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Help trying to find my grandmothers Ggrandparents

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Im trying to find my grandmas Ggrandparents and even further.

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Published by Salvador94 – Sat, 2012-01-14 22:23 | Permalink

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Hi Abram:

I'm 17 years old, I think that you're, like Daniel and me, one of the youngest of these group. I've been doing the genealogical research for about 3 years, but my interest in my family tree has been since many time before. I'm in high school, and I think Genealogy has affected a little bit my grades because sometimes instead of studying or doing my homework, I search for my ancestors haha but at the end I can manage to have everything done. I've been scheduling better my time, because besides school, I like going out a lot, doing sports and learning new things, so I need time for everything and Genealogy is one of my priorities. Is good to have people like our age investigating their ancestry, because now that we're young, many of us still have their grandparents, granduncles and sometimes greatgrandparents that with their oral information can provide us with valuable family facts.
I invite you to continue this great journey.

Enrique Agraz

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Hi Enrique & Abram:

I'm 20 years old and have been doing genealogy since age 12, following my grandfather, a very excellent and serious researcher and my mother. Make sure that genealogy does not affect your grades. I never really had a problem, because each thing in life has its time and place. Genealogy can quickly become an addiction. I recall various moments staying up to 3 am at least twice a day, especially during the summer time, because I was about to crack a case, which I did. I love genealogy, history, especially colonial Mexico, but only as hobbies. My major is Legal Studies (Pre Law), the legal system is more of a passion for me, and just like genealogy it requires dedication and lots of hard work. Just remember slow and steady wins the race. In other words, yes life may be hectic at times, but if your willing to put in 1 hour a day, you have done more than 1 hour a week. Usually it is managable. I can still maintain my job, school, dating, gym time, going out a lot and

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Yes, Enrique,

I have been concerned about very young people getting hooked by the genealogy bug and neglecting their studies. Still, I think it is a more worthwhile pastime than just playing video games or texting friend all day long where you don't learn that much.

What you need to do is schedule a special day or afternoon of the week to do the genealogy. Just as you have to schedule your time with sports, so you will have to have a special schedule for the genealogy. Your priorities should be first homework, then sports and other extra-curricular activities, then alternate between play time (going out) and genealogy.

Do you think you could have a retired grandparent do some of the tedious research of images? Things go faster if you involve other members of the family who have the time. My cousins and I have gotten farther along working together rather than alone.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

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Hello Emilie and Daniel:

Yes, I will plan better my time. Genealogy is amazing but it should not be an addiction, well at least not at my age. I can make an space in the day for family's research but after I've done my duties. I've invited some times my family members to participate with me but they don't like it to much. I have always hoped to have a girlfriend that likes Genealogy like me, it would be kind of another world to do research together. I remember that I encouraged a past girlfriend to investigate about her arabic ancestry, since her greatgrandfather was from Lebanon I think, but at the end it wasn't possible. Maybe some of you that are married, share this hobbie with your couple but personally most of the people I know find genealogy boring.

Daniel, is good to hear that you're studying to be a lawyer. Next scholar year i'm entering to university. I think i'm studying Medicine or Dentist since my father is a doctor and my mother a dentist, and I also like it.

Thanks

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It is good to know I am not the only young person on this board. As I do not post often, I do not really get to know the other members on here, aside from the few I see who post often.

I actually did study history, so this was already one of my interests. I find learning local history interesting when you know that some of your ancestors have been in the area for over a century.

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Add me to the list of the young on NR. I'm shocked to find so many of us around here! I only started really researching my ancestors a few years ago, having known I always wanted to. The best tip for the young researcher is to talk to grandparents and grand-aunts/uncles or anyone they can and take notes, and more notes! I remember even writing down a name my informant wasn't exactly sure how to pronounce fully because of lack of memory - but it ended up being a huge help in making a decision on which couple (two sets w/ same names) I should further research - I finally located certain 2nd great-grandparents on one branch I could never find before. It really is interesting to learn the history of the area your family is from... And to know, in my case, that ancestors have lived within 50 miles of where your own grandparents were born for at least 200 years. I have to aquire more skills to push into the earlier 1700s and onto the 1600s though. Time for genealogy is tricky with school

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Hi Everyone,

Sorry if I am not constantly viewing the threads as much, I am doing lots of traveling. I like many in the group am one of those, "young genealogist." I am currently 19 years old. I remember growing up I had always been around genealogy, history, politics etc. It has been a passion and continues to be. Seeing the formation of your lines extend beyone number and creating research reports and taking part in serious investigations. I remember growing up, my grandfather and my mother were always researching and slowly and surely they allowed me to participate as young as age 12. I quickly learned the tricks and shortcuts, if you will. It is nice to know that young people are interested in genealogy.

Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

Published by Armando – Sat, 2012-01-14 16:00 | Permalink

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I found the baptism date of a child of Felipe Garcia and Timotea Ulloa
meaning this is a sibling of Pablo Garcia. This should give you the parents
of Felipe Garcia and of Timotea Ulloa who would be the paternal
ggrandparents of your grandmother. Navigate film 226689 in a systematic
manner, as I have described in a previous post, looking for the baptism
date of 31 Jul 1898
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N8QG-N6T

In order to get the maternal ggrandparents of your grandmother you need a
birth, baptism or death record of your grandmother's mother or her maternal
grandparents or one of their siblings. Ask your grandmother if she knows
when her mother, Isabel Garcia, was born and when she died and when her
maternal grandparents, Dario Garcia and Victoriana Ponce, died and at what
age and where and if she knows any of those details about the siblings of
her maternal grandparents. Once you have as much of that info as possible
post it here to see if something can be found by someone

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Published by oldcar53 – Sat, 2012-01-14 00:45 | Permalink

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La Estancia still exists to this day in Nochistlan, It's my intention to visit "La Estancia the next time I go to Nochistlan.

Keep digging Abram and patiently go about doing your own research, this is how we all started. Many people on this site have given you lots of pointers but it's very important that by way of deducing dates on the records you find, you start to guesstimate which rolls of film you need to look at next. I'll give you an example.

* If the marriage document says the groom is soltero/single de 23 años de edad/23 years of age - when he was married and the year of the marriage is 1925, he could have been born sometime around 1900 +/- 5 years. That means you need to go to Zacatecas/Nochistlan/Bautismos/1895 thru 1905 and look in the index for the books pertaining to those years, that is if there is an index, some volumes don't have an index. If no index, then you have to look page by page and record by record. Believe it or not, you begin to read and understand the

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Hi Abram,

I agree with Alicia 100%, yes it is nice for others to help you, but it's more worthwhile if you study your lines and be the investigator. My intimidation is starting a new area, that I am not comfortable with, this was with Zamora, my father's line. They settled there from 1611 up until 1787 and had no idea what I was getting my self into. I am very glad I did, because now I have a solid foundation of the families in the Obispado de Michoacan, though I can further my research by studying a bit more, you have to start of somewhere. I learned who owned what, who married who, who was who in Zamora, people's occupation, the many Dons and Donas in and out. Learn the handwriting, the terminology, the people, who owned what, the Spanish families who often intermarried, thus creating a need for dispensas, a document that has helped your line, learn the area well and become the expert in an area, from their branch off as your ancestors move. My journey has taken me to study most of

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Abram Flores
I know what you mean like i said im a student so i really don't have time i have homework to do so there fore i ask alot of question on this little project of geneaology that i have going on, and that is the reason why i ask for help.And again thanks for everyone who has been helping i appreciate it alot.But after all i think it's a fun thing to do.

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Okay, this makes sense. I know lots of people, especially students, I study at Brigham Young University, who started out as "project" until the genealogy bug bit them. Now it is an addiction; I was one of them. I am fourth generation researcher, I have documents relating to the first known researcher in my family who was my ancestor Capt. Joseph de Camino Trasgallo, he traveled to Spain in the late 1700s to find baptismal, marriage records of his parents, grandparents and great-grandparents to prove his nobleza and revalidate a document we call Ejecutoria de Nobleza in 1794, a document of 142 pages that my family conserves till this day. Eventually, the genealogy bug came onto my grandfather, mother and now myself. Together we have done wonders in this world of research. Though they retired from serious research, I still keep up to date.

Daniel

Published by gpf13 – Fri, 2012-01-13 23:49 | Permalink

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Abram

The information from your grandmother is quite valuable, but you need to establish some dates, and hopefully confirm the places. "La Estancia" is a somewhat common name, and in principle, this could be in a number of towns.

A basic principle of genealogy research is to work from what you know, and go back.

Where I suggest you start is back with your grandfather, Candelario Armas, since you have the most concrete information on him at the moment, and use this as the key to get information on your grandmother. From what we have seen so far, from the 1930 Census for La Jabonera, he was born in 1930. So, we need to try to find either his baptism or civil birth record. Both of these are on line.

[Something to keep in mind is that this was right after the Cristero War, which had a major impact on the Church, and the sacraments of baptism and marriage. This could be a complication. But don't be too concerned about this at the moment.]

From the Nochistlan baptismal records, look for

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Abram

Several of Nochistlan volumes of baptismal records have indexes, so when you find the person you need in the index, it will give you either a page or folio number. You don't need to look at every page for these records. If it says "Margarita 143" got to page 143 (or front side of folio 143); if it says "Margarita 143v," that means you go to the back side of folio 143.

When page numbers are used, every page (front and back) has a number. When folio numbers are used, the numbers are only on the front, or generally upper right hand corner of the front.

This should make it easy to find the record.

When you get to the point that you are using the Family Search searching feature, it will give you the date of record; you just look for the date. The records are in chronological order; there may be an ocassional record out of order, for these, just look in the preceding or following pages around the date of interest.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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Honestly, there is no other way, especially when few extractions are available. I'm a rather young college student, but I can say if you "came from my generation" of researchers, you would have to turn page by page, roll by roll and the process took sometime, steady and surely results came in. I think it's such a blessing that most if not all films that pertain to my areas of research are online now. I would love to see more Spain films, but for Mexico, it has kept me busy. So much information out there just to be found. Just look at the dispensa that was provided you, which took you to 1825 or so. Most people would love to have such a document in their research. I can tell you be prepared for your lines to go into Teocaltiche, Aguascalientes and other parts of Zacatecas, we are talking about Nochistlan after all.

Daniel

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Abram----There is no faster way. By searching page by page when you don't find someone in the index you often run into a record that gives you further leads, such as someone with the same parents. At least you can sit at home and search on the internet's Family Search where many, many records from Mexico now appear. When I first started over 12 years ago, we had to go to our local Family History Center at one of the Mormon churches and order the microfilms from their main archives in Salt Lake City (it used to cost six dollars per film for postage only), then wait more than two weeks or a month for the film to arrive, then go back to the center when the film arrived, load it onto microfilm readers, and turn the crank tediously looking at each image.

Now with the microfilm images online, it is easier and cheaper for the churches and the archives and the patrons. Also, the Ancestry.com databases (censuses, military records, border crossing records, etc) are very helpful. However

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Surnames question - Ruis de Esparza from Teocaltiche, Jalisco

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Hi,

I'm hoping to figure out the last name of Jose Antonio Claudio Ruis de Esparza and of Maria Gonzales Bermejo, both found here:

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Published by Armando – Thu, 2010-12-02 19:45 | Permalink

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Hello Arturo,

I am sure there are people on here that are familiar with the grandparents
and hopefully they can provide more insight on them. What I can tell you is
that Ruiz de Esparza is a compounded surname (apellido compuesto) that
originated in Pamplona, Navarra. The first in México was Lope Ruíz de
Esparza y Eguinoa who married Francisca Gabay, a descendant of Moctezuma.
Her mother was Petronila Moctezuma and her grandmother was Leonor Moctezuma.
The exact relationship with Moctezuma hasn't been proven and there are two
theories on the subject. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/16324 Many
of us, including myself, are descendants of Lope Ruíz de Esparza and
Francisca Gabay. As far as both the paternal and maternal grandmothers
surnames being the same, Gonzales Bermejo, it could be because they are
either cousins or sisters. There should be a dispensa for the marriage of
Jose Maria Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Maria Villanueva with more genealogical
information. They married 08

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Saludos Armando y Arturo:

Respondo sobre los Gonzalez-Bermejo, tambien soy desciendiente de esta familia varias veces.
Empezo con Juan de la Cruz Martin-Bermejo casado con Andrea Gonzalez de Besares, el de Aguascalientes
y ella Nochistlan ya por los principios del siglo XVII, en varios registros tambien se nota que utilizaron
el apellido DE LA CRUZ BERMEJO significando que su patriarch Juan de la Cruz Martin Bermejo, pues
DE LA CRUz podia ser apellido en su caso.

La razon por lo cual fue componido el apellido era probable que los dichos truvieron un hijo llamado
Francisco y su abuelo materno era Francisco Gonzalez y MAgdalena de Besares naturales de Segovia
en los Reinos de Castilla. el nieto Francisco compuso los apellidos a Francisco Gonzalez-Bermejo quien
caso Ana de Aguayo, natural de Nochistlan casados 26 de marzo de 1666 en dicho lugar. De aqui
procede la familia Gonzalez-Bermejo.

Ahora hay otras lineas de la familia que componieron otros nombres Perez Bermejo, de la Cruz

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Juan Manuel de Villanueva caso Isabel Gonzalez-Bermejo el 25 de abril de 1759
en Teocaltiche. Bautizaron por lo menos dos hijos Juana Maria 16 de julio de 1766
y Jose Eusevio el 15 de marzo de 1783 todos en Teocaltiche. Los tengo en mis archivos
pero aun no he estudiado esta linea. Le sugiero que ordene ese registro matrimonial.

Sobre tus Ruiz de Esparza unas de mis lineas Esparza proviene de Teocaltiche, podemos
ser parientes cercanos varios Bermejo de diferentes lineas llegaron a la misma vez
a Teocaltiche es imposible saber la posibilidad que cual de ellas sin estudiarlo profundamente.

Daniel Méndez y Camino

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Según Familysearch el matrimonio de Juan Manuel de Villanueva con Isabel Gonzalez-Bermejo en el 25 de abril de 1759 fue en Ayo el Chico.

Groom's Name: Juan Manuel Villanueba
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Ysabel Gonsales
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 25 Apr 1759
Marriage Place: San Agustin,Ayo El Chico,Jalisco,Mexico
Groom's Father's Name: Nicolas De Villanueba
Groom's Mother's Name: Juana Robledo
Bride's Father's Name: Luciano Gonsales
Bride's Mother's Name: Maria Leocadia De Chaves
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60447-7
System Origin: Mexico-ODM
Source Film Number: 280787
Reference Number:
Collection: Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…

Armando

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Matrimonio de Marcelino Luciano Gonzales con Maria Leocadia De Chaves Fragozo. Posiblemente fueron los padres de Ysabel Gonzales Bermejo.

Groom's Name: Marcelino Luciano Gonzales
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Maria Leocadia De Chaves Fragozo
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 04 Feb 1742
Marriage Place: Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores,Teocaltiche,Jalisco,Mexico
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60248-7
System Origin: Mexico-ODM
Source Film Number: 639755
Reference Number:
Collection: Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=f…

Armando

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Saludos Armando y Arturo:

Parece que si son los mismos, todavia sugiero ordenar ese registro y verlo para verificarlo.
Tendo una dispensa que menciona a Marcelino Luziano de Villanueva y Maria Leocadia
de Chavez Fragoso en dicha dispensa menciona que es hija de Alejandro de Chavez Fragoso
y Paula de Rivas y que Maria Leocadia era natural de San Felipe (Gto.) en el Obispado de Michoacan.
Me recuerdo de esto pero no se cual dispensa necesito revisarlo de nuevo, permite algunos dias
para buscarlo.

Estos ultimos son mis antepasados Jose Antonio de Chavez Fragoso casado con
Maria de los Dolores de Colunga Cortes, natural de Villa de Reyes (SLP.). La razon porque Maria
Leocadia era mencionada es que era testiga ya que una de sus hermanas Maria Gertrudis de
Chavez Fragoso caso a dos Gonzalez-Bermejo, los dos eran primos primer nupcias con
Juan Manuel Gonzalez Bermejo hijo de Juan Gonzalez de Bermejo y Gertrudis Lopez de Nava
y segunda nupcias con dispensa por ser primo de su esposo

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Armando y Daniel,
Gracias por toda la informacion. Ay mucho que he emprendido sobre los Ruis de Esparzas y Gonzalez-Bermejo. Daniel, primo, has hecho la coneccion entre Franciso Gonzalez-Bermejo/Ana de Aguayo y Isabel Gonzalez-Bermejo?

Ademas, encontre Francisco Gonzalez-Bermejo con appellido "de La Cruz Bermejo" cuando se caso con Ana de Aguayo:
https://beta.familysearch.org/s/recordDetails/show?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fpil…

Ademas, busco la boda de J. Felix Ventura y Maria Refugio Palacio Esparza. Se que tuvioren hijos en Teocaltiche y Nochistlan por los 1850 y 1860s. Y que los padres de Refugio se casaron en Febrero 9, 1839 en Nochistlan. Tambien busco el naciemento de los Felix y Refugio. A lo menos los hijos Miguel y Juana de Felix y Refugio se casaron en Jalpa en los 1870s con gente de Jalpa (yo creo) y fueron los fundadores de los troncos de me familia (uno de mi papa, y el otro de mi

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Estimado primo Arturo,

Todavia estoy siguiendo la linea de Isabel Gonzalez Bermejo pienso que puedo conectarlo pero tomara mucho estudio.
Aver que encuentro.

Acerca de tus Ventura y Palacios-Esparza encontre lo siguiente los partidos bautismales conste que los abuelos
maternos deberian ser Andres Palacios e Isabel Esparza.

Name: Balentina Ventura Palacio
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 19 Feb 1860
Baptism/Christening Place: NUESTRA SENORA DE LOS DOLORES,TEOCALTICHE,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name: Felix Ventura
Mother's Name: Refugio Palacio
Paternal Grandfather's Name:
Paternal Grandmother's Name:
Maternal Grandfather's Name: Andres
Maternal Grandmother's name: Ysabel Esparza
Source Film Number: 638757

Name: Mauricia Bentura Palacio
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 28 Sep 1856
Baptism/Christening Place: NUESTRA SENORA DE LOS DOLORES,TEOCALTICHE,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name: Felix Bentura
Mother's Name: Refugio Palacio
Paternal Grandfather's Name:
Paternal

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Mendeztorrez,

Hello there,
So im working on my Gonzalez de Bermejo line and i came across this thread so from my interpretation my ancestor Francisco Gonzalez Bermejo parents are Juan De La Cruz Bermejo and Andrea Gonzalez De Besares, and Juan De La Cruz Bermejo's parents are Alonso Martin-Bermejo and Isabel Lopez Gardea.My spanish isn't so great so i hope this is right.

Cristoval Delgadillo Francisca Gil Sotomayor??

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Iv'e been trying to look for this individuals marriage record but really can't find it all i can find is the baptism of their kids and it's and confusing how some baptisms record says that the son or

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sun, 2012-02-19 01:45 | Permalink

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Some of my sotomayor ancestors would use Soto. Or. The compound name Martinez de Sotomayor or Martin de Sotomayor. Most used Martin de Sotomayor. They were from Tepa. Jalos Teocaltiche and aguas.
R A Ricci
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Iv'e been trying to look for this individuals marriage record but really can't find it all i can find is the baptism of their kids and it's and confusing how some baptisms record says that the son or daughter is born in some other place like this one

Barbara Delgadillo Gil
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 15 Nov 1711
baptism/christening place (((Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
race: White
father's name: Cristobal Delgadillo
father's birthplace:

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Published by gpf13 – Sun, 2012-02-19 01:27 | Permalink

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Sotomayor is not an unusual name.

Sonia Sotomayor, as an example, is an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, having been appointed in 2009. In her case, she is of Puerto Rican descent, and not Mexican.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Lopez de Elizalde

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I have found the surname Lopez de Elizalde with a number of variations, but
Lopes seemed predominant; and the name Elizalde was more often spelled as
some variation of Lizarde.

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Published by abram101 – Fri, 2012-10-19 11:33 | Permalink

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drortiz,

Do you have any info on Nicolas Lopez De Lizarde who married Josepha De Carvajal they had about 6 children all from Nochistlan Zac?I just can't find their parents any help will be gladly appreciated.

Published by matusalem – Wed, 2010-03-17 09:56 | Permalink

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Aún no he condeguido alguna pista sobre los Elizalde de Zacatecas....que no hay ningun ELIZALDE en el foro????? hacia 1823 aparece en Aguascalientes: GREGORIO ELIZALDE casado con ANACLETA SALAS. Alguien tendrá alguna referencia? Gracias

Published by Esther_Jordan_Lopez – Wed, 2010-03-17 19:30 | Permalink

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Amanda?
Do they have to be from Zacatecas?  I foundJose Gregorio Elisalde Banuelos, ch.
14 May 1825, San Pedro, Guadalcazar, San Luis Potosi [C607515 (1821-1826) film
#0709013]married to Anacleta Salas(b.1827) about 1848.  I have a bunch of
information for this couple (his parents, children, etc,).  If you want this
info. let me know and I will email to you.

-Esther Jordan Lopez
 
 

On March 17, 2010 at 4:56 PM amandamarycela@yahoo.com wrote:

>  Aún no he condeguido alguna pista sobre los Elizalde de Zacatecas....que no
>hay ningun ELIZALDE en el foro????? hacia 1823 aparece en Aguascalientes:
>GREGORIO ELIZALDE casado con ANACLETA SALAS. Alguien tendrá alguna referencia? 
>Gracias

Published by matusalem – Fri, 2010-03-19 11:22 | Permalink

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Efectivamente, ellos son mis ancestros....y si quisiera me enviaras esa información.No tengo de donde sacarla, pues no vivo en Zacatecas.Muchas gracias de antemano. Una pregunta.....tienes conexion con ellos????

Saludos Amanda.

Published by matusalem – Sat, 2010-02-13 09:58 | Permalink

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Hola....leí que sabes algo de los Elizalde....me podrías dar la información??? mi bisabuela era Elizalde de Aguascalientes, pero venian de Zacatecas.

Katy Brecht

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I want to publicly thank my cousin Katy Brecht for all her incredible research in our family genealogy and helping me maintain accurate records!

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Published by October Fly (not verified) – Wed, 2012-10-17 15:15 | Permalink

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Joseph,

I recently started communicating with your cousin, and she has been very helpful. I believe I have made a very important connection/breakthrough in my family tree, with her help. In turn, I look forward to sharing my discovery with her. I would also like to take the opportunity, to thank her.

baptismal records rincon de romos 1762 - 1769

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Hello

Hoping someone can help me.

I can't find the bapt records for Rincon de Romos between 1762 - 1769.

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Published by Denise_Hernand… – Wed, 2012-10-17 04:35 | Permalink

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Oops! I asked for help with birth records back on 18 july of this year, and Bill Figueroa kindly provided the links to the images. (Thanks again, Bill!)

They were in the records for Sagrario, including la Hacienda de Santiago.

Denise

found misplaced baptismal info/ encontre informacion de bautizo fuera de lugar

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Hello everyone,

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Published by Denise_Hernand… – Wed, 2012-10-17 04:07 | Permalink

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Thanks Mazochoa!

Although these are not the records I am looking for, its the kind of mixup that can really set a stopper to someone's research...who the heck would think to look there? So thanks for taking the time to post it - someone out there will surely be grateful!

I have found a gap in baptismal records in Aguascalientes today (7 years) which I am hoping someone can help me out with (I just posted on it a little while ago).

Regards
Denise Fastrup

Having such a hard time finding my 3great grandfather

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Sebastian Munoz the only info i have from him he was from La Jabonera Nochistlan Zacatecas he married Sostenes Aguirre.
He was born approx 1875

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LOZANO

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Hello Everyone,

I have become confused in a part of my research. I tried looking up where I could email

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Published by resco16 – Mon, 2012-10-15 19:50 | Permalink

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Hi Sofia. The name Lozano is coming up now in my search and this is a new name my grandparents never told me about. I was looking for my great great grandfather, Gavino Escobedo, and found a church record which listed him as Gavino Lozano with parents of "Estevan y Francisca Lozano." I also found another which showed Esteban Escobedo y Francisca Lina (or Lira) and was curious if you had a Francisca, Vidal, or possibly Teodoro Lozano. My family comes from all over but mostly it seems like Zacatecas. Thank you for your time.

Robert

Published by Sofia – Tue, 2012-10-16 16:06 | Permalink

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Hi Robert
I looked in the book Rotoños de España, but did not find anything for the names you said.
I do have a Francisca Lozano Medina but she is married to Pedro Muñoz Angel and she was from San Juan de los Lagos.
Sorry.

Sofia

Alvarez-Tostado y Munoz de Nava (Att :Adrian Marquez)

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Hola , Tengo un Lorenzo Alvarez-Tostado y Francisca Rita Munoz de Nava que son mis ante pasados. Lo que quiero saber quien son los padres .

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Published by verodamian – Tue, 2012-10-16 14:35 | Permalink

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Que tal Ronnie,
Desgraciadamente no tengo mayores datos, yo estoy realizando la investigacion genealogica de Santa Anita, Jalisco y tengo a tus ancestros y no se si te ayude, pero aquí dicen que vienen de Teocaltiche.
Su hijo Atenogenes fué subdelegado y comandante de Tlajomulco, pero eso seguramente ya lo sabes. En fin, busca si no lo haz hecho en archivos de Teocaltiche, espero encuentres algo que te ayude.

Saludos y todo lo mejor!
Veronica Rodriguez

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Javier González López Portillo Espero y te sirva la siguiente Info.
Diego Alvarez Tostado y Rosa María Román Hernández son los padres de Joseph Lorenzo y Joseph Muñoz de Nava de Hermosillo y Michaela Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza lo son de Francisca Rita Muñoz de Nava
15 enero 1748 casó Joseph Lorenzo y Francisca Rita (San Juan de Los Lagos matrimonios 1722 -1770 san Juan imagen 297 CASO EN EL PAPALOTE)
Tengo por ahi un cruce con descendientes directos Jose Pablo Marquez de Anda casado con Severa Ramirez, Demetrio Marques Florentina Moran etc
Saludos

GEDCOM

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Hello again,,,can one of the administrators please create a gedcom so that i can upload the one in rootsweb ?

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Published by Pat_Silva_Corbera – Mon, 2012-10-15 21:15 | Permalink

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Arturo and Joseph,

Is the GEDCOM tree submitted by a NR member open to additions/changes by other members of NR without notifying the original GEDCOM submitter?

I have about 4 entries in my GEDCOM tree file that contain names that I don't even have in my PAF program.

These entries have a modified date of 15 Mar 2012.

Jose Patricio Salamanca Hernandez (12038)
Fernando Hernandez (12036)
Ma. Refugio Hernandez
There's one with no name but a number of (12040)

If this is the case, then I'd like to remove my GEDCOM file from NR...and submit a modified version in a pedigree chart format...

Thank you,
Pat Silva Corbera

Direct Maternal Ancestry and mtDNA Haplogroup H1

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Primos & Primas,
I have updated my CORRECT maternal ancestry after reviewing marriage records. In addition, I would be interested in collaborating with those who have mtDNA Haplogroup H1:

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Published by Pat_Silva_Corbera – Wed, 2012-10-10 12:15 | Permalink

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Both of you shared the common ancestry of Fulgencio Gonzalez de Rubalcaba y Luisa de Rodas.

I have this couple in my data file with a daughter Ines Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba who married Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo... Marriage date of 14 Apr 1654 Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco...

I have a couple of questions:

1.) Do either one of you have Ines/Ynes in your file as being a sibling of Beatriz Gonzalez de Rubalcaba y de Rodas and Juana Gonsales de Rubalcaba Rodas?

2.) What source/s do you have for Beatriz and Juana?

3.) I did find a reference online to Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Logos De Moreno, Jalisco...Film # 221404 in the Bautismos 1634-1665 for Ines y Miguel, but didn't locate their record dated 14 Apr 1654, though there are marriage records in with the bapt records. Would these marriage records for this time frame be listed under a different parish?

I have no additional information as to Ines y Miguel's offspring...Tino's link is through Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo son of Juan

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Pat,
Sorry I haven't responded sooner. I'm very stressed for time these days
and don't expect that to change in the near future. My source is
secondary, ie *Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia *by Mariano
Gonzalez-Leal. I have found it to be so rich a source of info for me that
I haven't had time to post all my ancestor's sibs, nor have I had much time
to use it to guide me to the primary sources, which I need to do. Ynes,
Beatriz and Juana are noted as sisters on pages 311-314 of Tomo IV, Vol.
2. In Tomo IV, Vol 1, pg 250 lists only two children for Miguel and
Ines--Lorenza Gutierrez de Rodas, md to Joseph Perez-Franco, and Miguel
Gutierrez de Hermosillo, d 1697, md in Lagos in 1684 to Emerenciana de
Reynoso y Renteria. I really do recommend the *Retonos* series. While I
have come across some omissions (very few, given its scope), it is a wealth
of information.
Raquel Ruiz

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Thank you Raquel for confirming that Ines is one of the family daughters.

Where did you purchase these Volumes? I checked the Internet but didn't see them listed for sale...

Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raquel Ruiz"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 2:42:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Direct Maternal Ancestry and mtDNA haplogroup H1

Pat,
Sorry I haven't responded sooner. I'm very stressed for time these days
and don't expect that to change in the near future. My source is
secondary, ie *Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia *by Mariano
Gonzalez-Leal. I have found it to be so rich a source of info for me that
I haven't had time to post all my ancestor's sibs, nor have I had much time
to use it to guide me to the primary sources, which I need to do. Ynes,
Beatriz and Juana are noted as sisters on pages 311-314 of Tomo IV, Vol.
2. In Tomo IV, Vol 1, pg 250 lists only two children for Miguel and
Ines--Lorenza

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Published by Armando – Sat, 2012-09-29 07:00 | Permalink

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Rosa, because of a dispensa recently indexed at
www.guadalajaradispensas.comI reread your post. Since I descend from
Juan Lopez de Nava & Ines Lopez
Muniz twice I was happy to see you had posted the mtDNA haplogroup of Ines
Lopez Muniz. Did you do any further testing or find any matches? Did you
have anyone do a Y-DNA test?

Saludos,
Armando

2011/6/3

> Primos & Primas,
> I have updated my CORRECT maternal ancestry after reviewing marriage
> records. In addition, I would be interested in collaborating with those who
> have mtDNA Haplogroup H1:
>
> Jalostotitlan, San Miguel El Alto, Cerro Blanco & Tepatitlán de Morelos,
> Jalisco, Mexico
>
> 1. Grandparents: Secundino Gutierrez & Maria de Jesus Gutierrez
> 2. Great-Grandparents: Juan Gutierrez & Rita Gonzalez
> 3. GGrandparents: Felipe Gonzalez & Juliana Gomez
> 4. GGrandparents: Versulo Gomez & Balvina de la Torre
> 5. GGrandparents: Rafael De La Torre & Maria de la Merced Gonzalez
> 6. GGrandparents: Miguel Gonzalez de Hermosillo &

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Primos Rosa y Armando,

I know all us with ancestors from Los Altos in Jalisco are related to each
other several times over, but I always find it enjoyable when a match is
identified. I also descend from Fulgencio Gonzalez de Rubalcaba & Luisa
Rodas by way of their daughter Beatriz Gonzalez de Rubalcaba y de Rodas:

1 Gpts Manuel Ruiz y Consuelo Veloz
2. GGpts Felipe Ruiz Rubalcaba y Apolonaria Lopez
3. 2GGpts Jose Francisco Ruiz y Maria Silvana Rubalcaba
4. 3GGpts Jose de la Trinidad Ruiz y Juana Neponcena Perez
5. 4GGpts Jose Ignacio Perez de la Mora y Maria Antonia Gonzalez de
Hermosillo
6. 5GGpts Nicolas Ysidro Perez y Maria Josefa de la Mora
7. 6GGpts Melchor Manuel Perez de Paredes y Juana Maria Martin del Campo
de Hermosillo
8. 7GGpts Agustin Perez de Paredes y Caltalina Gonzalez de Hermosillo
9. Melchor Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Francisca Renteria Mojica
10. Melchor Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Beatriz Gonzalez de Rubalcaba y de
Rodas
11. Fulgencio González de Rubalcaba y

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DNA Test

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I am curious if anyone has taken the DNA test to help with their genealogy search and what type of information it provided.

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Published by Armando – Fri, 2012-10-12 13:45 | Permalink

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I found a 109 marker match. The only way you are going to find out if there
is a match to your DNA is by getting a test yourself.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:06 PM, wrote:

> I am curious if anyone has taken the DNA test to help with their genealogy
> search and what type of information it provided. I have hit a brick wall
> that seems as big as the Wall of China and kicking around the idea of
> trying DNA. Any info. would help!

Published by romero89 – Thu, 2012-10-11 06:45 | Permalink

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My brother tested his YDNA for my genealogy research in 2005. My father was born in Tepatitlan and I've traced his family back to the early 1700's in Tepatitlan in the church records posted online at Familysearch.org. My father's YDNA Haplogroup is J2b1. I expect it will help confirm male members of his family. So far, I have not found any men with that Haplotype who trace their families back to Tepatitlan or have similar ancestry. Though I check with all the online databases I'm aware of, I have not found a match from anywhere -- yet. I believe that when more people test, I will find matches. Meanwhile, I continue with regular genealogy research. DNA can be used to confirm your paper research, but it will not do your research for you.

You can test your YDNA and to help confirm your paper research, which is the most basic test. You can also test with a FamilyFinder test and/or with a company like 23andMe and find out more about yourself. Both will help find matches. It's

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Published by mistyriver123 – Thu, 2012-10-11 07:00 | Permalink

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Linda.....what are the origins of  J2b1, and whom did you use for the testing.
Thank you.

________________________________
From: Linda
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org; resco16@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:40 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test

My brother tested his YDNA for my genealogy research in 2005.  My father was born in Tepatitlan and I've traced his family back to the early 1700's in Tepatitlan in the church records posted online at Familysearch.org.  My father's YDNA Haplogroup is J2b1.  I expect it will help confirm male members of his family.  So far, I have not found any men with that Haplotype who trace their families back to Tepatitlan or have similar ancestry.    Though I check with all the online databases I'm aware of, I have not found a match from anywhere -- yet.  I believe that when more people test, I will find matches.  Meanwhile, I continue with regular genealogy research.  DNA can be used to confirm your paper research

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Linda.....what are the origins of  J2b1, and whom did you use for the testing.
Thank you.

________________________________
From: Linda
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org; resco16@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:40 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test

My brother tested his YDNA for my genealogy research in 2005.  My father was born in Tepatitlan and I've traced his family back to the early 1700's in Tepatitlan in the church records posted online at Familysearch.org.  My father's YDNA Haplogroup is J2b1.  I expect it will help confirm male members of his family.  So far, I have not found any men with that Haplotype who trace their families back to Tepatitlan or have similar ancestry.    Though I check with all the online databases I'm aware of, I have not found a match from anywhere -- yet.  I believe that when more people test, I will find matches.  Meanwhile, I continue with regular genealogy research.  DNA can be used to confirm your paper research

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Published by meef98367 – Thu, 2012-10-11 13:00 | Permalink

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I had my husband test his DNA though FamilyDNA, and he is haplogroup T1. His ancestors were from Jalisco for many generations going back as far as I can trace them, to the late 1600s. T1 is very rare we were told--mesopotamian. We have not found a match to anyone except to one man in Texas. I have had no response from him. I guess no males with ancestors in Jalisco in this group don't have that haplogroup.

I guess my mtDNA is of no use to Mexico (or is it?). I am haplogroup C, Native American Pre-Colombian, and my female line is Pueblo Indian (Piro/Manso/Tewa) all from New Mexico.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> From: romero89@earthlink.net
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:40:21 -0500
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org; resco16@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test
>
> My brother tested his YDNA for my genealogy research in 2005. My father was born in Tepatitlan and I've traced his family back to the early 1700's in Tepatitlan in the church records posted

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Published by Edward_Serros – Thu, 2012-10-11 17:27 | Permalink

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My Felgueres Y-DNA ancestral line is T1, the old K2. The original Felgueres, Domingo Antonio Felgueres, came to Mezquitic, Jalisco as Lieutenant Governor of that area in 1790. Domingo Antonio was born in Villaviciosa, Asturias and baptized in the Iglesia San Salvador de Fuentes.

There is another Nuestros Ranchos member (Rodriguez, I believe) who is T1 also.

Edward Serros

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You can see the message at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21013

More specifically, I will re-post it again, see below.

DNA Test - Emilie
Submitted by Edward Serros on Thu, 2012-10-11 20:27.

My Felgueres Y-DNA ancestral line is T1, the old K2. The original Felgueres, Domingo Antonio Felgueres, came to Mezquitic, Jalisco as Lieutenant Governor of that area in 1790. Domingo Antonio was born in Villaviciosa, Asturias and baptized in the Iglesia San Salvador de Fuentes.

There is another Nuestros Ranchos member (Rodriguez, I believe) who is T1 also.

Edward Serros

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Hi Emilie,

I am also T1 and so are the Alcalá de Mendoza families from Los Altos, at
least. I've found and contacted many people that are from our same group
from all around the world, from Colombia, Panamá, Brazil, Australia, South
Africa, Turkey, Spain, Italy, and some more.

May I ask what your husband's last name is? If you want we can share our
results and compare them.

Thanks,

Rick

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Hello Rick,

Thanks for your response. My husband's surname is Garcia, which has led me to a brick wall.

The farthest back I have gotten on his line is his gggg-grandfather Joseph Cayetano Garcia (espanol) born May 211, 1738 in Santa Barbara, Aguascalientes, and his second wife Anacleta Calzada (yndia) born on July 12, 1772 in San Juan de Los Lagos. Their son Jose Maria Garcia (espanol), was born Dec 12, 1796 on the Mariquita Hacienda in Jalisco. He married Maria Gregoria Morones, who was born on May 23, 1792 in Encarnacion de Diaz. Jose Maria and Gregoria had a son Estanislado de Jesus Garcia, born in 1825 in Enc; he married Antonia Ornelas, born March 1834 in Enc. Their son Simon was born in Enc on Oct 28 1864. He married Marciana Cervantes who was born in Enc on Oct 20, 1869. Their son Primitivo Garcia was born on June 10, 1890 in Enc and he married Maria Hinojosa de Guterrez who was born on June 6, 1893 in Zacatecas. Their son Enrique is my husband's father and he was

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Hi Emilie,

I believe this is the Cayetano Garcia you're looking for:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NTV3-LBB

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Emilie
Garcia
Enviado el: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:20 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test - Emilie

Hello Rick,

Thanks for your response. My husband's surname is Garcia, which has led me
to a brick wall.

The farthest back I have gotten on his line is his gggg-grandfather Joseph
Cayetano Garcia (espanol) born May 211, 1738 in Santa Barbara,
Aguascalientes, and his second wife Anacleta Calzada (yndia) born on July
12, 1772 in San Juan de Los Lagos. Their son Jose Maria Garcia (espanol),
was born Dec 12, 1796 on the Mariquita Hacienda in Jalisco. He married
Maria Gregoria Morones, who was born on May 23, 1792 in Encarnacion de Diaz.
Jose Maria and Gregoria had a son Estanislado de

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Yes, thank you, Rick,

So it is Pedro Cayetano and not Joseph Cayetano. I had found a Joseph Garcia also born in 1738 whose parents were Nicolas Garzia and Maria Quiteria, but they were "indio" from "Puruano" and I didn't that that was the right one since everybody else was "espanol".

Emilie

> From: rodriguezdefrias@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 17:03:33 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test - Emilie
>
> Hi Emilie,
>
> I believe this is the Cayetano Garcia you're looking for:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NTV3-LBB
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Emilie
> Garcia
> Enviado el: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:20 PM
> Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test - Emilie
>
>
> Hello Rick,
>
> Thanks for your response. My husband's surname is Garcia, which has led me
> to a

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Thanks Ed,

I will tell my husband. He will be pleased to know there are other T1s from Jalisco.

Emilie

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: ed@serros.net
> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:46:30 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test - Emilie
>
> You can see the message at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21013
>
>
>
> More specifically, I will re-post it again, see below.
>
>
> DNA Test - Emilie
> Submitted by Edward Serros on Thu, 2012-10-11 20:27.
>
>
>
> My Felgueres Y-DNA ancestral line is T1, the old K2. The original Felgueres, Domingo Antonio Felgueres, came to Mezquitic, Jalisco as Lieutenant Governor of that area in 1790. Domingo Antonio was born in Villaviciosa, Asturias and baptized in the Iglesia San Salvador de Fuentes.
>
> There is another Nuestros Ranchos member (Rodriguez, I believe) who is T1 also.
>
> Edward Serros
>
>
>
>

marriage record/acta de matrimonio

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Hello,

In translating a marriage record I found the status reads "Viudo"-widowed for the groom but her status reads " estado Donea"??? for the bride... Does anyone know what this may indicate?

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Published by Angelina_Markle – Sun, 2012-10-14 10:15 | Permalink

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Hello Mazo,

I reviewed the image in question ... The top left is the declaration of the
bride and it states that she is a resident (vecina) not widow (viuda).
"estado Donca" is an abbrevation for Doncella which is saying she was never
married.

-Angelina-

-----Original Message-----
From: ochoafam4@rocketmail.com
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:50 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] marriage record/acta de matrimonio

Hello,

In translating a marriage record I found the status reads "Viudo"-widowed
for the groom but her status reads " estado Donea"??? for the bride... Does
anyone know what this may indicate?

Here's the link if that helps:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11601-138089-5?cc=1410092&…

Thanks in advance for the help.
MAZO

Hola,

Al traducir un acta de matrimonio me pareció que el estado es "Viudo", viudo
para el novio, pero el estado es "estado Donea"?? para la novia ... ¿Alguien
sabe lo que esto puede

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La palabra es doncella, que quiere decir que es una joven soltera.

> From: angelina@markleweb.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:01:19 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] marriage record/acta de matrimonio
>
> Hello Mazo,
>
> I reviewed the image in question ... The top left is the declaration of the
> bride and it states that she is a resident (vecina) not widow (viuda).
> "estado Donca" is an abbrevation for Doncella which is saying she was never
> married.
>
> -Angelina-
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ochoafam4@rocketmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:50 AM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] marriage record/acta de matrimonio
>
> Hello,
>
> In translating a marriage record I found the status reads "Viudo"-widowed
> for the groom but her status reads " estado Donea"??? for the bride... Does
> anyone know what this may indicate?
>
> Here's the link if that helps:
> https:/

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it is an abreviation for doncella (never married)
 
Anna Smith

From: "ochoafam4@rocketmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:50 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] marriage record/acta de matrimonio

Hello,

In translating a marriage record I found the status reads "Viudo"-widowed for the groom but her status reads " estado Donea"??? for the bride... Does anyone know what this may indicate?

Here's the link if that helps:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11601-138089-5?cc=1410092&…

Thanks in advance for the help.
MAZO

Hola,

Al traducir un acta de matrimonio me pareció que el estado es "Viudo", viudo para el novio, pero el estado es "estado Donea"?? para la novia ... ¿Alguien sabe lo que esto puede indicar?

Aquí está el enlace si eso ayuda:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11601-138089-5?cc=1410092&…

Gracias de antemano por la ayuda.
MAZO

Once again I need a little help reading a record

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This record is Jose Claro Sandate Ramirez baptized Aug 15 1866. I'm trying to figure out if it says Claro's birth date.

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Fri, 2012-10-12 21:55 | Permalink

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It also says the child was 3 days old (infante de tres días). The record of dated August 15, so depending on how they counted, he could have been born on the 12th or the 13th. The feast of Saint Clare of Assisi is celebrated on August 11, but before the 1960's it was celebrated on August 12th.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clare_of_Assisi

However, children not always got the name of the saint whose feast was celebrated the day they were born:
The previous record is of a girl named Hipólita, 3 days old, baptized on the 14th, and the feast of St. Hippolytus falls on the 13th (and the girl was born on the 11th or 12th). The one before is of a boy named José Tiburcio, 5 days old, baptized on the 15th, and the feast of St. Tiburtius was on the 11th (the boy was born on the 10th or 11th).

The names at the end belong to the godparents (padrinos). They were Jose Cesilio Rodrigues and Maria ¿____? Arriaga.

Best,
Victoriano Navarro

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Thank you again. This is very helpful. I knew because I'm Catholic that children are given Saints names, but had no idea it was based on feast that might have been held on their birth.

Thank you so much for giving of your time.

Juanita Henniger

Published by dpdelgadol – Fri, 2012-10-12 21:30 | Permalink

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Juanita,

The names at the end of the records are the godparents. Their names are: Jose Cecilio Rodrigues and Maria Catarina Arriaga.

David in Albany, CA

On Fri 12/10/12 7:47 PM , juanitahenniger@msn.com sent:
> This record is Jose Claro Sandate Ramirez baptized Aug 15 1866. I'm trying
> to figure out if it says Claro's birth date. I see that his Parents are
> Jose Tiofilo Sandate and Maria Ebarista Ramierz, with maternal grandparents
> Jose Francisco Ramierz and Maria ?? is this Tomas or Juana Llamas. Is it
> also listing the paternal grandparents as Pable Sandate and Maria Josefa
> Sandate. What I'm wonder is if is also listing great grandparents? There
> seems to be additional names listed toward the end of the document, but I
> can't make them out. I'd be grateful if someone help me out with the
> language barrier again. I'm definitely going to sign up for more Spanish
> classes in the Spring.
> Thanks again.
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20131-54430

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Published by andrews90032 – Fri, 2012-10-12 20:30 | Permalink

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Hello,

What I read was that Jose Claro parents are Jose Trofilo Sandate and Maria Ebarsita Ramires. His paternal grandparents are Jose Paulo Sandate and Maria Josefa Sausedo, his maternal grandparents were Jose Francisco Ramires and Maria Tomasa Llamas.

Thats what it looked like to me, hope this helps.

Thanks,
Barbara
On Oct 12, 2012, at 7:47 PM, juanitahenniger@msn.com wrote:

> This record is Jose Claro Sandate Ramirez baptized Aug 15 1866. I'm trying to figure out if it says Claro's birth date. I see that his Parents are Jose Tiofilo Sandate and Maria Ebarista Ramierz, with maternal grandparents Jose Francisco Ramierz and Maria ?? is this Tomas or Juana Llamas. Is it also listing the paternal grandparents as Pable Sandate and Maria Josefa Sandate. What I'm wonder is if is also listing great grandparents? There seems to be additional names listed toward the end of the document, but I can't make them out. I'd be grateful if someone help me out with the language barrier again

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Barbara,

Thank you for clarifying this information. It can quite frustrating reading these records when my Spanish is so limited. I can tell you how much I appreciate how helpful everyone has been. It makes researching so much more interesting. Thanks again.

Juanita Henniger

YDNA J2b1

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J2b1 m205 seems to be very present in the Balkans, more particularly in Albania, in the northeastern of Greece, but in south Italy, Spain and France too ( and not exclusively in the south of the count

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Hi Linda, J2a1 and J2a1b have been present in Los Altos through several
lineages since the late 1500's

Rick

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Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] YDNA J2b1

J2b1 m205 seems to be very present in the Balkans, more particularly in
Albania, in the northeastern of Greece, but in south Italy, Spain and France
too ( and not exclusively in the south of the country) according the data of
FTDNA. It is found around the Mediterranean.

It is found in Tepatitlan as far back as the early 1700's.

Linda

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J2b1 m205 seems to be very present in the Balkans, more particularly in Albania, in the northeastern of Greece, but in south Italy, Spain and France too ( and not exclusively in the south of the country) according the data of FTDNA. It is found around the Mediterranean.

It is found in Tepatitlan as far back as the early 1700's.

Linda

Llamas mystery

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Hello,

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I forgot to add that the Maternal line of Felipa & Catarina Banegas (Venegas) extends to Agustina Figueroa (married to Marcos Banegas).

De Anda y Marquez

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Hola Everyone, I have a Jose Alejandro de Anda married to Maria Joaquina Munoz--children :
1) Maria Ygnacia Agapita de Anda born 04,Oct.

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In *Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia*, Tomo VI, Vol 1, pg 415, Mariano
Gonzalez-Leal lists Dona Maria Joaquina de SJ Munoz, dtr of Don Joseph
Miguel Munoz de Nava y Gomez-Hurtado de Mendoza and Maria Antonia Marquez y
Lomeli, bap 9 Apr, 1771 in San Miguel el Alto, md 23 Feb 1789 to Joseph
Alexandro de Anda y Moreno, son of Don Anastasio and Dona Maria de San
Joseph. I hope this is helpful.
Raquel Ruiz

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Thank you very much
Ronnie Reynoso

> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 22:00:40 -0400
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] De Anda y Marquez
>
> In *Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia*, Tomo VI, Vol 1, pg 415, Mariano
> Gonzalez-Leal lists Dona Maria Joaquina de SJ Munoz, dtr of Don Joseph
> Miguel Munoz de Nava y Gomez-Hurtado de Mendoza and Maria Antonia Marquez y
> Lomeli, bap 9 Apr, 1771 in San Miguel el Alto, md 23 Feb 1789 to Joseph
> Alexandro de Anda y Moreno, son of Don Anastasio and Dona Maria de San
> Joseph. I hope this is helpful.
> Raquel Ruiz

Research Digest, Vol 81, Issue 5

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Juanita,

Id. is the word in Latin for something that has been mentioned previously; the same.

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Catalago del Archivo del Registro Publico de la Propiedad de Guadalajara

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I borrowed the book: Catálogo del archivo del Registro Público de la
Propiedad de Guadalajara : libros, de hipotecas 1566-1820 / by David J.
Robinson & Linda Greenow from the California State Libr

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Published by October Fly (not verified) – Sat, 2012-09-22 13:29 | Permalink

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Hi, Would you be willing to look up surnames in the book you borrowed?

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Robert Martinez

The book should have the source in the pages somewhere, listing the archive, city location, and collection. The title gives a lot of information, it seems to be something that could be found in the civil archives in Guadalajara, Mexico.

Rob

Looking for records for Piedras Negras, Choahuila 1903 -

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These records seem to be missing on family search site. Does anyone know where I might find these records? Also, is there a Piedras Negras, Aguascalientes?

Thanks,

Juanita

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Hi Juanita,
I found online a map of Aguascalientes which shows towns and Haciendas.
There is a town named Piedras Negras, going West from Aguascalientes on Route 70 and then taking one of the short yellow roads going North.
http://www.aguascalientes.gob.mx/estado/mapaedo.htm

The homepage is the official one for the State maps:
http://www.aguascalientes.gob.mx/estado/mapas.aspx

Best,

Victoriano Navarro

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Oh, sounds interesting. My grandmother always said she was born in Piedras Negras, Aguascalientes, but since I could only find Piedras Negras in Coahuila I assumed that she was mistaken about the state. This gives me a lead. I'm off to check to see what parishes are near this new find. Thank you so much Victoriano! This means alot.

Juanita Henniger

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The Coahuila church records are grouped in "Mexico Catholic Church Records" with several other states. The civil records are separately listed as their own heading.

From the Family History Library catalog, when you do a "place search" for Piedras Negras, and you follow the links to the page that lists all the filmed church records for this town, there will be a link in red that will take you to the records.

In either case, you get to the same place.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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Hi George,

I've tried all that, but what I'm finding is that the baptismal records for Piedras Negras only go up to 1902. There doesn't seem to be any other links that will get me to 1903. I'm wondering if baptisms were not done in Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe (Piedras Negras, Coahuila)after 1902 or if they are missing. I didn't see on the site where they would be microfilmed. So, I guess I'm a little bit lost. Any ideas where else I might look? Thanks

Juanita Henniger

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Juanita

I misinterpreted the intent of your question.

There are a number of reasons that there are such limited church records for Piedras Negras. I did some searching, and I have a possible explanation. From the website of the city, under "Historia" (http://www.piedrasnegras.gob.mx/2010/06/historia/) it says:

El 2 de septiembre de 1932, la ciudad sufre su 2ª gran inundación con grandes pérdidas materiales, al desbordarse el Río Bravo. Evento que se repitió el 28 de junio de 1954, con la más grande inundación que ocasionó graves daños que no pudieron ser cuantificados, que solo reconoció la pérdida de 60 vidas, aunque se manejaron cifras superiores.

I do not what parts of the city were affected, but this suggests a significant part.

I found another website, concerning major and catastrophic storms in Texas (http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2003/ofr03-193/cd_files/USGS_Storms/patton.htm):

1932 - Sept 1, 1932 - Flooding was disastrous covering most of Piedras Negras and Eagle Pass - 5 ft

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Thank you George. I was familiar with 1954 flood as my great grandfather on my mother's paternal side was born in Brownsville and his records were lost during the flood. I never thought the same flood would end up affecting my mothers maternal side. Looks like my job just got tougher. My one hope is that my Great Grandmother was not from Aguascalientes but from another state nearby because from my understanding all weddings occurred in the brides hometown. Thanks for your help and time spend researching I really appreciate it.

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