Hola, everyone:

My name is Rian and I am currently researching my 10th great-grandfather, Andrés de ARAIZA. I believe he was born around 1635 and he married Micaela de YSASI/ISASSI around 1655. Their children are: Catalina de ARAIZA (1658-?) and Antonio de ARAIZA (1661-?), both of whom were born in Ahualulco de Mercado, Jalisco. Andrés de ARAIZA died 4 Jul 1662 in Ahualulco de Mercado, Jalisco. 

This WikiTree* says that Andrés de ARAIZA's parents were Juan de ARAIZA y MEDINA and María de las Islas, however I have not found any sources that support this.

*WikiTree: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Araiza-16

Has anyone come across my 10th great-grandfather, Andrés de ARAIZA, in their research and knows how he fits into the picture?

Siempre agradecido,

Rian R.

¡Saludos a todos!

I am very excited to be joining this group. I live in California, USA, and I trace my ancestry back to the early Mexican settlers who came to California between 1769 and 1848. I am currently investigating my family's lines in Ahualulco, Jalisco.

Some of the families I am researching are: VÁSQUEZ, GÓMEZ, CORONA, DE ARAIZA, CORTÉS, DE YSASI/ISSASI, TIZNADO, ALVARÉZ, "CASTELO," RODRÍGUEZ, PATRÓN, DE LEÓN, DE HARO, PACHECO, DEL VALLE, DE SOTO, DE ÁVILA, ESPINOSA, LUGO.

I look forward to collaborating with everyone!

Atentamente,

- Rian R. (https://nuestrosranchos.org/rian)

Hello,

Thank you for allowing me to join this group. I am looking forward to learning from everyone here. I've been lurking for awhile now as a visitor reading public posts and am impressed by the knowledge and research of the members here.

Even though I've researched my Texas and American ancestors for a few years I'm a novice with Mexican genealogy. I have many questions and maybe a bit of original research to contribute, also. 

I am researching families primarily in Jalisco and Guanajuato that are spread out like a wide curved paintbrush stroke from Aquascalientes southeast across Encarnación de Díaz and Lagos de Moreno through León and ending around Silao.

Surnames include (bold type indicates special interest): Gómez/Gómes, Tavares/Tabares, Pacheco, Carillo, Mena, Beloso/Veloso/Velas, Villegas, López de Lara, Padilla/Padilla de Ávila, Mezquita/Amesquita, Araisa/Araysa/Araiza, Quirós, Días/Díaz, Abrego, Sánches/Sánchez, Almaguer, Yañez, Ojeda, Hernández Ñagas, Saavedra, Mendoza, Santoyo, Santos, San Joseph, Luna y Tapía, Amador, Hernández/Hernándes/Hernándes de Aguila, Lópes/López, Chavarria, Martínez/Martín, Flores, de la Cruz, de los Reyes, Zamores/Samores, de Silva/de Silba, Medina, Espitia, Lovato/Lobato, Ximénes/Giménes/Jiménes, Espinosa/Espinoza, Gonzáles/González, Alonzo, Ortiz de Parada, Moreno, Gonzáles de Ruvalcava, Gallardo, Rodas, Balderrama/Valderrama/Gauderrama, Beserra/Becerra, Carrillo, Romo/Romo de Vivar, Macías, Baladés/Valadés, Lomelín, Ruiz de Esparza/Ruis de Esparsa, de la Cerda, de la Cerna, López de la Cerda, Báez/Báes/Váez/Vaz, Ysassi/Isassi/Ysas/Isasi, Rodrígues/Rodríguez, Ponse/Ponce/Ponze, Gutiérrez, Torres, Garnica, Cardoza/Cardosa, Cardona, Zamarripa/Samarripa, Cortéz/Cortés, Pichardo and de la Mota.

With multiple lines of descent from the following couples in the 1600's and 1700's: 

• Simón Báez and María de la Cerda
• Juan Días Toribio and Ines de Abrego
• Bartholomé de Mesquita and Luisa de Torres
• d. Juan Christoval de Luna y Tapía and Beatris Ynes
• Capitán Martín Gabadi de Navarro and da. Petronila de Moctezuma
• Diego Becerra and María Días (alias María Hurtado)

Thanks again,

Travis

A new member (NA, T) asked if anyone in the group has, or is working on this. Also whether it would be good information to upload to the website (Not my area of research but I'd say YES, please do):

I am working on a transcription of the 1669 padron of the Villa de Santa María de los Lagos, with some genealogical notes on its individuals and family groups with some references to records (marriage, baptism and dispensas). I'm only on page 11 so far so it'll be awhile before I'm finished. Ultimately my intention is to cross-reference it with the 1676 padron. Also, I'm indexing the pueblos and ranchos in the 1808 padron (with brief notes on some ranches like chain of ownership, name changes, etc.). 

Joseph Puentes

ps: just in case if you all see any Puente/Puentes/De La Puente in any of those records or Diaz too please bring them to my attention.

Hi everyone, 

I'm trying to read another document from Francisco de Covarrubias, but I can't make out what the highlighted words say. Could someone take a look and let me know what the highlighted words say? I really appreciate it. 

Estimados compañeros,

¿Alguno de ustedes tiene información que lleve a la localizaión del origen de Rodrigo de Pinedo, residente en Jerez y marido de Catalina Cid Caldera?

Agradeceré enormemente cualquier información al frespecto.

Un cordial saludo,

hfaizcorbe

In search of any Jauregui descendants that  originated in Nochistlan then carried over to Mexticacan & Cañadas Jalisco.  Ancestor Nicolas de Jauregui, from Los Yugos Cañadas, born around 1790, is who we are researching.  Married 1st wife, Petra Gomez. 2nd wife, Juana Yniguez. Searching for  maternal & paternal records for Nicolas Jauregui as his mother was recorded as Juana de Jauregui. He must have taken his mother's surname. 

When I cleaned up several generations on the Esparaza tree on Family Search to reflect the accurate relationships I was very careful to include the correct mother’s maiden name on each record which was especially important on generations with the same name, like Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa and Lope Ruíz de Esparza Diaz. However, the same Family Search user who had deleted the couple relationship mentioned on my previous post changed a number of the names, including some, but not all of the wives by adding long extensions like these: 

Lic. Lope Ruíz De Esparza Espinoza Sr. De Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui 
Lic. Pedro Ruíz De Esparza Caparroso Sr. De Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui - Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa’s son Martin Ruíz De Esparza Huici Sr. De Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui - Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa’s father 
María de Larrasoaña Sra. Del Palacio de Zariquiegui – One of Martin Ruíz De Esparza Huici’s wives (Not Lope’s mother)

This extended version of the name was obviously taken from court documents like the example below that uses the name in the title with the added description in the Content of the summary, but this isn’t always the case. There are many court actions that only use Lope Ruiz de Esparza in both the title and Content of the court action.

LOPE RUIZ DE ESPARZA contra DOMINGO DE OSCOZ
Content: Lope Ruiz de Esparza, señor de los palacios de Esparza (Galar) y Zariquiegui, vecino de Pamplona, contra Domingo de Oscoz, residente en el barrio de Santa Engracia de Pamplona, sobre retrocesion de la venta de una viña junto al degolladero de Pamplona de Antonio de Espinosa, su primo carnal, por 47 ducados, alegando derecho de tanteo como pariente mas cercano.

My question is whether those of nobility were referred to as Lord or Lady of a domain from birth, or only after the death of the father? It doesn’t make sense to me that three generations of Esparza men who may have been alive at the same time would all be referred to as Lord of Esparza de Galar y Zariquiegui. It seems that, for genealogy purposes, using the mother’s maiden name after the paternal surname distinguishes one generation from another sufficiently. Family Search offers another area called Other Formation/Alternate Name where name variations and additional information can be added.

Anyway, I looked into what Family Search recommended for Name entry and following the guidelines changed the names back to the ones I had originally used with paternal and maternal surnames. I included Source documents that stated ONLY the name without the extended description in the title of court actions, suggested that name variations could be added under Other Formation/Alternate Name, and actually added the extended information in that section. Again, the user changed them all back to the extended names. I’m not to get into a dueling match with this user and make any more changes. Meanwhile, I’m going to a Family Search seminar in June that deals with how to maintain accuracy in trees and deal with those who are making it difficult, so I will bring up my issues then. 

Thanks for any insight that can be offered here about title and name traditions in Spain during the Middle Ages and in genealogy, in general. 

I have been doing major research online from home and my local Family History Center in an effort to ensure a more accurate ancestor tree on Family Search for the Ruiz de Esparza family that originated in the Pamplona, Spain area. I’m aware that back in 2016 there were discussions here about this family, but am sharing my experience in case there may be something new and also, in the hope someone here may be able to assist me with questions I’ve encountered. 

The most challenging issue, my main priority, was correcting the extra generation that resulted from the creation of a record for Lope Ruiz Esparza b. 1500 as the son of Lope Ruiz Esparaza Espinosa b. 1510 and Maria Caparroso b. 1533. This record presented Lope Ruiz Esparza b. 1500 as the husband of Anna Maria Díez de Eguino b. 1522 with their child Lope Ruiz de Esparza Diaz b. 1569 (who is the progenitor of the Ruiz de Esparza line in Aguascalientes, Mexico.) Obviously, the son could not have been born before the father and mother!

It was a complicated project to make the necessary corrections and I was very careful use Source documents each step of the way to ensure an accurate tree resulted with Lope Ruiz de Esparza Diaz b. 1569 being the son of Lope Ruiz Esparaza Espinosa b. 1510 and Anna Díez de Eguino b. 1522 who was mother of Lope (the younger) as the result of an additional relationship between Lope (the elder) and Anna Maria Diez de Equino. The birth years may, or may not be correct, as although there was Source documentation for the relationships, there were no specific birth years included. In some cases, there was explanation presented for the estimated years, in others there was none. Any insight, or documentation sources for birth years would be appreciated.

I read somewhere here that Lope Ruiz de Esparza Espinosa and Ana Maria Diaz de Eguino were not married. I located this reference on page 193 of Martin Leal’s Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia, 5-3 Ruiz de Esparza 

 “Anna Díez de Eguinoa is a resident of the town of Raona in Mescoaslaalta; that Lope Ruiz de Esparza is publicly considered to be her natural son and that of Lope Ruiz de Esparza, the elder. That being free, single, and about to be married, she gave birth to the aforementioned Lope Ruiz de Esparza, the younger.”

This states they were “about to be married” so, they may or may not have ever been married, but it clearly confirms the parents of Lope Ruiz de Esparza b. 1659.

In the process of searching for the necessary Source documents I discovered the record below: 

1595 Lope Ruiz de Esparza and Isabel de Ascarraga against Juan de Espinal and Juana Salinas

Content: Lope Ruiz de Esparza, lawyer of the Royal Courts, and Isabel de Ascarraga, his wife, lords of the palaces of Esparza (Galar) and Zariquiegui, residents of Pamplona, ​​against Juan de Espinal and Juana de Salinas, his wife, residents of Pamplona, ​​regarding the scope of accounts of an arbitrary judgment in a lawsuit relating to the payment of interest on a census of 1,500 ducats subject to a house in the Pellejerias neighborhood of Pamplona.

This clearly states that in 1595 Isabel de Ascarraga was the wife of Lope Ruiz Esparza. This has to be Lope Ruiz Esparaza Espinosa (the elder) because there is another Source document that shows Lope Ruiz Esparaza (the younger) on a passenger list to the Indies in 1593. When I looked for the record of Isabel de Ascarraga I discovered that she is presented as the wife of Pedro Ruíz De Esparza y Caparroso b. 1551, son of Lope Ruiz Esparza Espinosa (the elder). 

Then I found this Source document:

Hello, all!

I am hoping to get some help with the address in the following document, please.

page 242, record 5049.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPJ1-K36

record 5220.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPJ9-JN3

I can make out house 607.  It's the street name that I can't quite make out.  Calle 44 <Something> Hidalgo.

I'm hoping to locate the nearest parish to search for baptismal records for the children of Hilario Lopez and Angela Morales.

Thank you!