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Hello and welcome German,

I am related to you through your Altos de Jalisco lines. The closest relationships are through the Padilla and De La Torre lines.

Good luck on your research,
Rick A. Ricci

Welcome, there's lots of resources here to help you. Also, plenty of people to assist if you have a specific question.

Paige

I never saw this post. There is a definite interest in this website online. My background is in PR/Marketing and Media. I think the real reason is people are not getting the messages.

You might get more eyes on this if you create a simple Youtube video about the content of Nuestros Ranchos. There is a HUGE genealogical community on Youtube looking for just this sort of content. You might want to consider setting up an account on there just to advertise for this website. The money you make in views will pay for the website etc.. I can help you with target ideas that will get people to click on your video to generate support. Generally speaking you can launch with topics that are most well known like maybe Cortez and his family tree. Then if people want to watch more they can come here for more details into the family and it's research.

Also if money is a problem with maintaining the website Wix and a few others have websites that are free to access. They have free templates etc. I don

Where can I send my contributions ?

Joseph, My apologies for not reponding to your call for funding. I've been inactive over a year,now. I was unable to find the site, and my password, so I thought the group had shut down. (True, I know it sounds disengenous.) I even posted in another group, asking what had become of the group, and guess what? No answers . I noticed you put a moratorium on donations,so I will be on the lookout for the next call. Thanks for not giving up on the group.

Hi Joseph,

i just saw your message. I will send my donation.
Thank you so much for all your hard work

sus leniski

Mailed out money today.

Thank you,
Esther Medrano

I'll be mailing out the $10.00 tomorrow and thanks for your hard work.

Esther

I have $10 to give you but I am in Mexico, I will figure out how to get them to you!!

Count me in, $10 bill in the mail. Not making excuses for others, but many like myself no longer use paper checks. Thanks for this wonderful website.

Ruben Rojas

Hi Joseph,
I was absent from the site for several months and I didn't see your message.
Can you cash a check from a French Bank? I dont have a US account.
Regards.
Jorge

I can help too. Let me know exact address to mail it.

So cool! I also descend from NM from another part of my family. So cool to NM and Mexico linked!

So cool! I also descend from NM from another part of my family. So cool to NM and Mexico linked!

Great work Manny. I love the story of how you found this information. Sometimes, many times luck comes into play in finding information. Many times I have been working hard and have made little progress, when suddenly for one reason or other I luckily run into something that I had been unsuccessfully looking for previously in another investigations. And some of my biggest finds have been when I take a break from my projects and research on other people that I had not previously not known had any connection to my work. Just this past week, i did research on the two subjects of last weeks “finding your roots”, Mario Lopez and Melissa Villaseñor. I was able to connect him to the Zacatecas/Jalisco D’Avila family.

Please keep up your excellent work. Hopefully soon we can get into another debate on our difference of opinions on our Estrada ancestry. I still think that your research finds have helped my conclusion that they do descend from King Ferdinand “El catolico” of Aragon.

Thanks for sharing the great story of Benito. Wow to finding his story in relation to the explorer!

I have Rufino Ansaldo and Maria Sarmiento in my tree. I just started to research my Ansaldo line.

I found a record of one of my ancestors from Zacoalco de Torres, and it looks like the surname was spelled Alsalde. I'm starting to think this was just a typo in the Church marriage certificate because I can't find any information on her. Juana de "Alsalde", married to Miguel de Castro, mother of Patricio de Castro. The document I found was actually Patricio's marriage certificate and that's how his mother's name is spelled. Could it be that her last name was Asalde or Ansaldo?

Welcome to the group. I haven't found Anzaldos in my family tree, but I also have several surnames in or around Santa Catarina: Apodaca, Gomez, Urena, Castro, Cervantes, Salazar, Meza, Moreno, Bonal. Do any of them match your tree?

My wife has ancestors in Ayo en Chico and Degollado. I haven't researched this line extensively yet, but I remember the following surnames: Martinez, Bernardino, Garcia, Flores, Ramos, Maza, Ayala, and others that I don't remember right now.

Saludos,

Steve in NC

Glen,

I think you can definitely say that Antonio Ansaldo and Felipa Nunes and Joseph Manuel Montano and Maria Beatriz Gutierrez are the grandparents of Jose Justo Rufino Ansaldo.

Danny C. Alonso

Could you provide the link to the Boletín do Instituto de Estudios Vigueses? I cannot seem to find it

Hola Gus:

Al parecer el apellido Alonso de Bugarín es compuesto, por ejemplo en el siguiente registro de portal pares:

OM_SAN_JUAN_DE_JERUSALEN, Expediente 23010
Bartolomé de las Piedras y Alonso de Bugarín Damil, natural de Santa Cristina de Bugarín, presbítero.

Padre: Cipriano de las Piedras
Madre: Catalina Alonso de Bugarín

Abuelos maternos; Jácome de Bugarín y María Alonso.

El autor Jesús Bogarín Díaz en su libro "150 linajes isleños" (está en Googlebooks) conoció varios genealogistas especializados en el apellido Bogarín que es una variante del Bugarín como lo narra en su introducción y en la Página 100 hace descender a todos del adalid Basco de Bugarín que se halló en la batalla de Guadalete.

Saludos

Marcelina

Hello Jesus. I'm afraid I can't help you, at least not yet, but I wanted to reach out to you anyway. I get very excited when I see other people researching the same people! If my research is correct, Pedro Castaneda and Maria Candelaria Ulloa are my 6th great grandparents. Unfortunately, as of right now, Maria de la Candelaria is the last Ulloa on my Castaneda tree and I have taken a bit of a break from researching the Castanedas. I wish you lots of luck on your search!
Sandra Castaneda

Yes, I agree with you. Those spelling variants are common. Vicente Ferrer was a Saint from Valencia, Spain, and the names Carmen and Carmel are at times used interchangeably.

Read more:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicente_Ferrer_(santo)

http://etimologias.dechile.net/?Carmen

Haz tenido suerte en encontrar esos documentos? Me encontre con el mismo problema

welcome. i share some of these same families. let me know if you need any help

Danny

Hi Manny, I think if i remember Juan de Malaber was the second husband of Marta Sanchez de Mendoza. But it's been a long time since I looked at these families. So when it says "su nieta" for Beatriz Gomez aka Sanchez I think they just don't know how to describe the relationship of Juan de Malaber. Technically Beatriz Sanchez/Gomez would be the step-granddaughter, if that's even a thing. Based on the multiple names Beatriz Sanchez/Gomez uses and since we know she is the actual granddaughter of Marta Sanchez de Mendoza, we can reasonable assume that her actual grandfather is Juan Sanchez de Lara. Juan de Malaber i think may be discussed in this thread:

 http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24229 

Danny

Manny,

I thread through this thread and was impressed with the amount of research that you have done with to expand our knowledge on this line and all others who have contributed thus far. I must state that I am related to this line on numerous lines, but do share a close tie through the Méndez de Torres of Zamora, Michoacán.

D. Baltazar de Avalos y Tovar and Da. Juana Ruiz de Aldana had another daughter named Da. Catalina de Avalos y Aldana (based on the various baptismal records she appears as madrina in Santa María de los Lagos and is listed as their daughter) who married D. Balthazar Martín-Barragán y Arias de Bedoya, probably in Zamora or Santa María de los Lagos, I still have yet to locate this record, if it exists. They had the following (so far what I have found):

1. Teresa Martín Barragán y Avalos b.- 7 June 1651 in San Martín de Zamora
2. Micaela Martín Barragán y Avalos b. - 19 Oct 1653 in San Martín de Zamora
3. Juana Martín Barragán y Avalos b. 11 Aug 1655 in

Hi, I´m new over here and even though I have already read a lot of the posts in this forum I didn´t read all.
So, does anybody notice that in the baptisma-chistening certificate (I really don´t know the english name)of GASPAR DE AVALOS (Lagos 6 july 1636), son of Baltazar de Avalos and Juana de Aldana, the godmother was Isabel de Avalos, daugther of Gabriel de Avalos.

Although, this document doesn´t prove they were brothers, it definitely proves that a link between them existed.

Cheers. Daniel.
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Hola, soy nuevo por acá y aunque ya leí una gran cantidad de publicaciones de este foro no logré leerlas todas.
Así que les pregunto. ¿Alguien ya se había percatado que en la Fe de bautismo de GASPAR DE ÁVALOS (lagos, 6 de julio 1636), hijo de Baltazar de Ávalos y Juana de Aldana, la madrina fue Isabel de Ávalos, la hija de Gabriel de Ávalos?

Aunque esto no prueba el parentesco entre ellos, sin duda si demuestra una relación de algún tipo entre ellos.

Saludos, Daniel.

Hola a todos:

Sobre la relación entre las líneas de los Ávalos entre sí, probablemente éstas ya existían desde España, pues el apellido Ávalos constiuye una de las ramas de la casa, solar y divisa Ramírez de la Piscina, desde 1537 hasta ahora la rama Ávalos ha participado en la custodia de la divisa. Actualmente la tiene el Marqués de Legarda como sucesor de la casa de Ábalos.

Existe una relación geográfica puesto que la Iglesia de Santa María de la Piscina se encuentra próxima " a media legua" del poblado de Ábalos.

En el libro La Divisa, solar y Casa Real de la Piscina, de Jaime Salazar y Acha et al,(cuya muestra está en GoogleBooks) se puede leer en la página 14 se dice que en 1534 el Doctor Diego Ramírez de la Piscina, historiador de Navarra conocido como Diego Ramírez de Ávalos ganó el pleito contra los usurpadores de la Divisa ante la Real Chancillería de Valladolid.

Mi abuelo materno me informó que nuestra rama (Ramírez de Coy) proviene del tronco Ramírez de la Piscina al

Hi Manny,

Unfortunately, I don't have any information on these families and haven't really done too much research since starting school, but, I do descend from Gabriel de Avalos and Maria de Mendoza/Quezada who are my 11th great grandparents. I do agree with your theory that Gaspar, Gabriel, Alonso, and Sebastian are brothers. I'm not sure about Baltasar, but it makes sense he might be too. I'm curious though, I have an Avalos that I haven't found parents for and am wondering if in your research you've come across a Juana de Avalos aka Juana de Villasenor. I'm estimating she was born sometime between 1650 and 1670. She was married to Francisco de Calderon. Their daughter Leogarda de Villasenor aka Leogarda de Calderon married Joseph Diaz de Leon aka Joseph Diaz de Sotomayor in 1709.

Chris

Gaspar de Avalos KLQH-JG8 (ID for Familysearch.org) cc Luisa de Quezada y Mendoza
one of the children Nicolas is named Garcia de Avalos (?) one of the children Juan is born in Irapuato, Gto.

Alonso de Avalos MJRW-6VR cc Catalina de Orosco

Gabriel de Avalos LHTX-XTH cc Maria Quezada (m:26 NOV 1613 Santa Ma de los Lagos)

Sebastian de Avalos K87F-92K - cc Mariana de Castro

you probably have all this information. I worked on it in 2015 but somehow lost my way to others. Sebastian is my 9th greatgrandfather. I have him as Sebastian Balthazar.

A lot of records in San Luis Potosi, are not in Familysearch. I have been creating records from SLP, SLP (la cuidad), Mexico. If you need help just let me know.

I agree with Manny. The long part of the "f" lost some ink in the middle, so it's hard to see it as one letter. Notice the "j" in the word "hijo" above has the same issue, but the line is a bit darker. The "difta" is a separate abbreviation.

Rosalinda

I see "Delfin," followed by “di.fta” - the abbreviation of “difunta” or “deceased.”

Manny Díez Hermosillo

The word you are referring to is "Velóse" which refers to a ceremony which takes place after the actual marriage sacrament. "Consistía en unir con un manto a los cónyuges en la misa nupcial celebrada inmediatamente después del casamiento"

Oxford Dictionary

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

It all depends. In some communities, if you’re lucky, they do name the person's tribe. For instance, I was just looking at marriage records in Venado, SLP, early 1700s, and some individuals are listed as “Indio Tlascalteco,” and others as “Tarasco,” and yet others as “Guachichile.” I've also seen records from Chihuahua during the 1800s, that would name "Apaches" and "Comanches," etc. But for the most part, you’ll just get the generic “India/o.” It’s hit & miss. Just keep digging through the archives.

You can also use DNA: Ancestry has my indigenous DNA being predominantly from central Chihuahua: my most recent ancestors documented as Indigenous (whose DNA would likely be the only ones registering) lived in Satevó and in Cusihuiriachi: from looking at an interactive map of first nations that I saw online, I know that the local tribes in those places were Concho and Rarámuri, respectively. I have earlier Indigenous ancestors from the Mexican interior, but they are too far back in my

Hi Alice,

Daniel is correct, there were various haciendas by that name. If your ancestor was married in Asientos, then he was likely from the Agostadero located nearby, and which today is known as Villa Garcia, Zacatecas. The main house is now the municipal palace. Historically, it was in the diocese of San Matias, Pinos, Zac, so that's probably where you want to steer your search.

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hi Alicia,

Depending on which Agostadero. I know there is one in the jurisdiction of Jalpa and the "main" one in the region is between Aguascalientes and Asientos, if I remember correctly. I hope this sheds some light!

Best Regards,

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

1)-Ysidoro Escobedo and Maria de La Concepcion
2)-Lazaro Antonio Escobedo and Juana Maria Garai (not married, Lazaro was married to another woman)
3)-Luisa Escobedo and Nicolas Bernardino Soriano ( son of Felix Soriano and Maria Luisa)
4)-Jose Manual Soriano/Suriano (aka Manuel Felix) married twice, 1st to Antonia Ortiz and 2nd to Maria del Carmen Carlos de Godi.

Happy Mother’s Day

Rick A. Ricci

baptism 25 Sept 1808 in Jerez, Zac
Maria Jesus Agapita Espanola born in Santa Fe 5 days old 11am
parents: Jose Manuel Suriano and Maria del Carmen Godoi
pat grn: Nicolas Suriano and Luisa Garay
mat grn: Juan Carlos Godoy and Magdalena de la Torre
godparents: Juan Jose Lespron and Ynes Medrano
source: 0439849 film
page 189 Family search online

Manny,

I will give my two cents on the name of Domingo González Maral's mother, and a tentative transcription of the first part of the will.

I think I agree with "de Mona." If you look at the "m" in mona and the "m" in Domingo three lines up, I think they look exactly the same. As to the "o," the writer did not close the o, making it look like a u but neither did he close the o in "Yo," when Domingo said "Sepan quantos ... como yo."

As to the place where the parents were from I think it says: "difuntos vezinos que fueron de la villa de Cubas en los Reynos de Castilla en Portugal." This wording makes sense since Castilla and Portugal were united from 1582-1640, which is when this will was written (1595).

So, the complete first section (with a small portion I could not make out) says:

"En el nombre de nuestro señor Jhesu Xpto y de la siempre virgen maria su madre, sepan quantos esta carta vieren como Yo domingo gonzalez maral ... de san luis minas del potosi de ls nueva España

How many Alex's are on NR? Geez I hope it not just me...otherwise the pressure is on!

Both requests are tough! Here are some possibilities that I see:

Surname, which may even have cut off letters:
Mona
Niona

City, which again may have cut off letters:

Cubel
Cubiel
Cubes
Cubies
Cubill

That would be the letters transcribed. Then of course the b could be a v, the s could be a z, the c could be a q, in modern spanish etc.

Do you think how "Villa" is spelled looks strange? Like 99% of the time "Villa" is found at that position in the sentance but if you look at "illa" in Castilla in the next line, it looks different than in Villa. Maybe it doesnt say villa and the city is "X de X"?

Tough one!

Alex

Could it be that the village in Portugal is written as Cubæ and may represent Cuba, Portugal?

Muchas gracias por compartir. La revise y se ve muy interesante. ¡Buenas fotos!
Un cordial saludo,
Austin Pérez

Almost positive it was short for Tranquilino

Thanks for everyone's comments

I have a great grand father whose name was Quirino.

I too have seen Quilino as a fist name. Could also be Quirino.

I have seen “Quilino” as an abbreviation of “Aquilino” and “Tranquilino”.

Aquilino is a first name, and, according to Wikipedia, it's a variant of the name Aquiles.