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An excerpt from the Whitewashed Adobe book in the general tone of 
what I think you are referencing:

The Mexican race now see, in the fate of the aborigines of the north, 
their own inevitable destiny.  They must amalgamante and be lost, in 
the superior vigor of the Anglo-Saxon race, or they must utterly 
perish.  They may postpone the hour for a time, but it will come, 
when their nationallity shall cease.

-- Democratic Review, February 1847


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte <albertodua@y...> 
wrote:
>
> When I was in college back in the early '60s, I read a
> number of old news articles that were written by a
> California judge in the late 1800s about Mexicans and
> they were very cruel.  You could actually feel the
> hatred he had for us even back at that time.  After
> the military take over by the Americans of California,
> life must have been very hard for our people.  
> 
> Freedom does have a price. 
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto.
> Santa Maria, California
> 
> --- Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
> 
> > Ed/Angie:
> > 
> > Whatever the political status of the American
> > Southwest was 
> > throughout the 1700s and early 1800s, it was if not
> > indigenous in 
> > identity, certainly Mexican.  Most of the settlers
> > in the area were 
> > not Spaniards, as a lot of Anglo revisionist
> > historians like to 
> > purport by glorifying the missions, etc., but
> > Mexicans... Tlaxacaltec 
> > colonizers in New Mexico, immigrants from Sonora,
> > Chihuahua, 
> > Aguascalientes, etc... The original founding
> > families of Culver City, 
> > California, for example were the Talamantes and
> > Avila from 
> > Aguascalientes... probably related to some people in
> > the group.
> > 
> > The following book is very well researched and
> > provides a whole new 
> > insight into the attempted "de-Mexicanization" of
> > Los Angeles.  A 
> > very good read.
> > 
> > Whitewashed Adobe : The Rise of Los Angeles and the
> > Remaking of Its 
> > Mexican Past
> > by William Deverell
> > 
> > Review:
> > 
> > Chronicling the rise of Los Angeles through shifting
> > ideas of race 
> > and ethnicity, William Deverell offers a unique
> > perspective on how 

Angie,

Thank you, I didnt not know this.



              ~~glo~~







From: "aajay1073" <aajay1073@...>
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Mexican Border
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:36:00 -0000

Glo,

Here is some information:

Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guadalupe_Hildalgo

Maps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:National-atlas-territorial-
acquisitions.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Territorial-acquisition-uscensus-
bureau.jpg

If the links wrap be sure to recreate in address bar.

- Angie


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "glo Sandoval-Fuentes"
<gloriafuentes@h...> wrote:
>
> I would like to hear further on this because I always thought that
Mexico
> did own California too, like till the beginning of the 1900's?
>
>
>
>                ~~glo~~
>








Yahoo! Groups Links

When I was in college back in the early '60s, I read a
number of old news articles that were written by a
California judge in the late 1800s about Mexicans and
they were very cruel.  You could actually feel the
hatred he had for us even back at that time.  After
the military take over by the Americans of California,
life must have been very hard for our people.  

Freedom does have a price. 

Alberto Duarte Prieto.
Santa Maria, California

--- Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@...> wrote:

> Ed/Angie:
> 
> Whatever the political status of the American
> Southwest was 
> throughout the 1700s and early 1800s, it was if not
> indigenous in 
> identity, certainly Mexican.  Most of the settlers
> in the area were 
> not Spaniards, as a lot of Anglo revisionist
> historians like to 
> purport by glorifying the missions, etc., but
> Mexicans... Tlaxacaltec 
> colonizers in New Mexico, immigrants from Sonora,
> Chihuahua, 
> Aguascalientes, etc... The original founding
> families of Culver City, 
> California, for example were the Talamantes and
> Avila from 
> Aguascalientes... probably related to some people in
> the group.
> 
> The following book is very well researched and
> provides a whole new 
> insight into the attempted "de-Mexicanization" of
> Los Angeles.  A 
> very good read.
> 
> Whitewashed Adobe : The Rise of Los Angeles and the
> Remaking of Its 
> Mexican Past
> by William Deverell
> 
> Review:
> 
> Chronicling the rise of Los Angeles through shifting
> ideas of race 
> and ethnicity, William Deverell offers a unique
> perspective on how 
> the city grew and changed. Whitewashed Adobe
> considers six different 
> developments in the history of the city--including
> the cementing of 
> the Los Angeles River, the outbreak of bubonic
> plague in 1924, and 
> the evolution of America's largest brickyard in the
> 1920s. In an 
> absorbing narrative supported by a number of
> previously unpublished 
> period photographs, Deverell shows how a city that
> was once part of 
> Mexico itself came of age through appropriating--and
> even 
> obliterating--the region's connections to Mexican
> places and people. 
> Deverell portrays Los Angeles during the 1850s as a
> city seething 
> with racial enmity due to the recent war with
> Mexico. He explains 

Arturo,

I uploaded a part of my assignment.  This is not revised yet.
As you will see the Number column is blank. What sequence are you
following?

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
>
> Victor:
> 
> That is fine, if you are unable to decode words, simply highlight 
> them, or put in three underscores (___) or both instead and we can 
> collectively go back and try to fill those in when we are done.
> 
> I have been able to decode more and more as I spend more time with 
> the text as you start learning the quirks of the specific 
> handwriting.  This one is actually pretty good penmanship compared to 
> some others I have seen.  As far as the surnames, you will have to 
> make the call.  Often if it is a surname it will be repeated later on 
> in the same or neighboring rancho.  I ran across a lot of "Carlos" 
> and was at first putting it as part of the first name but then when I 
> saw it next to women's names further down, I realized it was a 
> surname and went back and changed them.
> 
> Can you upload what you have done as you finish chunks.  That way we 
> can keep track of where people are and help in the decoding.  When 
> you have another newer version, simply delete the existing one and 
> upload the new one.
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" <raices_regias@y...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > There are a few words that I haven't been able to decode.  I'm
> > highlighting those cells to get back to them.  When I finish the
> > extraction I'll give a second pass to everything and those words 
> that
> > I'm still not able to decipher I'll ask for your help.
> > 
> > Another problem in some instances is deciding when one word is a
> > surname or is part of the given name.  How are you handling those?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have uploaded the first three pages of my section so that you 
> can 
> > > see what the data entry looks like.  It is in the Colotlan folder 
> in 
> > > the files section of this site.
> > > 
> > > Joseph... if you think we should move this to Ranchos2, please go 
> > > ahead and do so and just let us know.
> > > 

I have noticed children taking on maternal names when land titles 
were associated with the maternal line... i.e. the child's maternal 
grandfather was a big landowner and so the child took on the name 
that went with the land (and prestige presumably).

Emilie, Tlaltenango is the main city in the valley that constitutes 
the "southern arm" of Zacatecas that is trapped between 
Aguascalientes and Jalisco.  It was the alcaldia for what is now 
Totatiche, Atolinga, Tepechitlan, Mezquital del Oro, etc.

I have both Talamantes and Avilas interspersed in my genealogy, also 
from Tlaltenango.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...> 
wrote:
>
> 
>     "The original founding families of Culver City, 
>     California, for example were the Talamantes and Avila from 
>     Aguascalientes... probably related to some people in the group".
> 
> Yes Arturo,
> 
> There is a Talamantes from Taltenango (where is that? I can't find 
it in a map) in my husband's lines in the Jalisco records, but his 
son did not take on his surname.  He took on his mother's surname, 
Cervantes.  Do you think he did that because his Talamantes father 
was indigenous (his father's mother was surnamed Diegina), and it 
would bode him better if he were known as a Cervantes?  Especially if 
he looked espanol as my husband does?  I notice that trend (to take 
the mother's surname) among the children of many Espanolas who 
married Indian men with or without surnames.  Their races were not 
noted since this was in 1839 in Encarnacion de Diaz.    
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA --
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Arturo Ramos<mailto:arturo.ramos2@v...> 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com> 
>   Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:24 AM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Re: Mexican Border
> 
> 
>   Ed/Angie:
> 
>   Whatever the political status of the American Southwest was 
>   throughout the 1700s and early 1800s, it was if not indigenous in 
>   identity, certainly Mexican.  Most of the settlers in the area 
were 
>   not Spaniards, as a lot of Anglo revisionist historians like to 
>   purport by glorifying the missions, etc., but Mexicans... 
Tlaxacaltec 

Victor:

That is fine, if you are unable to decode words, simply highlight 
them, or put in three underscores (___) or both instead and we can 
collectively go back and try to fill those in when we are done.

I have been able to decode more and more as I spend more time with 
the text as you start learning the quirks of the specific 
handwriting.  This one is actually pretty good penmanship compared to 
some others I have seen.  As far as the surnames, you will have to 
make the call.  Often if it is a surname it will be repeated later on 
in the same or neighboring rancho.  I ran across a lot of "Carlos" 
and was at first putting it as part of the first name but then when I 
saw it next to women's names further down, I realized it was a 
surname and went back and changed them.

Can you upload what you have done as you finish chunks.  That way we 
can keep track of where people are and help in the decoding.  When 
you have another newer version, simply delete the existing one and 
upload the new one.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" <raices_regias@y...> 
wrote:
>
> There are a few words that I haven't been able to decode.  I'm
> highlighting those cells to get back to them.  When I finish the
> extraction I'll give a second pass to everything and those words 
that
> I'm still not able to decipher I'll ask for your help.
> 
> Another problem in some instances is deciding when one word is a
> surname or is part of the given name.  How are you handling those?
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> 
wrote:
> >
> > I have uploaded the first three pages of my section so that you 
can 
> > see what the data entry looks like.  It is in the Colotlan folder 
in 
> > the files section of this site.
> > 
> > Joseph... if you think we should move this to Ranchos2, please go 
> > ahead and do so and just let us know.
> > 
> > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" 
<arturo.ramos2@v...> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Victor, Alicia, Joseph et. al.
> > > 
> > > I have created a folder in the files section for Ranchos that 
has 
> > > instructions on how to do the transcription of the Colotlan 
> > Census.  
> > > It is at the end of member genealogy folders.
> > > 

There are a few words that I haven't been able to decode.  I'm
highlighting those cells to get back to them.  When I finish the
extraction I'll give a second pass to everything and those words that
I'm still not able to decipher I'll ask for your help.

Another problem in some instances is deciding when one word is a
surname or is part of the given name.  How are you handling those?



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
>
> I have uploaded the first three pages of my section so that you can 
> see what the data entry looks like.  It is in the Colotlan folder in 
> the files section of this site.
> 
> Joseph... if you think we should move this to Ranchos2, please go 
> ahead and do so and just let us know.
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Victor, Alicia, Joseph et. al.
> > 
> > I have created a folder in the files section for Ranchos that has 
> > instructions on how to do the transcription of the Colotlan 
> Census.  
> > It is at the end of member genealogy folders.
> > 
> > Joseph has volunteered to take pages 90 to 100.  These pages are 
> all 
> > names.  There are names and text interspersed through about page 
> 130, 
> > so Victor, if you can take pages 101-110 and Alicia, if you can 
> take 
> > pages 111-120, I will take pages 121-130.
> > 
> > If there are others interested in doing transcription, the 
> remainder 
> > of the document is mostly text.  Please write me an email and I 
> will 
> > assign a piece to you.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > There is a 1785 Census of the Colotlan region that is held at the 
> > > Archives of Simanca in Spain and has bee digitized.
> > > 
> > > I was thinking that perhaps we could get a few volunteers from 
> the 
> > > group to help transcribe it and then perhaps even publish it.  I 
> > think 
> > > it would be very useful for many people in the group and as far 
> as 
> > I 
> > > know, it has not previously been published.
> > > 
> > > The document can be found on Archivos Espanoles en Red at:

I have uploaded the first three pages of my section so that you can 
see what the data entry looks like.  It is in the Colotlan folder in 
the files section of this site.

Joseph... if you think we should move this to Ranchos2, please go 
ahead and do so and just let us know.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> 
wrote:
>
> Victor, Alicia, Joseph et. al.
> 
> I have created a folder in the files section for Ranchos that has 
> instructions on how to do the transcription of the Colotlan 
Census.  
> It is at the end of member genealogy folders.
> 
> Joseph has volunteered to take pages 90 to 100.  These pages are 
all 
> names.  There are names and text interspersed through about page 
130, 
> so Victor, if you can take pages 101-110 and Alicia, if you can 
take 
> pages 111-120, I will take pages 121-130.
> 
> If there are others interested in doing transcription, the 
remainder 
> of the document is mostly text.  Please write me an email and I 
will 
> assign a piece to you.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > There is a 1785 Census of the Colotlan region that is held at the 
> > Archives of Simanca in Spain and has bee digitized.
> > 
> > I was thinking that perhaps we could get a few volunteers from 
the 
> > group to help transcribe it and then perhaps even publish it.  I 
> think 
> > it would be very useful for many people in the group and as far 
as 
> I 
> > know, it has not previously been published.
> > 
> > The document can be found on Archivos Espanoles en Red at:
> > 
> > ES.47161.AGS/19.8//SGU,7015,2
> > 
> > Let me know if you are interested in helping out on this project.
> >
>

Ed/Angie:

Whatever the political status of the American Southwest was 
throughout the 1700s and early 1800s, it was if not indigenous in 
identity, certainly Mexican.  Most of the settlers in the area were 
not Spaniards, as a lot of Anglo revisionist historians like to 
purport by glorifying the missions, etc., but Mexicans... Tlaxacaltec 
colonizers in New Mexico, immigrants from Sonora, Chihuahua, 
Aguascalientes, etc... The original founding families of Culver City, 
California, for example were the Talamantes and Avila from 
Aguascalientes... probably related to some people in the group.

The following book is very well researched and provides a whole new 
insight into the attempted "de-Mexicanization" of Los Angeles.  A 
very good read.

Whitewashed Adobe : The Rise of Los Angeles and the Remaking of Its 
Mexican Past
by William Deverell

Review:

Chronicling the rise of Los Angeles through shifting ideas of race 
and ethnicity, William Deverell offers a unique perspective on how 
the city grew and changed. Whitewashed Adobe considers six different 
developments in the history of the city--including the cementing of 
the Los Angeles River, the outbreak of bubonic plague in 1924, and 
the evolution of America's largest brickyard in the 1920s. In an 
absorbing narrative supported by a number of previously unpublished 
period photographs, Deverell shows how a city that was once part of 
Mexico itself came of age through appropriating--and even 
obliterating--the region's connections to Mexican places and people. 
Deverell portrays Los Angeles during the 1850s as a city seething 
with racial enmity due to the recent war with Mexico. He explains 
how, within a generation, the city's business interests, looking for 
a commercially viable way to establish urban identity, borrowed 
Mexican cultural traditions and put on a carnival called La Fiesta de 
Los Angeles. He analyzes the subtle ways in which ethnicity came to 
bear on efforts to corral the unpredictable Los Angeles River and 
shows how the resident Mexican population was put to work fashioning 
the modern metropolis. He discusses how Los Angeles responded to the 
nation's last major outbreak of bubonic plague and concludes by 
considering the Mission Play, a famed drama tied to regional 
assumptions about history, progress, and ethnicity. Taking all of 
these elements into consideration, Whitewashed Adobe uncovers an 
urban identity--and the power structure that fostered it--with far-

It still is.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, Californai

--- Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@...> wrote:

> Yes Angie, those maps are great.  Emilie, I think
> the reason why the 
> U.S. did not aquire all of Mexico was that the part
> they did not 
> acquire had too many Mexicans living in it.  In
> other words, the 
> xenophobia was greater than the greed.
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"
> <auntyemfaustus@h...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Wow, Angie,
> > 
> > You are a great researcher.  I have never seen
> those maps before.  
> Thanks much for the links to those maps.  It really
> helps me to 
> understand the scope of "Manifest Destiny" of the US
> Government.  I'm 
> surprised they didn't "acquire" all of Mexico.
> > 
> > Emilie Garcia
> > Port Orchard, WA ---
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



		
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Good links.  

Here's a morphing map from pbs.
http://www.pbs.org/kpbs/theborder/history/morphingmap.html

Are we done?  ;-)


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...>
wrote:
>
> Wow, Angie,
> 
> You are a great researcher.  I have never seen those maps before. 
Thanks much for the links to those maps.  It really helps me to
understand the scope of "Manifest Destiny" of the US Government.  I'm
surprised they didn't "acquire" all of Mexico.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>

Yes Angie, those maps are great.  Emilie, I think the reason why the 
U.S. did not aquire all of Mexico was that the part they did not 
acquire had too many Mexicans living in it.  In other words, the 
xenophobia was greater than the greed.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...> 
wrote:
>
> Wow, Angie,
> 
> You are a great researcher.  I have never seen those maps before.  
Thanks much for the links to those maps.  It really helps me to 
understand the scope of "Manifest Destiny" of the US Government.  I'm 
surprised they didn't "acquire" all of Mexico.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>

here are a couple more pages. of the 1785 Census. joseph ps: Arturo if the format is not correct let me know ASAP

Attachment:
1785ColotlanCensus_P89-91.xls

Description: MS-Excel spreadsheet

1. Enter Archivos Espanoles en Red
  You will need to create an account if you do not yet have one.  Go to
  http://www.aer.es and click on "Alta de Usuario".  Fill in all of the
  required information and when you reach the last fields "usuario" and
  "contrasena" make sure that your username/usuario is no longer than 10
  characters... one of the many arbitrary restrictions of the site.

[[[[[[[[[[[[Arturo its been a long time and from what I remember it was
more challenging that this to get started.

Here is the url that give more details on the Subscribing process:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/Archivos%20Espanoles%20en%20Red/
http://www.ldelpino.com/aeren.html   ]]]]]]]]]]]]]

2. Log into AER and find document
  Log in using your username and password.  You must click on the "Aceptar"

text under the password field. Simply hitting enter will not work.
Once
logged in mouse over the "busqueda" menu heading on the upper left.
Click

  on the "Busqueda por Signatura" heading on the third box from the top.

3. The "Busqueda por Signatura" box will open up.  In the "Signatura
  Incompleta" field, enter "SGU,7015,2" and click on the "Buscar" button to
  the right of the "Signatura Incompleta" field.

4. When the document appears, click on the camera icon to its right.
This will

  open up the document image in a new window.

5. If entering names, proceed to step 6. If entering text, proceed to
step 7.

6. When entering names, the prefered format is in an Excel file where
each of
the following fields are entered in a separate column with one row
per name.

  Rancho/locality as well as page will obviously be repeated for a large

number of rows, so they can simply be entered in the first row for
the page

Victor, Alicia, Joseph et. al.

I have created a folder in the files section for Ranchos that has 
instructions on how to do the transcription of the Colotlan Census.  
It is at the end of member genealogy folders.

Joseph has volunteered to take pages 90 to 100.  These pages are all 
names.  There are names and text interspersed through about page 130, 
so Victor, if you can take pages 101-110 and Alicia, if you can take 
pages 111-120, I will take pages 121-130.

If there are others interested in doing transcription, the remainder 
of the document is mostly text.  Please write me an email and I will 
assign a piece to you.






--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> 
wrote:
>
> There is a 1785 Census of the Colotlan region that is held at the 
> Archives of Simanca in Spain and has bee digitized.
> 
> I was thinking that perhaps we could get a few volunteers from the 
> group to help transcribe it and then perhaps even publish it.  I 
think 
> it would be very useful for many people in the group and as far as 
I 
> know, it has not previously been published.
> 
> The document can be found on Archivos Espanoles en Red at:
> 
> ES.47161.AGS/19.8//SGU,7015,2
> 
> Let me know if you are interested in helping out on this project.
>

Arturo,

Not sure if I can meet your standards but I can give it a try.  Give
me a few pages that nobody is currently working on and what are the
team guidelines we have to follow.  

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
>
> There is a 1785 Census of the Colotlan region that is held at the 
> Archives of Simanca in Spain and has bee digitized.
> 
> I was thinking that perhaps we could get a few volunteers from the 
> group to help transcribe it and then perhaps even publish it.  I think 
> it would be very useful for many people in the group and as far as I 
> know, it has not previously been published.
> 
> The document can be found on Archivos Espanoles en Red at:
> 
> ES.47161.AGS/19.8//SGU,7015,2
> 
> Let me know if you are interested in helping out on this project.
>

Wow Elvira, you are just a wealth of information.  It's no wonder, 
though, it sounds like you've been researching for over 25 years.  
Too bad you don't live in the Sacramento, CA area so that you could 
meet with the group of us Rancho members who are getting together 
next month.  We have some really talented and experienced researchers 
attending this first meeting, but you (and several others) would be 
such a great addition. 

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "elviraz" <elviraz@e...> wrote:
>
> Jose Roman:
> 
> 
> What you are suggesting is exactly what I did for the town of San 
Juan de Guadalupe, Durango.  I had been trying to get info from there 
for about  25 years and the priests would not relent.  The registro 
civil was okay but that was it. I found out that the LDS church would 
pay for the microfilming and I started campaigning.  I was fortunate 
to meet the president of the Sociedad Genealogica del Norte de Mexico 
(Benicio Sanchez). I told  him my situation and he started 
campaigning  with both the San Juan  de Guadalupe and the registro 
civil  to obtain permission to film the records. They were filmed 
about 2 and a half years ago and are now in the LDS library.  I 
really wanted them filmed because a big chunk of my family settled 
there over 200 years ago.  
> 
> It took me about five years of campaigning and educating the 
priests about what microfilming is and  selling the idea of 
preservation. I had to hard sell the fact that the Mormon Church 
would pay for the process.  Besides the priests, I talked to whomever 
would listen. It paid off!  Now I don't have to go there as often to 
research.  I can now do most of the research  just by going to the 
family history library here. Now I will be going to other places.
> 
> I wish everybody knew about this program.   The basic information I 
had to give for Sanchez to verify  my story was the name of the town, 
what records I had identified as not having been filmed yet, points 
of contact (names of the priest in charge, civil registrar's name, 
addressses and phone numbers).  I also included comments as to how 
predisposed I thought they were to the microfilming.  I wanted to 
make everything as easy as posssible.  
> 
> Elvira
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: José Román González López 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 7:56 PM