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Quisiera saber sino me podrian ayudar con algunos datos genealogicos, historicos, etc, acerca de la familia Gordoa que arribó al estado de Zacatecas en 1815.
APUNTES PARA LA HISTORIA DE LA FAMILIA REYES-OJEDA
Los Ojeda en Pinos 1790-1819
El minero Antonio María Gordoa Loaiza es un personaje fundamental para comprender una buena parte de la historia de la familia Ojeda.
Descendiente de inmigrantes vascos, nació el 10 de Diciembre de 1755 en Antequera, Oaxaca. Dice Frédérique Lange que familias como los Gordoa, Joaristi, Larrañaga y Fernández de Estrada “emigraron de las provincias periféricas de la península española, de las tres provincias vascas y la montaña de Santander a lo largo del siglo XVIII. Con sus tradiciones trajeron su preferencia por la explotación minera, que estaba en boga en sus lugares de origen”.
Los primeros registros como minero provienen del complejo minero-metalúrgico que se desarrolló entre el real de Catorce, Charcas y Matehuala hacia 1785. Ambicioso y organizado como era, pronto adquirió en sociedad diversas “barras de mina”, pertenecientes a catas que requerían capital de riesgo. La audacia de invertir casi
APUNTES PARA LA HISTORIA DE LA FAMILIA REYES-OJEDA
Ya desde 1790, nuestro patriarca Matías de Ojeda se había incorporado a la servidumbre del acaudalado minero Antonio María Gordoa y sus hijos, cuyos intereses se desplegaban entre los reales de minas de Noria de Ángeles, Catorce y Pinos. Como ya hemos podido constatar, hacia 1790 los Gordoa se radicaron en el real de Pinos al concedérseles la administración del real estanco de pólvora, coincidiendo con una notable bonanza minera y comercial en ese enclave zacatecano. Así, los Ojeda migraron hacia el sur de esa comarca, empero, el rastro documental que dejó don Matías indica que entre 1790 y 1802 radicó en Pinos puesto que allí nacieron varios de sus hijos, como José Francisco y Candelario pero ya para 1804 se le encuentra temporalmente en las minas del real de Ángeles ya que allí nació el más pequeño de sus vástagos, Juan Bautista. Si bien el punto de referencia geográfico más importante para todos ellos y dónde tenían su casa familiar
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this is the only Gordoa family I have in my files because he is married to Rita Acuna who is 6th cousin 2x removed of my Father Chet Castanon. I don't know if this is the family you are looking for but thought I'd share just in case..
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husband of 6th cousin 2x removed of Chet Castanon
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marriage dispensation requested from la sagrada mitra 22 Sept 1819 in Jerez, Zac
Don Jose Geronimo Gordoa Espanol from Sierra de Pinos living in Malpaso, Villanueva 1 year single age 31
parents: Don Juan Francisco Gordoa and Dona Ana Barrios both deceased
with Dona Maria Rita Acuna Espanola from Santa Rita single age 17
parents: Don Agustin de Acuna and Dona Maria de la Ascencion Montes
marriage dispensation of bans because Geronimos brother died and they want to be respectful.
marriage dispensation granted 7 Oct 1819 in Jerez, Zac
source: 168186 sagrada mitra 1819 part 3
page 560 Familysearch online
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Finding Your Roots with Henry Louis Gates, Jr., Season 2, Episode 10: Decoding Our Past Through DNA, featured actress Jessica Alba. The episode focused on her father Mark Abla’s ancestry.
One of Jessica Alba’s great grandmothers, Francisca Sanchez, was born in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco. It is through this grandmother that many people from Los Altos de Jalisco are related to her.
I had taken the information given on Francisca Sanchez’s from other posts that had named her parents and grandparents and continued the line through Urbano Ruiz De Esparza. However, Two primary documents have led me to believe that this information was incorrect. I have found a baptismal certificate of Francisca’s that identifies the same set of parents, but different grandparents. I have also found another baptismal document that identifies Francisca’s maternal grandparents with a different set of parents than the ones that had previously been provided. I had made the mistake of assuming that the other persons work was accurate because they held the title of “professional genealogist.”
Jessica Alba’s great grandmother, Francisca Sanchez still descends from Lope Ruiz De Esparza but through
Great work, David! And nicely explained!
Regards,
Manny Díez Hermosillo
Excellent work David! Congratulations on your efforts being rewarded with these results.
Jessica Alba is a distant cousin of mine through our descent from Lope Ruiz De Esparza and Ana Francisca Gabai Navarro. This means that many nuestrosranchos members are related to her through “Ruiz De Esparza.”
Jessica Alba has at least three lines of descent from Lope Ruiz De Esparza and Ana Francisca Gabai Navarro.
I also share with Jessica ancestors Juan Diaz de Leon and Jacinta de Sotomayor. Jessica has many of the surnames in her ancestry that we are researching here in nuestrosranchos.
Thanks for sharing,
Rick A. Ricci
PS I have a lot to share with you on the ancestry of Sor Juan Ines de La Cruz, much more information than what you have seen in published books.
I am trying to get a copy of Antonio de Aguayo's will. Antonio de Aguayo was a soldier in Nuno Beltran de Guzman's 1531-32 expedition to the area that became Nueva Galicia.
cheque los archivo a indias y el documento se encuentra, en el son cerca de 70 paginas.
espero que sepas entrar al archivo de pares, y copiar la informacion
RESUMEN:
Título de la unidad: "Méritos y servicios:Antonio de Aguayo:Nuevo Reino Galicia"
Archivo: Archivo General de Indias
Signatura: PATRONATO,65,N.1,R.4
espero que este link funcione
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=4&tx…
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES
Hola Salvador, revisé el documento que me sugeriste del Archivo General de Indias, el link funciona a la perfección, gracias, y me encontré que Antonio de Aguayo estaba casado con una mujer de apellido Padilla, ¿Elvira Ruiz de la Peña fue otra esposa, o son la misma persona? Saludos.
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: cabval@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:21:45 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Wills, Testamentos, Bienes
>
> cheque los archivo a indias y el documento se encuentra, en el son cerca de 70 paginas.
> espero que sepas entrar al archivo de pares, y copiar la informacion
> RESUMEN:
> Título de la unidad: "Méritos y servicios:Antonio de Aguayo:Nuevo Reino Galicia"
> Archivo: Archivo General de Indias
> Signatura: PATRONATO,65,N.1,R.4
> espero que este link funcione
>
> http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=4&tx…
>
> SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES
ANtonio de Aguayo tuvo dos esposas: la primera fue: Elvira \RUIZ de la Peña
y su hija: Inés de \TAPIA y Aguayo, aqui se conecta mi genealogia.
su segunda esposa Juana de \PADILLA de Avila (o Dávila)
Sylvia Corona
2009/7/25 BLANCA ISABEL GUERRERO SANTANA
>
> Hola Salvador, revisé el documento que me sugeriste del Archivo General de
> Indias, el link funciona a la perfección, gracias, y me encontré que Antonio
> de Aguayo estaba casado con una mujer de apellido Padilla, ¿Elvira Ruiz de
> la Peña fue otra esposa, o son la misma persona? Saludos.
>
>
>
>
> > To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: cabval@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:21:45 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Wills, Testamentos, Bienes
> >
> > cheque los archivo a indias y el documento se encuentra, en el son cerca
> de 70 paginas.
> > espero que sepas entrar al archivo de pares, y copiar la informacion
> > RESUMEN:
> > Título de la unidad: "Méritos y servicios:Antonio de Aguayo:Nuevo Reino
>
Dear Members,
I have been trying to disentangle some of the early Autlán families. Some of it is on solid footing, but some of it is based on secondary sources that I am pretty sure are NOT correct. The problem is one of chronology and probably of people named similarly (here we go again). My questions concern the identity of the Father of Inés de Tapia y Aguayo. But I really want to see a primary source, because the secondary sources do not agree with each other.
It is certain that Conq. Antonio de Aguayo was from Portillo in Spain, that he was an hijodalgo, and according to Icasa was the son of Martín de Aguayo and Catalina de Ledezma. He was certainly married to Juana de Padilla as can be seen in the PARES link mentioned in an older post, image 3, and which says he had 5 children. The link still works, which is a Méritos y Servicios letter from 1562 still works:
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/122821
What is NOT a given is whether there is primary source
no son los mismos, aunque existan dos pero se cre que uno era el sobrino, pero tiene informacion
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES
Parece que si es la misma persona, de Antonio de Aguayo y Portillo, nació en 1510. Estuvo en cuba y después paso a nueva España, bien las tierras que compro, los papas, los hermanos esposa e hijos, parece que muere en 1589, y fecha y lugares a encontrar el documento en México, además de los testigo en su solicitud para testigo de oficio para la probanza de servicios y méritos de Antonio de Aguayo y Portillo el 25 de mayo de 1562, todo esto se encuentra en 6 hojas en formato Word, por si lo quiere
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES
Hola: Salvador Cabral Baldes
Todo hace indicar que somos Primos ,pues en nuestra duodecima generacion,nuestros Ancestros son los Mismos.La diferencia es que tu heres 4 años mayor que yo.
Nicolas Felix de Arellano y Francisca de Peralta.
De los Hijos de esta pareja,tu desciendes de el Hijo primogenito: Nicolas Felix de Arellano casado con Ana Carrillo Davila.
Y yo desciendo posiblemente del Hijo menor: Juan de Dios Felix de Arellano casado con Bernardina de Islas.
Tienes mas informacion de esta Pareja?.
Saludos:
Jose Luis Felix
Perris CA.
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: cabval@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:23:02 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Wills, Testamentos, Bienes
>
> Parece que si es la misma persona, de Antonio de Aguayo y Portillo, nació en 1510. Estuvo en cuba y después paso a nueva España, bien las tierras que compro, los papas, los hermanos esposa e hijos, parece que muere en 1589, y fecha y lugares a encontrar el documento en
hace dias subi al foro algo sobre Bernardina islas , alguien del foro lo solicito, si no lo encuentras trato de encontra lo mismo
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES
Hola Salvador:
Por lo que veo no me explique bien ,la informacion que me gustaria obtener es de la pareja de Nicolas Felix de Arellano y Francisca de Peralta.para atras .Que es donde estoy atorado.
Sobre Bernardina de Islas y Juan de Dios Felix de Arellano ya tengo toda la informacion hasta mi persona.
Saludos Cordiales
Jose Luis Felix
Perris CA>
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: cabval@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:06:59 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Wills, Testamentos,
>
> hace dias subi al foro algo sobre Bernardina islas , alguien del foro lo solicito, si no lo encuentras trato de encontra lo mismo
>
> SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES
El que te puede dar mas informacion de los Felix es el Sr Hector Felix, de repente escibe en el foro el tienemas al detalle la genalogia de los Felix
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES
Hola Salvador: en mi árbol tengo a Antonio de Aguayo, nacido alrededor de 1513 y casado con Elvira Ruis de la Peña, hija del también conquistador Hernán Ruis de la Peña; Antonio de Aguayo y Elvira Ruis, tuvieron como hija a Ines de Tapia y Aguayo quien se casó con Hernán González Corona, cuyos padres fueron Juan Fernandez Nieto y Catalina de León y Corona, hija del conquistador Martin Monje (Alonso Gutierrez de León e Inés Alonso Monje) e Isabel Alvarez Corona, los padres de Juan Fernandez fueron el conquistador Alonso Martin de Rivera y Beatriz Alvarez.
El Antonio de Aguayo que tengo ¿es la misma persona de la cual se menciona? Si es así, estoy interesada en las 6
hojas en formato Word de las cuales hablas. Recibe un cordial saludo.
Blanca Isabel Guerrero Santana.
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en la seccion de libros de google tecleando el nombre de antonio y su esposa elvira ruiz, sale lo siguente
Anuario - Página 196
de Academia de Genealogía y Heráldica "Mota Padilla." - 1955
La primera llevó los apellidos Ruiz de la Peña, casó con Antonio de Aguayo,
fueron sus hijos; Inés de Tapia y Aguayo; Andrea, cuyos apellidos ignoro. ...
en otro libro dice:
Ameca, protofundación mexicana: historia de la propiedad del valle de Ameca ... - Página 148
de Jesús Amaya Topete - 1951 - 518 páginas
Su hija Elvira casó con Antonio de Aguayo. RUIZ DE LOMAS, CAP. JUAN Fue casado
con doña Beatriz Tello de Carbajal; su hija María Enríquez de Colmenares casó
Tamniene un libro que dice
Descripcion genealogica de la casa de Aguayo de Antonio Ramos, Miguel de La Cuesta teclea este nobre en google libros y baja el libro en formato pdf,
es el titulo de libro
María , y de Doña Juana Victoria de la Peña , hija de Don Luis de la Peña y Vela
, Regidor perpetuo de Sanlucar de
Para Salvador:
Te agradezco la información, la revisaré y en breve te estaré haciendo mis comentarios, por los pronto, recibe un cordial saludo, espero no molestarte con las dudas.
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Podria ser este tu Aguayo
AGUAYO Y PORTILLO, Antonio de
Hijodalgo, originario de la villa de Portillo, en España. Nació probablemente hacia 1510, como hijo legítimo de Martín de Aguayo y Catalina de Ledesma, hijadalgo de solar conocido
BERNAL DE TOVAR, Diego
Natural de la villa de Portillo. Nació hacia 1510. Aún se hallaba en Portillo en 1526. Escribano de tasaciones de pueblos de indios en la Nueva Galicia en 1557. Escribano nombrado en las minas de Guachinango en marzo de 1562. Fue presentado como testigo de oficio para la probanza de servicios y méritos de Antonio de Aguayo y Portillo el 25 de mayo de 1562 en estas minas. Conocía a Aguayo y a su mujer, Juana de Padilla, desde 17 años a esta parte (MS 118: ff. 15v y 18v-19).
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES
Podria ser este tu Aguayo
AGUAYO Y PORTILLO, Antonio de
Hijodalgo, originario de la villa de Portillo, en España. Nació probablemente hacia 1510, como hijo legítimo de Martín de Aguayo y Catalina de Ledesma, hijadalgo de solar conocido
BERNAL DE TOVAR, Diego
Natural de la villa de Portillo. Nació hacia 1510. Aún se hallaba en Portillo en 1526. Escribano de tasaciones de pueblos de indios en la Nueva Galicia en 1557. Escribano nombrado en las minas de Guachinango en marzo de 1562. Fue presentado como testigo de oficio para la probanza de servicios y méritos de Antonio de Aguayo y Portillo el 25 de mayo de 1562 en estas minas. Conocía a Aguayo y a su mujer, Juana de Padilla, desde 17 años a esta parte (MS 118: ff. 15v y 18v-19).
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES
hi,
I am going to go to the Archivo General next week, give the exact data and I
will try to find it.
Regards.
Patty Haro
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:53 PM, JOSE AGUAYO wrote:
> I am trying to get a copy of Antonio de Aguayo's will. Antonio de Aguayo
> was a soldier in Nuno Beltran de Guzman's 1531-32 expedition to the area
> that became Nueva Galicia. He was an encomendero and vecino of Purificacion
> and presented a Probenza de Meritos to the Royal Audiencia of Nueva Galicia
> in 1572. I believe that he probably died between that year and 1600.
> Sometime ago, a list of microfilms containing testamentos that are in the
> vaults of the library in Salt Lake City was posted on this site. I
> contacted Eduardo Soanes for assistance in searching these microfilms, but
> he was informed that they cannot be accessed by the public. Eduardo
> referred me to the Archivo General de la Nacion in Mexico City. He says
> that this institution is generally given courtesy copies of Mormon
>
Hi Paty ,
My name is Welester G. Alvarado and I´m hoping that you may have some time to look up the parents of my Great great grandfather . I only have that he was married for the first time that I know of on Nov. 8, 1833 . The fact that it does not show his parents tells me that he may have been married prior .
The records for him are from the Villa de Santiago, Nuevo Leon . Like I said Patty if you have the time . I don´t want to pressure you and I´ll understand if you won´t have the time .
Apart from that , have a great time and good luck !
Welester
> hi,
>
> I am going to go to the Archivo General next week, give the exact data and I
> will try to find it.
>
> Regards.
> Patty Haro
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Hi Welester, this is Daniel Camino, I have seen some Nuevo Leon films I get the same result, no parents in marriage films, try using the informacion matrimonial they usually have parents names and a lot of other info.
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Hi Daniel,
Thanks for the info . It seems that the years 1833 to 1844 were lost ( just my luck ) and that´s why I thought maybe just maybe they might be in the AGN .
Take care,
Welester
>
> Hi Welester, this is Daniel Camino, I have seen some Nuevo Leon films I get the same result, no parents in marriage films, try using the informacion matrimonial they usually have parents names and a lot of other info.
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Hola Paty:
Desde hace algun tiempo, he estado con el deseo de comunicarme contigo ,ya que Emilie Garcia, me hiso la recomendacion de que tu eres la persona indicada, para buscar en el Archivo General de la Nacion, los datos de mis ancestros directos ,e indirectamente de algunos miembros de este foro.Esta pareja es:
Nicolas Felix de Arellano ,que nacio probablemente en 1615 se desconose donde y quienes Fueron sus padres.
Caso con Francisca De Peralta probablemente en 1640 se desconose donde.
Francisca de Peralta se cre que nacio en 1629 pero se desconoce donde y quienes Fueron sus padres.Todo hace indicar que en la ciudad de Zacatecas o a sus alrededores.
Hijos de esta pareja:
1:Nicolas Felix y Arellano nacio alrededor de 1641 se desconoce donde,Caso con Ana Carrillo Davila.
2:Maria Felix_ Felix se desconose donde nacio,Caso con Pedro Carrillo Davila ,Murio el 21 de Julio de 1714 Jerez,Zacatecas.
3:Juan de Dios Felix,nacio en la Ciudad de Zacatecas,Zacatecas,Caso con
cual es el segundo apellido de Antonio de aguayo, o tambien quienes eran sus papas,encontre uno que estubo con Nuño en Diccionario Novohspano
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES
On pg 41 in the middle right after (Hijo Legitimo suyo y de Flaviana Larra....fosa de 3rd Clase por 5 anos en el panteon municipal....)
The following is a link to the record.
In Mexican and Spanish municipal cemeteries, they usually do not have space to keep the bodies in the same grave perpetually, especially if the person does not have a lot of money to pay for a grave that is designated "a perpetuidad." So bodies are placed in a "fosa", a marked grave for 5 years. The initial 5 year period allows the body to decompose down to the bones, and they are then transferred to a "fossa común," a large common grave with other bones. Unfortunately, in practice this means that the graves are not marked with names after that initial 5 year period.
Private cemeteries often do have graves that ae perpetual. In essence you buy a piece of land for the body of your loved one.
Hope this helps!
Sergio
Thank you both Manny and Sergio for your response. Their burial system seems quite complicated.
This has been a question ever since mom told me Great Grandma Florentina Delgado had her own Fosa (hasta tenia una Fosa). Knowing Florentina had, according to Mom, measurable wealth and part owner of Azogueros in Salinas, San Luis Potosi, I thought it was old Spanish for Crypt. I did not think to ask what that was so it went unanswered these past 17 years.
I have a follow-up question. Knowing that when I asked about my ancestors to mom, many of my ancestors had been buried in the Saucito including her Siblings and parents. I have gone to the cemetery in San Luis Potosi, SLP., many times to pay my respects. My Ancestors are still buried in their same location since the 1950 to the present. So I am a bit perplexed that mom would have been impressed that Great Grandma had her own grave? Was this lease on individual graves stopped at some time for the majority of people? Sorry for all
Hi Sara,
If your mom thought it was notable that she had her own grave, it may have been one of the ones for perpetuity, which as I noted above, means it is more expensive. Or it may have been a crypt (see below). There are at least six kinds of graves (that I am aware of) in Mexico. Before the cemetery reforms at the end of the 1700s in Spain by Carlos III, people usually buried their loved ones inside the church, under the floor all over the place (1). The wealthier people had graves underground with their own access points on the sides of the church or under the altar which could still be accessed years later and future generations interred. This second kind of grave is what we would call a crypt (2). After the reforms of Carlos III they started actual cemeteries around the church with graves that look more like a park (3). In addition then there is a fourth kind of grave inside the church, or around it in an underground space where the graves are in the wall (4). In Mexico
Thank you Sergio. I really love the history of why something came about or why it is. You certainly have made a simple boring question into an interesting history lesson. Thank you.
Sara
Thank you for the history lesson, Sergio! Interestingly enough, my father was from a region in the mountains of Leon, Spain, called Omaña, and while researching his lines, I would read about ancestors who were buried in the floor beneath the local church. Knowing how small that church was, I couldn’t fathom how, after so many centuries, so many corpses could rest beneath its floors (nor in the adjoining cemetery, which is no bigger than my garden)! I was unaware of the existence of ossuaries.
But just today, I was visiting a facebook group dedicated to Omaña, and someone had posted a story with photographs about how the residents of a local pueblo had recently reconstructed their church’s ossuary (la “gusera,” as they call it), “donde se guardaban los huesos de los difuntos una vez que se llanaba el suelo de la iglesia donde estaban enterrados. Este espacio se señalaba habitualmente con una o varias calaveras o tibias clavadas en el muro”.
Thank you, again!
Manny Díez Hermosillo
I need help in reading the name of Maria del Refugio Lopez y Vasquez’s mother. Her father’s name is Juan Lopez.
I can tell that you watched the recent episode of "Finding Your Roots" on PBS and you are researching the lineage of Melissa Villaseñor. By the way, very disappointing show, no mention of el Rancho de La Piedra Herrada, San Jose de Gracia, Tepatitlan, Los Altos de Jalisco, or even the state of Jalisco. No mention of our rich history, heritage, culture, traditions, and genealogical treasures. No...Dr. Gates only likes to focus on slave owners, and slaves. I have completed my investigation, if you would like some info.
Hello Steven,
You are right that I watched that recent episode, and was continuing the research on their ancestries. The researchers for that show called me up and said that they had seen my work posted on nuestrosranchos and wanted more information. They were very interested in the Lomelin ancestry.
Dr. Gates sent me a nice email congratulating me on my research. I really appreciate the email, but you are right, it would have been nice to hear, or see in the credits an acknowledgment of all the information collected from nuestrosranchos.
And yes I would like to see how far you got in continuing the ancestral lines of Mario Lopez and Melissa Villaseñor. I connect him to the Alvarez Tostado lines in Jalisco and Zacatecas. Melissa has much Los Altos de Jalisco ancestry/Aguascalientes/Zacatecas ancestry. I connect her to my De La Torre, Perez de Paredes and Perez de Contreras ancestries. There are many more ancestral connections than those that I have named here.
I agree
Many thanks to Manny Diez for his contribution. Please wait before you send in more contributions as the Workgroup has not decided how the contributions will be handled.
Hola prim@s,
Manny always coming in with bombs!
The will is very interesting. I am so glad some headway is being made on the oldest Nochistlan families.
Any idea where Clara Maya was born? Simon Garcia and his parents identities explain all of the children's last names except for Ramirez and Cortes. These of course can come from earlier generations of his or from Clara Maya's family. Perhaps Clara could also be a Cortes? All three of your possibilities seem to be possible.
Geez these hints are killing me!
A couple of nights ago, PBS aired an episode of Finding Your Roots titled, Mexican Roots. The episode focused on the genealogy
This was a special episode as information was presented on Baltazar Temino de Banuelos and Diego Ochoa Garibay who are ancestors to many nuestrosranchos members.
Rick A. Ricci
Just in case you have not heard - There is a Workgroup for the NR Group.
David Serna and Susanna Leniski join the following members in donating to the previous call for donations to get the website updated and back online.
Hello everyone,
Hello RRojas,
I came across a lot of records pertaining to people from the areas you are seeking in La Yesca & Amatlan de Jora archives. I will look out for the Catano name. I don't recall seeing it, but alot of people from Totatiche, Monte Escobedo, Mesquitic & Huejuquilla el Alto Area.
Best.
Apozolco
Thank you Apozolco,
I will have to check those records again in Jora and Yesca. I've researched those records in great detail over the years for my other ancestors (Rojas, Villavicencio, Ysastegui, Gonzalez, Bañuelos, de la Paz, Ceniceros, Arriaga, Carlos de Godoy, Gallegos, Rebeles just to name a few. Another look at those records will help.
Thanks
R Rojas
Hello All. I was quite thrilled to find this website, as I have just recently started to research my son-in-law's family, which is Romo.
1)Henry II King of England and Eleanor of Aquitane Queen of England
2)Eleonore de Inglaterra, princesa de inglaterra and Alfonso VIII rey de Castilla
3 Berenguela de Castilla and Alfonso IX rey de Leon
4 San Fernando III rey de Castilla and Beatriz de Suavia ( Elizabeth Hohenstaufen)
5 Alfonso X Fernandez and Yolanda Aragon
6 Fernando infante de Castilla and Blanca de Francia Capet
7 Alfonso de la Cerda and Mahalda de Brienne
8 Luis de la Cerda, infante de Castilla and Leonor Alfonso de Guzman
9Juan de la Cerda and Sol Martinez
10 Martin Gonzalez de Cerda and Violante Alvarez Pereira
11 Mahalda de la Cerda y Fernan Gutierrez de Valverde
12 Mari Gutierrez de Valverde y de la Cerda and Gonzalo Porcallo De Morán
13 Beatriz Moran and Lorenzo Ulloa
14 Leonor Ulloa De la Cerda and Balthazar Mendoza Pantoja
15 Juan Pantoja Mendoza, conquistador and Catalina Medina (daughter of Domingo Medina)
16 Bernardina H. de Mendoza Pantoja Ulloa (b. about 1533) and Gonzalo Nuñez de Sotomayor
17
Welcome Walter to the Nuestrosranchos community. Like you, I am also experienced in researching New England Genealogy. I have a brother-in-law and a sister-in-law that descend from the original New England settlers. This past weekend my nephew, Robert Gregory Nash, married a descendant of New England settlers, so we now have three descendants of the original settlers in the family tree.
To Walter and Jorge,
I would like to add my two cents in response to Jorge’s post. I have not found any evidence that links Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar y Mendoza Marqués del Canete Eleonor de la Cerda y de Aragon to my Diego Romo de Vivar ancestor.
Rick A. Ricci
Hi Netchemist,
Yes, the Romo de Vivar are the ancestors of a lot of people from Aguascalientes, I also descend from both Diego Romo de Vivar y Rangel and Capitan Romo de Vivar y Rangel, both children from Capitan Diego Miguel Romo de Vivar y Perez de Utiel (who died on July 11th 1659). They had a lot of children and the names are repeated in several generations.
Here is a list of ancestors I have found, I don’t have a lot of documents but I have found these persons using data from My Heritage and Family Search.
Capitan Diego Miguel Romo de Vivar y Perez de Utiel was the son of
• Diego Romo de Vivar Ponce de Leon born in 1550 in Rielves and died on Nov 7th, 1610, married to Catalina Perez de Utiel, born in Rielves on March 12 1564. Son of:
• Diego Maria Romo de Vivar Lopez born in Feria, Badajoz, Extremadura in 1520, married to Catalina Ponce de Leon Fernandez y Castañeda born in Feria, Badajoz, Extremadura in 1525. Son of:
• Diego Romo de Vivar y Ponce de Leon, born in Manzanares el
Does anyone has information regarding Juan Felipe Cabral? He gave origin to the Cabral surname in Zacatecas, arriving ca.
Yes dear fguevara_robles, I have info on that subject and it is clearly a legend. No that Felipe Cabral didnot existed, but he was not Juan Felipe but Noverto Felipe and sure, he married Doña Josefa Saldivar, the daughter of Marcelo (or Marcelino) Saldivar and Juliana Felix (or De los Reyes Félix). It is dificult to precisely know when and how the legend started, but I think this was very likely a way to fill in a blank spot in the genealogy or a strange way to detach from the ancestry adding some spicy tale to it. I might understand that because at the time the legend was created people have not the resources we have now to do research from the comfort of home. Once, my aunt Cabral told me "that is just not true and my brothers invented that legend". When I first put online my tree, elaborated by my dad upon the family tales and memories, a tree that started exactly with the "Juan Felipe Cabral, born in Portugal in the first quarter of the XVIII century, very soon I got an email from
Hola Jesús,
I was wondering if you had any information on Pedro Cabral from Jerez born around 1740? He married Theresa Ortiz probably around 1760. I'm guessing he's from the same family as your Cabral's but I don't have any other information.
Danny
I might find some, I think I recently saw some references in reviewing the Padrones of Jerez and I will go back to them to see what can I find and keep you posted Danny.
Saludos.
Thank you so much. I've been stuck on them for the longest time.
In response to Danny Alonso I have seen his christening record of Balbino Cabral, the son of Pedro Cabral and Teresa Ortis, and while I have not found anything that points to Pedro's parents, in this record his "padrinos" are "Meregildo" Cabral and María Isabel de la Torre and that can be an important clue. Clearly "Meregildo" is Hermenegildo, sometimes also Esmeregildo. Being Cabral clearly is a relative, maybe the brother of Pedro, an important thing is that María Isabel de la Torre is the wife of Juan Antonio Cabral Ubillos, and he had a son whose name was Hermenegildo. My hipothesis here is that Hermenegildo is the brother of Pedro Cabral and María Isabel de la Torre the mother of Pedro Cabral. There is another Hermenegildo Cabral, my direct ancestor, who was the first cousin of Juan Antonio Cabral Ubillos and this one was his "padrino" in the marriage of my Hermenegildo, I mention this just to stress the importance of the "padrinos" as clue for finding relationships. If my
Wow, thank you so much. This is great information. I've only recently started doing genealogy again after a few years so it'll take me a little bit to get back into things. I do know that I think I have the records of three children but the records don't really show anything. Nothing that would point in any particular direction. But this hypothesis makes sense and I initially had this as the probable direction but now it seems even more so.
Danny
In family search I already put Pedro Cabral as son of Juan Antonio. I know is an hipothesis but it doesn't hurt to have it there while more info appears.
Another clue: Pedro Cabral's full name was Pedro Antonio, then it makes sense with the habit of naming a son with some of the father name, in this case Juan Antonio.
If your Cabral gave origin to the Cabral name, he must've come before 1760. I have a Pedro Cabral married to Theresa Ortiz and theyre both from Jerez de Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico, but, they would've been born before your Juan Felipe Cabral probly close to 20 years before your cabral. they were born sometime in the 1740s. But i want to know about your Cabral cause if he is the first Cabral, he may be the father of my Cabral. Do you know who he was married to?
Danny C. Alonso
Yes, he was married to Josefa Saldivar in 1760 in Jerez de Garcia Salinas. So far I know they had 10 children with the names: Francisca, Juan José, Josefa María, Nepomuceno, Pantaleon (my direct ancestor), Dionicia, Castulo, and María. I also have another record that he might be related to Esmeregildo Cabral and Tomasa Hernandez, but I'm not very sure about this.
Maybe my Pedro Cabral is a brother to your Juan Felipe Cabral, because my
Pedro Cabral and Theresa Ortiz are having children in the 1760s so my Pedro
Cabral is about the same age as your Juan Felipe Cabral and theyre both
from Jerez de Garcia.
Danny C. Alonso
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 4:00 PM, wrote:
> Yes, he was married to Josefa Saldivar in 1760 in Jerez de Garcia Salinas.
> So
> far I know they had 10 children with the names: Francisca, Juan José,
> Josefa
> María, Nepomuceno, Pantaleon (my direct ancestor), Dionicia, Castulo, and
> María. I also have another record that he might be related to Esmeregildo
> Cabral and Tomasa Hernandez, but I'm not very sure about this.
>
Maybe! That's very interesting. Do you have any information about Pedro Cabral's parents?
no i dont know anything about him. i only have their names from the birth
of their grandaughter Maria Estafana garcia:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-LKP7-V
but if you look on family search you can see that Pedro Cabral and Theresa
Ortiz had children in the early 1760s so he has to be close in age to your
person.
Danny C. Alonso
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 4:40 PM, wrote:
> Maybe! That's very interesting. Do you have any information about Pedro
> Cabral's parents?
>
>
Dear Danny,
I believe that your Pedro Cabral and Theresa Ortiz is the same couple known as Pedro Antonio Cabral and Maria Theresa Ortiz.
Josefa Fausta Cabral Ortis
Gender Female
Christening Date 05 Oct 1769
Christening Place JEREZ,JEREZ DE GARCIA SALINAS,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name Pedro Antonio Cabral
Mother's Name Maria Teresa Ortis
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2MY-12K : 12 December 2014), Pedro Antonio Cabral in entry for Josefa Fausta Cabral Ortis, 05 Oct 1769; citing JEREZ,JEREZ DE GARCIA SALINAS,ZACATECAS,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 439,846. Image 393 out of 491
Muchas gracias por aceptarme
Soy Irma Miraceti Jiménez Ugalde
Bienvenido Irma Miraceti Jiménez Ugalde,
Somos primos lejanos muchas veces.
Maria de los Dolores Mora Perez no nació en 1912. Ella nació el 5/Oct/1909 y la bautizaron el 10/Oct/1909 en Ixtlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco, México.
Maria de los Dolores Mora desciende de Ygnacio de La Mora Gómez and Ana María Martin del Campo
Maria de los Dolores Mora Perez desciende del Rey Henry II of England & Reyna Eleanore of Aquitane
1)Henry II King of England and Eleanor of Aquitane Queen of England
2)Eleonore de Inglaterra, princesa de inglaterra and Alfonso VIII rey de Castilla
3 Berenguela de Castilla and Alfonso IX rey de Leon
4 San Fernando III rey de Castilla and Beatriz de Suavia ( Elizabeth Hohenstaufen)
5 Alfonso X Fernandez and Yolanda Aragon
6 Fernando infante de Castilla and Blanca de Francia Capet
7 Alfonso de la Cerda and Mahalda de Brienne
8 Luis de la Cerda, infante de Castilla and Leonor Alfonso de Guzman
9Juan de la Cerda and Sol Martinez
10 Martin Gonzalez de Cerda and
Here are two interesting court cases that may shed light on the ancestry of Pedro Yanguas and on the identity of the mother of Ana Carillo De Peralta Regada and of her half sister Ana De Peralta
First Case:
* Título:
PEDRO DE YANGUAS Y ANA CARRILLO DE PERALTA contra GASTON DE PERALTA
* Serie:
Procesos judiciales. Ochoa-Sentenciados
* Productor:
CORTE MAYOR DE NAVARRA
* Fechas:
1547.01.28 - 1547.08.12
* Lugar:
LOGROÑO - LA RIOJA - ESPAÑA
FALCES - NAVARRA - ESPAÑA
* Contenido:
Pedro de Yanguas, regidor perpetuo de la ciudad de Logroño, y Ana Carrillo de Peralta, su mujer, contra Gaston de Peralta, marques de Falces, sobre entrega de 2.000 ducados de dote ofrecidos en el testamento de Alfonso Carrillo de Peralta, marques de Falces.
Second case:
Título: ANA DE PERALTA contra GASTON DE PERALTA
Serie: Procesos judiciales. Solano-Pendientes
Productor: CONSEJO REAL DE NAVARRA
Fechas: 1547.12.02 - 1553.12.31
Lugar:
Traibuenas - MURILLO EL CUENDE - NAVARRA -
I descend also from Villaseñor, but unfortunately I have not been able to go further beyond José Nicolás and Teresa Ramirez that married in Bolaños in 1778, then their first daughter Victoriana was born in Tlaltenango in 1779, the second daughter Estefana was born in 1780 in Teul and then José George in Ojo Caliente around 1783. This one married Inocencia Colunga in 1812, in San Francisco Villa de Reyes, SLP and had 8 or so sons and one or two daughters, my tatarabuelo Canuto Villaseñor Colunga was one of his sons, born in 1821 and he then moved to Guanajuato, where the family stayed for the next generations.
I have not been able to find the parents of Nicolas Villaseñor, the marriage record doesn't make any mention of them and the Información Matrimonial seems to be in a lost book, and the only possible Padrón of Bolaños is from 1770 and they don't appear there, so I guess it is going to be very difficult to go past them. But who knows, maybe somebody here have a hint or tip to
Tim o start researching all the padrinos in all the baptismal records.
Yes, but padrinos names have no clue. I am now finding some books on informacion matrimonial that may have theirs, but going page by page is slow. I am interested in this line because the Villaseñor name is in my mother name, but from my father I descend directly from Aldonza de Villaseñor y Avalos, married to Juan Dozal Madriz, although the Villaseñor name didnot lasted long. It is certainly a family that have spread wide thru Jalisco and Michoacán mostly. Most of my family lines, as well as a lot of friends, have Villaseñor in their trees.
Dear Manny,
I felt that it was time to stop adding new information, stop researching other lines, and just focus on writing and publishing a book. I have more than enough information to get the book done but you had to throw a wrench in my plans.
The line that I had put together was based on me trying to make sense of the data in front of me, but since most genealogist had a different line I did not pull more threads since it was only possible in my mind and not proven. When you provided information that debunked the line of the other genealogists you made me look at my information again in a different light because it was no longer an exercise in making sense of what I had before me but the line with the highest probability of being the actual true lineage. This set into motion working all afternoon and night gathering more information and putting all the pieces together. It is so much information, and I need to review it after some sleep, so I won't post the findings at
Hi Rick,
Ha! Well, here's another wrench - I sifted through some other notes, and found some more puzzle pieces with the target surnames. These are my raw notes, I haven't researched every document, since they tend to be 100+ pages long.
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
CAPELLANIA Jun 1615 faltan paginas
Antonio de Villalobos Presbitero, Hacienda de Maluca, ganados mayores
1o Sebastian Villalobos colegio de menores ordenes (sobrino de Antonio y Augustin Villalobos);
Alferez Joseph de Figueroa Campofrio
Damian Villalobos presbitero HL de Augustin Villalobos cc Maria Nunez 16 Sep 1634
img200 Damaso de Vargas en nombre de Maria Magdalena Davalos Bracamonte Orosco y Cervantes Vda de Pedro Antonio Trebuesto, su hijo Vicente Trebuesto sobre las cap's de Antonio y Augustin Villalobos y de Alferes Tomas Gonzales Figueroa y Capp Manuel Orosco Cervantes
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-2KSM-5T?i=78&wc=3NTL-N3D
CAPELLANIA de Capp Juan Cavallero y Navarro (pages missing)
Labor de
Dear Manny,
Thanks for the info. The more puzzle pieces we add to the puzzle the greater the probability we have of visualizing how the pieces fit together. You never know when a seemingly insignificant piece actually is the glue that brings a line together. There are many pieces involving the Villaseñor-Orosco, Boccanegra, Delgadillo, Davalos, Cervantes family lines These families intermarried over centuries so we are working on all of these lines at the same time. As long as we keep plugging away, every once a while we will connect a line to the first immigrants. The piece that you provided that lead to solving the Cuevas Villaseñor line still has me in a state of euforia. I am beyond cloud nine. Your little puzzle piece hit two birds with one stone. It solved my Regina Ines Cuevas Villaseñor line, while also leading me to work overtime on figuring out the Coría Peralta conundrum. Regina Ine's line is very important to me personally because it connects me to two lines that I
Hi Rick,
You're welcome, and here's another batch of puzzle pieces. There might be dupes from my last posts - there's just so many, it's hard to keep track. Most of these are from Arquidiocesis de Morelia, but there might be some from Sagrada Mitra. This oughta keep you busy for a while!
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Antonio Bocanegra Montesuma con Ynes Villasenor Hidalgo
HL Bernabe Bocanegra cc Maria Cervantes Montesuma (who were also dispensed)
HLa Francisco de Villasenor e Ynes Hidalgo Villasenor vnos de Puruandiro
DISPENSA 4o grado consang 29 May 1682 Valladolid
Juan Villasenor-2-Juan Bocanegra
Francisco Villasenor-3-Bernabe Bocanegra
Ynes Villasenor-4-Antonio Bocanegra
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-DSWK-Q?i=285&wc=3JM7-SP8
Luis Morales con Leonor Contreras Villasenor 16 Mar 1682
HLa Antonio Martin Tamayo cc Catalina Contreras Villasenor
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-DS4H-F?i=168&wc=3JM7-SP8
Nicolas Contreras Villasenor con Angela Botillo
Muchas gracias por compartir todos esos links,son una gran aportación.
He revisado algunos y por lo pronto solo quiero apuntar que el film que habla sobre Joseph de Alcocer, criador de ganado mayor en Penjamo menciona a su mamá, la cual se llamaba Guiomar Dávalos Bocanegra.
A esta Guiomar yo la tengo como hija de Pedro de Bocanegra Cervantes Villaseñor casado con María Verdugo
Guiomar fue hermana de María Delgadillo casada con José de Villaseñor Figueroa
A María Verdugo la tengo como hija de Alonso Avalos Saavedra y María Delgadillo Avalos quienes casaron el 18-ago-1585
Regina Villaseñor de la Cuevas’s descent from royalty through her Peralta ancestors.
A few notes labeled A through H before the tree.
Note A.
A small minority claim that García Martínez Peralta and Ana Sánchez Ruiz de Azagra are the parents of “Mosén Pierres de Peralta “el Viejo”.
Many people claim that 2.”Mosén Pierres de Peralta, el Viejo” was the illegitimate son of Charles II De Navarro d’ Evereaux.
Both are mistaken as their is an extra generation which shows that Mosen Pierre De Peralta “el Viejo” (Pedro Perez de Peralta) is a grandson of both García Martínez Peralta and Ana Sánchez Ruiz de Azagra and king Carlos II “el malo” and queen Juana De Francia
Note B
Geronimo Lopez “el Mozo” and his wife, Ana Carillo de Peralta came from the upper high class. Their immediate descendants married into other upper high class society like the Villaseñor, Lomelin, Santiago, Ovande, Alvarez Nuñez, Rivadeneyra, and Cervantes families to name some of them.
Note C
The Diego Coria III that
Dear Manny,
The data you provided, in addition to what we already have, leads me to believe that there is a high probability that we will find The parents of Gonzalo de Avalos Tovar de Villaseñor and Antonia Hurtado de Mendoza in Michoacán records.
Here is a previous post that is about "San Miguel de Los Alva" and also mentions Cristóbal Villaseñor:
By Xayme - Posted on 22 February 2009
While I was in Mexico several years ago I looked desperately this place. Anyone familiar with the area know that there are several "San Miguels" in the "nuestros ranchos" area. I went to all of them. Or at least I thought I did.
It wasn't until I came back to the U.S. did I come in contact with a distant cousin who happens to be a historian for Encarnacion de Diaz. I'm extremely thankful to him for the help he's given me and for his research. He also helped me find THEE San Miguel mentioned in my ancestors records. I also have photos if anyone is interesed. I hope this information can help someone else doing research in the same area.
If you have ties to this place or have more data on it's inhabitants during the 1600s please conatct me. This the part of my research where I have hit a dead end.
The following is an exerpt from an email my
I had originally posted that I was not a descendant of the Villaseñor De Avalos. I was wrong. My ancestor Cristobal Villaseñor is a descendant of a Villaseñor de Avalos line. The other Villaseñor lines, of which there are a few, would not fit the time frame. I had originally only researched other Villaseñor lines. I only started researching the Villaseñor De Avalos connections to help out with Manny's research. This research has been useful in figuring out what I believe are the earliest connection between these two families as Gonzalo De Avalos Villaseñor Tovar could only descend from one of two possible connections as he was born before all the other Villaseñor and De Avalos marriages. This is based on information collected from my Manny's, Chris's, Danny's and my research, and the information in "Retonos de España en la Nueva Galicia" by Mariano Gonzalez Leal. There are many pieces to this puzzle and I believe that I have put together two possible lines of descent.
Marcelina
I am also descended from Toribio and Gertrudis. You would be my cousin albeit a distant one so nice to meet you. I have read many of your post on nuestro ranchos so some of your info has been helpful for me. The only fact that I know getrudis existed was a that I found a death record with just her first name and stating cristobal villasenor was her husband in aguascalientes.
Hi Rick,
I was going through my notes, and came upon the following entries, which I wish to contribute to this thread. These I pulled from the Archdiocese of Michoacan rolls, I hope you can find them useful.
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
ORDENES
Francisco de Villasenor y Lomelin Bernal colegial
HL Pedro Villasenor y Orosco cc Maria de Cueba y Lomelin y Bernal
b 24 Oct 1648 Xiquilpa pp Juan de Villasenor Patino y Maria Lomelin SM
tt Tesorero Gonzalo Villasenor Zuniga 60y su tio en 4o grado, Geronimo Marin de Villasenor 40y su primo en 5o grado,
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5JSM-YG?i=1264&wc=3NY4-GP8
His bro Juan https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N21X-NPJ
Nicolas de Villasenor y Cueba colegial del colegio Rl de San Nicolas
08 Apr 1666 corona y 4 grados, just a letter of intent, no limpieza
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-DQ9M-DZ?i=61&wc=3JMP-ZNL
IM Tzinzacuaro 3 Jan 1665
Anna Corona de Villasenor cc Francisco Rosales
HL Gaspar Marin de
Dear Manny,
The main reason that I never finish writing a book is that new information keeps popping up. I often am working on some specific research when I come across some information that is an important puzzle piece to a different research project. Although you provided this information as a possible help in the research on Cristobal Villaseñor, the pieces you are providing are helping me with two other research projects.
The information you are providing looks like it will help me in my Villaseñor Cueva Lomelin line. The second line of research that your information is helpful is in my research on my de Hijar lines.
What does the HaLa mean in "HaLa Francisco Villasenor cc Ynes Nunez del Rincon"?
Thank you for all your help,
Rick A. Ricci
Hi Rick,
I'm happy to hear it helps. I'm sorry, I cut & pasted from my notes, and I have some personal abbreviations: "HaLa" is for "hija legitima," and "HL" would be "hijo legitimo." Others I use are "DTO" id "difunto"; "tt" is "testigos"; "pp" is "padrinos"; "Ldo" is "licenciado"; "Ber" is "bachiller."
These surnames are on my radar, and I will continue to log them, as I find them.
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Manny,
did these ordenes get you closer to connecting the Avalos brothers to the Villasenor or Avalos y Villasenor families?
Danny C. Alonso
Dear Danny,
It does not. The dispensas provides information in a different area of the Villaseñor family puzzle.
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Dear Manny,
The information provided on Francisco de Villasenor y Lomelin Bernal is important in my research. He was a possible ancestor but if he is a priest then he cannot be the one Francisco de Villasenor that I find married and having children.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Dear Danny,
This Villaseñor line that Regina descends from is related to a Villaseñor D' Avalos line.
Jose de Villaseñor Figueroa was married twice . Through his first marriage to Maria Delgadilla y Bocanegra D'avalos you have a line of descent that used Villaseñor D'avalos. Regina Ines Villaseñor descends from the second marriage so she doesn't have D'avalos in her ancestry.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Dear Manny,
One of my ancestors is Regina Ines Villaseñor y Cuebas. Her parents are in dispute. Some genealogists claim that she descends from the Francisco Villaseñor in your post. But based on all the information that I have at hand, I had constructed a different ancestry for her. Your post actually supports my work and clears up this mess as the alternate line is not valid unless that Francisco had a marriage before or after he became a priest.
The probability that this line that I had posted here on nuestrosranchos is valid just went up by leaps and bounds..
I have already connected another line of mine to the Viilaseñors but it was through the brother so it did not include the Cervantes. Regina descends from the Villaseñor Cervantes line, but the ancestry with Francisco didn't make sense to me given the information that I possessed as it led me to construct this alternate line. This line does show descent from the Villaseñor Cervantes line which is very important as I have
Dear Manny,
One thank you wasn't enough. The data you provided seems like just a little piece of the puzzle but in reality it is a big piece as it reinforces that the descent that other genealogists have proposed is not true and that this is the line of descent that fits with all of the information that I have.
Some of my information is based on some of Mariano Gonzalez Leal's work. I am relying on Mariano Gonzalez Leal's for a couple of generations and added it to other pieces of the puzzle that I already have.
Regina Ines Villaseñor
Submitted by R.A.Ricci on Sun, 2016-08-07 13:39.
1). Alfonso Fernandez Villaseñor and Elvira Osórez (daughter of Fernando Osórez maestro de Santiago)
2). Fernan A. Villaseñor and Aldonza Gutierrez de Tapia
3). Diego Villaseñor alcaide de Segovía married to Maria Serones (Seron)(Seronis)
4). Juan Villaseñor Serones and Elvira de Tovar y Enriquez de Castilla
5). Diego de Villaseñor-Tovar and Isabel Alfonso de Villaseñor
6). Diego Villaseñor-Tovar
Dear prettycool,
Welcome to th family tree. I'm glad to hear that my posts have been helpful to your research. How do you descend from Thoribio and Gertrudis?
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Hola Richard:
Yo creo que si puede ser el mismo Cristóbal que haya estado un tiempo en Guanajuato, estas familias tenían propiedades en varios lugares del país.
En mi familia tengo un caso parecido: uno de mis tíos nació en 1918 y su madre murió después del parto. Después de un año el padre se casó con una mujer de familia importante y volvieron a registrarlo en 1919. Mi tío tenía dos actas de nacimiento. Sus hijos veían que visitaba una tumba de una mujer pero nunca les dijo nada, llevaba el apellido de la segunda esposa.
Todo esto era un secreto y sus hijos lo descubrieron recientemente, casi 100 años después.
Gertrudis murió en Aguascalientes y se señala que es esposa de Cristóbal Villaseñor y que vivían en el puesto de San Miguel, en Aguascalientes.
México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620-1962, database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N87P-B2K : 27 July 2015), Christobal Villaseñor in entry for Gertrudis, ; citing Death, Asunción
Hola Richard:
Creo que a Gertrudis se le cambió el apellido por la muerte de su madre, te expongo mi hipótesis.
La primera parte pertenece al árbol genealógico IN81-70K de Familysearch:
Juan de Villaseñor- Catalina de Cervantes
Francisco de Villaseñor Cervantes- Leonicia González y Reuss
Miguel de Villaseñor - María Figueroa
Gonzalo de Villaseñor- Juana Gomez
Gonzalo de Villaseñor- Theresa de Alba y Estrada Bocanegra
(Puruándiro, Michoacan 1636)
A partir de aquí son registros de Familysearch de Aguascalientes.
Gonzalo y Theresa se casan en Aguascalientes en 1683 M60484-5
son padres de
1685 Rosa María
1688 7 de septiembre Cristóbal
1692 Juan Mathias
1695 Lucía
1703 Gonzalo
Cristóbal se casa con Gertrudis de Olmedo, posiblemente mestiza.
Tienen una hija llamada Francisca Thomasa en Celaya el 22 de septiembre de 1722 (C60591-8) mestiza.
La hipótesis consiste en que tuvieron otra hija, en éste caso Gertrudis, pero la madre también Gertrudis muere el 7 de julio de 1724. ¿podría
Informacíon que tengo en mis Nota's sobre Cristobal Villaseñor:
Cristobal Villaseñor fue Teniente alcalde de "San Miguel de Los Alba" que ahora pertence a Encarnacion de Diaz "La Chona". El fue dueño de varias propiedadas que ahora pertencen a Tepatitlan y Jalostotitlan. Cristobal Villaseñor nacio en Aguascalientes.
El se caso dos veces, la primera ves con Gertrudis Franco de Paredes y la segunda ves con Maria Perez Luxano
Yo desciendo del primer matrimonio. De su primer matrimonio nacío Juana "Ana" Gertrudis Villaseñor y Franco de Paredes. Juana "Ana" Gertrudis de Villaseñor y Franco de Paredes fue bautizada el 6/Aug/1724. Su esposo, Joseph Thoribio Muñoz de la Barba fue bautizado el 28/Apr/1718 en San Juan de los Lagos. El murio el 22//Nov/1779. Juana "Ana" Gertrudis y Joseph Thoribio se casaron el 9/Oct/1743.
Del segundo matrimonio tuvo por lo menos dos hijos, a) Maria Rosalia Villaseñor Luxano bautizada el 23/Apr/1746, y b) Juan de Villaseñor que se caso con Rosalia de la
Hola Marcelina,
El Cristobal Villaseñor que yo busco nacio en Aguascalientes y algunos genealogos lo tienen como hijo de Gonzalo de Villaseñor- Theresa de Alba y Estrada Bocanegra.
(Puruándiro, Michoacan 1636)
Gertrudis Franco de Paredes no es la misma que se llama Gertrudis Olmedo. Puede ser que Cristobal tuvo tres esposas. El Cristobal Villaseñor que estaba casado con Gertrudis Olmedo vivia en Guanajuato.
El Cristobal Villaseñor casado con Gertrudis Franco de Paredes tambien se caso con Maria Perez Luxano (Lujano).
Gracias,
Ricardo
18 de Octubre de 1723caso en san juan de los lagos y si tienes bien a los padres de ellos
Few days ago we were commenting on how in Family Search there is been a huge amount of records modified and wrongly merged (on purpose) by trolls, been the most notorious "Mbarrena" who also goes by o
I have had a couple of interactions with this user over the last two years, both around my 5th great-grandfather, Pedro de los Reyes and his son, Vicente Irineo Reyes, and grandson Jose Eustaquio Reyes. I'd spent a ton of time compiling records and putting this family together, tying in original sources (before they had them indexed, even), and making sure that everyone was documented. In the course of one day, this user destroyed all of that work and took everyone apart as family.
Then when confronted about it, and clearly showing that the changes were made by them, they denied it and claimed it was others ruining their work. Whoever the person has said to me on more than one occasion that they live in California. They have also asked, more than once, if I am a member of the LDS church, which makes me feel almost certain that they are a church member. In one of our exchanges, she referred to a user "Nuestro Ranchos" that was making changes and stated her opinion that this was a
También he encontrado a MariaJimenez93 y MBarreno ;)
Muchas gracias por el tip, van para la lista negra :)
Thank you for pointing this out. I have seen Mbarrena many times. She also wrote to me once, she said she was from California, I think and her name was Maria. That's all she would give me, when I asked her who her parents were etc, she just did not want to tell me. Thank you
Elma Ramos
Hi Elma,
I wouldn't believe anything this person says, today I restore the information of 23 people in the FamilyTree, all messed up by "mbarrena" and find out that "AlejandraRizo1" does exactly the same, thus likely another "mbarrena"'s persona.
Also is distasteful that this person only goes after people she/he think were spaniards leaving untouched those who were indigenous, black or any other caste, and try to create (fictitiously) links with "kings" and other nobility names. which only demonstrates her/his supremacist poor mind.
Family Search hasn't done any thing about it, plenty of reports haven't ever made a change, I still reporting this person and encourage anyone else to do so, maybe one day the administrators will understand how useless that page is turning due to people like this.
Thank you for the comment Elma, goes to show how many people's work this person has affected.
Hi there, FYI
I just found some other iD that this Mbarrena is using. I have been working onf the Ruiz de Esparza family and this is where I found some other ID. that belong to same person.
Neill Hernandez
J Mirano
He or she has attached herself to different families. Cause on one she is my 11 cousin and on another she is my 12 cousins, I look it up and they are different families.
Thanks for the alert about this. I find that I am relying on the FamilySearch trees less and less as I find more and more cases of inaccuracy.
FamilySearch allowed someone to change my step-father's record to show he had died when in fact he was still alive. While FamilySearch allowed that person to make this change without any oversight, they made me jump through hoops to verify that he was still alive so that I could change his record back to reality.
If I do look at FamilySearch, I accept nothing at all without verifying it on my own. And I see many cases of errors. I keep my master trees on Ancestry and allow no one else to modify it. I document all of the core persons' information, including writing research notes where the documents leave questions or are in conflict. The people at the periphery of my tree may be in various states of reliability, but people seeing my tree can count on solid ground for my core people. FamilySearch trees have no real way to prevent corruption
Sadly that's very true.
Reality is that we all do make errors at some point, but these people I've mention do not made those errors, they purposely and with malice had change the information, thus I feel it is important not to let this folks "bury" again the information that we have found with many years of research and collaboration.
I work a lot on family search and have noticed exactly that and it is a shame that people just mess around with records. Some are probably not made on purpose but out of different considerations, but some are clearly made on purpose. I think that is the price to pay in family search because it is an open, collaborative genealogical website and that is great to make conecctions with other results and trees. I try to watch my relevant trees and every once in a while I have to make corrections in both cases (trolls and innacurate modifications) Since I have no proof of trolls I haven't keep their names. What I do is to keep my tree in geneanet https://en.geneanet.org/ which in my opinion is a great site because there are some profesionals that keep their work open to consult but not to modify. Family tree is very important to consult their microfilms.
Totally agree, Family Search (their films) is definitely one of the best sources of information in the net, FamilyTree in the other hand had been lacking from the get go. I should check Geneanet.org, sounds like another option. Thanks for mentioning it.
I had a familySearch account it seemed people where always changing my info so I just erased my whole profile I always had to go back and correct it. People are better researchers and respectful here on nuestrosranchos.
I'm looking at the 1754 Padron for Tlaltenango (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDG-434W?i=6&cat=6850…) and need help understanding what the words are after the names in these two i
First off, thanks Joseph for posting link to this Padron which has loads of valuable information. I came across this Padron years ago and forgot about it.
Looking through it, I had a question about other terms from this page (803)(https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDG-4SGV?i=802&cat=68…)
"Chuiquitero" is it a worker who makes chiquihuites or hand woven baskets?
I recognize the other terms like "petatero" person who makes petates, labrador, etc... but never came across "chiquitero"
Also, at the top of page, what do they mean by "hijos tributarios"? Is this like volunteer work for the church in lieu of something?
Thanks
Ruben Rojas
In my understanding Cas° means "casado" and Suh means "Su hijo" and Sumuj "Su mujer" then others means Su hermana, Su criada, su sirviente, su esclava etc... and then yes and clearly: "su cajero" but it is hard to guess what it actually means, probably there is business in the house and they take care of the accounts or something like that.
1) cajero = merchant clerk
I get this from #12: https://bit.ly/2Y1hVyv
2) I agree with Esther -- what looks like "Fixuto or Fixoto or Sixoto" is sirv.ta, an abbreviation for sirvienta, a female servant. Riestra and Naredo are surnames I'm familiar with -- both have existed in Tlaltenango, for example. It's an N, because you can compare the way the letter is written to other H's and N's in the record. If you look at Nuñez and Herrera on the same page, you'll notice a subtle difference: with H's, there is a horizontal straight line through the middle of the letter. With N's, there is bow/curve and you can tell the pen was never lifted from the paper. Also, the same surname was written with a fairly legible "n" in the lower case.
Thank You Esther and Aliesha for your help with this.
joseph
Hi Joseph,
For the one that you can't make out at the bottom, "Fixuto or Fixoto or Sixoto", I think it might be Sirvta (sirvieta). It's only on the female names and they do not have a last name. Just a thought.
Thank you,
Esther
I have recently done a genealogy test, where I sent some swabs with saliva via mail, and I received results that were a bit surprising. Well, very surprising to me, as a matter of fact.
My understanding is that DNA test are very accurate, but one thing is the test and a completely different thing is the attribution of it to specific ethnicities and as has been said this is very estimative and not highly accurate because it depends on samples in data bases that may or may not be accurate and if there is not big differences in tests from one company to another, the interpretations are very fussy. That been said, the ethnicity attribution is just indicative and a good one. On the particular thing about andean native, probably there are similarities between north and southamerica, similarities that are evident. Also, exchanges between Mexico and Peru in colonial times were rather intense and the route between Acapulco and Callao was well trodden.
Hi Cruzmeza,
I dont know which company you used for your DNA test. I made my DNA test with MyHeritage, my wife who is French and our grand-son did it also and the results are very logical.
I dont understand how you can have 12 percent Peruvian, unless the database used by your provider found that in Peru there are some people with the same genome as you which is a wrong way to determine your ancestry.
Normally less that 5 percent can be erroneous but 12 percent is strange.
Historically, the Peruvian conquest was organized from the Pacific coast of Mexico (I have some ancestors who died in Peru) but I dont have any information of bringing people from Peru to Mexico.
Regards.
Jorge
DNA is as accurate as the availability of samples in existence, is still at some degree in its infancy, thus I wouldn't keep thinking around the results too much if they seem off. In an interview I heard on npr a while ago mentioned how inaccurate was when applied to genealogy, a lot of Hispanic, Asians and other non white groups kept getting European, and the reason was because those were the only samples they had, at some point many ethical groups will relate, but we are talking in the thousands of years.
If that specific place where you got tested doesn't had closer samples to compare with your DNA it will give you the closest possible even if in terms of genealogy, isn't really that close. Is obvious that all indigenous groups of the American continent will share DNA that comes from the days of the "Beringia" settlements, then it might be that is just the indigenous DNA of the Nueva Galicia area that happen to be similar to the Peruvian.
A acquaintance got some tests years ago
RJQ, hat would make sense. I guess we still have ways to go in genetic history research. My thought about these results was that perhaps some Peruvians came to Mexico in the Nueva España time to work in mines or something like that, and obviously there were mines in Zacatecas.
So who knows? Records are the most accurate way to know for sure so far to know where our roots extend. The search shall continue.
Hello. My AncestryDNA results indicate 1% ethnicity estimate to Indigenous Americas—Bolivia & Perú. I really didn't expect that, but being that our early ancestors on this side of the globe traveled a lot, it kinda made sense.
Regarding not finding any indicators of strictly "Peruvian" descent, I suspect the Spanish authorities during the Viceroyalty of Nueva Granada, as from Nueva Galicia, wouldn't categorize native Americans based on their location, but rather generalized them as you've indicated.
Please keep in mind that this is my theory. I'm not a professional genealogist, but I'm sure someone on this forum can enlight us both.
Buenos dias....
No entiendo bien como debo usar este servicio:
Esto en busqueda de antepasados mios de Talpa de Allende y Mascota, asi como de Cuquio, Jal.
En Talpa
Enrique,
Para poder ayudarte necesitamos nombres y fechas de tus abuelos si tenian hermanos y como se llamaban de que pueblo eran..si sabes como se llamaban sus padres, a veces aunque sea un solo nombre hace la diferencia hasta en años de búsqueda, porque por apellido y por zona está muy general, con gusto te orientamos ..Leticia Reynoso
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Me he dedicado a rastrear en estos días a los Muñoz, residentes del municipio de Calvillo, Aguascalientes.
Buenos días Rodolfo,
Mi mamá es originaria de Calvillo y por ende descendiente de la mayoría de aquella población pequeña de españoles. Da. María Josefa Ruiz de Salazar y Valdivia es la hija de mi sexto tío bisabuelos. Esta como señalas fue mujer de don José Antonio Muñoz de Hermosillo y Alonso de los Hinojos. Su padre fue don José María Ruiz de Salazar es hijo de mi antepasados don Juan Ramón Ruiz de Salazar y doña Gertrudis de Velasco.
Los Ruiz de Tagle son interesantes. Me imagino que esta María debió ser pariente cercano de don José Manuel Ruiz de Tagle y Rendón el cual casó doña Rosalía del Aguila y López de Nava en Calvillo el 2 de julio de 1791. Tengo la sospecha que éste debió ser nieto de don Domingo Ruiz de Tagle y doña Ignacia de Cruzat, Marqueses de Selva Nevada, pero no he dedicado tiempo para estudiarlo.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
En la acta de bautizo de José Bernardino de la Trinidad Muñoz, sus Padres son Miguel Nuñez y Nicolasa del Carmen ESPARZA.
El Padrino es Miguel Antonio Muñoz. Este Padrino puede ser la llave para descubrir los antepasados de Miguel Muñoz.
1.)-Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Maria de Muñoz are the parents of
Francisco Muñoz de Cabeza
2.)-Farncisco Muñoz de Cabeza and Francisca de Torres are the parents of Miguel Muñoz de Hermosillo
3.)-Miguel Muñoz de Hermosillo and Maria Camarena are the parents of Miguel Muñoz de Hermosillo.
4.)-Miguel Muñoz de Hermosillo and Regina de Villaseñor de Cuevas are the parents of Manuel Muñoz de Hermosillo.
5.)- Manuel Muñoz de Hermosillo and Ines Gutierrez de Mendoza are the parents of Miguel Antonio de Hermosillo.
6.)- Miguel Antonio Muñoz de Hermosillo is the Padrino to José Bernadino de la Trinidad which leads me to believe that he is possibly Bernardino’s paternal grandfather.
Miguel Antonio Muñoz de Hermosillo married Juana Maria Macias
Aqui esta la acta de bautizo de Josef Joachin Maximo Muñoz de Esparza, español, hijo legitimo de Miguel Muñoz y Maria del Carmel Esparza.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DB1Q-RGG?i=191&cc=1502…
https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…
En esta acta de Matrimonio Joaquin Muñoz se nombra su Padres como Miguel Muñoz y Maria del Carmen Alonso.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-691S-GRR?i=431&cc=1502…
1) Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Maria de Muñoz are the parents of
Francisco Muñoz de Cabeza
2) Farncisco Muñoz de Cabeza and Francisca de Torres are the parents of Miguel Muñoz de Hermosillo
3) Miguel Muñoz de Hermosillo and Maria Camarena are the ancestors to many Miguel Muñoz de Hermosillo.
More research needs to be done to find each link.
There is more information on M. Carmen Alonso:
Carmen Alonso is the daughter of Antonio Alonzo and Josefa Alonso
Antonio Alonso is the son of juan Alonso de los Hinojos and Veronica Lopez Castañeda
Juan Alonso de los Hinojos is the son of Capitan Pedro de los Hinojos and Ana Diaz de Medel D.
Capitan Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos
Pedro Alonso de Hinijosos had multiple marriages. The parents of M. del Carmen Alonso are related, both descending from Pedro Alonso De Hinojoso.
Through Josefa there is also a Diaz de Leon and Sotomayor ancestry.
It seems that Maria Del Carmen (del Carmel) Alonso also used the surname “de ESPARZA
Hi everyone! My name is Aliesha. My 2nd great grandmother, María Dolores Magallanes, was born in Momáx, Zacatecas.
I'd like to thank the 19 members that responded to my request for a $10 donation (some told me they enclosed more, thanks) to update the website.
Many thanks to:
Sean and Rebekah Sales
Hi Joseph,
I am really having a hard time understanding the people that have logged into the site and have found there family history
that can't spare $10.
Iam sure a lot of users pay Ancestry.com 2-3 hundred a year and have turned to Nuestros Ranchos because they were unable to find there family history on Ancestry. I for one have connected with other users and have found much more family history
through NR than on other ancestry sites.
You and I have communicated through emails and if I can help you on additional donations, please let me know.
" COME ON FELLOW USERS LETS FIND THAT SPIRIT OF GIVING SO WE ALL CAN CONTINUE TO SEARCH ON THIS GREAT SITE"
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