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I have some copies of the sister of my GGGGGG Grandfather Joseph Madera (1684 - 1734). Her name is "Manuela Madera" Copy of her bautismo June 23, 1686:

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Manuela Madera (1686 - 1738)

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Here is another reference about "de Antonio De Los Angeles"

My GGGGGGG Grandparents Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709) and Maria De La Candelaria Angon (1655 - 1735) were padrinos in year 1686 to "Pablo de Antonio De Los Angeles"

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First they have a daughter "Manuela de Antonio De Los Angeles" where her surname is Madera. Now they are padrinos to a Pablo de Antonio De Los Angeles.

Is "Antonio De Los Angeles" a place?

Manuela Madera (1686 - 1738)

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I found a reference that "San Antonio De Los Angeles" is a rancho. Here is someone that says:

"Nicolas mestizo rancho de antonio de los angeles"
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Manuela Madera - (sister of my GGGGGG Grandfather Joseph Madera) and daugher of my GGGGGGG Grandparents Antonio Madera and Maria De La Candelaria Angon:

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Source is "Bautismos 1667-1686 Matrimonios 1667 - 1686 Defunciones 1668-1686" of San Juan Bautista of Mezquitic Catholic Church records.

Since my GGGGGGG Grandparents have also been mentioned residing in Minillas...is Rancho De San Antonio De Los Angeles a rancho under jurisidicion of Minillas?

Manuela Madera (1686 - 1738)

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As it turns out, Manuela's husband Christobal de Robles is brother to my ancestor, Juan.

Rosalinda

Manuela Madera (1686 - 1738)

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do you know if candelaria had a last name or not?

Manuela Madera (1686 - 1738)

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No, that's how her name is written, "Maria De La Candelaria" nothing more. Also don't know who her parents are. Thanks Katy for asking.

Manuela Madera (1686 - 1738)

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Maria de la Candelaria's last name is Angon. Have a look at the right side of this image, which is from a dispensation of a descendant of Antonio and Maria de la Candelaria's daughter, Maria (she is married to Antonio Navarrete):

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18412-32650-77?cc=1874591&wc…

The dispensation begins here (it's for Joseph Manuel de Castilla and Maria Guadalupe de la Trinidad de Robles, a descendant of Maria Manuela and her husband, Christobal Robles:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18412-33093-74?cc=1874591&wc…

My Madera ancestor is Lorensa Madera, wife of Juan Martin Suares del Real.

I hope this helps!

Rosalinda

Manuela Madera (1686 - 1738)

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interesting rosalinda. i wonder how our ancestor lorenza madera relates to antonio madera. all I know is that lorenza's mother's name is francisca avila

also maybe 'los angeles' refers to santa maria de los angeles.

Manuela Madera (1686 - 1738)

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I've reviewed Madera's research, and I'm fairly certain that Lorenza is connected to this Madera family. Apparently, one of his ancestors married into the Avila family, just like Lorenza's unnamed father. This unnamed man most likely is a son/brother of Antonio Madera and Maria de la Candelaria Angon.

I thought that "Los Angeles" could refer to Maria de los Angeles, but it could also refer to some ranch named "Los Angeles" that is now lost to history.

Madera: do you have a document showing the connection between Joseph Madera and his parents, Antonio Madera and Maria de la Candelaria Angon?

Rosalinda

Manuela Madera (1686 - 1738)

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Thank you Rosalinda! Regarding my ancestor that married into the Avila family? That is my GGGGG Grandfather Blas Madera who married Maria Theresa Avila. They resided in Minillas then they moved over to Rancho De Los Madera of Huejuquilla El Alto where they had two sons Francisco Madera (1723 - 1790) and Lazaro Madera. I am branched from Francisco Madera.

Regarding Xristobal Robles with Manuela Madera:

It is image(page) 129 of (Bautismos 1701-1721) of San Juan Bautista, Mezquitic , Church Records:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18739-76636-87?cc=1874591&wc…

I am so grateful that you found the surname of my GGGGGGG Grandmother Maria De La Candelaria (1655 – 1735) and it is Angon. I vaguely remember seeing that surname “Angon” when I was looking at the archive of “Cofradias 1632 – 1700” of Huejuquilla El Alto which is nearby Minillas Mezquitic where my GGGGGGG Grandparents (Antonio Madera 1660 – 1709?, Maria De La Candelaria

Maria de la Candelaria Angon

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Madera (sorry-- I don't know your first name):

Do you have a document showing the connection between Joseph Madera and his parents, Antonio Madera and Maria de la Candelaria Angon?

I suspect people with the last name Angon are related to each other; it's an unusual last name, in an area which was sparsely populated. How she is connected to Joan de Angon, I couldn't say, but Joan was an old way of spelling Juan. Since the Cofradias image is from 1633, Maria de la Candelaria may be a daughter or granddaughter of this Joan de Angon. Perhaps there is a will somewhere that may make this clear.

I have two additional Angon women in my tree:

Luisa de Angon, married to Leonardo Sanches Castellanos

Maria de Angon, married to Nicolas de Rojas Vertis

The last name Angon may also be spelled as Argon; I have

Francisco Antonio Argon, married to Maria Josefa Dolores de Avila

Francisca de Argon, married to Xptobal Ortiz

The time frame makes it difficult to find documents to help us, although

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Maria de la Candelaria Angon

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Here is a difunto record of my GGGGGG Grandfather Joseph Madera of year 1734:

Marriage record of my GGGGG Grandfather Blas Madera with Maria Theresa Avila and it shows that Joseph Madera, Josepha Velasquez are the parents of Blas Madera:

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Marriage record of my GGGG Grandfather Francisco Madera in the year 1760 who got married with Maria Leocadia Huizar in Huejuquilla El Alto. It states he is the son of Blas Madera and Maria Theresa Avila. This is the time period when there was a move from Minillas to Huejuquilla.

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-27558-8?cc=1874591&wc=…

Francisco Madera also had a brother name Lazaro Madera. I have posted them in nuestrosranchos in the past. They resided in Rancho De Los Maderas of Huejuquilla El Alto.

I am curious that you found the information in an archive of Guaddalajara. I

Maria de la Candelaria Angon

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The marriage dispensas were sent to the Diocese as couple were required to obtain them under certain circumstances (either blood or spiritual relationship, from another location, or some other reason). The film images I reference are the Diocesan copy, although I have seen some of the local parishes keep a copy, but many don't. I've not seen any bautismo records in the dispensas, although sometimes a copy is made from the local parish's records if it is needed for the dispensa.

These dispensas hold great genealogical information; sometimes the information can help expend a tree during a time when other records are difficult to find, like the dispensa I linked for you: that dispensa showed how two branches descend from the main couple, Antonio Madera and his wife, Maria de la Candelaria Angon.

There are many other kinds of archives that haven't digitized their records, which means a personal visit is in order, if possible. Arturo Ramos, who runs this website, once identified land and

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Maria de la Candelaria Angon

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I know a guy in Coahuila whose second surname is Angon. I don't know where does his family come from.
Victoriano Navarro

Maria de la Candelaria Angon

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umm how does leonardo sanchez castellanos relate to nicolas sanchez castellanos

Manuela Madera (1686 - 1738)

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Here is a baptismo (year 1713) where it clearly says "Padrinos Juan Madera y su hermana Maria Manuela Madera, espanoles"

petronila de moctezuma

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estimados compañeros de este foro
un cordial saludos

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petronila de moctezuma

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Saludos, hasta ahora que yo sepa, todavia no ha salido nada nuevo sobre Petronila de Moctezuma. Estamos todavia esperando el libro postumo de Guillermo Tovar de Teresa con la esperanza de que se mencione algo al respecto. Estoy seguro que cuando se encuentre el documento que demuestra los padres de Petronila, va a ser un gran revuelo en esta pagina, ya que muchos somos descendientes de ella y de Martin Navarro.

Saludos,

Steve in NC

petronila de moctezuma

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
buen dia Steve g Apodaca
gracias por responderme el mensaje
entonces no se ha publicado el libro todavía
entonces estaremos al pendiente
estamos en contacto
saludos

Ancestors of Romo de Vivar's

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The book will have more information than just Petronila Moctezuma's parents names. GTT's book should also include information on Romo de Vivar ancestors in Rielves in Spain.

R.A.Ricci

General Digest, Vol 107, Issue 7

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Estoy buscando informacion sobre mi antepasado Pedro de Ledesma casado con Isabel del Grado el es originario de Zamora España nacido en 1515.

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Rubio o Pelirrojo?

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Solo quiero añadir una pequeña nota, originalmente Rubio denota a una persona pelirroja, el termino actual fue el resultado de el uso incorrecto de la palabra para denotar a cualquier persona de cabello claro y también de piel rosada a través de la historia, Rubio es igual que la palabra Rubicundo y existen mas palabras asociadas las cuales en la actualidad siguen denotando el color rojo, como Rubí, Rubeola, Rubor, etc.

En documentos antiguos es difícil definir a que color realmente se refieren.

RJ Quiralta

Spanish Abbreviations Assistance

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Hello, I am trying to decipher the difference in the following abbreviations, or if they actually mean the same thing just written differently?

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Padrinos

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Ok, great! thank you. Appreciate the help!

I thought that might be it, but was not sure.

Kristine

Padrinos

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P.P. is definitely Padrinos in many of the records I've looked at. I suspect P.nos is also padrinos, but it would be helpful to see it in context.

Incidentally, some abbreviations I've often seen mistaken or un-noticed:
7bre = Septiembre (September used to be the 7th month, when the year began in March)
Some reseachers have mistaken the 7 for an F and concluded Febrero but it really is 7bre.
8bre = Octubre
9bre = Nobiembre
M (in the margin of the record) = Mujer, often the only clear indication of gender.
H (in the margin of the record) = Hombre ... frequently seen in christening records.
Stuart Armstrong

Padrinos

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Hello Stuart, Thank you for your response. Here are the links for the three records I am looking at. All three have Bernardo Roman for the father and two have Ysavel Ortis and the last one has Ysavel Leogarda.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15048-14522-68?cc=1804458&wc… Bottom right of the page, second to the bottom for Joseph Roman-father Bernardo Roman

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15280-10707-55?cc=1804458&wc… Bottom left of the page, last entry. For Josepha Crestina Roman, father Bernardo Roman

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15048-13156-70
Bottom left hand of the page, last entry. For Joseph Bicente Roman, father Bernardo Roman.

Kristine

Padrinos

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Yes, I'm convinced those are padrinos in all three records. The order is often important - scribes usually wrote the details in the same order each time. Also, the phrase "á quién(es) adbertí su(s) obligación(es) y parentesco espiritual" is also a clue that it's talking about the godparents and their obligations.
Stuart Armstrong

Spanish Abbreviations Assistance

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Hi there,

This site https://script.byu.edu/Pages/Spanish/en/abbrPtoT.aspx is very helpful in deciphering some of the documents I come across. Hope it helps!

-Erika

Spanish Abbreviations Assistance

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Erica, thank you for the link. I have used that site before, and it is helpful. It's a good tool to have. The abbreviations I am looking for are not all on there though.

Hernandez family

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Hello my name is Ernestina Hernandez Sierra. It has been awhile since I've worked on my family tree due to serious illness in the family. Currently I am researching the Hernandez family.

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Hernández Gamiño de La Ordeña

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Hernandez family

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Your grandfather is José Ambrocio. Ambrocia is a female's name. Some men to do have names such as José María but your grandfather's baptismal record clearly has him as J. Ambrocio (José Ambrocio). https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-22578-52

La Ordeña is a ranch in Arandas, Jalisco which is next to San Diego de Alejandría where your grandfather was baptized. You can see a map of where it is located at http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/mapas/la-ordena-7 and it is very close to the ranch Manuel Martínez Valadez http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/mapas/manuel-martinez-valadez-agua-neg… . You can compare it with a map of Arandas that has larger ranches with small black squares and you can see the ranch Manuel Martínez Valadez in the top right close to the border of San Diego de Alejandría at http://iieg.gob.mx/contenido/GeografiaMedioAmbiente/Arandas_MBase2013.j…

La Ordeña means dairy farm but they also use it for a name in this case. Ordeñar means to extract milk and it most

Hernandez family

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Thanks so much Armando. I was thinking maybe the DNA testing would be of help. What do you think. My family seems to have lived in other parts of Jalisco also. What do you think and what would be your recommendation for the DNA test

Tina Eley

Hernandez family

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Hi Armando.
This is first time I have seen the last part of the name Gamino Valdivia after the Hernandez. What does this mean? Should I be using this in my research going forward? I want to thank you and Nuestros Ranchos for having such a wonderful site.

Tina Eley

Hernandez family

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Tina Eley

Hernandez family

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Tina Eley

Hernandez family

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Hello Tina,

The surname Hernández Gamiño is a compound surname. The patriarch of the Hernández Gamiño line can be read about at http://historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/macias.html#num9

Juan de Dios Hernández Gamiño Valdivia is named that way because in México it is customary to use the paternal and the maternal surname. Hernández Gamiño is his compound paternal surname and Valdivia is his maternal surname (This is called the mother's maiden name in the U.S.).

There are two people in the Nueva Galicia DNA project that belong to that line and have the same Y-DNA. If you wanted to see if one of your close male relatives with the Hernández surname matches them then yes a Y-DNA37 test will show that.

I imagine you are still going to want to find documentation for that line and you need to find all of the Hernandez dispensas at http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/ and http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/

A Google search at the second one is the easiest way to find the

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NR58-9ZV

Hernandez family

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Hi Armando,
Thanks for you reply. There is just so much to understand about Mexican genealogy and I have a lot to learn. I am attaching the baptism record for Jose Andres Hernandez Arias which shows his parents and grandparents along with his padrinos. I question whether the Juan Francisco
Hernandez and petrona de la Torre from Arandes are the Hernandez I am looking for because all the Hernandez's I have found to be related are from the Cerro Gordo and La Ordena, near San diego de Alejandria, Jalisco.

This is the baptism record for Andres Hernandez

thanks for all your help
Tina

Hernandez family

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Tina,

I guess this is where you learn that many times men would move away from their birth town to marry and they would live close the family of the wife. This is also where you learn that the names of towns have changed, haciendas have become towns, and jurisdictions have changed. Most of that happened after the independence of Mexico.

The digitized image of the baptism of José Andrés is at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18562-43844-45

It shows that he was baptized in the town of Tepatitlán and born in the ranch or hacienda Cerro Gordo. It also shows that his grandparents were Juan Francisco Hernández and Petrona de la Torre. Petrona is the same as Petra.

Cerro Gordo was once part of Tepatitlán. It is now a town and it is now called San Ignacio Cerro Gordo.

Juan Francisco Hernández and Petra de la Torre baptized Juan de Dios 16 Aug 1790 in the town of Tepatitlán. He was born in San Antonio Cerro Gordo.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18574-67352-52

Juan

Hernandez family

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Hi Armando
Holy moly!! I searched and searched for Juan Francisco and Petra's marriage record to no avail. So thank you very much. Do you know of any stories related to this family. I did see a note that they were notorious for marrying within the family.

I saw on the one site you sent me that Cristobal Hernandez Gamino was born in Caceres Extramadura, Spain. It is ironic because I had just finished reading and article on this area in the AAA magazine.

Armando, is there a place that I can go to so that I can learn more about mexican geanology so that I can become more proficient in my research???
Tina Eley

Hernandez family

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Tina,

All of the Spanish families would marry relatives in order to marry another person with Spanish ancestry. This allowed them to maintain a higher status in society than being a mestizo. Since there was a limited number of Spanish families to marry they ended up marrying second and third cousins sometimes. Out of the marriage records I provided you only one of them mentioned marrying a 2nd cousin once removed.

It was Domingo Hernández Gamiño that was born in Trujillo, Cáceres, Extremadura. It was not Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño. I had given you the site that states it. http://historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/macias.html#num9

About 60% of our ancestors were born in Extremadura or Andalucía based on records of immigration and declarations by our ancestors. The Hernandez Gamiño line is positive for the western European markers P312 and L21.

This is the best place to learn about Mexican genealogy, especially for your ancestors. Most site will talk about something other

Hernandez family

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Hello,
I was wondering if there would be any photos of some of the Hernandez family out there??

Tina Eley

Mendozas from 1700's San Luis Potosi

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I was wondering if anyone might be able to assist me in continuing my research into the Mendoza family surname.

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Salvador Mendoza marries Bruna gamez 27 May 1812.jpg (1.45 MB)

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Re: Mendozas from 1700's San Luis Potosi

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Hi David,

I did a quick search on FamilySearch, I haven’t pulled any of the records, but here’s some little leads that might help you.

Juan Nicolas Mendoza was married to Maria Dorotea Serda, aka Maria Dorotea de Oballe (Ovalle). I haven't found their marriage nor parents, but I found baptism records for 6 possible children, between the years 1802 and 1819, in San Geronimo.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMH6-WGM
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLVZ-R85
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLV7-BYX
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMHD-SXN
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMHD-SXK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NK71-D3R

You'll want to pull these records and check ranchos & padrinos.

Keep running searches using both "Maria Dorotea de la Serda" and "Maria Dorotea de Oballe." A prominent surname in Nueva Galicia is "Lopez de la Serda," so you might want to try running searches giving her the surname "Lopez."

Maria Bruna Gamez’s parents were Jose Simon

Re, Re: Mendozas from 1700's San Luis Potosi

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Mr Hermosillo,
Many thanks. A lot of this information I did have but there are definitely some new leads that I you have presented. Many thanks and I will let you know how these all work out. Thanks again

General Digest, Vol 107, Issue 5

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Hola Primo Armando, gracias por la informacion, lo de mi ADN fue hecho hace
varios anos, desde cuando empezaron al publico.

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General Digest, Vol 107, Issue 5

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Hola Raul,

Las tres compañías principales que hacen análisis de ADN han actualizado
los resultados de todos los participantes en los últimos dos años. Si te
hiciste el análisis con una de esas compañías deberías volver a ver tus
resultados porque estoy casi 100% seguro que ya no te tienen con 80% de ADN
de Escandinavia y Alemania. Si no te has hecho una prueba con una de esas
compañías la deberías hacer para que veas resultados validos y no los
resultados erróneos que nos estas proporcionando.

La razón que hacen las pruebas diferente hoy comparado con antes es que
antes estaban totalmente equivocados en ciertas cosas y se dieron cuenta de
su error. Por eso tuvieron que actualizar los resultados de todos los
participantes en las tres compañías.

Por favor enséñame los estudios que tienen las cifras de 48% ADN Alemán
entre los mexicanos. Yo no he visto esos estudios y te podré comprobar que
no son estudios validos en caso que realmente dicen eso.

Si sabia la historia de los visigodos

Matrimonio 1749 Segundo Conde Miguel Del Berrio y Ana Maria De La Campa y Cos of Hacienda San Mateo, Valparaiso

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It is image (page) 257 of Matrimonios 1676 - 1829 of Diocese De Guadalajara Catholic Church Records:

Website with dates towns founded by spanish in the Americas

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http://cachanilla69.blogspot.com/p/cronologia-de-fundacion-de-ciudades-…

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Website with dates towns

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Interesante. Segun este listado, el pueblo donde estan la mayoria de mis lineas, Zacoalco de Torres, fue fundado en 1524.

Aygre

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A death record (1798) says an infant died of "Aygre". What is that? Same as Aigre? What does it mean? The only two definitions I've found don't help me much. One is "Flujo impetuoso del mar".

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Aygre

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Aigre is an old way of saying aire, air. "Darle a alguien un aire" (le dio un aire, me dio un aire, etc.) means that someone gets sick for being hit by cold air outside after being warm inside the house (like going out after taking a warm shower). I've heard it in the context of getting part of the face temporarily paralyzed. According to the RAE dictionary, the expression means to get a paralysis attack.
http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=aire
Aire means air or wind.
Victoriano Navarro

Aygre

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Interesting input. Thank you. The death happened to an infant of 19 months in April. Someone else I know thought it meant air as in bloating or gas - from severe indigestion. It is hard to imagine what they were thinking in those days, as they described what to them was perfectly understood. Any other ideas?

Stuart Armstrong

Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations

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http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

This is not about genealogy but I wanted to help spread the word about this project that Rosa’s daughter is working on.

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Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on La

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I would suggest she contact the migrant education program in California. They work directly with many students across the state and might be able to put her in contact with families who have been affected by this type of situation. She can Google them and find their info. It is a national program.

Good luck!

Jessica

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This is not about genealogy but I wanted to help spread the word about this project that Rosa’s daughter is working on. You all know I don’t abuse my privileges often so feel free to delete this email unless you happen to know someone who can help.

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Joseph

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Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on La

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what a wonderful project to share and help get the stories needed. I wish I knew someone who could do this.Linda Castanon-Long

From: Joseph Puentes
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Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:23 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations

This is not about genealogy but I wanted to help spread the word about this project that Rosa’s daughter is working on. You all know I don’t abuse my privileges often so feel free to delete this email unless you happen to know someone who can help.

Thanks,

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

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Hi Joseph!

I hope

Características raciales de los alteños de origen español

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En varias ocasiones leí que un obispo de la Nueva Galicia, tal vez Alonso de la Mota y Escobar, visitó la región que ahora conforman los Altos de Jalisco y describió a su población española como

FW: December 2014 Issue of Somos Primos

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Francisco de Orozco ?

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Hola Members ,I am trying to see how many Francisco de Orozcos there are cause I am getting confused.

Was "Minillas" of Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico a "Hacienda?"

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http://oi58.tinypic.com/s58mc7.jpg

I found this reference where it mentions "De La Hacienda De Minillas"

Diego Ruiz-Nunes and Catalina or Luisa Catalinia Delgadillo

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I've advanced my Ruiz line to Diego Ruiz-Nunes, md to Luisa or Catalina
Delgadillo, by way of their son, also Diego Ruz-Nunes and his wife, Anna
Gonzalez de Hermosillo, natural daughter of Pedro Gut

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Ruiz Names

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Raquel,

Do you have the following in your Ruiz Family Tree:

Eduardo Ruiz married Anastacia Hinojosa

Children:
Martin Ruiz (b.around 1872) married Gregoria Valdez (b. around 1888)
Hipolito Ruiz
Marcial Ruiz
Victor Ruiz
Aleja Ruiz

Martin Ruiz (my maternal great grandfather) Children:
Petra
Sebastiana b. 1914 (my maternal grandmother)
Jose Bernave
Todocia b. 29 May 1921
Rufina
Crecensia
Francisco

Thanks,
Rosalva

Ruiz Names

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Rosalva, Sorry, I just saw this posting. I do not have these Ruizes, so I don't think they are in my direct line. I note cousins when they come up but don't actively look for them.

Raquel

Diego Ruíz Núñez...

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Carlos Peredo

Hello Raquel,

I haven´t researched Diego Ruíz Núñez but I have a guess that he may be a son of Pedro Ruíz de Velasco y Haro Navarrete born ca 1588 in Ayamonte, Spain and Anna Núñez Bohórquez also from Ayamonte, this couple married around 1615 and had the following documented children:

Pedro Ruíz de Haro y Velasco Navarrete b20-nov-1618 in Mexico City

Mencía Ruíz de Velasco y Haro born around 1630, she married Diego Hernández Gamiño y Gómez de Espejo circa 1650 (probably in León, Gto or Aguascalientes)

María Ruíz de Velasco Núñez who married Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño in León, Gto in 1653

Chronology fits very well because Diego Ruíz Núñez must have been born around 1620, marry Catalina Delgadillo around 1645 and then their son Diego Ruíz Núñez II could have been born around 1650 and marry Ana González de Hermosillo around 1675, so their first son Blas was baptized on feb, 6th 1676.
I think we will know soon if this hipothesis is correct or not.

Carlos A. Peredo

Diego Ruiz Nunez

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Carlos, I'm embarrassed to day that I just saw your email, a year late. I have not had the time to do much genealogy research, but I'm trying to get back to it. I will keep my eye out a connection with Pedro Ruiz de Velascdo y Haro Navarrete and Anna Nunez Bohorquez. A very belated thank you.

Raquel

Pruebas de ADN

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Hola a todos,

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Pruebas de ADN

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Hola Enrique,

Que bueno que se te esta interesando esto. Los de The Genographic Project
no pueden enviar un kit de ADN a México. Solo FamilyTreeDNA tiene la
posibilidad de enviar un kit a México que consiste de dos hisopos. Los kits
de las otras compañías consiste de tubos de colección en que se tiene que
escupir y se me hace que es por eso que no se pueden enviar a México.

En ciertas cosas The Genographic Project es mejor aún casi cualquier
resultado que hubieras podido obtener con esa prueba podrás obtener con las
varias pruebas de FamilyTreeDNA. A la vez hay resultados que se pueden
obtener con FamilyTreeDNA que no se puede obtener con The Genographic
Project. Eso aunque es el mismo laboratorio en Houston mantenido por
FamilyTreeDNA.

Hay un descuento en las pruebas de FamilyTreeDNA hasta el 31 de diciembre y
hay cupones que te podré conseguir para que te salga todavía mas barata las
pruebas. Tengo un cupón de $25 que expira mañana.

La prueba del ADN autosómico se llama Family

Pruebas de ADN

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Armando,

I can't understand Spanish very well, but what I can understand of your message below is that the FTDNA and Nat Geo results are different, but I thought that since both groups use the same lab, that you could instruct one or the other to share your DNA in order to get the results, no? You have to give your permission to share your DNA with other groups so they can run their tests for the other group.

I feel sad that I can't take advantage even of the discount for advanced tests since our disposable income for December was used up yesterday in furnace repairs that we need due to our snow and 20 degree weather.

From time to time I do get a notice from FTDNA that they have another match for me, but I find the website hard to maneuver, so I will have to ask the manager of my account to investigate for me. So far, they have been people who live in New Mexico where my mother's ancestors have lived for hundreds of years since our haplogroup is C, Native American, Pre

Pruebas de ADN

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Emilie,

FTDNA and Nat Geo results are different due to several factors. One is that
they use fewer SNP markers for the autosomal DNA. Another is that they
don't use STR markers for the Y-DNA. I'm not sure of the specifics for the
mtDNA. None of the Nat Geo tests allows for finding matches even after a
kit is transferred. When the Geno 2.0 results are transferred to
FamilyTreeDNA the Y-DNA SNPs haplogroup and the mtDNA haplogroup are
transferred. To find matches on the Y-DNA, autosomal DNA or mtDNA those
services have to be purchased separately but they get the DNA from the Geno
2.0 sample and reprocess it.

I understand your situation with the disposable income being used up for
home repairs. It happens to us all at different points in our life. Maybe
next year when there is another sale.

DNA testing still hasn't become very popular in Mexico like it is here.
Maybe in a few more years it becomes more popular and an Olague shows up.

Armando

2014-11-29 18:42 GMT-06:00 Emilie Garcia

Pruebas de ADN

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Hola Armando,

Te agradezco la información y tu atención por lo del cupón.

Acabo de hacer una llamada con una amiga genealogista y me dice que ella pudo realizar la prueba por medio de The Genographic Project y no tuvo problemas para el envío. No sé si la razón de que ya se pueda sea porque el kit ya viene con dos hisopos, tal como comentabas.

Consideré los detalles que me decías de FamilyTreeDNA y chequé de nuevo los precios pero aún con el cupón, que te agradezco me los hayas ofrecido, el precio de The Genographic Project sigue siendo más accesible para las 3 pruebas combinadas y me sigue pareciendo una buena opción.

Espero, pueda realizar el proceso sin mayor problema y ya les compartiré mi experiencia para que en ese caso nuestros compañeros del foro que viven en México puede considerar entre las dos opciones.

Saludos,
Enrique

PBS Finding Your Roots

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I just watched the show (I'm on the East Coast). It was excellent!

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PBS Finding Your Roots

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Dr. Gates mentioned he used three labs. Maybe there is a way to find out which ones he used. I think FTDNA lab has a place on their website to ask questions about their different tests.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:29:36 -0500
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Finding Your Roots
>
> I just watched the show (I'm on the East Coast). It was excellent! I am
> wondering if Maria Cortez or anyone else can share how/where one goes about
> testing Native American DNA at the level described in this episode by
> Carlos Bustamante of Stanford University. Also, does anyone know how much
> African DNA one needs to have to be able to obtain more specific
> information re areas of origin in Africa than the larger regional areas
> provided by FTDNA? And where one would get it done? I looked at the
> 23andMe website but it didn't really offer much information.
>
> Hopefully this gets posted in time

PBS Finding Your Roots

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Testing Native American DNA at the level described in this episode by
Carlos Bustamante of Stanford University is not available by any of the
three labs. This has been confirmed by Cece Moore the DNA consultant for
the show. The three labs that Dr. Gates mentioned are FamilyTreeDNA,
Ancestry.com, and 23andme.

The Stanford Lab that Carlos Bustamante runs is the one that published the
academic study DOI: 10.1126/science.1251688 that has been commented on here
at NR before at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22310 If I remember
correctly, there are two authors in that study that are from Jalisco,
Andrés Moreno Estrada and Héctor Rangel Villalobos.

In that article you can see the divisions of the different Native American
groups. They use a program called Admixture as well as PCA (principal
component analysis) as well as TreeMix to find the differences between the
populations.

At the end of the article it has the following information: Access to the
MCCAS data set may be obtained

PBS Finding Your Roots

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I would think the more information you want the more expensive the series of tests are.
From: Emilie Garcia
To: "general@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Finding Your Roots

Dr. Gates mentioned he used three labs. Maybe there is a way to find out which ones he used. I think FTDNA lab has a place on their website to ask questions about their different tests.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

PBS Finding Your Roots

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No, the testing that Raquel was asking about is not currently available
through any of the DNA testing companies for any price. It's not a question
of price of why it isn't available. It's a lack of desire for
implementation up to this point.

Armando

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I would think the more information you want the more expensive the series
> of tests are.
> From: Emilie Garcia
> To: "general@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Finding Your Roots
>
> Dr. Gates mentioned he used three labs. Maybe there is a way to find out
> which ones he used. I think FTDNA lab has a place on their website to ask
> questions about their different tests.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
>
>

PBS Finding Your Roots

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Thank you for your responses. It sounds like our best option right now is
to encourage ftdna to expand their test offerings to include testing of
more distinct Native American groups, such as the testing shown on Finding
Your Roots.

Raquel

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Armando wrote:

> No, the testing that Raquel was asking about is not currently available
> through any of the DNA testing companies for any price. It's not a question
> of price of why it isn't available. It's a lack of desire for
> implementation up to this point.
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long
> longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I would think the more information you want the more expensive the series
> > of tests are.
> > From: Emilie Garcia
> > To: "general@nuestrosranchos.org"
> > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 11:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Finding Your Roots
> >
> > Dr. Gates mentioned he used three labs. Maybe there is a way to

PBS Finding Your Roots

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Yes, the best option right now is to send messages to FTDNA to encourage
them to implement the data set from Carlos Bustamante's lab for the Native
American ancestry from Mexico. If anyone is able to contact Bennett
Greenspan directly then that would be even better. The more people they
hear from the better. One average we have about 32% Native American DNA and
a lot of people have more than that including those in my own family. That
is such a large amount for Mexicans that data set should not be ignored. I
would think that we are also a significant minority in the FTDNA database.
If we let our voice be heard then they should take action sooner than
later.

Razib Khan is the one that did myOrigins and he left out some Native
American tribes that he shouldn't have. It caused the Native American
ancestry to be split with what is now called East Asia - Northeast Asia. So
that amount should be added with the New World - Native American for the
true Native American/Amerindian/Mexican

PBS Finding Your Roots

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do they also mistake native american for central and south asia too?

PBS Finding Your Roots

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Armando,

I e-mailed Dr. Greenspan when he first set up FTDNA, I forget what about now, but one thing I recall is that he said that the reason he started it was that he and other Jews wanted to know which class they belonged to, the highest being the priest class descending from Aaron, the brother of Moses. One Hispanic, a Catholic priest in New Mexico proved to be descended from one of that class, a hidden Jew in the New World. A former co-worker of mine, maiden name Cohen, told me her father was of the priest class, that he had been buried wearing a miter like popes wear. I will e-mail Mr. Greenspan and tell him of our concerns. Since I think you said that FTDNA is the only one sending kits to Mexico, he may already be interested in finding out how many Mexicans descend from hidden Jews that came to the New World, and what class they belong to.

Thanks for the info,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:11:10 -0600
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: general

PBS Finding Your Roots

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Hello Emilie,

I think that the reason the other DNA companies do not send kits to Mexico
is that Mexico won't allow the spit kits to be sent. The DNA collection
kits by Geno 2.0, AncestryDNA, and 23andme all consist of spitting into a
vial. I had called National Geographic at one time asking them why they
didn't ship to Mexico and they told me it was because Mexican customs
didn't allow it. The swabs that FTDNA uses seem to be allowed by the
Mexican customs to be sent there because there hasn't been any trouble with
multiple kits being sent there and returned.

What was stated to be proven might not actually be the case. That
conclusion was reached when Y-DNA testing was brand new and a lot of
assumptions were made with the limited data and testing that existed at the
time. There are a lot of things being learned with the BigY SNP testing,
FullGenomes testing and ancient DNA testing and a lot more will be learned
in the next 10 years. FTDNA also plans on releasing an SNP-pack for Y

PBS Finding Your Roots

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I made a mistake about the Geno 2.0 kit. It also uses cotton swabs. It is
only AncestryDNA and 23andme that uses a spit kit. I had to go dig up a kit
that my wife had used 2 years ago and the instructions were in it that
mentioned the cotton swabs. The package is even larger than the AncestryDNA
and 23andme packages which threw me off. Enrique corrected me that Geno 2.0
does send kits to Mexico. The service rep at Nat Geo that I spoke to over
the phone must not have known that the kit can actually be sent to Mexico.
The delivery info tab at
http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/browse/productDetail.jsp?product…
states Not available for shipment to Russia and Mexico.

Armando

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Armando wrote:

> Hello Emilie,
>
> I think that the reason the other DNA companies do not send kits to Mexico
> is that Mexico won't allow the spit kits to be sent. The DNA collection
> kits by Geno 2.0, AncestryDNA, and 23andme all consist of spitting into a
> vial. I

Jalpa Marriages, 1685-1712

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I have a partial transcription of Libro 80 from marriages in Jalpa
covering 1685-1712.

I'm hoping that you can identify some of the names listed below.

Website Down Morning of Saturday November 29

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Announcements and Events

The Nuestros Ranchos website will be taken down the morning of Saturday November 29 for approximately three hours.

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Website back up... technical issues not resolved

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The upgrade of the site this morning was NOT successful. We will be making another attempt tomorrow morning (Sunday November 30).

La actualización del sitio esta mañana no fue exitosa. Intentaremos mañana por la mañana (domingo 30 de noviembre).

Website back up... technical issues not resolved

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Sorry to learn. I'm certain the web site improvements will be worth the effort for all its many users.

Paul J Gomez
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:51 AM, moderator@nuestrosranchos.org wrote:
>
> The upgrade of the site this morning was NOT successful. We will be making another attempt tomorrow morning (Sunday November 30).
>
> La actualización del sitio esta mañana no fue exitosa. Intentaremos mañana por la mañana (domingo 30 de noviembre).

Nuestro Rancho's search

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For the past two weeks I have been putting names in the search field in an attempt to retrieve old postings that I want to update with my latest research. What pops up is "ERROR".

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Fixes to website

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The search function is half-functional again. Please note that the website has been experiencing some serious technical issues for the last three weeks as our web server provider upgraded the operating system on the server and the software running our website is not compatible. We will be rebuilding the website early tomorrow morning which should resolve many of these issues.

nuestrosranchos search

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Efectivamente it is not working at all. Hopefully someone will fix the problem

Nuevo or New Tag

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Hello,

Question, I noticed that when I post a new topic never comes up with the Tag "New" or "Nuevo". How do you make your post to come up with this tag?

Happy Thanksgiving!

Susana

Chavez y Banuelos (Tlaltenango)

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Hola,

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Chavez y Banuelos

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i know i've came accross a document linking bernarda, but i can't remember where at the moment. i think this doucment said she had a sister name josefa.

Bernarda Chavez y Banuelos

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Hi Katy,

Please let me know if you are able to find the document. The only thing that I have as a possibility is that Bernarda had a brother called Diego de Banuelos. He was the godfather to one of Bernarda's children (Juana Vela baptized on 26 Oct 1661).

Thank you so much for the clue

susana

Bernarda Chavez y Banuelos

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yeah i wonder if that diego banuelos is the same one who married maria benavides.
while i haven't found that record yet, i've also found a document linking josefa chavez and maria (clara) chavez as sisters(maria might have also went by the name clara. if so then there's a brother named juan, and their dad may have also went by the names juan and leonor).

Bernarda Chavez y Banuelos

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Katy,

This is what I have (all of them with documented source):

Capitan Juan de Chavez y Banuelos married Ysabel Soto y Almeida

Children:

Josepha de Chavez y Banuelos married to Joseph Sanchez Castellanos
Pedro de Chavez y Banuelos married to Agueda de Olague de la Torre
Maria de Chavez y Banuelos married to Juan de la Torre y Mojica

(then I have the document to link Josepha y Maria as sisters and daughters of Juan and Ysabel)

ON OTHER SIDE WITHOUT ABLE TO LINK THEM

Bernarda de Banuelos (Maybe Chavez y Banuelos) married to Thomas de Vela
Maybe with a brother Diego de Banuelos who was a godfather of one of the children with Phelipa Delgado. I don't know if Phelipa Delgado was his wife or not.

In my next post I will be posting all the sources for the family Juan de Chavez y Banuelos with just 3 of the children. (josepha, Pedro y Maria) Maybe you have another one.

Thank you for all the information

susana

Juan de Chavez y Banuelos and Ysabel de Soto y Almeida

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Sources for the family:

JUAN DE CHAVEZ Y BANUELOS AND YSABEL DE SOTO Y ALMEIDA (documents that mentioned them)

1. Archivo Parroquial/ Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara/Arzobispado de Nueva Galicia/ Guadalajara, Jalisco. Mexico., Dispensa Matrimonial Ildelfonso Thadeo Lopez de la Madriz y Ana de Escobedo Marzo 20, 1727. Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico (microfilm), LDS Family History Library. Film # 167994. 1725-1726 Matrimonios. vol sin/num (hojas sueltas, 1725)-sin/folio-rec 61.

2. Archivo Parroquial/ Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara/Arzobispado de Nueva Galicia/Guadalajara, Jalisco. Mexico, Dispensa Matrimonial Bernando Sanchez Castellanos e Ysabel de Guadalupe Utreta Junio 15, 1748. Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico (microfilm), LDS Family History Library. Film # 168006. 1748-1750 matrimonios. Vol sin/num (hojas sueltas 1748-1749)- sin/folio-rec 6.

3. Archivo Parroquial/La Inmaculada/ Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico, Certificado Matrimonial Pedro de Chavez y Banuelos y Agueda del Rio 8 dic 1681. Zacatecas