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Hola Diego,

Disculpa la tardanza (7 meses!!!!) de esta respuesta. Tal vez ya has
encontrado los datos que buscabas sobre “Aro y Ávila”. Hasta hora e
podido ponerme masa o memos al corriente de todos los “posts” de Nuestros
Ranchos.

Me da gusto saber que tenemos los mismos ancestros. Tengo la misma
información que diste empezando con Thomas de Haro y María Ávila, con solo
unos datos pequeños de diferencia y alguna información adicional:

1- Antonio Julián Haro se caso con Rita Margarita Serrano en
Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román el 10 de enero de 1787.

2- Según mis datos, la madre de Rita Margarita Serrano es María
Candelaria Ramírez no Castillo.

3- Además de María Lucia Haro, Antonio Julián Haro y Rita Margarita
Serrano tuvieron los siguientes hijos: María de la Cruz, María Rita, María
Eusebia de Jesús, Juana Vitor Modesta, Juan Joseph de la Trinidad, y José
Cirildo de Jesús.

4- Según mis datos, los abuelos de José María Serrano Hermosillo son
(línea paterna)

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
I also have not received mail from nuestros ranchos in quite a while. Don't know what's happening.

Hello Anita,
I'm also fairly new at this too; but we learn by doing and helping. I looked at the marriage and it does say that Blas Esteban is Mestizo (right after his name--"mest"). To me it also looks like the mother's name may be Becerra--although it only has one R in the document. I tried with all of the combinations I could figure and unfortunately I had no luck either. Remember that the Franco family also went by Franco de Paredes and sometimes Paredes.
Good luck,
Deedra Corona

Thank you for posting this information. Consanguinity, and the dispensations for it, have always been confusing to me. However, after reading the Canon Law on consanguinity and affinity, I can only quote Harry Belafonte: "It was clear as mud, but it covered the ground, and the confusion make the world go 'round".

I remain as confused as I ever was.

Linda
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> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 13:06:08 -0800 (PST)
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> Very important concepts to know when searching catholic parish records,from the Facebook page Evidence Explained:
> Consanguinity and Affinity:
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> We see the words often in religious records of the past and occasionally in civil ones. The concept of consanguinity--a blood relationship--is simple enough; but modern thinking often leads us astray where affinity is concerned

¡Feliz Año Nuevo a Todos!

Linda is right; if we share our records and the findings of our ancestor’s research we’ll grow our family tree in a wonderful way.

¡Les deseo mucho éxito en sus búsquedas este 2014!

Arturo Cuellar Gonzalez
Salt Lake City, Utah

Quizas ella es Antonia Martín DEL CAMPO! -Daniel
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Jaime,

Talvez te interese la siguiente información:

1.. Juan Macías Valadez era hijo de Joseph Macías Valadez y Catalina de la Vega. Juana Domínguez era hija de Juan Hernández y Ana Domínguez. Juana tomó el apellido de su madre, cosa común en aquellos tiempos.
2.. Juan Macías Valadez casó con Juana Domínguez el 12 de junio de 1683 en la Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes (fuente: LDS Film 0299823 Marriages 1663-1702 Aguascalientes, Ags. México).
3.. Los padres de Diego Alonso de Hermosillo fueron Diego Alonso del Pedroso y Hermosillo y Paula de Torres. Los padres de Juana de Alderete fueron Francisco de Alderete y Elvira de Padilla.
4.. Diego Alonso de Hermosillo casó con Juana de Alderete el 19 de febrero de 1669 en la Parroquia de Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche (fuente: LDS Film 0639754 Marriages 1637-1669 Teocaltiche, Jal. México).

Saludos,

Bill Figueroa

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Hola grupo, ¡qué tal! Precisamente este tema lo tocamos Tony Campos y yo hace diez años en el “Genealogical Journal V" (2003, “Basic Foundations of Significant Families of Mexico: Tello de Orozco”, pgs. 207-212)” donde expusimos que Joseph Tello de Orozco II, “El Mozo”, hijo del Capitán don Joseph Tello de Orozco I, “El Viejo”, estuvo casado dos veces; en primeras nupcias con Josepha de Liébana y en segundas nupcias con Francisca de Camarena y Mendoza. El Señor Joseph Tello de Orozco parece haber nacido cerca de 1630 probablemente en Guadalajara. Portaba el título de Capitán, como su padre, y ejerció el oficio de Teniente de Alcalde del Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de San Juan, jurisdicción de Xalostotitlán, desde 1661, hasta su muerte.

Joseph Tello de Orozco y su primera esposa Josepha de Liébana se casaron hacia 1654, cuando Joseph tenía unos 24 años y Josepha unos 16 años. Tony Campos y yo concluimos que el lugar más probable de su boda fue Tangancícuaro, Michoacán, o Ayo el Chico.

Alejandra Varela
Hola Mario, disculpa estas perosona a las que te refieres de que parte son????
Yo estoy conectada a la linea Tello Y orosco. Mi tatarabuelo 4 veces fue Juan Manuel Tello y Orosco nacido el 13 de Mayo de 1722 en Rancho de San Francisco, Ayo el Chico, Jalisco Mexico. El se caso con Guadalupe Valencia quien nacio aprox. en 1720. Tuvieron 9 hijos que fueron:
*Jose Manuel Orosco nacido el 22 de Enero de 1742 en Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, quien se caso con Ana Maria Ramirez nacida aprox en 1744. (Esta es mi linea directa)
*Maria Josepha Orosco nacida el 19 de enero de 1744 en Ayo el Chico, Jalisco.
*Salvador Orosco nacio el 6 de enero de 1745 en Ayo el Chico, Jalisco.
*maria de Jesus Orosco nacidea el 22 de dic de 1746 en San Agustin,Ayo el Chico Jalisco.
*Rafael de Jesus Orosco nacido aprox en 1751.
*Josepha Joachina Orosco.
*Juan Salvador Orosco
*ytengo dos mas Maria Josepha pero tengo que verificar si no son la misma persona. Ojala esto se mde ayuda y tengamos conexion.

Merry Christmas!!

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Merry Christmas
Date: Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:03 AM

Feliz Navidad to all my online family and friends!
Pat and Tino Corbera

Hello Annette,

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Hi,
In reply to your post, I have an extensive "Mora" line from Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. I have only some of my files with me but I will try to post them so that we can compare our relatives. Sherri Mora

This one is close to Ocotlan:
http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/loma-larga-9/

and there is interesting info about a Salcedo family here:
http://www.decharros.com/noticia/adt/09/adt_jun2.htm (look down the page
for it).

joseph

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Lamobucs@hotmail.com wrote:
> I was wondering if anybody has any information about the history of
> this pueblo in Jalisco. The research that I have done all points to
> Ocotlan as being the church that my ancestors were baptized and
> married in. My specific names that are related to me are Mora, Cabeza
> de Baca, Villaroel

I have an ancestor from Ocotlan with name of Villaroel.  However, I am out of
town at the moment and my records are at home.  I can get back to you by mid
January 2010.  Will you give me some of your names to work with in the meantime?

-Esther Lopez Jordan

On December 23, 2009 at 6:44 AM Lamobucs@hotmail.com wrote:

> I was wondering if anybody has any information about the history of this
> pueblo in Jalisco. The research that I have done all points to Ocotlan as
> being the church that my ancestors were baptized and married in. My specific
> names that are related to me are Mora, Cabeza de Baca, Villaroel,Godines, and
> Villanueva. If anybody has ancestors form this pueblo can you please reply.

David,
Here are my two cents, I hope this helps in your research. I know in the beginning it´s rough, it was for me. It takes lots of patience and determination, but in essence, genealogy is a beautiful art where we can link the past and present together.
Anastasio de Acosta and Ma. Claudia Valencia were married on 25 July 1833 in Santa María de los Lagos. You can find it on this link: From it we identify Anastasio de Acosta´s parents as Tiburcio Acosta and Zerafina Gómez. Claudia´s parents are mentioned as Luis Valencia and Asunción Gómez, who were both deceased. The godparents might be very well related as they are mentioned as Petronila and Margarita Acosta. I could not find any additonal information on these couples.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18570-68114-56?cc=1874591&wc…
Julián Silva and Juana de Ledesma were married in the same parish on 25 February 1805.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y CaminoBrasília - D.F., Brasil

Sir,
First, I would like to thank you for your assistance. Briefly, I found the name of my Great-Grandfather, Senon Cedillo Mendoza, on my grandfather Ruperto's WW1 draft document. My grandfather has his dad as being born in Lagos De Moreno, Coahuila, Mexico. I could not find this place in Mexico. A relative of mine informed me that his father had kept in contact with the Mendoza relatives from Paso de Cuarenta but his father has since passed away and I have no knowledge of any other communication with family from Mexico. I have searched many genealogy records and just cannot find Senon Cedillo Mendoza anywhere other than the records and locations indicated by my grandfather. I took the ancestry dna test and I found that the majority of dna relatives with the Mendoza name are from around the general area of Jalisco such as San Luis Potosi and AguasCalientes. I will continue my search and again appreciate your help. If I can find the connection I would like to visit this area of my

here's a link to marriage dispensation for juan jose hernandez and valeria tovar, and they are both related to jua jose fernandez.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18414-2611-6?cc=1874591&wc=M…

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Por supuesto que no aburres, Salvador.

Gracias.

Luis Bojorquez

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Muchas veces he visto discusiones acerca de éste Diego de Velazco y es por ello que yo tampoco se que creer. Por lo cual, no he seguido esa linea ya que muchos dicen que si descienden de las casas reales de España y otros dicen que no es verdad.

Me pasa lo mismo con otras dos familias, en las que hay dudas acerca de su ascendencia. Y son la de los Fernández de Híjar y también la ascendencia de Petronila de Moctezuma.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Sanchez-Castellanos
Check how the childrens of the Miramontes´ use the last name (Miramontes de Haro)both lastnames compused and was trasmitted 2 or 3 generations, and how some of the family use Viramontes instead of Miramontes.

As best as I have been able to piece this together, this is a brother of Maria de Saucedo and son of Juan de Miramonte who was the first Miramontes immigrant from Spain in the late 1500s, who came as an assistant to the bishop of Michoacán.

There is reference to the land that was put into this capellania in some early reports to the Viceroy of Mexico that are documented in Bernardo Carlos Casas' Ciudad Amurallada book. There is later a limpieza de sangre document for Nicolas de Haro, Pedro's nephew, when he took benefit of the capellanía.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/gedcom/getperson.php?personID=I368&tree=…

Hi Gary

His testament might be here:
http://eservicios.aguascalientes.gob.mx/seggob/acervodigital/notarial.a…

but I have never gotten the links to the actual documents to work...

If you try the links and they work for you, let me know. Maybe I am doing something wrong or its my computer. But there are lots of documents I'd like to read which are listed at this site.

Regards
Denise Fastrup

Hi Gary and Edgar

I have not found a record of anyone in Aguascalientes with the surname combination Sotelo Montesuma. Earlier this year I was looking to find a clear connection between Petronila de Moctezuma and the Sotelos of Aguascalientes. I read in the Codex Chimalpahin (a tranlation - Codex Chimalpahin: Society and Politics in Mexico Tenochtitlan, Vol 1. p. 109 - 111) that Hernando Sotelo Montezuma, the son of Diego Arias Sotelo and Leonor Valderrama Moctezuma, had 10 children, of which five were listed in the Codex with their name:Diego,Leonor, Juan, Hernando, and Ana. The man who wrote the codex in 1619 said they were all Spanish because their mother was Spanish, and that the five unnamed children were living with their father in Michoacan. His wife was named Dona Maria Cervantes (from Andariegos y Pobladores - Nueva Espana and Nueva Galicia, by Jose Miguel Romero de Solis, entry for Fernando Sotelo Montezuma)

Maybe Francisco Sotelo was one of the unnmamed 5 children living

That's because Xpto are the Greek letters for the shortened version of
Χριστός which means Cristo. So adding Xpto + bal = Cristobal.

Armando

On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Raul Padilla wrote:

> My two cents, Xbtobal in my family turned out to be Cristobal.
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>

Welcome, David, I don't know your surnames but I too come from Jamay,
Jalisco and all other surrounding areas you mentioned. I would like to
know some of the surnames you are searching for. Thank you.

Esther Jordan (Lopez by birth)

On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 8:43 PM, David Vargas wrote:

> Good evening!
>
> This is my first, introductory e-mail to this group, so I thought it good
> to start with my most recent connection the pueblos of Jalisco. My
> grandfather, Primitivo Vargas, was born in San Nicolas, Jalisco, on 9 June
> 1905. He was the fifth of six children born to Jose Genaro Vargas and
> Maria Delgadillo. My grandfather migrated to the USA, arriving in El Paso,
> Texas on 15 July 1916 at the age of 11. He traveled with his mother,
> Maria, his brother, Rodrigo, and 2 sisters, Modesta and Francisca. They
> also had an older brother, Jesus, that appears to have stayed in Mexico at
> that time. One additional sibling, Jose Gabino Vargas, was born 16 Oct
> 1895, but died