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Hi all--

Looking at the comments to the postings on the Nieto family, I wonder if my ancestor, Jose Manuel Francisco Nieto, who married Maria Rafaela Herrera in Pinos in 1754, descends from the same Nieto family. His parents are Joseph Nieto Corona and Maria de Mendosa y Balberde. In his marriage record, Jose Manuel Francisco is noted having been born in Pinzandaro, Michocan (I can't seem to locate records for this hacienda).

Does anyone recognize my ancestors?

Rosalinda

Bill,
Maria Castañeda, married to Pedro Nieto (Neto), is the daughter of Nicolas Castañeda and Antonia Vargas Moriano. Pedro is the son of Pedro Nieto y Josefa Corona. Their marriage information is dated June 1 1671 in Pinos, Zacatecas (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-25386-84?cc=1804458&wc…) and married June 24 1671 also in Pinos. The witnesses state that they are not related. If they were via Jacinta Sotomayor (Nieto), such relationship should have at the 5th degree or higher.

Sincerely

Jaime

Bill-

The Inf. Matrimonial for Pedro Nieto (el mozo) and Maria Castaneda is at: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-25386-84?cc=1804458&wc…

This record states in part:

Pedro Nieto hijo legitimo de Pedro Nieto, ya difunto, y de doña Josefa Corona, españoles...María de Castañeda española criolla del Real y Minas de la Pendencia hija legitima de Nicolás de Castañeda y de Ana de Vargas, españoles

Regards
Austin Perez

If you have a digital camera, take it with you and you can take photos of
each page that's of interest to you. The great thing about photographs is
that if you have photo editing software on your computer, you can come home
and edit them for clarity and enlarge or decrease, crop and save only the
sections that are of interest to you. It's a great way of saving a record.
What I have done is take post it's with me and write the film #, and the
pertinent information about the film and put the post it next to the record
and when you photograph the record, you also photograph the post it with
the traceability information on it and you have a method for identifying
the record.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca.

On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 6:26 PM, wrote:

> Today, I was looking at the microfilm of “Escrituras 1691 – 1638”
> Microfilm No. 0169054 at the LDS Family History Center.
>
> I only got through 1/4 of the film or 292 pages. The pages are not
> numbered so I manually kept track on what page I am on

Thank You for posting and sharing, I know it took time and patience.

Ruben

Hola,

Creo que esto te puede ayudar:
http://www.geni.com/people/Isabel-de-Anda-Altamirano-de-Castilla/600000…

Somos related.

Andy

Hi Anita

Below is a transcription of the marriage record with some edits.

Best Regards
Austin Perez

Blas Esteban Franco y Margarita de Aiala Liberata Diaz de Abrego, mestizos de esta feligresía en San Diego

En el pueblo de San Francisco de Tepatitlan en ocho días del mes de octubre de mil setecientos treinta y seis años, case por palabras de presente y vele in facie ecclesiae a Blas Esteban Franco, mestizo de esta feligresía en el puesto de San Diego, hijo legitimo de Pedro Franco y de Micaela Beserra, difunta, y a Margarita Liberata así mismo mestiza de dicha feligresía en el citado puesto, hija legitima de Augustin de Aiala y de Antonia Diaz de Abrego, difuntos…padrinos Luis Franco y Francisca Gonzales, su esposa

Hi Helen

I found Bernardo Menchaca's post very helpful:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20592

Here is some info which i posted on the romo femat family:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21346

Regards,
Denise Fastrup

Ahora que mencionan al Obispo de Aguascalientes, el Sr. José María de la Torre Martín, me gustaría decir que el es originario de Pegueros, una delegación del municipio de Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: as HOT as always
www.hotmailhotness.com.mx

Andres Gonzalez Rick you are a great person which no doubt in part came from your father. Warm hugs to you and your family. Andy

Linda, you may already have seen these, but thought I'd pass these on just in case.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15273-25099-6?cc=1804458&wc=…

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15261-20643-50?cc=1804458&wc…

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15261-19610-72?cc=1804458&wc…

FYI... Benito is married to my 5th great grand Aunt

Raul

This.

The discussion reminded me of one of my very favorite scenes in the movie "Selena," where Abraham Quintanilla, the father, is telling Selena and her brother, AB, about being Mexican-American as opposed to Mexican or American:

"We have to know John Wayne AND Pedro Infante. We have to know about Frank Sinatra AND Agustin Lara... We've got to prove to the Mexicans how Mexican we are, and we've got to prove to the Americans how American we are...both at the same time. It's exhausting!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw5bA8cVF-E

Recently, I saw another clip by Mexican-American comedian, Eddie G., about being "ni de aqui, ni de alla" while actually being from both backgrounds, living both cultures. I loved how he put it: "We're a force to be reckoned with. We don't fit in because we were BORN TO STAND OUT."

Sandra Velez

Gandalf3, Ha! You sound just like me. I grew up in the 50s, born in the 30s, mother of native NM stock, Piro tribe, and her people used that term "los del otro lado", Dad from Jerez. I remember no Spanish allowed in schools, and in California when my husband was a teenager, some "chicano" guys beat up a coach who seemed racist towards them, etc. Some cops were bad to them also, pulling them over for no reason. A cousin of mine in NM was told he couldn't use the swimming pool in the motel they were staying in, etc. and the stories go on and on. In order to fit in and progress, you have to immerse yourself in the dominant culture and language, and work to bring about changes, and the Mexicans south of the border don't understand that about us. We have progressed to the point that we can elect an African-American to our highest office, and they have not.

When I visited Mexico City with my husband to see his aunt, she would correct me about how to pronounce "Sears", that it was Seh

Well said but you did not post your name? Who do we thank for sharing this line of thought that reflects so much on many of us.. I'd forgotten the word Pocho, another put down..
 
When I was in my paternal ancestral home in Jerez, the locals destinguished between the families who left during the revolution, like mine, and those who stayed through the hard times. The locals who's ancestors stayed felt very proud and sad for those of us who's ancestors left.
 
Linda in B.C.

--- On Mon, 7/6/09, gandalf3.1@netzero.com wrote:

From: gandalf3.1@netzero.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Walking in Two Worlds
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 5:19 PM

I've been reading through some of the wonderful posts in regards to struggling with speaking Spanish and the challenges of living in two cultures , just some thoughts ;

I grew up in the U.S. in a small mining town located in southeastern Arizona . When my father's family left the villa in Los Altos , they

HOLA EDGAR

MUCHAS GRACIAS por los enlaces en tu post. No tenía el matrimonio de Cristóbal Sotelo y Juana Heredia. Espero con interés a leerlo! Estoy leyendo bautismos de Sagar. Metro. de la Ciudad de México al fin de los 1500s. Si encuentro algo de interés de linaje Moctezuma, yo sin duda compartirlo.

Sorry for my primitive Spanish!

Now in English...

THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the links in your post. I did not have the one for the marriage of Cristobal Sotelo and Juana Heredia. I look forward to (trying!) to read it. We know that Diego Sotelo married Maria Manuel de Portugal by 1559, so Cristobal must have been at least 35 years old when he married Juana, and they married in Mexico City. Perhaps this points to Petronila getting married in Mexico City as well??? I am browsing though baptisms in Sagr. Metro. for Mexico City in the late 1500s, on the offchance that she is mentioned as padrina for someone. If I find anything of interest for the topic of linaje Moctezuma, I will certainly

Los Arguelles es una familia cuya nobleza e hidalguia fue probada ante las debidas autoridades inumerables veces. Familias como estas conocian sus origenes, y no tenian miedo de mostrarlo ante el publico. Las fechadas en las casas, los blasones, etc. Familia con origen muy antigua en Asturias desde el siglo XIV. Podemos encontrar los varios pleitos de hidalguia en la Chancelleria de Valladolid donde presentan documentos de nobleza. Ahora, las lineas mejicanas. Este documento que mencionas dice que Don Fernando de Arguelles era del "Principado de Asturias," sabemos que es jurisdicion nobiliaria que le tradicionalmente le pertenece al heredero de la corona castellana, antes era D. Felipe de Borbon y Grecia, Principe de Asturias, Viana y Gerona, ahora es Felipe VI.

Hubo bastante Arguelles en todo Mejico durante el virreinato, la mayoria de los casos son comerciantes u oficiales de gobierno, algo en comun.

Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

"Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Prinicipado De Asturias", means he was
from Asturias in Spain
"de estado soltero" single
"de edad de beinte (sic) anos" 20 years
"no se le administraron los santos sacramentos por haber muerto
violentamente de una caída que le dio un caballo" he felt from a horse and
died :(

Julieta

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Objet : [Nuestros Ranchos] Arquelles Surname of Zacatecas?

Hi! I never realized this. But my woman partner is from the city of
Zacatecas. Her family have a friend named "Tomas Arguelles" who resides in
the City of Zacatecas but he is from "Monte Escobedo" near Mezquitic,
Jalisco

I remember people in nuestros ranchos telling me about the Arquelles Family
of Zacatecas after I had posted that I found a defunto record of Don
Fernando Arquelles

Elizabeth,

I have Sanchez-Banales in my archives, they are a family that appears to be in the Avalos-Guadalajara region during the XVII century. The oldest I have is about 1660, Don Alonso Sanchez Banales and his wife, Da. Margarita Ortiz de Zarate y Velasco--she was from Colima. They married in or nearby Sayula, where they established their family of numerous children. I descend from their daughter Micaela Sanchez Banales who had Francisca Xaviera Sanchez Banales--iligitimate child--her second great grandaughter married Lic. Luis de Hijar, the Magistrate of Guadalajara, my sixth great grandfather. I have only studied these lines a bit, but I could still do more research, from this line I know they are related to Enriquez Topete, the Sanchez de Aldana, Canedo and the Farchet.

Have you been able to locate Francisca Sanchez Banales? I still have her unlinked, she married into the Mayorazgo de Porres Baranda, this would be an important link to discover.

Could you share more on Juan