo Rufino
Puente and María Josefa Gregoria Sánchez Tremiño. Close, but not equal.
There is also a Treviño surname, but this is neither Temiño nor Treviño.
I've NOT seen Tremiño in Aguascalientes, so it may be unique to Zacatecas
and the Real y Minas de Sombrerete.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Temino or Tremino

Can someone have a look at this record and tell me if the surname in
this record from Sombrerete is Temino or probably Tremino.

thanks,

joseph

Here, Corrine, a reference for the term "venta" from "El Quijote de la Mancha":
 
“…y, al anochecer, su rocín y él se hallaron cansados y muertos de hambre; y que, mirando a todas partes por ver si descubriría algún castillo o alguna majada de pastores donde recogerse y adonde pudiese remediar su mucha hambre y necesidad, vio, no lejos del camino por donde iba, una venta, que fue como si viera una estrella que, no a los portales, sino a los alcázares de su redención le encaminaba. Diose priesa a caminar, y llegó a ella a tiempo que anochecía.
Estaban acaso a la puerta dos mujeres mozas, destas que llaman del partido, las cuales iban a Sevilla con unos arrieros que en la venta aquella noche acertaron a hacer jornada; y, como a nuestro aventurero todo cuanto pensaba, veía o imaginaba le parecía ser hecho y pasar al modo de lo que había leído, luego que vio la venta, se le representó que era un castillo …”

--- El mar 19-ago-08, Corrine Ardoin escribió:

Hi, Everyone:
The term is

Hi Corrine!
 
I had found this term "puesto" in my search, it refers to a "venta" or "posta" which is a place to rest and feed travelers and horses and mules, merely a hotel. You could try to go to this link:
 
http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/jalisco/mpios/14048a.h…
 
from where I extracted this:
"A mediados del siglo XVI, en que se suprimieron las encomiendas, aparecen la estancia y el rancho en Los Altos, y surgen los puestos o ventas que eran los albergues o posadas que se establecían en los caminos reales."
 
¿Could you translate the reference above for whom may need it? I am not good for the task. 
 
You will find useful a page in the web: Enciclopedia de los Municipios de México maybe there are more reference to such term.

--- El mar 19-ago-08, Corrine Ardoin escribió:

The term is "puesto." They will say so and so
was
originally from and a resident "del puesto de San Antonio." I looked
up the
word and the only thing that would make sense is that it

Hello Corrine,

Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 9:01:32 AM, you wrote:

> a new term I have never run across before and wanted to ask if anyone
> knows what it means. The term is "puesto." They will say so and so was
> originally from and a resident "del puesto de San Antonio." ...

> used interchangeably with a person being originally from and a resident "del
> Hacienda de San Antonio." So, I'm wondering, is it a military post or a
> Hacienda, or does "puesto" refer to something on this hacienda?

I've also seen this usage, also apparently interchangeable (based on,
say a marriage petition and the marriage certificate of the same
event) with hacienda. I assumed from some dictionary clues that it
probably means something like "place of" or "vecinity of". At first I
thought it might be a miss-transcription of pueblo or puerto, but I
finally concluded that puesto was correct.

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Hi Corrine, "Puesto", in my reference book says, " A place, post. or small town" From "Compilation of Colonial Spanish Tearms and Documents Related Phrases" Maybe this will help a bit. Tom S Aguinaga> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:01:32 -0700> From: corrine@ardoin.us> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Terms & Place Names In Records> > Hi, Everyone:> I am currently going through a film for the marriage records of the San> Diego Parish of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco for the 1800's. Well, I have> found a new term I have never run across before and wanted to ask if anyone> knows what it means. The term is "puesto." They will say so and so was> originally from and a resident "del puesto de San Antonio." I looked up the> word and the only thing that would make sense is that it means a military> post or a post of some kind. But, there is no other information given in> these records to indicate this is so. Also, this is> used interchangeably with a person

On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 08:01 -0700, Corrine Ardoin wrote:
> Hi, Everyone:
> I am currently going through a film for the marriage records of the San
> Diego Parish of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco for the 1800's. Well, I have
> found a new term I have never run across before and wanted to ask if anyone
> knows what it means. The term is "puesto." They will say so and so was
> originally from and a resident "del puesto de San Antonio." I looked up the
> word and the only thing that would make sense is that it means a military
> post or a post of some kind. But, there is no other information given in
> these records to indicate this is so. Also, this is
> used interchangeably with a person being originally from and a resident "del
> Hacienda de San Antonio." So, I'm wondering, is it a military post or a
> Hacienda, or does "puesto" refer to something on this hacienda? Well, if
> you may know, I would appreciate some info about this, because so many of
> the place names given are

In searching marriage records in Sagrario (Asunción), Aguascalientes
in the early 1700's late 1600's I have noted more than the expected
number of brides and grooms who use their mother's surname. I usually
expect that these are natural children, but the number of occurances
suggests a matronymic naming pattern. Does anyone know if this was the
case in that time period?

I am not asserting that this is true: I am asking whether anyone else
has any knowledge of this. Maybe it was just sloppy record keeping.

BTW, I appreciated the comments regarding "help with name forms". They
were most helpful.

Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Sunday, August 17, 2008

Dear Corrine-

Although we do not share the same family lines, I
enjoyed reading this email of yours. I wish you good
luck on your future research.

Previously I lived in Santa Maria for a short time
while in grade school. I later graduated from Lompoc
High School in 1965. I have many pleasant memories of
this part of California.

Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

--- Corrine Ardoin wrote:

> Hi, Everyone:
> I updated my genealogy file folder. I added some
> more names to my surname
> list and I placed my updated ancestral charts in the
> file, removing the old
> charts. You will note that one of these charts is
> called a "Preliminary"
> chart. This is because it is the information I am
> basing my research on. I
> put it into chart form to aid my research and show
> Nuestros Ranchos members
> more clearly the direction this body of research is
> heading.
>
> This "Preliminary Cabral Ancestral Chart" is based
> on the research I have
> done on my

Thank you for sharing your progress...it certainly energizes me to stay
motivated in continuing my research of my ancestral lines. I have too found
that the Family Research Pilot website has been a useful tool; I found more
ancestors that my family never knew of. Again, thank you for sharing.

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Ardoin
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:36 AM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Updated My File

Hi, Everyone:
I updated my genealogy file folder. I added some more names to my surname
list and I placed my updated ancestral charts in the file, removing the old
charts. You will note that one of these charts is called a "Preliminary"
chart. This is because it is the information I am basing my research on. I
put it into chart form to aid my research and show Nuestros Ranchos members
more clearly the direction this body of