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Estimado Armando,

Quisiera saber tu opinión a cuanto la genealogía sobre los Hermosillo. He escuchado varias versiones de su genealogía. Tengo lo siguiente.

González de Hermosillo tiene su nobleza por línea agnada probada donde se encuentra asentados como hijosdalgos en los padrones de Hermosilla. Son hijosdalgo por sangre y linaje.

· Pedro Fernández de Hermosilla
· Alonso de Hermosilla casó a Catalina González hija de Tomás González
· Juan González de Hermosillo c Catalina Ramírez
· Juan González de Hermosillo c Isabel de Escobar hija del Conq. Juan de Burgos
· Juan González de Hermosillo b. 8 de Julio de 1571 en Asunción, Cd. De Méx. Casó a María Muñoz Cabeza de Vaca hija de Francisco Muñoz y de aquí nació la línea alteña.

Déjame saber si hay algún error.

Daniel

You might want to look in the 1930 Censo de Mexico in those Towns where
your ancestors are from to try to find your grandparents and siblings with
your GGrandparents. The Censo will tell you the ages of all the family
members so you can narrow down your search in finding marriage, birth,
christening, death records, etc... You might even get lucky and find your
GGGrandparents living in the same household or within the same town with
another family member
On Sep 20, 2013 12:25 AM, wrote:

> My name is Joe Lucio and i have been researching my father history for
> many months now. i have pin pointed the area of Michoacanejo, Tepusco,
> teochaltiche, villa hildago, los pocitos as well as rancho santo, Los
> Garcia. my great grandfathers are Florencio Lucio & Feliciano Reyes my
> great grandmothers M. Santos Calvillo & Clara Calvillo i am assuming their
> births were around the mid 1800's my grandparents are Felipe Lucio & Maria
> Jesus Reyes births cold be Late 1800's My Father is

Hi and welcome!

I have some Lucios in my family, but from Tepetongo. This is all I really have:

Manuel Lucio
b. abt 1804 Tepetongo, Zac.
m. Maria de Jesus Jaramillo

daughter: Maria de San Pablo Lucio
b. abt 1834
m. Prudencio Salinas
m. Jose Fabian Sebastian Sanchez

Laura Gonzalez

Much of this insight was given by Primo Arturo Ramos, our Nuestros Ranchos moderator. At a Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society Conference about 3 years in San Jose, Ca, he spoke on:

Matrilineal Naming Practices:
why and how family surnames were used.

There will be some or all of the family children who will use only the mother's surname. This is a common practice when the mother's pedigree comes from a wealthy or influential family. There are also some instances where a child's different surname is chosen from another generation. i.e. a grandfather or grandmother of either the father's or mother's pedigree. It was customary to name some of their children after their grandparents; except that they also included their grandparent’s surnames.

So one family's children's surnames could be 2, 3, or more different surnames. And then those children's grandchildren could revert back to their original surname.

Thanks, Arturo! 　

Jose Carlos de Leon

I can't say if it is accurate or not. Almost all genealogists have made mistakes, not necessarily the one that made the page you are talking about. His name is Salvador Cabral and he used to post here also. He has placed the genealogy on many websites including my favorite - www.geneanet.org

The geneanet page he created on Pedro Caldera and his indian wife is at http://gw5.geneanet.org/salvadorcabral?lang=es;p=pedro;n=caldera+de+vel…

In the pages on the Calderas he cites books by Thomas Hillerkuss as his source of info the following is also found "Otra de estas ventas la efectuó el capitán Miguel Caldera a don Diego de los Ríos Proaño el 31 de agosto de 1586 de las tierras que habí a entre Trujillo y el puesto de Momax, desde Huejuquilla a la Cienega Grande y desde el Tesorero a Tlaltenango, comprendiéndose el sitio d el Llano , Estancia Vieja o Coyotes, dos sitios arriba de la Cienega , otro al pie de la Sierra de Jomulco , Los Charcos; otro en el ataj o que del Fuerte va a

too bad most of the 1500 and 1600 ones available there aren't from the regions my ancestors were from.

Un momento de silencio con el público de pie en memoria de Guillermo Tovar de Teresa (1956-2013) precedió ayer el concierto de Sor Marie Keyrouz en la Catedral Metropolitana.

La excepcional labor en pro del Centro Histórico que realizó el historiador, coleccionista, bibliófilo y promotor cultural fue recordada por Fernando Estrada.

Christopher Barrios de Leon

Mr. Mendez,

I wanted to bring this wonderful tribute to don Guillermo to your attention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjnVthVXkWk

kind regards,

Nothing new here, but I have cleaned up the burial record of my 10th Grand Uncle for whomever would like to copy:

http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae280/PappyRod/deEsparzaLupeRuiz-Bur…

also, here is a copy of Jaime Holcome's record sheet:

http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae280/PappyRod/AnaFranciscaGabaydeMo…

Happy New Year to all,
Roy

Page 384, Catalogo de Pasajeros a Indias Durante los siglos XVI, XVII y XVIII. Archivo General de Indias Sevilla. Murcia, Spain: Ministerio de Cultura. 1986. Vol. 7 (1586-1599). 998p.
This is a document that names Lope's parents.
I found the document online, but I do not remember where. There is a copy of the document on my Ancestry.com tree (Ruiz de Esparza Family Tree, owner: ScottStockwell62) among the images for Lope Ruiz de Esparza (Arrival).
Or send a message to me at musettafan@yahoo.com and I will email the image to you.
-Scott Stockwell

considering some of the names you mentioned, we might be related

Ruben, where is the older post you found? I would like to read it too. There are helpful guides for deciphering texts, but I cannot find one that addresses symbols in the margin.

I found a marriage record with a similar symbol, and am wondering its meaning there. The record is;
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18453-5545-67?cc=1874591&wc=… : accessed 28 Feb 2014), Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1979 > Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1979 > Colotlán > San Luis Obispo > Matrimonios 1720-1752 > image 34 of 508.

It shows the marriage of Diego Pinedo (mulatto) and Chatarina de la Cruz (of Tepuliche). Below that notation in the margin is a symbol like our percent (%) and a cross with circles at each of the four ends, outlined with four curves.

What does that mean?

Eric Freeman

These are the only people I found in Jalisco with the same surnames the
same as the ones you're searching for in Jalisco.

Jose Maria Gutierrez Camarena

Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950

christening:
17 March 1901 San Francisco de Asís, Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico
residence:
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico father: Gabino Gutierrez
mother: Candelaria
Camarena
Maria Silviana Gutierrez
Camarena

Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950
christening: 12 February 1900 San Francisco de Asís, Tepatitlán de
Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico residence:
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico father: Camilo Gutierrez
mother: Maria
Camarena
Maria De Los Angeles Gutierrez
Camarena

Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950
christening: 4 October 1886 La Inmaculada Concepción, San Diego de
Alejandría, Jalisco, Mexico residence:
San Diego de Alejandría, Jalisco, Mexico father: Guadalupe Gutierrez
mother: Maria Refugio Camarena
Ma Ysabel Gutierrez De
Camarena

Mexico, National Census, 1930
birth: 1908

Stuart Armstrong

The C. stands for "ciudadano". (citizen).

"Natural" USUALLY means natural child, that is, born out of wedlock or father unknown, or in some cases neither parent is known.

Depending on context, "natural" may also mean native of, same as "originario".

Some records abbreviate M (Mujer) or H (Hombre) in the margin of the record. This can be helpful when the other gender indicators in the text are unclear.

Hi Denise,

A book that has helped me a lot with deciphering the abbreviations is by Nancy Ellen Carlberg and is titled "Beginning Mexican Research".

I purchased this at a convention last year and it has been quite helpful.

Kristine

Stuart Armstrong
Yes, many times a woman goes by more than one name. Or parts of her full name. Her full name could be Antonia Catalina Avila Cid. But don't jump to that as the only solution. People changed or modified their names often, so that in later records you may not recognize the same person found in earlier records. I have several instances of females having as many as seven different surnames in various records, along with several variations of their given names. Whether it was that they had decided to be known by different names, or that the informants were not well informed, is hard to tell. I can certainly relate to your dilemma trying to decide if the two names belong to the same person.
Name variations seem to be more common with women than men. Perhaps it was because of the culture of the times, that the women were often not present at the christenings of their children, being "churched" or recovering from childbirth, and those present may have known her by her

It's not uncommon for a person to be referred to with two different names.
i.e. Juan Antonio Carlos's parents are Jose Carlos and Maria Carrillo. He can be referred to as either Juan Carlos or Antonio Carrillo. I've seen this many times.

Jose Carlos de Leon

I believe these are two different women-- wives of the same man. I'm sure someone recording the vital information perhaps mixed up the names sometimes, but I don't think there is only one woman. What makes you think so?

Como siempre digo en esta área de estudio, requiere comprobar las informaciones con documentos fidedignos. Hemos encontrado muchísimos, sí, innumerables errores en estos sitios genealógicos de personas que colocan datos erróneos. Aunque, sin duda siempre es bueno por curiosidad comparar las informaciones nos puede dar una pista o por lo menos una dirección en abordar el tema. No estoy diciendo que están incorrecto TODAS las informaciones en esos sitios, mas para mi hasta que tengo un documento en mi mano que lo dice, lo establece y lo compruebe ahí se convierte en escritura. Debemos ser muy cuidadosos en las reconstrucciones de estos árboles genealógicos. Documento por documento, acta por acta, línea por línea, vínculo por vínculo. A los pocos podremos recopilar información suficiente para establecer las genealogías.

Solamente un pensamiento y suerte,

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Yo soy pariente de Victoriano Ramírez López “El Catorce”. El Catorce fue hijo de Carlos Ramírez y de Viviana López. He investigado muy a fondo su genealogía ya que estamos emparentados por el apellido López de los Reyes. La madre de El Catorce, Viviana López Zavala (nac. 04 de diciembre de 1864, San Miguel el Alto), fue hija de Francisco López Maciel y de María de Jesús Zavala Rocha (casados el 19 de febrero de 1851, San Miguel el Alto). Francisco López Maciel (nac. 24 de febrero de 1828/bap. 3 de marzo de 1828, Guadalajarita, San Miguel el Alto) fue hermano entero de mi tatarabuelo Inocencio López Maciel (nac. 3 de enero de 1838/bap. 7 de enero de 1838, El Rancho del Alto, San Miguel el Alto). Francisco e Inocencio López Maciel fueron hijos de don José Feliciano López Vásquez y de doña María Guadalupe Maciel Villalpando, quienes se casaron el 20 de agosto de 1821 en Jalostotitlán, previa una dispensa de consanguinidad en tercer grado igual.

Todas mis investigaciones de

I was the other person related to Francisco Acosta and Teresa Pedrosa
through my 4xGGrandfather Nazario Ponce, the Grandson of Micaela Pedroza.
If someone finds out who there parents are please let me know.

Mia

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> From: IChristopher
> To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
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> Hi?Paige and Armando
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> I?actually don't have a lot of time to?really get into this discussion
> because I have to be?in homeroom shortly, Plus I?also don?t know who the
> parents of Don Francisco de Acosta or Do?a Theresa de Pedroza are, but they
> are my 7th great grandparents, and I thought I?d?mention I?ve asked about
> this couple before and never received a response, so, I think you?re
> message worked, I?m just not sure anyone in the group has any information
> on who their parents might be. I think

 
Hi Alicia,
 
I descend from them on my mother's side, so I don't know whether it would solve the puzzle. Plus, I descend from the other Pedroza's and Acosta's on my father's side and I'm not familiar enough with DNA to know whether it would help or whether my other Acosta and Pedroza connections would just confuse the situation. Armando probably could better answer that question.
 
Chris
 

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From: Alicia Carrillo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza

Have any of you who believe you descend from this paternal and maternal
lineage, ever considered taking dna tests to see if you're connected by DNA?

Alicia

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From: IChristopher
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza

Hi Paige and Armando

I actually don't have a lot of time to really get into this

I'm wondering if it was in reference for "cross-eyed"?

Jose Carlos de Leon

Guadalupe Correa Diaz was my great grandfather and I am stucked in that line. Although you gave me a tip with miguel orozco tatarabuelos. I will enriched this thread after a few searches