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Greetings Armando,
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
You've answered my question with info to build on. This scenario demonstrates how important individual genealogy research complements the DNA data. This will be my first DNA test (actually my brother will be the subject), would you recommend the Family Finder as a good start? I really would like data from both my paternal and maternal lines. Thanks again, Alice

--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Armando wrote:

From: Armando
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, September 28, 2012, 10:21 PM

Hello Alice,

You are left to speculate. Apart from that if your Spanish ancestors had
even 2% of Asian ancestry you won't know if that 2% is from them or from
Amerindian ancestry. The same goes for any of the other ethnic breakdowns
because Spaniards are mixed with lots of ethnic groups. You can see a color
coded image of their breakdown in the following images taken from
http://dienekes

http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/browse/productDetail.jsp?product…

Autosomal Testing

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It depends on what you are looking to get out of the test. Are you more
interested in finding matches or are you more interested in just finding
which ethnic groups they think your DNA belongs to? For knowing your ethnic
makeup the best test is the Nationnal Geographic Geno 2.0 test which does
Y-DNA Deep Ancestry, MT-DNA, and an Autosomal SNP test for $199.95. It
doesn't do Y-STR testing and it doesn't do cousin matching in Family Finder
Autosomal SNP even though all of the tests are done by FamilytreeDNA for
National Genographic Geno 2.0

For matches you should do 3 different tests. The Family Finder, the 37
Marker Y-DNA and the mt-DNA tests with FamilyTreeDNA.

Regards,
Armando

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

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> Greetings Armando,
> Thank you, thank you, thank you.
> You've answered my question with info to build on. This
> scenario demonstrates how important

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Armando,
I really can't thank you enough!
I went to the site and the National Geographic Geno 2.0 sounds great. It will give me a great start, the price is better, I'm helping a non-profit organization project, AND I learn if I've got Neanderthal or Denisovan ancestry!!! Again, thanks so much, Alice

--- On Sat, 9/29/12, Armando wrote:

From: Armando
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, September 29, 2012, 2:19 AM

Autosomal Testing

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I monitor 7 family accounts with ftdna.com: mine, my father's, mother's,
maternal uncle's, my mother's maternal uncles, my father's maternal aunt's,
and my husband's, all with family finder testing. Some of my urgency to
test was based on the ages of the dna donors. But I was also just plain
curious, as well s being hopeful that they will eventually be helpful for
genealogical purposes. It is helpful to have others tested on both sides
of the family, to assist in figuring out from which side the matches
probably derive. Although there is tremendous overlap of my matches with
my parents' each of us have some unique to us. I have made a few
connections with some of my matches. I hope to make an organized effort to
utilize the information after I retire in a few years.

As one would expect, my mother's and maternal uncle's results are very
similar, but then again, with some variation in their match results, which
will give me a wider selection to work with once I begin in earnest.

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I just got my results back from ancestry.com, and found 4 connections right away, three from my hispanic side and one from my anglo side. The anglo side connection proved a great find because I was still a little iffy on the family connection being the right one.

The hispanic connections took a little work to find the generation but the results came back with many last name searches in common.

What you get from ancestry is a very general breakdown of your DNA results Southern European x%, Central European x% and then a very generic description of each Ethnic
breakdown that outlines

Modern Day Location

About Your Region (bascic history)

Migrations into this region

Migrations from this region

Plus a list of possible family matches
The good thing is when you check out the possible matches they do include direct surname matches in both trees as well as a way to compare locations of where families were born.
They also update the possible matches as people's results come in.

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Thank you, for your input on autosomal testing...I have decided to use FTDNA for testing my husband's hispanic lineage first...

I will share the results when they come in, hopefully by the end of Nov or first of Dec...

I will also check out ancestry.com's DNA testing options....

Sincerely,
Pat Silva Corbea
Tracy CA
Researching: Corbera; Serrano and Salamanca (from Momax, Zacatecas)
Perez; Andrade and Aguirre from Nochistlan, Zacatecas

----- Original Message -----
From: rmcneal103@msn.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:51:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing

The hispanic connections took a little work to find the generation but the results came back with many

Momax

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Pat,

I noticed your research surnames, specifically Serrano. Do you happen to have Prudencia Rita Serrano in your tree? Good luck, with your autosomal testing.

Momax

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Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

I just realized that I didn't reply to "OctoberFly," posting on Mon, 2012-09-24 with reference to surname Serrano, and Prudencia Rita Serrano...

My husband's paternal grandmother Trinidad Salamanca Serrano, daughter of Juan Serrano y Jesus Maria Mora Salamanca were from Momax.

I have no information as to who Juan Serrano's parents are, but I do have Juan y Jesus Maria's offspring...they are:

Gregorio Salamanca Serrano bapt. 10 May 1866 (married Serapia Vega Mota, I have 6 children for this couple...Rufina, Yosefa, Lorenzo, Geronimo, Sixto and Braulio all with Serrano surnames...)
Sostenes Salamanca Serrano bapt. 06 Nov 1867
Petra Maria Salamanca Serrano bapt 03 Aug 1869
Cecilio Salamanca Serrano bapt.12 Jul 1871
Trinidad Serrano Mora bapt 12 Jun 1873
Trinidad Salamanca Serrano born abt 1880...it's possible that Trinidad Serrano Mora is the same person as Trinidad Salamanca Serrano. More research is needed to establish this.

I have other Serranos in file

Serrano, Prudencia Rita

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Attn: October Fly,

Your 2012-09-24 question addressed to me regarding Prudencia Rita Serrano and the possibility that she would be related to my husband's Serrano ancestors...In checking my data file, I do not see her listed...

Do you have any other Serrano ancestors/relatives, if so I'd be more than happy to check for a connection...

I wasn't sure if I had answered your question before, this may be a duplicated reply...

Pat Silva Corbera
patriciacorbera@comcast.net

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Raquel,

Your posting was more than helpful, thank you so much...now all I need to do is to decided if I want to have my husband's autosomal tested first, or mine.

I also monitor many family accounts with FTDNA.com:

myself (HVR1 &HVR2)

my nephew (on my paternal YDNA line)

4 cousins (on my maternal paternal ancestry, who also shares common direct line ancestry with my paternal direct line ancestor...my parents were first cousins once removed, sharing a male direct line common ancestor.)

and then there is my Mexican husband's paternal and maternal lines...(his paternal 67marker confirmed as Q1a3a and his mtDNA Haplogroup A, both HVR1 & HVR2).

We also had our grandson's YDNA 37 marker tested, but not his mtDNA, since it would be the same as mine and his (mother my biological offspring)...

Now it's time to see if family on my side would be interested in having their autosomal tested...

I'm pretty sure before I do that, I will order the autosomal test for my husband...

Once

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My mother's maternal uncle's haplogroup is Q1a3a2, but so far he has no
matches. Does your husband have any matches? This is the other end of the
spectrum from my dad's R1b1a2a1a1a haplogroup, (Jalisco line) .and his
1000+ matches.
Raquel Ruiz
Massachusetts

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I have a Manuel de Aguirre, md 2 Feb 1738 in Nochistlan to Ana Gertrudis
Jimenez. His parents are listed as Antonio de Aguirre and Maria de la
Rosa. Any connection? Manuel and Ana Gertrudis are my 5ggpts.

Raquel Ruiz

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Raquel,

I see no connection with the individuals that you mentioned.

Here is the locations that I am researching:

Rancho de Los Pintos Parroquia de Momax, Zacatecas
Rancho de La Jabonera, Nochistlan, Zacatecas
Santa Maria Mecatabasco, (Villa Del Refugio) Zacatecas
Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas
Senor San Jose (Plateado), Zacatecas
Colotlan, Jalisco

Surnames Researching

Corbera/Corvera/Serrano/Salamanca/Gonzalez/Mora/Mota/Robles/
Batista/Bautista/Salcedo/
Perez/Aguirre/Andrade/Delgadillo/Lopez/Contreras/Plasencia/

I have submitted a GEDCOM file to NR that can be viewed, that contains a listing of the individuals that I am researching.

YDNA - Florentino (aka Tino) Corbera) Haplogroup Q1a3a - M3+
mtDNA - Haplogroup A...

Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raquel Ruiz"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 6:03:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing

I have a Manuel de Aguirre, md 2 Feb 1738

Autosomal Testing

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Raquel,

Your posting was more than helpful, thank you so much...now all I need to do is to decided if I want to have my husband's autosomal tested first, or mine.

I also monitor many family accounts with FTDNA.com:

myself (HVR1 &HVR2)

my nephew (on my paternal YDNA line)

and then there is my Mexican husband's paternal and maternal lines...(his paternal 67marker confirmed as Q1a3a and his mtDNA Haplogroup A, both HVR1 & HVR2).

We also had our grandson's YDNA 37 marker tested, but not his mtDNA, since it would be the same as mine and his (mother my biological offspring)...

Now it's time to see if family on my side would be interested in having their autosomal tested...

I'm pretty sure before I do that, I will order the autosomal test for my husband...

Once

Autosomal Testing

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Raquel,
It's great that you've been tested. I've decided to use FTDNA, but still not sure which of the many products offered are a good fit for me.
When you say that you've made a few connections with some of your matches, what are you referring to? Are the matches names of people you didn't know you were related to?
Are they living or in the past, or both?
These are matches made possible because these family members were also tested, correct? If no matches were found, how would you be able to use the info you received?
Thanks so much for your sharing, Alice
--- On Mon, 9/24/12, Raquel Ruiz wrote:

From: Raquel Ruiz
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, September 24, 2012, 10:22 PM

Autosomal Testing

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Alice, As I indicated, I have not put any concerted effort in using the
family finder matches yet--it on my "to do" list for retirement. I've
identified a few matches with people from fellow NR members, which expanded
my list of ancestor's siblings. I've had some contact from matches not in
my Jalisco line, but either they or I have not collected enough
genealogical information to identify our shared ancestor yet. That may
come in the future. I and an HRV2 but not Full Sequence match did use the
FF to confirm that we will not be able to identify our shared ancestor.
She is the only match for my father's Haplogroup C. But we still enjoy
calling each other "cousin".
Raquel Ruiz

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Hello Raquel,
How interesting! As you can see, I don't have a vast knowledge of DNA analysis as to what can be learned and what is usable to further personal genealogical research. I suppose I'm overly cautious because of the costs involved. So you are given matches based on common DNA, but not necesarily the ancestor through whom you are related. At that point I imagine one would exchange genealogical information. That can certainly makes this a very small but exiciting world.
Again, thank you so much, Alice

--- On Wed, 9/26/12, Raquel Ruiz wrote:

From: Raquel Ruiz
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, September 26, 2012, 11:16 PM

Autosomal Testing

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Hi,

I've also used FamilyTreeDNA's family finder. I had my mother tested as
well so we are both in their system.

I've shared my info with my prima Alicia Carrillo, but I'll share here as
well.

I'm 33% Native Mexican, 55% European, and 12% North African. The family
finder gave me a list of about 40 distant relatives with strands of DNA
matches.

The more interesting part of this email chain is that I have a hunch that
Raquel and I are related via the Aguirre's from Nochistlan. My paternal
grandfather's maternal side of the family is Aguirre. I have Nicolas
Aguirre Yanes married to Maria Felipa Contreas Gonsales on May 20, 1740.
Nicolas's parents are listed as Antonio de Aguirre and Francisca Yanes. I
wonder if this is the same Antonio Aguirre in Raquel's tree????

Nicolas and Maria Felipa are my 5ggpts.

I still have some contacts from the Aguirre's from Nochistlan and one day
hope to get a y-DNA test on these Aguirres.

Saludos,
Juan Aguayo

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Alice

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Hello Juan,
Which Family Tree products did you use?
Thanks, Alice

--- On Thu, 9/27/12, Juan Aguayo wrote:

From: Juan Aguayo
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, September 27, 2012, 5:04 PM

Hi,

I've also used FamilyTreeDNA's family finder. I had my mother tested as
well so we are both in their system.

I've shared my info with my prima Alicia Carrillo, but I'll share here as
well.

I'm 33% Native Mexican, 55% European, and 12% North African. The family
finder gave me a list of about 40 distant relatives with strands of DNA
matches.

Autosomal Testing

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Hi Alice,

I've used:

mtDNA (HVR1 & HVR2)
Y-DNA (1-12, 13-25 & 26-37)
and
Family Finder (the autosomal DNA test) for both myself and my mother.

All the results were intriguing. The most intersting has been family finder
because it gave me my ethnic breakdown and a list of people that have also
tested with Family Finder and that have genetic matches.

Juan

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hello Juan,
> Which Family Tree products did you use?
> Thanks, Alice
>
> --- On Thu, 9/27/12, Juan Aguayo wrote:
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>
> From: Juan Aguayo
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thursday, September 27, 2012, 5:04 PM
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I've also used FamilyTreeDNA's family finder. I had my mother tested as
> well so we are both in their system.
>
> I've shared my info with my prima Alicia Carrillo, but I'll share here as
> well.
>
> I'm 33% Native Mexican, 55% European, and 12% North African. The family
> finder gave me a

Autosomal Testing

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Hi Juan,
Which test gave you your ethnic percentages breakdown that you mentioned? If I order the YDNA 37-mtDNA Plus for my brother to take, will I also receive this info for both the paternal and maternal sides of our family? Thanks so much, Alice

--- On Thu, 9/27/12, Juan Aguayo wrote:

From: Juan Aguayo
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, September 27, 2012, 7:02 PM

Hi Alice,

I've used:

mtDNA (HVR1 & HVR2)
Y-DNA (1-12, 13-25 & 26-37)
and
Family Finder (the autosomal DNA test) for both myself and my mother.

Juan

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hello Juan,
> Which Family Tree products did you use?
> Thanks, Alice
>
> --- On Thu, 9/27/12, Juan Aguayo wrote:
>
>
> From: Juan

Autosomal Testing

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Hi Alice,

The Family Finder product (autosomal test) gives you your ethnic breakdown.

YDNA 37-mtDNA Plus will only give you your paternal and maternal DNA info.

My mtDNA Haplogroup is A
My YDNA is Haplogroup is G2a3b1a2

I hope this helps,

Juan

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hi Juan,
> Which test gave you your ethnic percentages breakdown that you mentioned?
> If I order the YDNA 37-mtDNA Plus for my brother to take, will I also
> receive this info for both the paternal and maternal sides of our family?
> Thanks so much, Alice
>
> --- On Thu, 9/27/12, Juan Aguayo wrote:
>
>
> From: Juan Aguayo
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thursday, September 27, 2012, 7:02 PM
>
>
> Hi Alice,
>
> I've used:
>
> mtDNA (HVR1 & HVR2)
> Y-DNA (1-12, 13-25 & 26-37)
> and
> Family Finder (the autosomal DNA test) for both myself and my mother.
>
> All the results were intriguing. The most intersting has

Autosomal Testing

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Hello,
This is all so interesting, I'm a bit confused. The Family Finder states, "Due to the nature of autosomal DNA, the test does not specify from which branch of your family tree your matches or the percentages of your geographic heritage derive." I understand that to mean you were given the total percentages of ethnic groups that is your individual ethinic makeup, but not the breakdown as to what percentage of which group is from your maternal or parternal side? If you are 33% native american, is that totally from one side, or 20% maternal, 13% paternal?
As interested as I am in all of this, I must find the most useful info for my limited budget. If I were to go for the YDNA-mtDNA Plus $299. and the Family Finder $289. The $558. total cost is prohibitive for me. Someone mentioned occasional price reductions. I hope to come across one in the near future. I'm one of four siblings, one male, three female and would like to consider this as a Christmas gift for the family.

Autosomal Testing

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--- On Fri, 9/28/12, Alice Blake wrote:

From: Alice Blake
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, September 28, 2012, 1:17 AM

Hello Group Members,

I'm so happy to see that the DNA testing is on sale and brings it into the realm of my reality. I'd still like to hear from someone that has used Family Finder to clarify something for me.
The Family Finder states, "Due to the nature of autosomal DNA, the test does not specify from which branch of your family tree your matches or the percentages of your geographic heritage derive." I understand that to mean you are given the total percentages of ethnic groups that is your individual ethinic makeup, but not the breakdown as to what percentage of the group is from your maternal or parternal side? If you are found to be 33% native american, are you told that it is totally from one side, or 20% maternal and 13% paternal or are you left to speculate?

Thank you so much for

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9zbUNdodooc/TutQR_n5AZI/AAAAAAAAEXw/zVGNSQwft…

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Hello Alice,

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OHDLLGqRb_8/Tgi19oysxPI/AAAAAAAAAj8/4_6i4VY1y…

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qAdi1qnYmi4/TnorECBBe3I/AAAAAAAAAls/JDPdP56KM…

I am still going to try and get an uncle to test so I know my breakdown
from my father's side. However, I won't know what percentage of each ethnic
group is from my paternal grandfather and what percent is from my paternal
grandmother. I will only be able to speculate based on documentation I have
been able

Autosomal Testing - Possible Linking w/ Juan Aguayo and Florenti

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Hello Juan,

My husband, Florentino L. Corbera (Tino) has had his 67 marker YDNA tested with results placing him in Haplogroup Q1a3a (Native American), his mtDNA HVR1 & HVR2 results Haplogroup A (also Native American).

Tino has not taken the autosomal test, I was waiting to gather more information on what inforamtion that test would provide, plus also waiting for a possible price reduction.

Tino also links with a Nicolas Aguirre, who married on 20 May 1744 to Maria Phelipa Gonzalez Contreras all from Nochistlan. I have the year as 1744 you have 1740, I'll try and locate a record online... Nicolas and Phelipa are Tino's 4th Great-Grandparents.

I do not have Nicolas' parent's names. Phelips's parents are Juan de Contreras y Melchora Losano Gonzalez.

Nicolas and Phelipa's two sons are both Tino's 3rd Great-Grandfathers: son(1) - Joseph Joaquin Aguirre is his maternal paternal direct line and son(2) Joseph Leonicio Contreras Aguirre is his maternal direct line.

It's my understanding

Autosomal Testing - Possible Linking w/ Juan Aguayo and Florenti

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Hello Juan,

I found the marriage record for Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa Contrera, it's located online at this address
Mexico, Catholic Church Records
Zacatecas
Nochistlán
Nochistlán, Zacatecas
Matrimonios 1736-1762
214 Image of 630 (it continues top of image 215)

Do you agre there is a link with your Aguirre family and that of my husband Florentino L Corbera (Tino) ?

Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Corbera"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:41:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing - Possible Linking w/ Juan Aguayo and Florentino L Corbera

Hello Juan,

Tino has not taken the autosomal test, I was waiting to gather more information on what inforamtion that test would provide, plus

Autosomal Testing - Possible Linking w/ Juan Aguayo and Florenti

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Hi Pat,

Yes I believe your husband Florentino and I have an Aguirre link!

We're talking about the same couple of Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa
Contreras.

I'll email you separately to discuss further. I'm interested in seeing your
husbands tree. I know that the Aguirres lived in and around La Villita,
Nochistlan.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

>
> Hello Juan,
>
> I found the marriage record for Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa
> Contrera, it's located online at this address
> Mexico, Catholic Church Records
> Zacatecas
> Nochistlán
> Nochistlán, Zacatecas
> Matrimonios 1736-1762
> 214 Image of 630 (it continues top of image 215)
>
> Do you agre there is a link with your Aguirre family and that of my
> husband Florentino L Corbera (Tino) ?
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy CA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pat Corbera"
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:41:57 PM
> Subject: Re:

Autosomal Testing - Possible Linking w/ Juan Aguayo and Florenti

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Hello Juan,

I anxiously await hearing from you...

Tino's mother was from Rancho Jobonera, Nochistlan.

I ordered the autosomal/FamilyFinder test today from FamilyTreeDNA...

Patricia (Pat)J. Silva Corbera
Florentino L Corbera
Tracy CA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Aguayo"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 9:29:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing - Possible Linking w/ Juan Aguayo and Florentino L Corbera

Hi Pat,

Yes I believe your husband Florentino and I have an Aguirre link!

We're talking about the same couple of Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa
Contreras.

I'll email you separately to discuss further. I'm interested in seeing your
husbands tree. I know that the Aguirres lived in and around La Villita,
Nochistlan.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

>
> Hello Juan,
>
> I found the marriage record for Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa
> Contrera, it's located online

Autosomal Testing - Possible Linking w/ Juan Aguayo and Florenti

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Papagaia's Journey of Discovery

Hi Pat,

Yes I believe your husband Florentino and I have an Aguirre link!

We're talking about the same couple of Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa
Contreras.

I'll email you separately to discuss further. I'm interested in seeing your
husbands tree. I know that the Aguirres lived in and around La Villita,
Nochistlan.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

>
> Hello Juan,
>
> I found the marriage record for Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa
> Contreras, it's located online at this address
> Mexico, Catholic Church Records
> Zacatecas
> Nochistlán
> Nochistlán, Zacatecas
> Matrimonios 1736-1762
> 214 Image of 630 (it continues top of image 215)
>
> Do you agree there is a link

Autosomal Testing - Possible Linking w/ Juan Aguayo and Florenti

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Sorry, I didn't mean to re-send this posting exchange...Disregard...

Thank you,
Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Corbera"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 4:56:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing - Possible Linking w/ Juan Aguayo and Florentino L Corbera

Papagaia's Journey of Discovery

Hi Pat,

Yes I believe your husband Florentino and I have an Aguirre link!

We're talking about the same couple of Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa
Contreras.

I'll email you separately to discuss further. I'm interested in seeing your
husbands tree. I know that the Aguirres lived in and around La Villita,
Nochistlan.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Pat

Autosomal Testing - Possible Linking w/ Juan Aguayo and Florenti

Comment

Primo Juan,

Let's throw another possible link, my husband Juan Carrillo has some Aguirre lines that I haven't had the time to explore, also from Nochistlan.

Alicia

________________________________
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing - Possible Linking w/ Juan Aguayo and Florentino L Corbera

Papagaia's Journey of Discovery

Hi Pat,

Yes I believe your husband Florentino and I have an Aguirre link!

We're talking about the same couple of Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa
Contreras.

I'll email you separately to discuss further. I'm interested in seeing your
husbands tree. I know that the Aguirres lived in and around La Villita

Autosomal Testing

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Juan,
I'm not sure about that connection. I have not located Manuel de Aguirre's
baptismal. There is a possible record in Teocaltiche in 1714; I have to
comb through the records to locate it--its not in sequence But it would
then conflict with his mg record that states he is from Nochistlan. And
the 1738 mg record lists his father as deceased but not his mother. If she
isn't deceased, then his father couldn't be your Antonio, since it looks
like your Antonio Aguirre and Francisca Yanez were still procreating in
1729. Do you have the mg record for Antonio and Francisca, and does in
indicated he was a widow?

Also, I have Family Finder results for both me and my father. I would
have thought one of us would have come up as a match with either you or
your mother. But I'll let you know if I find more on that line.
Raquel Ruiz

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Juan Aguayo wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've also used FamilyTreeDNA's family finder. I had my mother tested as
> well so we are both

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Hi All, familysearch just released the Catholic records for Durango! I have a couple so I am very happy!

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Just read your Feb 13th post !

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Hi Daniel :)

I just read your Feb 13th 2010 post and am so happy to hear that info about Durango! I just recently found out that my grandmother Antonia Delgado born in 1910 in Durango, Mexico. I would love to find out more about her background since she had a sad life that ended shortly at 23 yrs old!

I recently went on a trip to California and went to the Norwalk Hall of records/Civil Registar and looked up her death certificate. The odd thing is that it says she was buried at Calvary Cemetary, in Los Angeles, yet when I went there, they had no record of her being buried there!

I was also able to find out that her mother's name was Victoriana Guimenez. Her father's name was unknown. Undoubtedly he was a Delgado : )

Family Search Update

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I am not sure how long it has been on their list, but on looking at the list of regions they are currently working on, aside from the 1930 Census in Zacatecas, they are also working on the states of Michoacan, Mexico and I think it also said D.F.
I also noticed that they are working on getting records up for Lugo, Galicia, Espana. I am especially looking foward to that, as I have managed to trace one family surname back to Lugo. For anyone else researching the de la Torre surname, from what I've noticed that surname is concentrated in Galicia, at least it appears that way in the 18th century baptismal and marriage records.

Family Search Update

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Where did you find the list, I have several Michoacan families
I am researching,

Regards,
Daniel

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> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: texn_4_ever@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:44:02 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search Update
>
> I am not sure how long it has been on their list, but on looking at the list of regions they are currently working on, aside from the 1930 Census in Zacatecas, they are also working on the states of Michoacan, Mexico and I think it also said D.F.
> I also noticed that they are working on getting records up for Lugo, Galicia, Espana. I am especially looking foward to that, as I have managed to trace one family surname back to Lugo. For anyone else researching the de la Torre surname, from what I've noticed that surname is concentrated in Galicia, at least it appears that way in the 18th century baptismal and marriage records.

Family Search Update

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This list is on the original family search website, under Family Search Indexing Projects.
Here is the link http://indexing.familysearch.org/projects/current_projects.jsf.

Family Search Update

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I was just informed that Family Search labs will be uploaded to a new version 2and will publish MANY records next week, hopefully some are Mexican records.Im still waiting on Jalisco and Zacatecas. The site wil also have a different look onsome things.
Daniel

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: texn_4_ever@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:39:41 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search Update
>
> This list is on the original family search website, under Family Search Indexing Projects.
> Here is the link http://indexing.familysearch.org/projects/current_projects.jsf.
>
>

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Si, es muy interesante que ya hayan subido los archivos de Durango, ya empecé la búsqueda de algunos registros en dichos documentos y encontré tres actas de defunción de tres de mis ancestros y me falta encontrar una mas. Encontré las de Juana de Heredia, Juana Martínez y Diego de la Mancha, solo me falta encontrar la de Francisco Gil.

También encontré la confirmación de dos hijos del Tesorero Juan Saénz de Vidaurre y Luisa de Saavedra, de quienes también desciendo y los cuales tienen descendientes en Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco.

Así también encontré un registro de la defunción de el Sr. Canónigo don Gonzalo García de Hermosillo el 02 de abril de 1652 y me surgió una duda, ya que creo puede ser el registro de la defunción del primer Obispo de Durango, pero no estoy seguro ya que leyendo algunas biografías del primer Obispo de Durango he leído que murió en 1631 en Sinaloa. Si alguien puede aclarar esta duda sería de gran ayuda histórica para todos los duranguenses.

Saludos.
Jorge

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Hola Jorge podias decir en que registros de Durango encontrastes los confirmacions o enviar me la informacion?Tambien desciendo de los Saenz de Vidaurre. No Sabia que eran de Durango.
Gracias,
Daniel
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Son de Lagos de Moreno, pero a mi también se me hizo curioso que hayan sido confirmados en Durango, y por cierto menciona que Juan Saénz de Vidaurre era Tesorero de la ciudad. Yo sabía que era Alferez de Lagos de Moreno. Lo encontré en el libro de bautizmos mas antiguo.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Just read your Feb 10th post re: Durango

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Hi Daniel! :)

I just read your Feb 10th post and am so happy to hear that info about Durango! I just recently found out that my grandmother Antonia Delgado born in 1910 in Durango, Mexico. I would love to find out more about her background since she had a sad life that ended shortly at 23 yrs old!

I recently went on a trip to California and went to the Norwalk Hall of records/Civil Registrar and looked up her death certificate. The odd thing is that it says she was buried at Calvary Cemetary, in Los Angeles, yet when I went there, they had no record of her being buried there!

I was also able to find out that her mother's name was Victoriana Guimenez. Her father's name was unknown. Undoubtedly he was a Delgado : )

-Alexis Villagrana

Just read your Feb 10th post re: Durango

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This is good, yup take advantage of all the free records, I think its a very special blessingin having records easily accesible to us!
Daniel

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: alexisvillagrana@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:27:27 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Just read your Feb 10th post re: Durango
>
> Hi Daniel! :)
>
> I just read your Feb 10th post and am so happy to hear that info about Durango! I just recently found out that my grandmother Antonia Delgado born in 1910 in Durango, Mexico. I would love to find out more about her background since she had a sad life that ended shortly at 23 yrs old!
>
> I recently went on a trip to California and went to the Norwalk Hall of records/Civil Registrar and looked up her death certificate. The odd thing is that it says she was buried at Calvary Cemetary, in Los Angeles, yet when I went there, they had no record of her being buried there!
>
> I was also able to find out that her mother's name was

Calvary Cemetary records, Los Angeles

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Hi Alexis
Here is a link the the Los Angeles Archdiocese with instructions on how to locate your grandmothers grave. http://archdiocese.la/prayer/cemeteries/info/records.html
My great grandmother is buried there and when I went in person, they were unable to locate her grave. In their defense, I did not have an appointment,they had other people waiting to see them, I only had a death year and it was 1929 which is not in their computer database, so it had to be looked up the old fashioned way. I later wrote them a letter and they were able to give me the location of her grave.
Most helpful was calling the mortuary listed on her death certificate. They gave me the name of the family parish and between the two of them I got more information than I could have hoped for. Hope this helps.

P.S. I do not live in Los Angeles but I am originally from there and visit frequently. If you have the exact location of a grave in Calvary or Rose Hills I can take a picture for you. I may take 1-3

Calvary Cemetary records, Los Angeles

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Hello-
I am having a similar challenge. Accept, in addition, cannot locate a
death record for my great grandmother Francisca Garcia Torres. The family
story is that she gave birth to my grandfather, Francisco (who also does
not have a birth certificate) in Los Angeles. She did not recover fully
from labor and four months later she died. No records but I do have death
photos. I have contacted Los Angeles County and have had no luck. I have
the likely address she resided at when she passed away- but this is it. I
have been told she was placed in an unmarked grave in L.A. somewhere.

Any suggestions?
-Esperanza

Calvary Cemetary records, Los Angeles

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Esperanza-I'm just kind of thinking out loud. I'm wondering if she was
Roman Catholic and whether the Church keeps records of Last Rites. Since
you have a possible address, maybe you can call the LA Archidiocese and find
out what parish she would have lived in at the time. Also, would the public
library be a resource to find out where paupers' graves would have been
located and registered? Even if they were unmarked, they probably would
have been registered somewhere. Good luck.--Raquel

FRANCISCO GIL, ALIAS VASCO GIL

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Jorge,

Me imagino que el acta de defunción que te hace falta es la de Francisco Gil
casado con Juana Martínez. En caso no las tuvieras, tengo las fechas de
defunción y entierro de su hijo Francisco Gil (alias Vasco Gil) y su esposa
Ana de la Mancha (alias Ana García). Me podrías dar las fechas de defunción
de Juana de Heredia, Juana Martínez y Diego de la Mancha?

Gracias,

BILL FIGUEROA

FRANCISCO GIL, ALIAS VASCO GIL

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Hola Bill, que gusto intercambiar información contigo. Ayer encontré el acta de defunción que me faltaba y además ya tengo las fechas de defunción que me quieres proporcionar.

Francisco Gil (11 agosto 1644 en Durango)

Juana Martínez (10 septiembre 1666 en Durango)

Diego de la Mancha (12 agosto 1650 en Durango)

Juana de Heredia (24 octubre 1664 en Durango)

Vasco Gil (02 octubre 1679 en Aguascalientes)

Ana de la Mancha (22 agosto 1684 en Aguascalientes)

Lo que si quisiera es preguntarte si tienes información de mis siguientes ancestros de Aguascalientes que no he podido seguirles la línea; todos sabemos la gran labor de investigación que estás haciendo en Aguascalientes y nadie mejor que tu para poder ayudarme si puedes.

1.- Los ancestros de Juan González de Sarabia y Ana López de Nava, casados en Aguascalientes 08 de marzo de 1654.

2.- Los ancestros de Desiderio Martín Gallardo y Jerónima de la Torre; lo único que se es que Desiderio es hijo de Ana de Elizarrarás.

3.-

FRANCISCO GIL, ALIAS VASCO GIL

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Hola Jorge,

Muchas gracias por la información de los ancestros de Vasco Gil en Durango, de donde era originario y vecino antes de irse a Aguascalientes con su familia. Aunque no es mi línea, siempre me han interesado las conexiones que existen entre las familias de esa región. Eso te demuestra que la genealogía no tiene fin, siempre seguimos buscamos más y más. Aunque he avanzado mucho desde que empezé hace cinco años, me doy cuenta que me falta mucho, pero trato de mantenerme enfocado para lograr mi objetivo.

Contestando a tus preguntas puedo decirte que aún no he encontrado quienes fueron los padres de Juan González Carvajal y Ana López de Nava. Sé que contrajeron matrimonio el 8 de Marzo de 1654 en Aguascalientes. Juan falleció el 12 de Octubre de 1664 a los 10 años de casados, y Ana el 19 de Noviembre de 1691. Tuvieron dos hijas, Elvira bautizada en la Parroquia de la Asunción el 14 de abril de 1655, y María de quien no tengo fecha de bautismo. María contrajo matrimonio

FRANCISCO GIL, ALIAS VASCO GIL

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Muchas gracias Bill, seguimos en contacto.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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FRANCISCO GIL, ALIAS VASCO GIL

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Bill, la fecha de defunción de Ana López de Nava está correcta? Nunca he visto ese registro y ahora que me enviaste la fecha me puse a buscar de nuevo en esas fechas y no la encontré. Estará en algun otro libro equivocadamente o porque no la encuentro? Podrías enviarme la imagen de ese registro si no es mucha molestia.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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FRANCISCO GIL, ALIAS VASCO GIL

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Jorge,

Ana López de Nava otorgó testamento en Aguascalientes el 19 Nov 1691 ante
Don Antonio Pérez de Velasco, Escribano Público. Me olvidé de decirte que
la fecha es aproximada y así es como la tengo en mis datos, "approx. 19 Nov
1691". En esa fecha Doña Ana estaba enferma en cama y me imagino cercana a
la muerte. Su testamento empieza de la siguiente manera:

"En nombre de Dios todo poderoso Amen = Sepan quan-
tos esta carta de mi testamento, y ultima volumptad vieren como
yo Ana Lopez de Naba vezina de esta Villa de Aguas calientes
y viuda de Juan Gonzalez Carabajal vezino assi mismo que fue de
esta Villa, estando enferma en cama del achaque que Dios nxo.
Señor ha sido servido de darme, y en mi entero, y sano Juicio
cumplida, y cabal memoria temiendome de la muerte que es
cosa natural a toda criatura viviente, y su hora incierta im-
bocando como imploro e imboco por mis intercesores y abogados
a la siempre Virgen Maria Madre de Dios y Señora nxa

FRANCISCO GIL, ALIAS VASCO GIL

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Muchas gracias Bill, así como tu, yo también prefiero poner una fecha aproximada tanto en los nacimientos como en las defunciones. En muchos de mis ancestros tengo como antes o despues de cierto año, o un rango de fechas para después poder buscar en algunos registros.

Gracias por la aclaración.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Jorge,
esta no es una respuesta sobre tu la tema "1.- Los ancestros de Juan González de Sarabia y Ana López de Nava, casados en Aguascalientes 08 de marzo de 1654," pero queria dar mas informacion sobre sus descendientes que acabo de encontrar.

En Guadalajara Matrimonios 1732, Film 168117, Image 216, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-17113-74?cc=1874591&wc… , se encuentra la dispensa para la boda de Felix Gil y Juana Esqueda en Jalpa, Zac.

El arbol es:
A1. Ana Lopez de Nava -- B1. Maria Ruiz de Esparza
A2. Maria Gonzalez De Sarabia -- B2. Baltazar Esqueda
A3. Juan Gil -- B3. Juan Esqueda
A4. Felix Gil -- B4. Juana Gertrudis Esqueda

Ojala que esto te ayuda.
Arturo

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Hi everyone,

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Help?

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Hi Laura,
I don't know if you got the suggestion I posted on Nuestros Ranchos to your request I think perhaps it didn't get sent out as an email. You may try San Juan Bautista Church records for the time frame your looking for. My research is also in that area and my ancestors used both churches.
Good Luck
On Dec 1, 2012, at 3:55 PM, mayangrl@sonic.net wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I spent most of my summer working on genealogy (I'm a teacher, so I was on vacation). I've just come back after a hiatus and I thought the time off might clear my head and give me some more ideas about how to find missing relatives. No such luck.
>
> Maybe you can help with some ideas?
>
> I'm looking for my ggrandmother, Vita Castañeda Galván. I have found other documents mentioning her, but not a baptismal certificate (which I have now become fixated on).
>
>
> Name: (Ma) Vita Castañeda Galvan
> Born: abt 1881-1883 (according to her marriage cert., she was 18 in 9/1899, birthday in June. Took place

Help?

Comment

Hello Laura,
You may never definitely know why and you won't know the true birth year until you find the baptismal info. I came across a similar situation with my own mother. She had always given 05/14/1915 as her birthdate in Aguascalientes, and on all subsequent official and religious paperwork, including border crossings. BUT she never had a copy of her baptismal record, much less a birth certificate. She passed away in 2002 and I didn't start our family genealogy until about five years ago. The first inconsistency I found was in the 1930 Mexican Census (where although she was living away from home working as a rural teacher), she was listed by her family as being 18 and having been born in Zacatecas. After much research, I finally located her baptismal record stating she was actually born on 05/18/1911, indeed, in Zacatecas. My first reaction was I wouldn't mind dropping four years off, too. But why would she bother to change
her birth date from the 18th to the 14th?

Help?

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Hello Laura,

I also ran a quick check and only found two brother for her. My ancestors are also from Jerez and Tepetongo. I'v found them and their children are baptized at both Jerez, Imaculada and at San Juan Bautista. Have you searched through the records of San Juan Bautista for the period you are looking? Could be there.

Good Luck,
Barbara

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Thanks for the idea, I'll check it out. I too found her brothers, and an older half brother from a different mother. The search continues....

Laura Gonzalez

Research Digest, Vol 83, Issue 2

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LAURA,
HI, I hope this reaches you. I am not familiar as to how to respond to this. Well in regards to Vita Castaneda, Have you tried maybe looking for the name Victoria, Vitaliana, and Vitalina.

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PLEASE change subject Line: Research Digest, Vol 83, Issue 2

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Lately there have been a rash of messages with the subject line being left intact from the Digest. Please be aware that

"Research Digest, Vol 83, Issue 2" has very little meaning SO PLEASE change the subject line to properly reflect the content of your message.

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Help with origin of the Esquibia family, Mesquiticacan, and laborios

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Does anyone know where the Esquibia brothers, Lorenzo and Francisco hail
from? They show up in the Nochistlan area (Mesquiticacan--is that an
early version of Mexticacan?) in the 1660s.

Comments

Help with origin of the Esquibia family, Mesquiticacan, and labo

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Raquel,

Prior to 1774, Mexticacan fell under the jurisdiction of Nochistlan, Zacatecas and at other times it fell under the jurisdiction of Yahualica, Jalisco.

Alicia

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From: Raquel Ruiz
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 12:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help with origin of the Esquibia family, Mesquiticacan, and laborios

Does anyone know where the Esquibia brothers, Lorenzo and Francisco hail
from? They show up in the Nochistlan area (Mesquiticacan--is that an
early version of Mexticacan?) in the 1660s. Lorenzo and his wife Juana
Yanez del Monte are my 8ggpts. I've not located a mg record, but have
located 5 children between 29 Aug 1667 and 20 Jun 1677, Maria, Antonia,
Juan. Lorenzo, and Nicolasa.

One baptismal record stated that they were "laborios todos". Does that
just mean they were all manual laborers, or does it mean more? They are
consistently labeled as espanoles.

Thanks for any help or

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Alicia, thanks for responding but want I wanted to confirm that
"Mesquiticacan" is an earlier name for the same place.
Raquel

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

> Raquel,
>
> Prior to 1774, Mexticacan fell under the jurisdiction of Nochistlan,
> Zacatecas and at other times it fell under the jurisdiction of Yahualica,
> Jalisco.
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Raquel Ruiz
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 12:28 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help with origin of the Esquibia family,
> Mesquiticacan, and laborios
>
> Does anyone know where the Esquibia brothers, Lorenzo and Francisco hail
> from? They show up in the Nochistlan area (Mesquiticacan--is that an
> early version of Mexticacan?) in the 1660s. Lorenzo and his wife Juana
> Yanez del Monte are my 8ggpts. I've not located a mg record, but have
> located 5 children between 29 Aug 1667 and 20 Jun 1677, Maria, Antonia,
> Juan. Lorenzo, and

Help with origin of the Esquibia family, Mesquiticacan, and labo

Comment

Raquel,

In early days, I have found it spelled with various different spellings, again, it all depended on who was writing it and also taking into consideration that prior to the Bourbon reforms, there wasn't a standard spelling format.

Sorry if I misunderstood your earlier question.

Alicia

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To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help with origin of the Esquibia family, Mesquiticacan, and laborios

Alicia, thanks for responding but want I wanted to confirm that
"Mesquiticacan" is an earlier name for the same place.
Raquel

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

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Hola Raquel,

Mesquiticacan is the early spelling an pronunciation of Mexticacán. The
name, derived from the Nahuatl, is composed of the following words:

Mezquitl = mezquite, itic = dentro, and can = lugar. So the word means
"lugar entre mezquites" or "lugar rodeado de mezquites" which translates
into "a site surrounded by mesquites". If you live in Northern Mexico or
the Southwestern United States you already know that mesquite is a deciduous
tree about 20-30 feet high that grows in these areas. It is found
everywhere in Texas.

I don't know where Lorenzo de Esquibias was born, but I do know that he was
español and lived in Mexticacán, where he died on 20 Dec 1691. His son Juan
de Esquibias married his distant relative Marcela de Iñiguez y Cuevas on 26
Jan 1693 in Nochistlán. The following is an extraction from the book
"Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara..." by Luz Montejano Hilton:

251 "Nochistlán, Zac. Enero 1 de 1693. Exp. 110.- Dispensa de cuarto grado
de consanguinidad.- Juan

Help with origin of the Esquibia family, Mesquiticacan, and labo

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Bill,
Thanks for the reply and confirmation re Mesquiticacan and the Nahautl
deriviation.

I have looked at both the books. I guess I should have indicated that in my
initial inquiry.

I do need to figure out how Lorenzo Yanez and Maria de Benavides are
cousins. Do you know?

Thanks.
Raquel

Help with origin of the Esquibia family, Mesquiticacan, and labo

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Hi Raquel,

Unfortunately, I don't know how Lorenzo Yáñez and María de Benavides are
related, but have a strong suspicion that it is through the Benavides line.
We now that Lorenzo Yáñez was the son of Gonzalo Yáñez del Monte and
Gerónima de Benavides. María de Benavides (Marcela's grandmother) could be
the daughter of Gerónima's brother or sister. That would make Lorenzo
Yañez and María de Benavides first cousins. Maybe someone in this forum
knows the answer to your question.

Best regards,

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raquel Ruiz"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help with origin of the Esquibia family,
Mesquiticacan, and laborios

Bill,
Thanks for the reply and confirmation re Mesquiticacan and the Nahuatl
deriviation.

I have looked at both the books. I guess I should have indicated that in my
initial inquiry.

I do need to figure out how Lorenzo Yanez and Maria de Benavides are
cousins. Do you know

Help with origin of the Esquibia family, Mesquiticacan, and labo

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I have not personally researched it, but I note that Retonos lists Geronima
as the only issue of Luis de Benavides, with the mother unnamed. I don't
have parents for Gonzalo Yanez del Monte. There is the possibility that a
sibling of his married someone of the Benavides line, either male or
female. As we know, a child sometimes used the surname of the mother.
Hopefully someone has more info and will enlighten us.
Raquel

On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Bill Figueroa wrote:

> Hi Raquel,
>
> Unfortunately, I don't know how Lorenzo Yáñez and María de Benavides are
> related, but have a strong suspicion that it is through the Benavides line.
> We now that Lorenzo Yáñez was the son of Gonzalo Yáñez del Monte and
> Gerónima de Benavides. María de Benavides (Marcela's grandmother) could
> be the daughter of Gerónima's brother or sister. That would make Lorenzo
> Yañez and María de Benavides first cousins. Maybe someone in this forum
> knows the answer to your question.
>
> Best

Document Help

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I found this document but I cant read it I was wondering if anyone could help me, the link is

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Document Help

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You need to tell us the name(s) you searched and which document from that
result is the one you are wanting help with. You can't point to documents
at that site with links. The links aren't permanent. They are temporary
except for the main pages such as the search page
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=0

Armando

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:26 PM, wrote:

> I found this document but I cant read it I was wondering if anyone could
> help me, the link is
> http://pares.mcu.es/**ParesBusquedas/servlets/**
> ImageServlet?accion=41&txt_id_**imagen=2&txt_rotar=0&txt_**
> contraste=0&txt_zoom=10&**appOrigen=&cabecera=N
> Thank you!

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I'm sorry, I don't know what your name is. I tried the link to try and read the document and it said there was an error.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

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I found this document but I cant read it I was wondering if anyone could help me, the link is
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Thank you!

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Hello Joseph,

I wanted to find out if I've been doing something wrong. I posted a suggestion to the Subject "Help" posted by Laura Gonzalez on Nuestros Ranchos website. I noticed that you emailed all the responses except mine. I was wondering if I did something wrong when I responded? Not the first time this has happen, so I thought I may have sent it incorrectly.

Thanks,
Barbara Andrews

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Barbara, I have been seeing your responses to Laura.
Esther

On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Barbara Andrews <
andrewsbarbara1250@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Joseph,
>
> I wanted to find out if I've been doing something wrong. I posted a
> suggestion to the Subject "Help" posted by Laura Gonzalez on Nuestros
> Ranchos website. I noticed that you emailed all the responses except mine.
> I was wondering if I did something wrong when I responded? Not the first
> time this has happen, so I thought I may have sent it incorrectly.
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara Andrews

Help

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Thank You for getting back to me Esther, wasn't sure if I was doing this right!

On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Esther Jordan wrote:

> Barbara, I have been seeing your responses to Laura.
> Esther
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Barbara Andrews <
> andrewsbarbara1250@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Joseph,
>>
>> I wanted to find out if I've been doing something wrong. I posted a
>> suggestion to the Subject "Help" posted by Laura Gonzalez on Nuestros
>> Ranchos website. I noticed that you emailed all the responses except mine.
>> I was wondering if I did something wrong when I responded? Not the first
>> time this has happen, so I thought I may have sent it incorrectly.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Barbara Andrews

Ynchaurregui Tarahumara caciques

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Hello

Tarahumara on your family tree?

Question Regarding Sombrerete

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Hello Researchers,

I am interested in viewing church entries that would pertain to people living around Sombrerete, Zacatecas in the 1620-40's.

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Question Regarding

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Robert Martinez

You might want to try Zacatecas, being the major city in the area. Some of those Sombrerete folks may have gone there for sacraments.

Research Digest, Vol 82, Issue 25

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HolaPatty Haro , message 7 Necesitas entrar a los archivos de la parroquia determinada y buscar el evento ( bautizo, matrimonio, defuncion etc) y el ano correspondiente, abrir la primera o a veces

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Research Digest, Vol 82, Issue 25

Comment

agradezco su ayuda, si, se que muchas veces estan hechos un verdadero
relajo los films y que no solo hay que abrirlos si no que recorrerlos a ver
que sorpresa te encuentras por ahi..

Pero mi pregunta es, ya teniendo el numero de rollo por decir

266868 ,
como voy directo para alla???

2012/12/1 Julieta Vallon

>
> HolaPatty Haro , message 7 Necesitas entrar a los archivos de la
> parroquia determinada y buscar el evento ( bautizo, matrimonio, defuncion
> etc) y el ano correspondiente, abrir la primera o a veces la segunda pagina
> y alli veras si se trata del numero de film buscado. Ni que decirte que a
> veces hay que abrir varios hasta dar con el bueno. No creo que haya manera
> de hacerlo directamente en family search. saludos Julieta Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:11:33 -0600
> From: patty haro
> To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] uso family search
> Message-ID:
> iAuobA@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain

Research Digest, Vol 82, Issue 25

Comment

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A//api.famil…
Patty is this what you are looking for? these are the records online so you don't have to order them.
Linda in Boulder City..

> Llevo a?os en esto pero ya se me olvido como hacerlo, alguien me puede
> decir como ir directamente a las imagenes de un film determinado en
> familysearch??
>
> O sea, tengo el n?mero de film que necesito, existe una forma de ir
> directamente??
>
> Existe alguna forma de buscar en los registros indexados unicamente de un
> film determinado?
>
> Mil gracias por su ayuda y su comprensi?n
>
> Patricia Haro
>
>
>
>
>
>

Research Digest, Vol 82, Issue 25

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Patty what state in Mexico are you looking for? I just noticed this link does not include all the cities in Jalisco but I do have the correct one, let me know what.
Linda

________________________________
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 82, Issue 25

Para Patty Haro

Comment

Patty,

Te refieres a un estado de Mexico, Jalisco, Zac o Aguas??
Mira ve www.familysearch.org, enseguida se habre una pagina con paises, haz click en Mexico, selecciona el estado, por ejemplo, Jalisco tiene 3 opciones,

* Marriage
* Catholic Church
* Civil
Selecciona tu opcion, si seleccionas Catholic Church, has click en Browse through 5,780,277 images que esta con color azul, enseguida selecciona ciudad o pueblo. Yo seleccione Tepatitlan de Morelos. Enseguida nombre de Parroquia, San Francisco de Asis, luego tipo de registros. Comienza con bautismos y selecciona los anos y sigue hasta terminar en ordenaciones de habito.

De esta manera le buscas para cada estado de Mexico que te llevara a los archivos parroquiales o civiles de cada pueblo o parroquia.

Alicia

________________________________
From: patty haro
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 82, Issue 25

agradezco su ayuda

Sanchez-Castellanos ilustres " Herminio Sanchez Sanchez alias El Gato bronco"

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El dia de hoy quiero anexar una reseña de Herminio Sanchez Sanchez un descendiente de los Sanchez-Castellanos. Anexo su arbol al final.

uso family search

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https://familysearch.org/catalog-search

hola,
Llevo años en esto pero ya se me olvido como hacerlo, alguien me puede
decir como ir directamente a las imagenes de un film determinado en
familysearch??

O sea, tengo el número de film q

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uso family search

Comment

Patricia,

Aqui te mando un enlace para que puedas dirigirte al la pagina de imagenes
relacionada con los films que buscas.

Donde dice "Search" escoje "Film Numbers" y al lado pon el numero que
buscas.

Esa pagina te llevara a otra en la cual tendras que seleccionar las letras
azules the dicen "Registros parroquiales ..."

Eso to llevara a una pagina donde encontraras todos los films de ese local.

Espero que esto te ayude.

-Angelina-

Family Search

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Hello Everyone,

Comments

Family Search

Comment

Barbara,

I've been having the same problem. Makes progress a little slow.

Juanita Henniger

Family Search

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Thanks Juanita,,

Thought it was just me,, very annoying!

On Nov 29, 2012, at 11:09 PM, juanitahenniger@msn.com wrote:

> Barbara,
>
> I've been having the same problem. Makes progress a little slow.
>
> Juanita Henniger

Family Search

Comment

I contacted Family Search re this issue and this was their response:

"Thank you for contacting FamilySearch about the blurred and pix-elated pages.
FamilySearch recently loaded a new image viewer and this may be causing this issue if you are on an older browser. The new image viewer works best with Chrome 21/22, Internet Explorer (IE) 9 or Firefox 15 or higher. In case your computer cannot run IE9, you may wish to try Chrome and in case you do not currently have the Chrome browser on your computer we have included the link for download below".

I am using Firefox 17.0.1. I would like to suggest anyone in the group having this problem should contact Family Search, and perhaps they will attempt to correct it.

Thanks,
Barbara

Alguien conoce San Cayetano y Santa Cruz cerca de Tlajomulco?

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http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/el-fraile-9/

Voy a escribir este mensaje en español esperando que alguno de los miembros que viven en Mexico, en especial los que viven cerca de Guadalajara, me puedan ayudar a identificar una poblacion.

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San Cayetano, Jalisco...

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Hola Steve,

No se si sea la que tu buscas, pero hay una localidad llamada San Cayetano en el municipio de Union de Tula, Jalisco (Tula esta "un poco" al sur de Tlajomulco).

San Cayetano en Tula, Jalisco:
http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/san-cayetano-21/

Localidades/"Ranchitos" en Tlajomulco:
http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/jalisco/tlajomulco-de-zuniga/

Esta pagina es muy util para localizar localidades/"ranchitos" demasiados pequenos que comunmente no aparecen en un mapa regular. A mi me ha servido para localizar los ranchitos donde nacieron algunos de mis ancestros.

Espero que te sea de utilidad,
Roberto Hdez

San Cayetano, Jalisco...

Comment

Hola Roberto.

Gracias por recordarme la pagina de pueblos america. Ya la habia usado tiempo atras, pero la verdad no me acordaba. Busque en el municipio de Tlajomulco, y encontre un lugar llamado San Cayetano (Ls Hacienda del Oro): http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/san-cayetano-la-hacienda-del-oro/
Al hacerle zoom in, no parece ser una poblacion sino algun tipo de granja o algo asi. Me pregunto si el San Cayetano donde vivieron mis ancestros existio cerca de este punto.

Steve in NC.

San Cayetano, Jalisco...

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Hola Steve,

De nada, esta pagina me ayudo a localizar un ranchito llamado "El Fraile",en el municipio de Ayotlan (Ayo el chico) Jalisco donde nacio mi abuelo paterno; Samuel Hernandez(Gamino??? Aun no se, estoy buscando la posible conexion) Ruiz(de Velasco) en 1910.

Haciendo "zoom", El Fraile no parece tener mas de 30 casas en la actualidad, imaginate cuantas casas debio haber tenido en 1910? Lo que se de la familia de mi Abuelo es que tuvieron ganado en aquellos tiempos, quizas El Fraile era el "Potrero" donde pasteaban su ganado y alli en alguna "choza", le toco nacer a mi abuelo.

Saludos,
Roberto Hdez

San Cayetano, Jalisco...

Comment

Hola Roberto, Tengo familia por nombre L. Dolores Godinez, 21 Mar 1902 y
dice ser de San Cayetano. Tambien estara cerca de Union de San Antonio
porque biene sus familias de ese lugar. Pero tambien yo tengo familia con
el nombre Ruiz y Ruiz de Velasco y son de Ocotlan y tambien de Jamay,
Jalisco.
-Esther

2012/11/30

> Hola Steve,
>
> De nada, esta pagina me ayudo a localizar un ranchito llamado "El
> Fraile",en el municipio de Ayotlan (Ayo el chico) Jalisco donde nacio mi
> abuelo paterno; Samuel Hernandez(Gamino??? Aun no se, estoy buscando la
> posible conexion) Ruiz(de Velasco) en 1910.
> http://mexico.pueblosamerica.**com/i/el-fraile-9/
>
> Haciendo "zoom", El Fraile no parece tener mas de 30 casas en la
> actualidad, imaginate cuantas casas debio haber tenido en 1910? Lo que se
> de la familia de mi Abuelo es que tuvieron ganado en aquellos tiempos,
> quizas El Fraile era el "Potrero" donde pasteaban su ganado y alli en
> alguna "choza", le toco nacer a mi abuelo.
>
> Saludos

Ayuda para leer Partida de Matrimonio...

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http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/ucacuaro/

Hola,

Solicito ayuda para confirmar lo que segun yo, dice en la siguiente partida de matrimonio: Casimiro Rios y Maria Dorotea Rodriguez (4ta partida de arriba hacia abajo)

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Ayuda para leer Partida de Matrimonio...

Comment

Roberto,

En el ultima partida de esa misma pagina, tambien dice el puesto de "Viaguaro". Se ve mas claro en esa partida y en los paginas que siguen. Los puedes ver mejor.

On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:30 AM, ROHernandez@safrdig.com wrote:

> Hola,
>
> Solicito ayuda para confirmar lo que segun yo, dice en la siguiente partida de matrimonio: Casimiro Rios y Maria Dorotea Rodriguez (4ta partida de arriba hacia abajo)
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18744-7414-52?cc=1883388&wc=…
> Segun Yo dice:
>
> "... Jose Casirmiro Rios espanol, natural de la villa de Leon y desde chico vive??? en este ???, en el puesto de vanguardia??? hijo legitimo de Juan Vicente Rios y Rosa Maria Mares??? "
>
> Una "traducion" completa de esta partida seria ideal.
>
> De ante mano, muchas Gracias,
> Roberto Hdez
>

Ayuda para leer...

Comment

Muchas Gracias a todos por su tiempo y valiosa ayuda!

Si, parece decir "Viaguaro", pero buscando localidades en el municipio de Ecuandureo, Michoacan en la siguiente pagina; hay un "Ucacuaro", el cual bien pudiera ser "Ucaquaro"(v = u, q = c).

Nuevamente, Gracias!
Roberto Hdez

Ayuda para leer Partida de Matrimonio...

Comment

Hola Roberto,

A mi me pares ser "...Jose Casimiro Rios Espanol natural de la Villa de Leon y desde chico residente en esta vicaria en el puesto de via?? hijo legitimo de Juan Vicente Rios y Rosa Maria Mares defuntos..."

Barbara
On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:30 AM, ROHernandez@safrdig.com wrote:

Ayuda para leer Partida de Matrimonio...

Comment

Yo leo "y desde chico residente de ??? en el puesto de Viagrande?", el
resto leo igual que tu.
Raquel

2012/11/28

> Hola,
>
> Solicito ayuda para confirmar lo que segun yo, dice en la siguiente
> partida de matrimonio: Casimiro Rios y Maria Dorotea Rodriguez (4ta partida
> de arriba hacia abajo)
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-18744-7414-52?cc=**
> 1883388&wc=11973819
> Segun Yo dice:
>
> "... Jose Casirmiro Rios espanol, natural de la villa de Leon y desde
> chico vive??? en este ???, en el puesto de vanguardia??? hijo legitimo de
> Juan Vicente Rios y Rosa Maria Mares??? "
>
> Una "traducion" completa de esta partida seria ideal.
>
> De ante mano, muchas Gracias,
> Roberto Hdez
>

Ayuda para leer Partida de Matrimonio...

Comment

Hola Roberto,

Mi interpretación es la siguiente:

"En el año del Señor de mil setecientos noventa y cinco, en diez y ocho de Noviembre, yo el Br. Ramírez, Teniente de Cura en este pueblo de Equandureo, previa las disposiciones conciliares y no habiendo resultado impedimento alguno, instruidos en la doctrina cristiana y en los principales Misterios de nuestra Santa Fe, confesados y comulgados, casé in facia eclesie y velé a José Casimiro Ríos, español, natural de la Villa de León, y desde chico residente en esta Vicaría en el pueblo de ???? [ilegible], hijo legítimo de Juan Vicente Ríos y Rosa María Ma?e? [ilegible], difuntos, con María Dorotea Rodríguez, Mestiza, del puesto de Las Fuentes, hija legítima de Xavier Rodríguez, difunto, y de María García, viva, fueron sus padrinos José Antonio García y María Felipa Solorio?? [ilegible] casados. Testigos al verlos casar Don Mariano Alvarez del Castillo, Juan Pascual y Pablo García, y para que conste lo firmo - [rúbricas] Br. Macías

Ayuda para leer Partida de Matrimonio...

Comment

De acuerdo con Bill en su transcripción, interpreto y confirmo lo siguiente:
"en esta Vicaría en el pueblo de Vaqueros", "hijo legítimo de Juan Vicente Ríos y Rosa María Mares", "padrinos José Antonio García y María Felipa Solorio"
Suerte.
Luis
> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:37:05 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ayuda para leer Partida de Matrimonio...
>
> Hola Roberto,
>
> Mi interpretación es la siguiente:
>
> "En el año del Señor de mil setecientos noventa y cinco, en diez y ocho de Noviembre, yo el Br. Ramírez, Teniente de Cura en este pueblo de Equandureo, previa las disposiciones conciliares y no habiendo resultado impedimento alguno, instruidos en la doctrina cristiana y en los principales Misterios de nuestra Santa Fe, confesados y comulgados, casé in facia eclesie y velé a José Casimiro Ríos, español, natural de la Villa de León, y desde chico residente en esta Vicaría en el pueblo de ???? [ilegible]

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18744-7414-52?cc=1883388&wc=…

Ayuda...

Comment

Muchas Gracias Bill y Luis,

Con esta informacion puedo seguir con mi busqueda. Tenia una idea de lo que ahi estaba escrito, pero necesitaba la ayuda de alguien con mucho mas experiencia para confirmarlo.

Nuevamente; "Muchas Gracias a los dos por su valiosa ayuda!"
Roberto Hdez

Ayuda para leer Partida de Matrimonio...

Comment

Pero en qué microfilm está esa partida.?
Hasta ahorita lo qué veo es qué el es nacido en la villa de León pero que tiene algunos años viviendo en ese lugar.mándame más datos y te ayudo a leerla.
Martha

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G LTE exclusively from Sprint

----- Reply message -----
From: ROHernandez@safrdig.com
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ayuda para leer Partida de Matrimonio...
Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 10:30 AM

Hola,

Solicito ayuda para confirmar lo que segun yo, dice en la siguiente partida de matrimonio: Casimiro Rios y Maria Dorotea Rodriguez (4ta partida de arriba hacia abajo)

Segun Yo dice:

"... Jose Casirmiro Rios espanol, natural de la villa de Leon y desde chico vive??? en este ???, en el puesto de vanguardia??? hijo legitimo de Juan Vicente Rios y Rosa Maria Mares??? "

Una "traducion" completa de esta partida seria ideal.

De ante mano, muchas Gracias,
Roberto Hdez

Ayuda...

Comment

Hola Martha,

Gracias por ofrecerme tu ayuda.

No fue a travez de un microfilm, la partida de matrimonio la encontre' directamente en la pagina de Familysearch, en el link que puse'.

Gracias,
Roberto Hdez

Correas from Atolinga ZAC early 1800's

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My great great Grandfathers were born around the
1810’s , their names were Juan Correa and Maria Reyes
Diaz, they had 4 kids Francisco(priest), Ysidora,
Francisca , Maria Gertrudis and J. Guadalupe Correa

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Correa/Correas from Atolinga and Tlatenango

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I am also searching Correa/Correas from Atolinga and Tlaltenango, Zacatecas. Perhaps we will find a common ancestor if you are able to get 1 or 2 more generations further back.

I did come across these children of Juan Correa and Maria Reyes
Diaz:
1. MICAELA CORREA DIAS
Gender: Female Christening: 12 MAY 1830 Atolinga, Zacatecas, Mexico

2. M. BONIFACIA CORREA DIAS
Gender: Female Christening: 17 MAY 1830 Atolinga, Zacatecas, Mexico

3. MARIA HILARIA CORREA DIAS
Gender: Female Christening: 07 NOV 1832 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico

4. JE. VICENTE CORREA DIAZ
Gender: Male Christening: 07 APR 1834 Atolinga, Zacatecas, Mexico

5. MA. JUANA LADISLAO CORREA DIAZ
Gender: Female Christening: 29 JUN 1835 Atolinga, Zacatecas, Mexico

6. FRANCO. CORREA DIAZ
Gender: Male Christening: 29 DEC 1837 Atolinga, Zacatecas, Mexico

7. JOSE GUADALUPE CORREA DIAS
Gender: Male Christening: 19 DEC 1839 Atolinga, Zacatecas, Mexico

8. MARIA FRANCISCA DE PAULA CORREA DIAS
Gender: Female

Correa/Correas from Atolinga and Tlatenango

Comment

Thank you for your help. There might be a
posibility of 2 marriages Correa-Dias at about the
same time,for there are two kids 1 or 2 months apart.

We will be in touch pariente.

Carlos

--- aajay1073 wrote:

>
> I am also searching Correa/Correas from Atolinga and
> Tlaltenango, Zacatecas. Perhaps we will find a
> common ancestor if you are able to get 1 or 2 more
> generations further back.
>
> I did come across these children of Juan Correa and
> Maria Reyes
> Diaz:
> 1. MICAELA CORREA DIAS
> Gender: Female Christening: 12 MAY 1830 Atolinga,
> Zacatecas, Mexico
>
> 2. M. BONIFACIA CORREA DIAS
> Gender: Female Christening: 17 MAY 1830 Atolinga,
> Zacatecas, Mexico
>
> 3. MARIA HILARIA CORREA DIAS
> Gender: Female Christening: 07 NOV 1832 Tlaltenango
> De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
>
> 4. JE. VICENTE CORREA DIAZ
> Gender: Male Christening: 07 APR 1834 Atolinga,
> Zacatecas, Mexico
>
> 5. MA. JUANA LADISLAO CORREA DIAZ
> Gender: Female Christening: 29 JUN

Thank you

Comment

I got the film from this last marriage of Juan Correa and Maria de los Relles Garcia and they list her father as Diaz and her mother Garcia. Juan's father was Phelipe Correa son of Balthazar Correa

Correas de Atolinga

Comment

Juan Carlos:

I don't know if you have yet looked in the IGI on familysearch.org but they have all of the Atolinga and most Tlaltenango films indexed there and there are some entries that look to be your ancestors:

JUAN CORREA
Marriages:
Spouse: MARIA DE LOS RELLES GARCIA
Marriage: 02 MAR 1829 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico

FRANCO. CORREA DIAZ
Christening: 29 DEC 1837 Atolinga, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: JUAN CORREA
Mother: MA. DE LOS REYES DIAZ

MICAELA CORREA DIAS
Christening: 12 MAY 1830 Atolinga, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: JUAN CORREA
Mother: M. DE LOS REYES DIAS

JOSE GUADALUPE CORREA DIAS
Christening: 19 DEC 1839 Atolinga, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: JUAN CORREA
Mother: MA. DE LOS REYES DIAS

JUAN JOSEF. ANASTACIO CORREA GONZALES
Christening: 19 AUG 1804 Atolinga, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: RAFAEL CORREA
Mother: MARIA ROSALIA GONZALES

You

Correas de Atolinga

Comment

Thank you very much for this help. I am sending
you a genealogy tree that my granfather on my mom's
side built back in the 1960. It looks like there might
not be that accurate. It is a start.

Carlos

--- arturoramos wrote:

>
> Juan Carlos:
>
> I don't know if you have yet looked in the IGI on
> familysearch.org but they have all of the Atolinga
> and most Tlaltenango films indexed there and there
> are some entries that look to be your ancestors:
>
> JUAN CORREA
> Marriages:
> Spouse: MARIA DE LOS RELLES GARCIA
> Marriage: 02 MAR 1829 Tlaltenango De Sanchez
> Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
>
> FRANCO. CORREA DIAZ
> Christening: 29 DEC 1837 Atolinga, Zacatecas,
> Mexico
> Parents:
> Father: JUAN CORREA
> Mother: MA. DE LOS REYES DIAZ
>
> MICAELA CORREA DIAS
> Christening: 12 MAY 1830 Atolinga, Zacatecas,
> Mexico
> Parents:
> Father: JUAN CORREA
> Mother: M. DE LOS REYES DIAS
>
> JOSE GUADALUPE CORREA DIAS
> Christening:

Is it OK to ever consider crossed out information as legit?

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A while ago, I found out that my ggg-father Francisco Bonal is listed as "hijo de padres no conocidos"(parents unknown) in both his marriage certificate and matrimonial information.

Comments

Is it OK to ever consider

Comment

Hi Steve,

I'd like to give an opinion based on how I've tried to compile my tree. I have come to some opinions of who and what should be on my tree by godparents and assuming things from the records I read. Ultimately, I decided not to build my tree on conjectures, because I want it to out live me, and I would like to pass something along that is as accurate as I can possibly make it. It's a question, I think, you have to ask yourself. How accurate do you want your tree to be?

I have seen what you have described with your 3X gr grandfather in the records I'm looking through for Tepetongo in Zacatecas. Not that unusual, but often the children were left at the doorsteps of the people who they've taken their surnames from. It may be because the birth mother decided to leave her child at the real father's door step or perhaps the birth mother knew this family was well off enough to take care of the child, can't say for sure. In Tepetongo, their was a Gertrudis del Muro, who had a

Book on research?

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I've been reading some of the emails/postings regarding a book that has information on family names (research). What book is/are they referring to?

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Book on research?

Comment

Hi Ann,

There are several books that have some family trees in them. I currently have one on loan from the library "Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales" this written by Jose Luiz Vazques y Rodrigues de Frias it contains a history of the families of Nochistlan. I own a booked named "Archivos parroquiales de Aguascalientes, Siglo SVII. It also has a number of parrish records. APdeAg (short for the title) is loaded with records but I haven't had a chance to read the book. Since it doesn't have an name index it is much more difficult to find the names as I would have to go page by page to find them. I'm not sure what books you are referring to. I you would like a name looked up in Genealogia de Nochistlan......I would be glad to look it up.

Juanita

Book on research?

Comment

Hi Juanita, If you would please...look up the name of Jose Manuel Gutierrez
(1764) and see if you find anything on him. In your book on Aguascalientes,
please see if you find the birth records and dates of my father-in-law, Lino
Gutierrez, b.23 Sept 1900 but I don't know where. His parents Pedro Gutierrez
and Anastacia de Anda. Pedro Gutierrez was from Coral de Piedra, Jalisco. I
looked in Arandas, Jalostitlan where they thought he was born...I think his
family was guessing. I will appreciate any help you can give me in finding more
info/clues to my ancestors. Thank you.

Ann M. Gutierrez

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From: "juanitahenniger@msn.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tue, November 27, 2012 6:39:00 PM
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Hi Ann,

There are several books that have some family trees in them. I currently have
one on loan from the library "Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva
Galicia en el

Book on research?

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Ann,

I looked for the names and none of the names were mentioned in either of the two books in my possesion.

Juanita

Book on research?

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Thank you for looking Juanita, I appreciate your effort.

Ann M. Gutierrez

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To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wed, November 28, 2012 9:33:47 PM
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Ann,

I looked for the names and none of the names were mentioned in either of the
two books in my possesion.

Juanita

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I like Norberto Menchaca did NOT want invitations to join sent out to everyone in our address books. I don't know abt Victor but I'd guess he might be in the same position we are, angry and humbled

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Hi General,

I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile.

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If you are interested in the following book just email me your phone number,

La Comunidad Israelita de Guadalajara: una historia tapatia by Cristina Gutierrez Zuniga. 1995, soft cover, 142 pages. $24.00

Thank you for you support of the Hispanic Heritage Project,
Carlos Yturralde

FW: Book - Jews in Mexico

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I was curious about the topic of this book about the Israeli Community in Guadalajara, and I found this interesting article online, Part 2 of 3:

> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:51:25 -0500
> From: cyturralde@cox.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Book
>
> If you are interested in the following book just email me your phone number,
>
> La Comunidad Israelita de Guadalajara: una historia tapatia by Cristina Gutierrez Zuniga. 1995, soft cover, 142 pages. $24.00
>
> Thank you for you support of the Hispanic Heritage Project,
> Carlos Yturralde

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Saludos,

If you are interested we have: La Oligarquia de Guadalajara by Jaime Olveda. 1991, soft cover, 457 pages. $26.00;
just email us your phone number and we can make arrangements for payment and delivery. Remember your purchase helps support the Hispanic Heritage Project.

Carlos Yturralde

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Hi Carlos,
Im interested in this book, please reserve it for me,
Thanks,
Daniel

> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:13:20 -0400
> From: cyturralde@cox.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Book
>
> Saludos,
>
> If you are interested we have: La Oligarquia de Guadalajara by Jaime Olveda. 1991, soft cover, 457 pages. $26.00;
> just email us your phone number and we can make arrangements for payment and delivery. Remember your purchase helps support the Hispanic Heritage Project.
>
> Carlos Yturralde
>
>
>

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Hi Daniel,

It is reserved. If you can give me your phone number and when I can call you, we can arrange for payment and I can get your address for shipment.

Carlos

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> Hi Carlos,
> Im interested in this book, please reserve it for me,
> Thanks,
> Daniel
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:13:20 -0400
> > From: cyturralde@cox.net
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Book
> >
> > Saludos,
> >
> > If you are interested we have: La Oligarquia de Guadalajara by Jaime Olveda. 1991, soft cover, 457 pages. $26.00;
> > just email us your phone number and we can make arrangements for payment and delivery. Remember your purchase helps support the Hispanic Heritage Project.
> >
> > Carlos Yturralde
> >
> >
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Carlos and group,

I would like this type of communication to stop on the Nuestros Ranchos
group. This communication could have easily been conducted via private
email. In the future if you or if anyone else would like to buy or sell
anything on the group please run it by one of the moderators via
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org In most cases it should be approved if a
direct link can be made to a subject under discussion. Email us with the
Subject Line and how you feel it connects to the discussion and we'll
take it under consideration.

Quisiera que este tipo de comunicación parara en el grupo Nuestros
Ranchos. Esta comunicación se habría podido conducir fácilmente vía
email privado. En el futuro si usted o si cualquier persona quisiera
comprar o vender cualquier cosa en el grupo por favor de contactar
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org En la mayoría de los casos debe ser
aprobado si un enlace directo se puede hacer a un tema bajo discusión.
Mande su email con la linea de

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Danny/ Joseph,

Have y ou by chance know of a book titled:

"Diccionario Autobiografico de Conquistadores y Primeros Pobladores de Nueva España"

It was first published in Madrid, in 1923, by D. Francisco A. de Icaza.

Book

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The title is not exactly the same but close enough to make me think it is the same book. Try looking on WorldCat for this book(s):

Conquistadores y pobladores de Nueva España; diccionario autobiográfico sacado de los textos originales,
Author: Icaza, Francisco A. de, 1863-1925.
Publication: Madrid [Impr. de "El Adelantado de Segovia"] 1923
Document: Spanish : Book

2. Book Diccionario autobiográfico de conquistadores y pobladores de Nueva Espanã. /
Author: Icaza, Francisco A. de, 1863-1925.
Publication: Guadalajara : México, Levy, 1969

3. Book Conquistadores y pobladores de Nueva España; diccionario autobiográfico sacado de los textos originales. Madrid [Impr. de "El Adelanatado de Segovia"] 1923.
Author: Icaza, Francisco A. de, 1863-1925.
Publication: Guadalajara, Jal., E. Aviña Levy, 1969

4. Book Diccionario autobiográfico de conquistadores y pobladores de Nueva Espana : sacado de los textos originales /
Author: Icaza, Francisco A. de, 1863-1925.
Publication: Mexico : E.A

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Thank you Joseph...

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Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 4:44:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Book

The title is not exactly the same but close enough to make me think it is the same book. Try looking on WorldCat for this book(s):

2. Book Diccionario autobiográfico de conquistadores y pobladores de Nueva Espanã. /
Author: Icaza, Francisco A. de, 1863-1925.
Publication: Guadalajara : México, Levy, 1969

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Amen!
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-----Original Message-----
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:46:46
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I like Norberto Menchaca did NOT want invitations to join sent out to everyone in our address books. I don't know abt Victor but I'd guess he might be in the same position we are, angry and humbled because we did not know this would happen. Please know this was never our intention..

Linda in Boulder City now...

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Check out my photos on Facebook
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org, "Victor Renteria"
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 9:44 AM

Hi Victor:

When you signed up with Facebook did you take the time to read the fine print and all of the "Service agreement"? If you did not, I suggest you go back and read it. They get rights to ownership of

arbol pendiente fechas

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Hello.-

My family is from Zacatecas, maybe you can find something from them;

Father family

Antonio Roman Sanchez Castellanos (Jerez, Zac.

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Sanchez Castellanos

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Sanchez-Castellanos

Juan Sánchez-Castellanos (≈1603-≈1649) vecino de Jerez viudo (Casó con Thomasina de Haro (Saucedo)) 27/abril/1634 en Tlaltenango
----Manuel Sánchez-Castellanos de Haro (30/agosto/1634, murio antes de 1700 en Fresnillo) (Casó con Josepha de Rodas (1640-?) en Tlaltenango 5 de Oct/1658
------Rodrigo Sánchez-Castellanos de Rodas (22/Feb/1662- Before 1703) (Casó con Juana de Luna de Haro( ab 1664-?)(Juana López de Luna) Boda 1 de junio de 1684 pag 152 bodas Tlaltenango ) .
--------Phelipe Manuel Sánchez-Castellanos de Luna (≈1686-ab1757) y Josepha de los Santos de Sandobal Ponce(≈1711-?) Dispensa mayo de 1732.Taltenango
----------Joseph Manuel Sánchez-Castellanos de Sandoval (1736) Tlaltenango y Maria Bernarda Nicolasa de Herrera Boda 21 de febrero de 1759 Tlaltenango
----------Julian Sánchez Castellanos de Herrera y Maria Rafaela Suarez del Real Valenzuela Boda 23/Abril/1788 Colotlan Dato arbol fam Campos.
------------Jose Atanasio de Jesus Sanchez Castellanos

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Carlos:
Rosalinda:
En este link esta una parte del arbol de los Sanches Castellanos:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/valdesla

Luis Valdes

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What would you like to know? I am related to many of the Sanchez Castellanos families and I descend from the Suarez del Real family. I have Antonio Roman in my tree.

Rosalinda

arbol pendiente fechas

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Hi Rosalind, Thank you so much for your offer. Unfortunately, I am a descendant of Valdez, Berumen,Carlos and de la Torre, on my maternal grandfather side, which is my main line of research at this time. They all are from the Jerez, Tepetongo area in Zacatecas as far back as I've gone so far, which is the mid to late 1700's.

Thanks again for your help , good luck with your research.

Barbara
On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:34 PM, rruizgenealogy@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> What would you like to know? I am related to many of the Sanchez Castellanos families and I descend from the Suarez del Real family. I have Antonio Roman in my tree.
>
> Rosalinda

arbol pendiente fechas

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Barbara is you tree on Nuestrosranchos? I have all these names in my files on Rootsweb.com and just wondered if they are any of your lines. My file is called Mexico and it is a free site. My paternal line is from the district of Jerez.
Linda Castanon-Long

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From: Barbara Andrews
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] arbol pendiente fechas

Thanks again for your help , good luck with your research.

Barbara
On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:34 PM, rruizgenealogy@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> What would you like to know? I am related to many of the Sanchez Castellanos

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Hi Erlinda,

I only have a tree on Ancestry right now. I'm in the process of trying to figure out how to put my Valdes branch on rootsweb.com. As soon as I can figure it out I'd like to do that. Many, many hours of research that I know may help someone else.

Thank you for the link to your Rootsweb link.

On Nov 28, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

> Barbara is you tree on Nuestrosranchos? I have all these names in my files on Rootsweb.com and just wondered if they are any of your lines. My file is called Mexico and it is a free site. My paternal line is from the district of Jerez.
> Linda Castanon-Long
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Barbara Andrews
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] arbol pendiente fechas
>
> Hi Rosalind, Thank you so much for your offer. Unfortunately, I am a descendant of Valdez, Berumen,Carlos and de la Torre, on my maternal grandfather

NARANJO, COVARRUBIAS, FRANCO

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My husband's ancestors, surnames Naranjo, Covarrubias, Franco were from San Gabriel, Jal. Sometime between 1914 & 1930 they moved to La Cienega/El Limon, Jal.

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Naranjo, Covarrubias, Franco

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Several of us have ancestors with these names and they were into the area of Tecolotlan, Ayutla, Autlan, and Ejutla and many other area since the early 1600's.

What may have happened is that they moved to San Gabriel from these other areas and were returning to be near family. Historically those dates coincide with the Post-Revolution and then the Guerra de Cristeros in the 1930's. Feel free to make contact for any help.
Deedra Corona

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Jose Manuel Gutierrez: b. 1763, Arandas, Jalisco or in Jalostitlan,

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There are a lot of baptisms that are missing from the records and therefore
some will never be found. I have some ancestors for whom the baptisms are
missing. The baptism of Jose Manuel Gutierrez de Mendoza y Santos Bustos
can't be found and it is the reason he isn't mentioned in Retoños de España
Tomo V Volumen I capitulo Gutiérrez de Mendoza página 87. The father of
Jose Manuel, Juan José Gutiérrez de Mendoza Hurtado de Mendoza, was born in
Lagos de Moreno. The mother of Jose Manuel, María de San Juan Santos Bustos
y Hernández Gamiño, was baptized in Ayo El Chico on 24 Mar 1738, where she
was married on 20 Feb 1754. The wife of Jose Manuel was María Magdalena
Martín del Campo y Jiménez de Castro the daughter of Juan Cayetano de la
Santísima Trinidad Martín del Campo and María de la Asunción Jiménez de
Castro y Galvan de Rojas. Camacho is not one of her surnames. Camacho
Riquelme is the maternal surname of the great-grandfather of Jose Manuel.

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Jose Manuel Gutierrez: b. 1763, Arandas, Jalisco or in Jalostitl

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Good morning, Armando. Thank you so much for all the information you have given
me. I truly appreciate it---it was more than I expected and it is a big help in
filling out missing data. I hope you have a great day. Again, Thank you
for your help.

Ann M. Gutierrez

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Sent: Mon, November 26, 2012 10:06:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Manuel Gutierrez: b. 1763, Arandas, Jalisco
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Pazuulo Definition

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Yes, I was reviewing burial records, so you are right that it must mean infant. I've seen the word spelled a couple of different ways.

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Pazuulo Definition

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The only correct way to spell it is parvula/parvulo. The Real Academia
Española is the authority on the Spanish language.
http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=parbulo. The only alternate but incorrect
spelling is parbulo/parbula.

Armando

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:30 PM, alice wissing wrote:

> Yes, I was reviewing burial records, so you are right that it must mean
> infant. I've seen the word spelled a couple of different ways. The "z"
> might be an "r" and it might say "Paruula." I'm sure the spelling varies
> depending on the region and the priest's origin. Gracias - it seems there
> is nothing you people at Ranchos can't figure out!

The word is párvulo(a).

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The word is párvulo(a).

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