Where else to look for the marriage record of Rafael Luna and Maria del Refugio Gomez in Ahualulco de Mercardo, Jalisco

Hi, I'm new to the group and hope that someone can tell me where else to look for the marriage record of Rafael Luna and Maria del Refugio.

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I mistakenly put the wrong town for where the marriage of Rafael Luna and Maria del Refugio Gomez took place. It was at El Sagrario, Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico, on 8 July 1839. I have checked the parish registers (on FamilySearch) and the Información matrimonial.

Denise Switzer

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Hi Denise,

Did you try starting the Info Matrimonial at least 2 months before the date of the wedding? I have often even found information as early as 6 months before the wedding took place. And if there was the need for a Dispensa (special permission to marry issued by the Bishop) the couple had to apply to Guadalajara and it sometimes took some time.

There are a couple of sites with dispensa information. Just google for guadalajara dispensas. One is coordinated by Claudia Casillas, the other by Kathy Brecht Quesada.

Hope this helps!

Sergio Salés

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Thank you, Sergio. I did look in the Info Matrimonial and went back a full year from the date of the marriage. Thank you for suggesting the dispensa information sites. I'll be looking at them next.

New to the group

Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in
Montpellier, France.

I've started my genealogical research and I have roots in Zacatecas,
this are the names:

Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was daugther of Juan
de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from Fresnillo, Zacatecas
I haven't found more information on dates, but I keep on researching.

Also, for the family of my mom I know that Ontiveros surname comes

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Message from Peggy Delgado scooterpie1968@...

Hi Monica!! Welcome to the group!    Peggy Delgado

Mónica wrote:


Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in
Montpellier, France.

I've started my genealogical research and I have roots in Zacatecas,
this are the names:

Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was daugther of Juan
de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from Fresnillo, Zacatecas
I haven't found more information on dates, but I keep on researching.

Also, for the family of my mom I know that Ontiveros surname comes
from Zacatecas, but i'm not 100% sure, does anyones knows if this is
true?

Thank you,
Monica





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My name is Denise Fortier Switzer and I have been actively involved in
genealogy research for the past 22 years but am new to doing research in Mexico.  I'm working on the following surnames:  Luna, Gomez, Olivera,
Siordia, Diaz, Jimenez/Ximenes, Falcon and German.  These families lived in Autlan de Navarro, Ahualulco de Mercado, and Guatalajara, all in Jalisco.  I'm very grateful to have been allowed to join this group and look forward to being an active member.

Denise

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Denise, Welcome to the group. I have several lines in Guadalajara and Autlán de Navarro. Please send me what you have so far and when I have extra time, I can see how I can help with your ancestry. If you need any assistance please feel free to ask away. I have a decade of experience in research.
Daniel Méndez de Torres CaminoSan José, CA

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Denise,

Welcome to the group!

I also have lines in Autlan, Ahualulco and Guadalajara.

Let me know if you have more specific questions. Though I am not related (so far) to the Siordia line, I do have some of them in my files because they married into the family.

Diaz is a common last name, but I have some info on it.

Good luck!

Sergio Salés

alguien tiene informacion

de Juan (Johan) de FRIAS Bardal y de Alfonsina de la PAZ (Rivera de la Paz) casados en Tlatenango, Zac.

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1630-04-30 Juan Frías Vandal casado con Alfonsina de la Paz, españoles hijos vecinos del pueblo de Tlaltenango. padrinos: Juan de Miramontes y Melchora de los Reyes, vecinos del pueblo.

Fueron también padrinos de matrimonio de Francisco Robles y Francisca Diaz en 1637-03-05.

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Thank you Arturo Ramos, it was great to make contact with you and learned about your other book, which I just purchase.

Do you happened to have or direct me to the Informacion Matrimonial the Juan Frias y Alfonsina de la Paz?

I need it to confirm some important data.

Sylvia Herenia Corona Cortes

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Mexico Census Records

Does anyone know if there are 17th and 18th century census lists of haciendas in Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, and Jalisco?

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This is a very tricky situation because any line that is not espanol I find will have a good chance of eventually dying out. The records were just not well documented. I have two indio lines and I am fortunate that with one of them to go up to the late 1600s. I have found out, like you said a dead end. It is sad, but we got to just keep trying to do our best to locate any record or piece of documentation we can.
Daniel Méndez de Torres CaminoSan José, CA

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Some parishes have some padrones in that time period. Have you checked Lymann Platt's book on census records? There may be some for the the ones you are looking for.

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Does anyone know if there are 17th and 18th century census lists of haciendas in Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, and Jalisco?  I have reached a dead end in searching for Aguayos in San Jose de Gracia, Aguascalientes at about 1800.  Since some of my ancestors are listed as indios, I thought I may be able to find them listed on haciendo roles, if such a thing exists.

Ma Calletana Duran Chaves

Buenas Noches,

Alguien podría ayudarme a leer el documento que sigue:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15671-17766-29?cc=1804458&wc…

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Bautismo de Maria Calletana, hija legítima, de 6 días. Nochistlán, 15 de agosto de 1858.
Padres: Juan Duran y Fernanda Chaves.
Abuelos paternos: Atilano Duran y Juana Marques.
Abuelos maternos: dijeron no conocerlos.
Padrinos: Atanasio Muños y Serapia Duran

Saludos,
Victoriano Navarro

Estancias de Nochistlan

Do you have a list of the La Estancias ... in and around Nochistlan?

Sincerely,

Charles Clark

Charles, there is one called "La Estancia" and another is "La Estancia de Luis de Velazco", in addition to "La Estancia de los Delgadillos," which I sent to you earlier.

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Alicia,

Do you still have access to the last book you mentioned? I am researching my Duran family lineage.

Rosalva Jordan

Duran Family

Hello. I just started researching my family history and was wondering if you have any of my relatives in your family tree.

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Hi Rosalva,

Using the information you provided last November, I was able to find Ismael's and Soledad's babtismal certificte in Tlachichila. Ismael was babtized on Nov. 5, 1911 and was born in El Ojo de Agua ( my great grandmother mentioned being from El Ojo de Agua) while Soledad was babtized June 4, 1916 and she was born in Ventanillas. Check out the following links for these babtismal certificates:

Ismael :

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-1970-10?cc=1804458&wc=…

Soledad link:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-4859-28?cc=1804458&wc=…

In the process of following this genealogy, I've determined that we are related. I had a pretty good idea that we were based on the Duran, Ruiz, and Olmos last names listed on your profile. I can take your Duran genealogy back another 4 generations past Cruz Duran (Jose Cruz Duran Chavez). We are probably related multiple times over, but this is the first link I have found.

I

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Juan,

Do you have any of the following names in your family:

Martin Ruiz (maternal grandfather) wife: Gregoria Valdez

Parents:
Eduardo Ruiz (maternal great grandfather) wife: Anastacia Hinojosa

Sibbling names: Hipolito, Marcial, Victor, Aleja (Alejandra???)

Rosalva

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Juan,

I found my grandmother's baptism record that referenced her marriage to my grandfather, Delfino Duran on the top right page 77.

With that information, I was able to find their "Acta de Matrimonio" document showing parents names. Please see below for the links.

https://familysearch.org/das/v2/TH-1-15186-3856-9/$dist?ctx=CrxCtxPubli…, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15186-3856-9?cc=1804458&wc=M…

https://familysearch.org/das/v2/TH-1-15191-10603-12/$dist?ctx=CrxCtxPub…, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-10603-12?cc=1804458&wc…

Saludos,

Rosalva Jordan

DNA results

Hello friends

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You should consider posting your results on Gary Felix's "Mexico DNA Project" website and see if you some day get Perez or Ornelas matches:
http://garyfelix.tripod.com/index63.htm

At the bottom of the page they have contact information.
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro

Manuscrito de uno de los hijos de Jose Ana Gutierrez (25 Jul 1815)

Por aqui en el Foro no hace mucho me tope con un tema donde alguien comentaba tener algunos manuscritos de uno de los hijos de Jose Ana Gutierrez donde narraba sus vivencias desde la infancia con sus

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Salvador: estos son los datos de El..

Jose Ana Gutierrez
Nacido el 25 Jul 1815 "El Tule" San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco
Bautizado el dia 28 Jul 1815 en San Juan de Los Lagos
Caso con Maria Canuta Padilla el dia 1 Oct de 1839 en Jalostotitlan
Murio al dia 30 Nov 1900

Any Suggestions For Researching A Common Name..?

Hello, I have been trying to find my great great grandfather for some time now with no success. He has a more common name than some of my other ancestors whom I have already discovered.

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On the "plus" side is that he was born about 1856. That's far back enough that there ARE some records available. I assume you know a little bit about him/his family.

The most important thing is where was he born (or your best guess). If he was born in Mexico, then try Family Search.org https://familysearch.org/. Try seacch using each Mexican State. i.e. Juan Perez (Peres) Jalisco, Mexico using a larger year span like 1836 - 1876. Keep repeating until you use all Mexican States.
You should be alert that many Mexican individuals have 2 or more first,middle names/ Saint's name and 2 surnames (father and mother). Family Search,org let's you include his wife and parents in the search. Use whatever info you have; if all you have is a wife's or mother.s first name, then use that in your search.

I've encountered several name variations of the same individual. l.e. Juan Perez/Juan Peres/ Jose Juan Perez/ often the individual uses his mother's maiden name. If you know it, then also

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Hello Jose,

I will try going state by state. I have done the rest many times over.
Hopefully I can get a hit by trying this way.

Thank you very much,

Kristine

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Kristine, although the folks at familysearch.org have done an outstanding job with respect to making records available, you can't always rely on using the search engine to find your records. For example, my great grandmother and all her siblings were baptized in the late 1800's and early 1900's in the city of Durango. Only the half baptized in the 1900's could be found when I tried to locate them simply by searching the indexed names.

It wasn't until I went page by page through all the baptisms for a 15 year period that I was able to find all but one record. With several churches to select from, I was lucky that I knew which one they attended.

If you can locate marriage records for the children, the record or the Informacion Matrimonial will sometimes state where the parents were originally from.

If you haven't already done it, look to see if there is a civil record for his marriage or the birth of the children as well. Once again he will have stated where he was from originally

Mariana de Lomeli y Juan de Dios Jimenez of Mexticacan, Jal

Hello Everyone,

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Roberto,

Check the following to see if you can find some more clues.

Dispensa of Gaspar de Lomelín. Look at the witnesses also.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-18842-17?cc=1874591&wc…

Marriage of the son of Gaspar de Lomelín.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15185-45517-18?cc=1410092&wc…

As Enrique suggested, always look for the Información Matrimonial records, even for descendants since sometimes they will have witnesses which provide more clues.

Armando

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Hi Armando,

Thank you very much. I am now wondering whether Maria Rosa Ximenes was sister of Juan de Dios Ximenes, and Mariana de Lomeli and Gaspar de Lomeli were siblings as well. According to other resources Gaspar had a sister named Mariana, and the time frame is somewhat close.

Thank you

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Hi,
I'm not related with the Nochistlán families but have you tried reserching on the Información Matrimonial records? It seems that the year of their marriage has already registers on the Información Matrimonial book. Start lookig 2 months before the marriage or so, because I've seen that sometimes the process for getting married began at that time or even one month before or one month after. If you find their information record you'll find the their parents' names and maybe more details.

Enrique Agraz

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Hi Enrique,

Thank you for the suggestion. I did try looking for the Información matrimonial of Nochistlan during that period, there is no récords for información 1707-1730. Do you know where I can find the informacion matrimonio somewhere else?

Thank you
Roberto Rosales Villalpando
Riverside,CA

The elusive Petronila de Moctezuma document

I took another look at what Chipman says in "Moctezuma's Children" concerning the litigation concerning Tacuba and Ecatepec in an attempt to focus research efforts in the search for documents naming P

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Thanks to the work of John Schmal ... see http://latinola.com/story.php?story=12449

Ana Sotelo de Mocetzuma was baptized September 7, 1553, in Mexico City.

Citation:

"México, Distrito Federal, registros parroquiales y diocesanos, 1514-1970," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-9758-14785-61?cc=1615259&wc=… : accessed 16 Jan 2014), Mexico, Distrito Federal, Catholic Church Records, 1514-1970 > Mexico, Distrito Federal, Catholic Church Records, 1514-1970 > Asunción Sagrario Metropolitano (Centro) > Bautismos de españoles 1536-1546, 1552-1589 > image 219 of 1003.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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Hola grupo,

¡Aquí les va una en inglés…pero no se empiquen!

In John P. Schmal’s January 8, 2014 internet article “Moctezuma's Descendants in Aguascalientes: Tracking the offspring of the last Aztec monarch” [ http://latinola.com/story.php?story=12449 ], he mentions that Leonor de Valderrama and her husband Diego Arias de Sotelo had the following children:

1. Don Fernando de Sotelo, the third encomendero of Tarímbaro and San Cristobal Ecatepec. He later became the Mayor of Colima and died sometime after 1604.
2. Don Cristobal de Sotelo Valderrama was married Juana de Heredia Patino in 1594 in Mexico City and is believed to have died in 1607.
3. Dona Ana de Sotelo Moctezuma, baptized Sept. 7, 1553 in Asuncion Parish, Mexico City. She became a nun.
4. Petronila Moctezuma (Montezuma). She was married to Martin de Gabay, also known as Martin Navarro.

He also writes the following:
In addition to locating the baptism of Ana in 1553, we discovered a 1594 marriage document from the

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Carlos Peredo

Dear Denise, George, Steven et al

It may seem a small thing to have one or two rediscovered new facts about "The Sotelos", but I believe , to us it´s a matter of much joy, because we know that sometimes just to find a hard fact, a precise date, a precise relationship some people spent long hours, days, weeks , and in some cases even YEARS ! - I just remembered Don Guillermo Tovar saying that -in some instances- researching for one single fact, he had to travel many thousands of miles and spend a lot of time and money.

So George, thank you very much for sharing the date and link to the baptism of Ana de Sotelo Valderrama and the date of the wedding of Don Cristóbal de Sotelo.

About the death of Doña Leonor de Valderrama it was already stablished days ago that she should have died around 1557 and that she married in the end of 1550 or the beginning of 1551 because Don Diego Arias Sotelo arrived in Mexico in 1550, this implies that Diego and Leonor didn´t have the chance

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Steven

Thank you for do the transcriptions! These documents are a real challenge to read!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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The doctoral dissertation, Margo Tamez, "Returning Lipan Apache Women's Laws, Lands, & Power In El Calaboz Ranchería, Texas-Mexico Border" cited by John Schmal has two interesting appendices entitled "Resolving Petronila de Moctezuma and Marina Leonor de Moctizuma (sic): Narrative".

The appendices do not add documents in our quest, but provides her views and examines three theories regarding Petronila:
(1) She descends from Leonor de Moctezuma, granddaughter of Tecuichpotzin and Hernando Cortes
(2) She was the daughter of Mariana Leonore de Moctezuma and "Acatlan" (questioning whether "Acatlan" is a name, or better referred to as "Noblewoman of Acatlan").
(3) She was the daughter of Pedro Moctezuma (he was the son of Moctezuma and Maria Miahuaxochitl) and one of his indigenous wives.

She concludes that the second theory is more plausible.

The discussion is quite interesting in examining the role of "high status indigenous women" in the Spanish colonial society.

There is

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Hi George

I too have wondered where to go from here. I have come to the conclusion, that I will contribute where I best can, by going through records which are comprehensible to me. To that end, I have just last night begun going through marriages from Mexico City from the 1570's on the chance that the elusive Petronila will show up as a padrina, and then I will have located her at a specific place and time, and linked her to a specific social network. I would be happy if someone wanted to go to the same film, find the last image from the 1500s (image 282), and work backwards....the link to the last image of the 1500's is here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-9748-17804-19?cc=1615259&wc=…

On this film, there is a gap from 1589 to 1629, therefore I have no immediate plans to look beyond image 282.

The source of the image is:

"México, Distrito Federal, registros parroquiales y diocesanos, 1514-1970," index and images, FamilySearch (https:/

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Yesterday Steven Hernandez Lopez (in the Petronila de Moctezuma y Martin Navarro thread) posted a link for a recently published article from John Schmall: http://latinola.com/story.php?story=12449 .

In this work he cites the reference for the matrimonial investigation for Cristoval Sotelo Valderrama and Juana Patino de Heredia that he found in the Diocesan records of Mexico City. The record is at Family Search in "Mexico, Distrito Federal, Catholic Church Records, 1514-1970; Arquidiocesis de Mexico (Centro); Information matrimonial 1588, 1589, 1591, 1592 ... 1679" and begins at image 96, and continues for 5 pages.

The document is dated 1594 and the handwriting is difficult to read, although the images are quite clear.

The document names his parents, Diego Arias Sotelo and Dona Leonor de [illegible], and wife-to-be, Dona Juana Patino de Heredia, and her parents Baltasar de Bargab (probably not correct) and Dona Francisca de Heredia. Baltasar's surname seems to be on two lines, and is

Introduction

Hello everyone:

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welcome.. you did not say who the lines are that you are researching or where in Mexico they are from.
Linda in Boulder City, Nv.

On Sunday, January 12, 2014 10:19 PM, "pnpcastillo@centurylink.net" wrote:

Hello everyone:

This is my first post onto the forum. Both my husband and I are looking forward to being a part of the group. I have been researching my husband's family for an exciting,interesting and very challenging 8 years. We are looking forward to reading and connecting with other enthusiasts.

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Linda: I'm researching my husband's grandmother's family, the Gomez, Anguiano, Lopez, Robalcava and Soto families from Paso de Sotos (now known as Villa Hidalgo)and Teocaltiche, Jalisco and Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.

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pnp,

Sorry, I don't have your name, only your email address,

We may have ancestors in common, the Lopez and Rubalcava from Villa Hidalgo
and Teocaltiche.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 6:25 PM, wrote:

> Linda: I'm researching my husband's grandmother's family, the Gomez,
> Anguiano, Lopez, Robalcava and Soto families from Paso de Sotos (now known
> as Villa Hidalgo)and Teocaltiche, Jalisco and Aguascalientes,
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I like, Alicia, believe we could have certain common ancestors. I would like to compare ancestries along with Alicia, it would be nice to see where we branch off. A part of my mother's ancestry can be traced back to Calvillo and Teocaltiche. I descend from people with the surnames of López, Soto, González de Ruvalcaba, etc.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
San José, Ca

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Daniel: Thanks for responding to my post, as I corresponded to Alicia, my husband, Paul's 2x grandmother was Ma. Timotea Lopez married to Juan Gomez, they lived in Villa Hidalgo. Paul's Soto line comes through his 2x grandmother, Ma. Tranquilina Soto, married to Agustin Anguiano, they also lived in Villa Hidalgo. What I have been able to find is that Ma. Timotea's parents(Antonia Lopez/Christobal Lopez)came from Teocaltiche. I've also traced the family of Ma. Tranquilina to Teocaltiche.

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Alicia: Hopefully, I'm responding in the post the right way (?), my husband's name is Paul and my name is Peggy. My husband's 2x grandmother was Ma. Timotea Lopez, married to Juan Gomez. I believe Timotea's parents were Ma. Antonia Lopez and Christobal Lopez. Do any of these names sound familiar to you? As far as I can tell, the Rubalcava family were much earlier. Thanks for responding to my post, Peggy

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Peggy, my Lopez and Rubalcava ancestors in Teocalitche and Villa Hidalgo
date back to the 1700's, so your husband's grandmother is too recent for
me. After marriage, they migrated to Jalpa and then Nochistlan.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:18 PM, wrote:

> Alicia: Hopefully, I'm responding in the post the right way (?), my
> husband's name is Paul and my name is Peggy. My husband's 2x grandmother
> was Ma. Timotea Lopez, married to Juan Gomez. I believe Timotea's parents
> were Ma. Antonia Lopez and Christobal Lopez. Do any of these names sound
> familiar to you? As far as I can tell, the Rubalcava family were much
> earlier. Thanks for responding to my post, Peggy

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Peggy, my Lopez and Rubalcava ancestors in Teocalitche and Villa Hidalgo
date back to the 1700's, so your husband's grandmother is too recent for
me. After marriage, they migrated to Jalpa and then Nochistlan.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:18 PM, wrote:

> Alicia: Hopefully, I'm responding in the post the right way (?), my
> husband's name is Paul and my name is Peggy. My husband's 2x grandmother
> was Ma. Timotea Lopez, married to Juan Gomez. I believe Timotea's parents
> were Ma. Antonia Lopez and Christobal Lopez. Do any of these names sound
> familiar to you? As far as I can tell, the Rubalcava family were much
> earlier. Thanks for responding to my post, Peggy

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Welcome

pnpcastillo@centurylink.net wrote:

Hello everyone:

This is my first post onto the forum. Both my husband and I are
looking forward to being a part of the group. I have been researching
my husband's family for an exciting,interesting and very challenging 8
years. We are looking forward to reading and connecting with other
enthusiasts.

Aguayo and Becerra

I found a second earlier marriage certificate for my 5X Candido de Aguallo marrying a Anna Gertudis Ballejo on 18 Dec.1753.

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Hi Jaimie,

I Also am researching the Aguallo family for my wife (Michelle Martinez Williams) who is the 2nd great grand daughter of Magdaleno Martinez who married Maria Eduvviges de Aguallo. This would make her the 5th great grand daughter of Diego de Aguallo and Francisca Veserra of Nochistlan.

I believe there is a connection for Diego de Aguallo to Diego de Aguallo and Ysabel de Espitia and that they may be his parents.

The connection is in the marriage record for Candido Aguallo to Anna Gertrudis Ballexo (* see listing below). The Padrinos are Macario Aguallo and Maria Monica Duran. The Macario Aguallo listed is Lucio Macario de Aguallo son of Diego de Aguallo and Ysabel de Espitia and may be the uncle to Candido de Aguallo.

I'm not sure about all this but the time period is right that Diego could be a son of Diego de Aguallo and Ysabel de Espitia and there seems to be a family connection.

Let me know what you think.

Thank you,
Johnny Williams

1st Marriage: Matrimonios

Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara

The book "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia: Expedientes de la serie de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII" by Maria de la Luz Montejano Hilton, which has been out

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Hi George,

Thank you for the good news, I had read parts of the book with the Google Books preview but now I was able to read the complete dispensas and got some new names to my family tree.

Enrique Agraz

Gonzalez de Hermosillo & Diaz de Leon - rama Ojuelos Jalisco y Pinos Zacatecas

Hola primos,

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LOS GONZÁLEZ DE HERMOSILLO

Los antecedentes históricos de la familia González-Hermosillo se remontan a finales del Siglo XVI en la Nueva Galicia, pues vivieron y tuvieron propiedades y mercedes de tierras en Lagos, San Juan de los Lagos y Teocaltiche. Sin embargo, los González Díaz de León propietarios de Preciado, Cañaditas y Presa Nueva, entre otros ranchos y haciendas en Pinos Zacatecas y Ojuelos, Jalisco, tienen un origen histórico muy bien definido genealógicamente.

Descienden directamente de don Diego Ildefonso González de Hermosillo y Alderete, que nació en Teocaltiche hacia 1680. Él estudió unos cuantos años en el seminario Conciliar de Guadalajara sin llegar a tomar los hábitos, no obstante adquirió una esmerada educación, superior al común de la población. Vivió su juventud y se casó con doña Lorenza Manuela de Cabrera en el Real de Asientos a principios de Siglo XVIII. Los Cabrera venían de pueblo de Cuquío replicando lo que hicieron innumerables familias alteñas que

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Kevin Kern - Through the Veil

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: pipo957@hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 20:01:24 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Preciado
>
> LOS GONZÁLEZ DE HERMOSILLO
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> Los antecedentes históricos de la familia González-Hermosillo se remontan a finales del Siglo XVI en la Nueva Galicia, pues vivieron y tuvieron propiedades y mercedes de tierras en Lagos, San Juan de los Lagos y Teocaltiche. Sin embargo, los González Díaz de León propietarios de Preciado, Cañaditas y Presa Nueva, entre otros ranchos y haciendas en Pinos Zacatecas y Ojuelos, Jalisco, tienen un origen histórico muy bien definido genealógicamente.
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> Descienden directamente de don Diego Ildefonso González de Hermosillo y Alderete, que nació en Teocaltiche hacia 1680. Él estudió unos cuantos años en el seminario Conciliar de Guadalajara sin llegar a tomar los hábitos, no obstante adquirió una esmerada educación, superior al común de la población. Vivió su juventud y se casó

Francisco De Alvarado and Francisca Ruis De Esparsa

Hello everyone,

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Hi Norberto
I would like to take a look at the info on the marriage to see if i can help in any way. It would be good if you posted the names and date of the marriage, the full citation, and the link to the image.

Regards
Denise
Fastrup

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Hi Norberto

I found a daughter Maria de la Rosa who married Joseph Martin in 1710, which you probably already have, but below is the info just in case. If you have not already done so, you might want to see the info matrimonial for her and her husband, because sometimes uncles or other relatives are there as testigos. Info matrimoniales in that church go back to 1699.

link to the image of the marriage:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18622-36120-98?cc=1874591&wc…

film no 641015 image 164

Citation:

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18622-36120-98?cc=1874591&wc… : accessed 10 Jan 2014), Ciénega de Mata > Inmaculada Concepción > Matrimonios 1667-1757 > image 164 of 456.

from the Family Search index:

Name: Joseph Martin
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Maria De La Rosa Y Albarado
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace

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Denise,

Thanks for your help. I really appreciate any ideas or clues anyone can give me. John Schmal and Inhave gone back and forth abt this couple for a long time. This weekend I plan on going through the informacional matrimonios on familysearch.org. The book that contains 1675 is all chopped up as far as chronological order goes. Going page by page just might find me the record.

Thanks again and I'll keep everyone posted. By the way, I do have that marriage record you posted. Their daughter in that recordnis a great grandmother. That record is what led me to Francisco and Francisca many years ago (early 2000s).

Norberto Menchaca Morales III

Jose Felix De la Torre's paternal ancestry

hello Felix,

I worked on the family tree of a first cousin of yours named Graciela. Her mother is a daughter of Nicolas De la Torre and Maria de la Luz Martin.

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Hello miggygutierrez
The previous post is about graciela's ancestors. Graciela is married to your nephew Felipe
Some ofThe same lines that graciela is related to me she is related to you and of course her husband Felipe. She is actually related to me more often and I think maybe one generation closer.

Documentation of Petronila (Gabadi) Moctezuma

The parentage of the Gabadi sisters continues to be a subject of much discussion.

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Hello Scott,

I don't doubt that the document that provides the ancestry of Petronila de
Moctezuma was found by don Guillermo Tovar de Teresa but as I have said
before we want to know what kind of document it is and when the book will
be published if they still plan to publish it and so on. That really is the
only document that we need at this moment. The others do not help in
proving the link between Petronila and Moctezuma II.

ITEM (2) The link that you provided
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=4&tx…
that the session has expired when clicked on. Apart from that the
link doesn't show on the Nuestros Ranchos site. Those type of links don't
show up.

Therefore, the advanced search has to be done at
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=100 but
you don't have to select anything before pasting MP-ESCUDOS,211 into
the Signatura:
field. All that has to be done after that is to click

i found a priesthood document(i think) for a francisco cid

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I don't know if they mention other family members since the document is long and hard to read, but he was from an important family since his father was an "oidor" or judge.
On image 475 it says that when Juan González Cid arrived to the kingdom very poor since "coming to take over his post he had a storm in the sea by the Campeche coast and lost all the goods he had, escaping just with his life and his family". It seems that because of that he has not been able to get two of his daughters married (I guess he can not pay the corresponding dowries).

Victoriano Navarro

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El Bachiller Don Francisco Sid, presbitero domiciliario de este obispado, como mas me convenga, digo que para ocurrir ante su Majestad y _ su Real Consejo de Indias me es necesario hacer informacion de como soy hijo legitimo del señor _ _ Don Juan Gonçales Sid, oidor mas antiguo de esta Real Audiencia y de la Señora Doña Ana de Esponosa su legitima mujer....
He is requesting a "canongía en una de las iglesias catedrales de esta Nueva España", so he is applying for a post in a Cathedral.

Saludos,
Victoriano Navarro

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does the doucment mention any other family members besides his parents? some part of the whole doucment(it starts on page 471 and ends on the left side of page 495). one confusing part when someone (not sure who) was refered to as poor, which is confusing since i thought only those from wealthy family could become clergy men back then