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Congratulations! I don’t know much about the Villalpando’s, other than Maria Sotelo was Tomas’ second wife, his first wife being Maria de Leon y Vargas, daughter of Francisco de Leon and Matiana de Vargas.
Here’s the IM for Juan Pichardo and Gertrudis Narbais, dated 10 Feb 1706, San Matias, Pinos. He was born around 1679 in Toluca, son of Joseph Picardo and Josepha de Arzate y Flores. Gertrudis Narbais was born around 1686 in San Luis Potosi, hija de padres no conocidos. There were 2-3 families named Narvaez in SLP; it’d be impossible to say which one she descends from.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BL3M-T?i=221&wc=MC7X-W…
Here’s their marriage record, 24 Feb 1706, in Pinos:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BW9S-5G?i=37&wc=3PS9-P…

Here’s the IM for Juan Antonio Villalpando cc Josepha Flores, dated 3 Feb 1727, Real de Asientos. The 3rd witness was Pedro Narvaes, born around 1670; he said he was related to one of the bridal couple

Hi I am Also Related to Cosme, he is My GGGGGGGGG Grandpa... wow I Hope we find out he is from Spain : )

Gus:

I have not seen the marriage record of Cosme and Maria, so I don't know if it mentions the birthplace of Cosme or not. It may be worth ordering the record from Salt Lake to see if it does.

It is an interest conjecture to make that both parties would be from Galicia.

As you know the couple was married on 6 Jan 1676 in the Asuncion parrish, Mexico, Distrito Federal, MEXICO. The marriage is on Film 35269.

Do you understand Spanish? Here’s the webpage for the municipality of Villa Garcia that gives a brief history: http://mpiodevillagarcia.com.mx/municipio.html
This website also gives a history:
http://www.inafed.gob.mx/work/enciclopedia/EMM32zacatecas/municipios/32…
And here’s a travel show with a segment done about Villa Garcia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOJhoqpLCGo

Otherwise, I’ve seen nothing on its history, other than what I’ve picked up along the way. The municipal seat of Villa Garcia was originally a hacienda called Agostadero, founded in 1595. Historically, it was in the jurisdiction of Real de Minas de Sierra de Pinos (Zacatecas), but depending on the era, it also fell into the jurisdiction of Real de Asientos (Aguascalientes). So if you’re looking for church records for ancestors, look in both dioceses (San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, and Nuestra Señora de Belen, Asientos, Aguascalientes).

My grandfather, J. Refugio Gonzalez Hermosillo, was born in La Montesa

Hola compañeros, please allow me to piggy back onto your posting. I have reason to believe there may be a connection between my Michel Ordóñez line and the de Haro line. I want to bring my friend Alfredo Peña inti the conversation. Thanks

ok i should add the mariana rodriguez who married jacinto lamas was also married to a guy with the last name avila

I do have Hernando Haro but married to Cecilia Lopez so have less than you do. My file is on Rootsweb.com and my file name is Mexico. You can go to the index to see what I do have.

Linda Castanon-Long

Edgar Olguin Diaz

buenos dias a todos
un cordial saludo
alguien me podria ayudar en una de mis lineas genealogicas con la familia de haro de jerez zacatecas ?
esta es la informacion que tengo a continuacion:

Jose Onofre Roblez Haro (n.aprox. 1790)y Juana Sifuentes Garcia casados aprox en 1819 en zacatecas

Juan Dionicio Robles Casas y Rita Quiteria Aro Correa (n.1770)casados en
30 abril 1791 en jerez zacatecas

Juan Eligio De Haro (n. aprox.1732)y Maria Felipa or Juana Correa matrimonio aprox en 1752 jerez zacatecas.

en resumen linaje:

jose onofre roblez haro 1790
rita quiterio aro correa 1770
juan eligio de haro 1732

alguien tiene alguna informacion de los padres de juan eligio de haro? o de su matrimonio de felipa correa ?
se los agradezceria mucho
que tengan un excelente dia
saludos

I found the death record for Romana Batres - 2 Aug 1918 in Fresnillo, Zac. Her family search ID is G41G-QVR. If anyone has any other info on her or her parents (Jose Zacarias Batres and Petra Garcia) I'd love to know. Thanks.

Hi Margarita,
I'd still love to get more information on Romana Batres if you have it. Thanks.
Rick Fernández

Margarita,
My email is rmfpdx@mac.com. I'm the one who asked about Batres. I'd love to see any info you have about a Romana Batres. Thank you!

What does "la fabrica" refer to in the context of burials?

I am curious about this cemetery in Tepetongo called Campo Santo de los Sauces. I have ancestors who were interred there. Where would that be located today? Is it still there? Does it have a different name now? I see on Google maps that there is a cemetery in the town of Tepetongo and another just outside of La Lechiguita, in the general vicinity of Juanchorrey, Estancia de los Berumen, and Arroyo Seco.

Thanks very much for this information! I'm stumped doing research in Fresnillo because records on familysearch seem to go back only to the 1860s. In the resource you provided on page 175 for Fresnillo it gives two sources, AAG and AGI Guadalajara 348. Can you clarify what those stand for and how to find them? Mil gracias.

Definitely Flores de Lisar

Hi Joseph,

It is most like Flores de Lisardi but I think she uses multiple last names. Here is a baptism for a Rosalia de la Torre, hija legitima de Pedro de la Torre y Josefa Ramirez. Abuelos Paternos: Simon de la Torre y Ynes Esparza...

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5799-61

Danny

Hi! I can also definitely read "Lisar" too. I read a post in here saying it could also be "Liras", which I honestly don't see but I guess it's also a posibility. But I do believe it could very well be "Hijar" too, which I understand is a last name in this area (and tends to be a compund last name, though not necessarily with Flores).

Hope it helps! :)

It's definitely "Lisar." My guess is it's short for Lisardi/Lizarde/Elizarde - the spelling varies. That was part of the compound surname "Lopez de Lizardi (sp)," who you can find throughout Aguascalientes and Los Altos de Jalisco.

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Paige,

This is a good question. I descend from this couple too. The only person that I know that uses the compound surname Garcia de Miranda is Angelina Garcia de Miranda that was married to Juan de Arrona and Martin Garcia. Angelina Garcia de Miranda was born about 40 years before the date you have listed for Alonso Garcia de Miranda / de Cuevas. Both estimates may be slightly off but I'm wondering whether Alonso Garcia de Miranda might be the son of Angelina Garcia de Miranda and Martin Garcia. Not saying for certain, but it might be a place to start.

Danny

I posted this line in another thread:

A few notes labeled A through H before the tree.

Note A.
A small minority claim that García Martínez Peralta and Ana Sánchez Ruiz de Azagra are the parents of “Mosén Pierres de Peralta “el Viejo”.

Many people claim that 2.”Mosén Pierres de Peralta, el Viejo” was the illegitimate son of Charles II De Navarro d’ Evereaux.

Both are mistaken as their is an extra generation which shows that Mosen Pierre De Peralta “el Viejo” (Pedro Perez de Peralta) is a grandson of both García Martínez Peralta and Ana Sánchez Ruiz de Azagra and king Carlos II “el malo” and queen Juana De Francia

Note B
Geronimo Lopez “el Mozo” and his wife, Ana Carillo de Peralta came from the upper high class. Their immediate descendants married into other upper high class society like the Villaseñor, Lomelin, Santiago, Ovande, Alvarez Nuñez, Rivadeneyra, and Cervantes families to name some of them.

Note C
The Diego Coria III that marries a daughter of Geronimo Lopez el Mozo and

I descend from Francisco de la Cueva Carvajal cc Maria de Villaseñor y Lomelin. Many members of this Cuevas Carvajal family used other surnames to distance themselves from the inquisition. Many families had some converso roots, so it wasn’t always about hiding some converso ancestry, but many families did want to distance themselves from any family members that were caught iin the “inquisition web.” There is a need to look at many “Dispensas “ from this family to untangle the family lines.

Rick A. Ricci

Hola Daniel,

There was a Francisco de la Cueva Carvajal cc Maria de Villaseñor y Lomelin, who who I have as residents of Teocuitatlan, Jal, born around 1610ish. Some of their offspring ended up in Michoacan. Their daughter, Ysabel de la Cueva y Villaseñor, also used Olmo on at least one occasion, so there’s probably a link to Luis de Lomelin cc Maria del Olmo - though I have Maria de Villaseñor y Lomelin as daughter of Joseph de Villaseñor Figueroa cc Bernarda de Lomelin y Peralta aka Correa Lomelin.

I hope that helps!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Hola Ana,

Aqui tienes el documento:https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5J9Y-KZ?i=240&cc=18833…

Es super interesante - lealo!

Manny Díez Hermosillo

Estimado Gabriel,

Gracias por compartir estos datos, particularmente el bautismo de Antonia! No lo había visto y me párese de suma interés que Gerónimo de Cervantes Villaseñor fue su padrino.

Comparto unos datos sobre Gerónimo en este thread:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24750

Espero que pronto podríamos compartir más sobre estás familias.

Un saludo,

Richard

Thanks for the info, I also found an Ayo's 1669 AGUIRRE's Christening record for :

Jn. Garcia Aguire
Event Date: 4 Jun 1669 San Agustin, Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name: Bernabe Garcia Mother's Name: Madalena de Aguire

1st Record left image 225 of 308:

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-F4LV-M?cc=1874591&wc=3JHC-… : 28 June 2014), Ayotlán > San Agustín > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1717-1726 > image 225 of 308; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

Also in this film in image 278 (3rd record left page) is the record for another child: Madalena Garcia Aguirre
Event Date: 9 Jul 1679 Event Place (Original): San Agustin, Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, Father's Name: Bernabe Garcia Mother's Name: Madalena de Aguirre

Maybe an interesting info is that in this record they are classified as "Mestizos" and Bartolome Aguirre

The couple has a duplicate entry for their marriage. This one in Guadalajara.

Index:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCDV-192

Image:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-D29W-XR

Hi!

The marriage record you shared is for Pedro Vázquez de Aguirre & Juana de Oria.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCDL-34Z

“…se presento P[edr]o basques de aguirre hijo lejitimo de P[edr]o basques de aguirre i de Fran[cis]ca nuñes besinos de esta Jurisdision de aio, para contraer matrimonio con doña Ju[an]a de oria hija de Joseph de la dueña, i de angela de oria besinos de la ciudad de guadalajara…”

I have not seen anything yet that suggests a relationship between this couple and Bartolomé de Aguirre and his wife Micaela de Mendoza.

There is another marriage record for Pedro's sibling, but I think it may contain errors:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCDP-SC1

I have also not seen any evidence yet that documents the origins of Bartolomé de Aguirre and his wife Micaela. It would be great if someone were to share that here.

here's the marriage record for lorenzo and cacilda
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5NSX-R4?i=106&wc=3JX5-…. it mentions lorenzo being a widower of juana de roxas(not sure if i'm reading this name correctly). if juana roxas = juana reyes, then those lorenzos must be same person

I haven't seen much, if any, connection between Nochistlan and either Mezquitic, Jalisco and Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas from 1680 to 1720.

Hi Ed,

It's literally one of the most valuable resources out there. It's helped me so much in my research. I got my pdf. copy off of the LDS Website but someone informed me that it's not there anymore. I have the pdf but it won't let me upload here because the file is too big.

Danny

George Fulton had informed us that it was available on the LDS site back in
January. See http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/21984

Armando

On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 7:41 AM, wrote:

> There is a digital copy available of one of the best genealogy reference
> sources available to us. It reviews innumerable marriage dispensations in
> the 17th and 18th centuries (Guadalajara). The index of surnames begins on
> page 591.
> I tried to put the .PDF file into the Resource Materials but the
> attachment was not accepted. So, instead go to
> http://mexicangenealogy.info/discover-yor-mexican-ancestors-with-the-bo…-
> sagrada-mitra-de-guadalajara-antiguo-obispado-de-la-nueva-galicia/, where
> you can download the entire book. The download area is 1/2 way down the
> page and is highlighted by Download Sagrada Mitra in PDF Format. I also
> give you the actual download link, Click here:
> https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE1217782.
> Alternatively, cut and

Are you still looking for you Lopez family in Jalisco?

That has happened to me may times with different ancestors in that area of Jalisco.

I've found that many times people of those towns often are baptised in the surrounding nearby towns of Colotlan, Santa Maria De Los Angeles, and Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas. Of course, other towns are possible.

It's also possible that some of the original pages of the baptisimal books could've been destroyed or lost. By accident, I found a loose marriage record page in the film of a death records book.It was a miracle because I had been looking for that one marriage record for years!

Good luck in your search!

Jose Carlos de Leon

Hola, donde se puede consultar el testamento de Juan Garcia de Santana? De antemano gracias

Hi Manny,

I’m very excited by this find of yours. I am related to many of the people that you name. I descend from the Lopez De Elizalde, Ruiz De Esparza, Navarro and others. Though I don’t descend from Gaston Peralta, I do descend from Gaston Peralta’s half sister Ana.

The Ruiz De Esparza were themselves a conversó family, but they had converted in the 1200’s so they weren’t recent conversos. Because their family had been Catholic for over two centuries, they were considered Cristiano Viejo by the time of this document. The Navarro's also had a Jewish past as Petronila Sotelo Moctezuma also had conversos lines that sufferered through the inquisition. Her conversó family suffered through the inquisition for both suspicion of continuing to practice Judaism, and for Lutheranism as they accused many of her family members of taking Christianity too far for forming scripture study and prayer groups.

Thank you for sharing your findings,

Rick A. Ricci

Hi Manny

Big, big congradulations on this find! This is really exciting and I look forward to further posts by you in this thread and the future ones you refer to above!

You suggest that there must have been a Pedro Fernandez de Vaulus el Viejo, since a "Mozo" is named in the document, and that el Viejo could be identical with Pedro Hernandez who came to Mexico with Gaston de Peralta who was sent to straighten out the mess created by the conspiracy case of 1566 involving two of Cortes' sons, among a number of other Spaniards. See the pages in this book by Hugh Thomas (World Without End, in google books) for more information on it:

https://books.google.dk/books?id=02D5AgAAQBAJ&pg=PR111&lpg=PR111&dq=gas…

Diego Arias de Sotelo was also implicated in the conspiracy and sent into exile. (His brother Balthazar

Hi Ana,
Welcome to the nuestrosranchos.orgmunity. You are right, we share many ancestors. I have posted much of these shared ancestors on this website. I have posted many of your ancestral lines such as Ochoa Garibay, Villasenor, and Coria Peralta. My book isn’t available yet to the public as I am still adding to it. I will let you know when it is available.

I wonder if your ancestor calpitan Joseph Lazo De la Vega is related to Simón Lasso (Lazo) de la Vega de Guzmán, who was also a capitán. Are you sure that Joseph Lazo De la Vega was born in Sevilla? Please provide sources and as much information as you can.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Three different places they went to are Valle de Guadalupe, Jalostotitlan, and Tepatitlan. Valle de Gpe. Is the closest, but I have seen some of their records in Jalos and Tepa.

Rick A. Ricci

Lorenso Mejia who married Josefa de Paez was son of the other, born from his second marriage to Ines de Estrada. Here’s my notes on this family group:

Lorenso Mejía married twice. His first wife was Mariana de Aguayo, daughter of Diego de Aguayo and Gerónima de Benavides. Mariana de Aguayo died sometime before Aug 1638.

The children of Lorenso Mejía and Mariana de Aguayo are:
1. Matías Mejía Aguayo, d. 02 May 1700, Nochistlán, Zac; m. Dorotea de San Ignacio Juárez y Rodríguez.
2. Juan Mejía. Appears in the 1649 padrón, having confessed and received communion.
3. José Mejía Aguayo, c. 1663, Nʳª Sʳª de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jal; m. Magdalena de Islas Sandoval, 30 Sep 1664, Nochistlán, Zac.
4. Juana Mejía Aguayo, c. 03 Mar 1635, Nochistlán, Zac.

Lorenso Mejía married Inés de Estrada on 27 Aug 1638, in Nochistlán; their padrinos were Bernardino de Islas, and his sister-in-law, Josefa de Sandoval. The fact that one of their daughters used the surname Íñiquez and Íñiquez de Estrada

Dispensations and IM’s for San Luis Potosi can be found in the archives of the archdiocese of Morelia, Michoacan, click here.

Some of the rolls of film have been indexed at Valladolid Dispensas.

Good luck!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Hi Manny in the book Silent Heritage by professor Richard Santos of the University of Texas he described a 1541 census of Guadalajara where Juan Michel Ordoñez states he is a native of the city of Genoa.He is mentioned on pages 81, 91 and 104. I've not corroborated nor verified the census or document.

Hola a todos, I've been away from the Nuestros Ranchos site for a while. I read in this posting about the Conquistador Diego de San Martín. A couple of years back I read in the book 'Who's who of the Conquistadors' by Lord Hugh Thomas where he mentions Diego de San Martín on page 235 as arriving in Mexico in 1518 with the Captain Juan de Grijalva expedition and signatory to the letter of the army. They met fierce resistance from the natives at Poncitlan and returned to Cuba. In 1519 he joined the Cortez expedition and returned to Mexico.

Manny, this is a fantastic find! Well done!

I am speechless. Does it say anywhere who Christobal's father is? I did not see it.

Thanks!

Sergio

Hola a Todos,

Manny,

Another fantastic find! I descend from Pedro Ruiz de Haro and Leonor Arias through their daughter Francisca de Arias cc Alvaro de Bracamontes. Very cool to take this family back a few more generations.

If you look at the testimony of Bernabe Garcia, here - second paragraph on the first page, you can see that he calls out: ... y que a Juan Bautista de Haro hermano del dicho Pedro Ruiz de Haro que dijo aver conocido en Peñaranda de Duero.... There's only one Peñaranda de Duero which, as you already pointed out, is located in Burgos.

Best,

Daniel Serna Valencia

Marriage record of José María Quesada and Francisca Ríos.

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Marriage record of Francisca Rios and Bartolo Quesada:

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

A marriage wasn’t Considered a marriage until the couple “slept” together. If something happened that prevented Francisca Rios and Bartolo from sleeping together then the marriage was said to have not been consummated.

I think this is a noble cause. Sign me up. I am willing to help.

Best,

Erik Andrés Reynoso.