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I'm hoping someone can help me translate what this document says. It's about Francisco de Covarrubias married to Isabel de Rodas. I can figure out a couple of things but was hoping someone with more experience could help me figure out what some of the words say. I attached the document. thank you!
I posted a comment on the previous topic "Lope Ruiz de Esparza 'el menor' is the 3rd cousin to St. Francisco Javier de Jasso," but since it was from 2016, I'm creating a new topic. I recently joined Nuestros Ranchos with hopes of finding more about the Esparza family that originated in Pamplona, Spain, among other challenges. I ran into Nuestros Ranchos while searching for documentation that verifies what is posted on Family Search. Does someone know whether the book mentioned by Rick A. Ricci in the previous topic has been published. If nothing else, the posts here have given me new resources to investigate. I'm happy to share anything new that I might discover, but there's so much here, I don't know whether I'll find more than what's already been shared.
My tree created using Family Search is in my folder is at https://nuestrosranchos.org/lambchop48, but the names and dates, especially in the Esparza branch, change each time I look because of updates and merges completed, often without source documentation other than "family" or "facts." My goal is to be able to find and use source documents with correct names and dates, so the trees on Family Search will be accurate. Thanks for any assistance that can be offered.
Hello! My name is Dana and I’m looking forward to learning more, and helping others to learn more about their ancestors. Back in the 1980s I learned how to create a genealogy chart when I took a Cultural Anthropology course in college. That started me on my genealogy research journey. The first step was adding extended family. There was no Internet, or simple way to gather the information, so I started the old- fashioned way by writing for copies of vital records, like birth, death and marriage and contacting family members. I especially focused on the older generations who I knew may not be with us for long. They shared treasured stories and photos.
Over the years I expanded my family tree, but I wanted to know more than just the names and dates. My goal was, and is, to understand the historical context of the locations and gain insight into the culture and migration of my ancestors from Spain, to Mexico, Arizona and Southern California where I was born. Internet opened the realm of possibilities. When I retired about ten years ago I was able to devote more time to reading and research. In 2019 I began using Family Search which enabled me to, not only expand my tree, but identify research resources through the sources attached to records. I found the Nuestros Ranchos site through a note posted on one of my family members records.
To summarize my ancestors as they relate to Nuestros Ranchos – four of my paternal generations originated in Aguascalientes and eight generations were born and/or married in Jalisco, Mexico with the most recent being my grandmother Ana Maria Gomez who was born in Guadalajara in 1897. Her father was born in Ciudad Guzmán, Zapotlán el Grande. Five prior generations originated in Ojuelos and the earliest generation in Jalisco was in Guadalajara. Martin Perez de Gardea was born in Guadalajara in 1569 and his wife Mariana González de Rubalcava was born in Teocaltiche in 1587. Mariana’s father Alonso González de Rubalcava is my 11th great grandfather. Subsequent generations of his family founded San Antonio de los Adobes, now known as Union de San Antonio, on one of the most important estates they owned.
In 1526 Alonso was born in Heras about 10 km from his family’s ancestral home in Liérganes and 14 km from Santander, Cantabria, Spain. He emigrated to The Indies/New Spain when he was an adolescent in about 1540 and originally settled in Pátzcuaro in Michoacán. Alonso fathered a son by an indigenous woman in 1545. By 1560 he was married to a Creole woman, had been knighted and owned land grant in Santiago Copándaro, south of Lake Cuitzeo. He was a rancher and builder. He moved to Guadalajara when he was offered a special commission as master builder to erect Guadalajara's second Cathedral. Construction began in 1565.
Alonso was married to a Creole woman during this time, but about 10 years later returned to Pátzcuaro where he married Beatriz Baeza López y Perez Santaella in 1570. Her father Capitán Juan Baltazar De Baeza and maternal grandfather Capitán Francisco de Padilla Santaella were conquistadors during the Cortez Expeditions. Santaella was killed in the 1519 Battle of Tabasco. Alonso's maternal grandfather was Capitán Ruy de González Suárez who was also a conquistador with the Cortez Expeditions.
My lineage from Alonso González de Rubalcava is through his daughter Mariana González de Rubalcava who was born in Teocaltiche, Jalisco in 1587, as previously mentioned. Both Alonso and his wife are buried there. The generations that followed settled in Aguascalientes, Jalisco. My information about Alonso González de Rubalcava is from Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia. Alonso de Rubalcava by Mariano González-Leal.
I've also identified another branch in my lineage that begins with Miguel Ruiz de Esparza born in 1647 in Aguascalientes, Jalisco and goes back to the middle 1300s in what was then part of the Basque region in Pamplona, Spain. I’ve discovered that there was exchange about the Esparza family here back in 2016, but have yet to learn the final results. Perhaps, some of the information I’ve mentioned is helpful to another member of this group. My purpose in joining Nuestros Ranchos is to find documents that verify some of the data that has been entered on Family Search, but not necessarily supported by sources. Vital information like birth dates and locations have been changed and records merged resulting in conflicts that don’t make sense. Through the process I hope to sort out what is accurate through documented sources. My next step is to review more of what has been posted and uploaded here and share what I have that may be of interest.
According to the informacion matrimonial of my ancestor Emeterio Ramirez who got married in Michoacan in 1858 he was 38 during that time and was from Teocaltiche Jalisco. It also says his parents were Santiago Ramirez and Rafaela Ponce but after reading other documents I think his father was actually called Santos Ramirez.
Most of the files from that era and place including surrounding areas in Jalisco are indexed but I actually checked them anyway and found nothing. Apparently the family moved to Michoacan at some point but the only one who returned or remained there was his sister Josefa Ramirez who married Juan Gomez in 1847 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco.
I don't know if I'm doing something wrong in my research, I dont have experience with this region so I would like to read other opinions on this brickwall.
Hola a todos,
Perhaps some of you already know of this, in which case it’s old news, but for some time, FamilySearch has made available access to the padrones of Jalostotitlán, beginning in 1650 (of which those of the 17th century are handily transcribed and published in a series of books by Sergio Gutiérrez, which I highly recommend):
1650-1837 Jalostotitlán padrones: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9K7-WSZH?i=0&cat=2302…
And I just noticed the other day that they have finally uploaded the padrones of 1649 and 1689:
1649 Jalostotitlán: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHJ-27CL-ZCFL?view=explore…
1689 Jalostotitlán: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHN-57C2-XSQP-H?view=explo…
While the rest of these padrones have been available, the 1689 padrón is new to me. This has helped bridge that gap between 1679 and the 1700s - an entire generation!
I hope you find these useful! Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo
Hi Community and thank you very much for accepting me, I've been investigating several years regarding the last name Rosas which is a very common last name in San Martin Hidalgo, Jalisco.
I was able to track my Ancestor Domingo de Roxas which was married to Joana Berrinches and had a son called Domingo Gregorio de Rosas which is also my direct ancestor, Domingo Gregorio was born 1728 in "Cañada de Botas" in Cocula, what I'm trying to know if is the Ancestor Domingo de Roxas was the same that was born in Guadalajara son of Nicolas de Rosas Gonzalez Romero and Ysabel Guzman Paz, since I have not found any marriage certificate from Domingo de Roxas and Joana Berrinches in Cocula, and I reviewed a lot of documents.
If you have something regarding this or if you could point me in the right direction I'll appreciate, or if you are also investigating Rosas I could add to your research
Thanks in advance!
Introduction / Any help with Maria de la Merced Gonzalez de Hermosillo Perez-Franco. is appreciated!
Hi. I am Miguel and am honored to be able to participate in this amazing community. Thank you Joseph! and Primos.
I’ve been working on a project for my wife for 8 months now on building her family three, but I’ve halted for 3 months on María Merced González (de Hermosillo Perez-Franco) / María (de la) Merced (Cleofás Micaela del Sacramento) González (Pérez)
She is reported on “Familias novohispanas. Un sistema de redes” and ancestry.com as Daughter to Rafael González de Hermosillo Zermeño and Mariana Josefa Pérez-Franco Prido
However, I’ve not been able to match Rafael/Josefa to Merced on any other document (possibly because Mercedes only uses the last name Gonzalez and interchanges Mercedes for Maria de la Merced but mostly because I believe Rafael lived under the siege of the independence war). I've updated some more info on https://nuestrosranchos.org/mllovera.
I’ve found 7 sources transcribed bellow supporting its offsprings as well as dates and geographical congruence but no explicit reference to Rafael or Josefa. Hence, here are my questions:
The research I have is below:
Hello all.
Been a few years since I last posted here, and glad to see the site is still strong.
Some kind person, whose name I stupidly forgot helped me trace my ancestry a ways back and now I suspect that our origin may have been José "Jusepe" de Ornelas, In San Juan De Los Lagos, and that his father or grandfather may have been Álvaro de Ornelas y Perestrello, born 1561, in Caniço, Santa Cruz, Madeira, Portugal, and that his father was João Alvaro De Ornelas E Vasconcelos, born 1538, and that our entire family line begins in Santa María de los Lagos, Intendencia de Guadalajara, Reino de Nueva Galicia, New Spain.
Anyone with better information or who can help figure out where our name Came from originally (I believe it cams from Santa Comba De Fornelas, Puebla del Brollón, provincia de Lugo, Galicia, (Spain) or its etymology, (I have three separate theories) please feel free to contact me!
Thanks!
Piero Ornelas. Hijo De Raphael.
Hey all,
It has been some time since I have posted. I recently asked a granddaughter of my great-great grandfather Antonio Lopez’s sister who is direct living female descendant of Josefa Diaz and Miguel Diaz Montanez (son of Juan Montanez and Sebastiana Diez).
A bit of background, according to a tree online, Josefa Diaz and Miguel Diaz Montanez wed on April 7, 1641, en Pinos, Zac, Reino de Nueva Galicia. I do not think I have their marriage document. Perhaps her parents are shown on their marriage doc?
Josefa Diaz is of significant importance to me because not only do I descend from her on this line, but I am also a descendant of her on eleven other lines.
To this day I have not found a primary source that shows who her parents are. Armando Antunano, Sanchiz Family Tree and Family Search Tree has her as daughter of Juan Diaz de la Huerta and Isabel Martin de Sotomayor. This would make Josefa Diaz granddaughter of Maria de las Ruelas. I am wondering how this was concluded. Or if there is a document that shows Josefa Diaz as daughter of Isabel Martin de Sotomayor.
La abuela Maria de las Ruelas is my ancestor on seven other lines. In this case, I am wondering if there is a connection to my Josefa Diaz.
I am extremely interested in figuring this out because there is the possibility of knowing more about the origin of la abuela Maria de las Ruelas through my ancestor Josefa Diaz.
After taking the 23andme DNA test, my relative’s mtDNA came back as J1c which is of European origin. Even, King Richard III was a descendant of the same J1c female. This means that my great-great grandfather’s maternal line is of haplogroup J1c, and therefore Josefa Diaz would be of mtDNA J1c.
If my ancestor Josefa Diaz is indeed daughter of Isabel Martin de Sotomayor, and therefore granddaughter of Maria de las Roelas this would infer with all genealogical and genetic evidence as of now that Maria de las Roelas may have been a peninsular woman or a criolla herself. Is there any knowledge of Maria de las Ruelas mtDNA?
Wondering if any of you have more information or knowledge.
It would be of immense help.
¡Hola a todos!
Ha pasado un tiempo desde la última vez que publiqué. Recientemente, le pedi a una nieta de mi tatarabuelo, quien es una descendiente maternal directa de Josefa Díaz y Miguel Díaz Montañez (hijo de Juan Montañez y Sebastiana Díaz) que se hiciera una prubea de 23andme.
Un poco de contexto: según un árbol genealógico en línea, Josefa Díaz y Miguel Díaz Montañez se casaron el 7 de abril de 1641 en Pinos, Zacatecas, Reino de Nueva Galicia. No creo tener su documento de matrimonio. Quizás sus padres estén registrados en ese documento.
Josefa Díaz es de gran importancia para mí, ya que no solo desciendo de ella en esta línea, sino que también soy descendiente de ella en once otras líneas.
Hasta el día de hoy, no he encontrado una fuente primaria que muestre quiénes eran sus padres. Armando Antunano, Sanchiz y el árbol de Family Search la tienen como hija de Juan Díaz de la Huerta e Isabel Martín de Sotomayor. Esto haría a Josefa Díaz nieta de María de las Ruelas. Me pregunto cómo se llegó a esta conclusión o si hay un documento que muestre a Josefa Díaz como hija de Isabel Martín de Sotomayor.
María de las Ruelas es mi antepasada en siete otras líneas. En este caso, me pregunto si hay una conexión con mi Josefa Díaz.
Estoy muy interesado en resolver esto, ya que hay la posibilidad de conocer más sobre el origen de María de las Ruelas a través de mi antepasada Josefa Díaz.
Después de realizar la prueba de ADN de 23andMe, el mtDNA de mi pariente resultó ser J1c, de origen europeo. Incluso, el Rey Ricardo III era descendiente de la misma mujer J1c. Esto significa que la línea materna de mi bisabuelo es del haplogrupo J1c, y por lo tanto, Josefa Díaz sería de mtDNA J1c.
Si mi antepasada Josefa Díaz es realmente hija de Isabel Martín de Sotomayor y, por lo tanto, nieta de María de las Ruelas, esto inferiría con toda la evidencia genealógica y genética hasta ahora que María de las Ruelas pudo haber sido una mujer peninsular o una criolla ella misma. ¿Hay algún conocimiento sobre el mtDNA de María de las Ruelas?
¿Tienen mas información o conocimiento ustedes?
Sería de gran ayuda.