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Message from Peggy Delgado scooterpie1968@...

Hi Monica!! Welcome to the group!    Peggy Delgado

Mónica wrote:

Hi, Mu name is Monica Medina, i'm mexican currently living in
Montpellier, France.

I've started my genealogical research and I have roots in Zacatecas,
this are the names:

Ines de la Rosa Sandoval (my greatgrand mother) was daugther of Juan
de la Rosa and Narcisa Sandoval. They come from Fresnillo, Zacatecas
I haven't found more information on dates, but I keep on researching.

Also, for the family of my mom I know that Ontiveros surname comes
from Zacatecas, but i'm not 100% sure, does anyones knows if this is
true?

Thank you,
Monica

Message from Carol Turner cmuroturner@...

Welcome to the group Monica!

1630-04-30 Juan Frías Vandal casado con Alfonsina de la Paz, españoles hijos vecinos del pueblo de Tlaltenango. padrinos: Juan de Miramontes y Melchora de los Reyes, vecinos del pueblo.

Fueron también padrinos de matrimonio de Francisco Robles y Francisca Diaz en 1637-03-05.

Sylvia Herenia Corona Cortes

thank you

Yay!

Jose Carlos de Leon

This is a very tricky situation because any line that is not espanol I find will have a good chance of eventually dying out. The records were just not well documented. I have two indio lines and I am fortunate that with one of them to go up to the late 1600s. I have found out, like you said a dead end. It is sad, but we got to just keep trying to do our best to locate any record or piece of documentation we can.
Daniel Méndez de Torres CaminoSan José, CA

Some parishes have some padrones in that time period. Have you checked Lymann Platt's book on census records? There may be some for the the ones you are looking for.

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From: "jose973@q.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 5:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexico Census Records

Does anyone know if there are 17th and 18th century census lists of haciendas in Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, and Jalisco?  I have reached a dead end in searching for Aguayos in San Jose de Gracia, Aguascalientes at about 1800.  Since some of my ancestors are listed as indios, I thought I may be able to find them listed on haciendo roles, if such a thing exists.

Alicia,

Do you still have access to the last book you mentioned? I am researching my Duran family lineage.

Rosalva Jordan

Hi Rosalva,

Using the information you provided last November, I was able to find Ismael's and Soledad's babtismal certificte in Tlachichila. Ismael was babtized on Nov. 5, 1911 and was born in El Ojo de Agua ( my great grandmother mentioned being from El Ojo de Agua) while Soledad was babtized June 4, 1916 and she was born in Ventanillas. Check out the following links for these babtismal certificates:

Ismael :

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-1970-10?cc=1804458&wc=…

Soledad link:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-4859-28?cc=1804458&wc=…

In the process of following this genealogy, I've determined that we are related. I had a pretty good idea that we were based on the Duran, Ruiz, and Olmos last names listed on your profile. I can take your Duran genealogy back another 4 generations past Cruz Duran (Jose Cruz Duran Chavez). We are probably related multiple times over, but this is the first link I have found.

I

Hola Paco, este Jose Ana es hijo de Don Miguel Antonio Gutierres Gonzales y de Maria Guadalupe Romo Parada?

On the "plus" side is that he was born about 1856. That's far back enough that there ARE some records available. I assume you know a little bit about him/his family.

The most important thing is where was he born (or your best guess). If he was born in Mexico, then try Family Search.org https://familysearch.org/. Try seacch using each Mexican State. i.e. Juan Perez (Peres) Jalisco, Mexico using a larger year span like 1836 - 1876. Keep repeating until you use all Mexican States.
You should be alert that many Mexican individuals have 2 or more first,middle names/ Saint's name and 2 surnames (father and mother). Family Search,org let's you include his wife and parents in the search. Use whatever info you have; if all you have is a wife's or mother.s first name, then use that in your search.

I've encountered several name variations of the same individual. l.e. Juan Perez/Juan Peres/ Jose Juan Perez/ often the individual uses his mother's maiden name. If you know it, then also

Roberto,

Check the following to see if you can find some more clues.

Dispensa of Gaspar de Lomelín. Look at the witnesses also.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-18842-17?cc=1874591&wc…

Marriage of the son of Gaspar de Lomelín.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15185-45517-18?cc=1410092&wc…

As Enrique suggested, always look for the Información Matrimonial records, even for descendants since sometimes they will have witnesses which provide more clues.

Armando

Hi,
I'm not related with the Nochistlán families but have you tried reserching on the Información Matrimonial records? It seems that the year of their marriage has already registers on the Información Matrimonial book. Start lookig 2 months before the marriage or so, because I've seen that sometimes the process for getting married began at that time or even one month before or one month after. If you find their information record you'll find the their parents' names and maybe more details.

Enrique Agraz

Hi George

I too have wondered where to go from here. I have come to the conclusion, that I will contribute where I best can, by going through records which are comprehensible to me. To that end, I have just last night begun going through marriages from Mexico City from the 1570's on the chance that the elusive Petronila will show up as a padrina, and then I will have located her at a specific place and time, and linked her to a specific social network. I would be happy if someone wanted to go to the same film, find the last image from the 1500s (image 282), and work backwards....the link to the last image of the 1500's is here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-9748-17804-19?cc=1615259&wc=…

On this film, there is a gap from 1589 to 1629, therefore I have no immediate plans to look beyond image 282.

The source of the image is:

"México, Distrito Federal, registros parroquiales y diocesanos, 1514-1970," index and images, FamilySearch (https:/

welcome.. you did not say who the lines are that you are researching or where in Mexico they are from.
Linda in Boulder City, Nv.

On Sunday, January 12, 2014 10:19 PM, "pnpcastillo@centurylink.net" wrote:

Hello everyone:

This is my first post onto the forum. Both my husband and I are looking forward to being a part of the group. I have been researching my husband's family for an exciting,interesting and very challenging 8 years. We are looking forward to reading and connecting with other enthusiasts.

Welcome

pnpcastillo@centurylink.net wrote:

Hello everyone:

This is my first post onto the forum. Both my husband and I are
looking forward to being a part of the group. I have been researching
my husband's family for an exciting,interesting and very challenging 8
years. We are looking forward to reading and connecting with other
enthusiasts.

Hi Jaimie,

I Also am researching the Aguallo family for my wife (Michelle Martinez Williams) who is the 2nd great grand daughter of Magdaleno Martinez who married Maria Eduvviges de Aguallo. This would make her the 5th great grand daughter of Diego de Aguallo and Francisca Veserra of Nochistlan.

I believe there is a connection for Diego de Aguallo to Diego de Aguallo and Ysabel de Espitia and that they may be his parents.

The connection is in the marriage record for Candido Aguallo to Anna Gertrudis Ballexo (* see listing below). The Padrinos are Macario Aguallo and Maria Monica Duran. The Macario Aguallo listed is Lucio Macario de Aguallo son of Diego de Aguallo and Ysabel de Espitia and may be the uncle to Candido de Aguallo.

I'm not sure about all this but the time period is right that Diego could be a son of Diego de Aguallo and Ysabel de Espitia and there seems to be a family connection.

Let me know what you think.

Thank you,
Johnny Williams

1st Marriage: Matrimonios

Hi George,

Thank you for the good news, I had read parts of the book with the Google Books preview but now I was able to read the complete dispensas and got some new names to my family tree.

Enrique Agraz

LOS GONZÁLEZ DE HERMOSILLO

Los antecedentes históricos de la familia González-Hermosillo se remontan a finales del Siglo XVI en la Nueva Galicia, pues vivieron y tuvieron propiedades y mercedes de tierras en Lagos, San Juan de los Lagos y Teocaltiche. Sin embargo, los González Díaz de León propietarios de Preciado, Cañaditas y Presa Nueva, entre otros ranchos y haciendas en Pinos Zacatecas y Ojuelos, Jalisco, tienen un origen histórico muy bien definido genealógicamente.

Descienden directamente de don Diego Ildefonso González de Hermosillo y Alderete, que nació en Teocaltiche hacia 1680. Él estudió unos cuantos años en el seminario Conciliar de Guadalajara sin llegar a tomar los hábitos, no obstante adquirió una esmerada educación, superior al común de la población. Vivió su juventud y se casó con doña Lorenza Manuela de Cabrera en el Real de Asientos a principios de Siglo XVIII. Los Cabrera venían de pueblo de Cuquío replicando lo que hicieron innumerables familias alteñas que

Hi Norberto
I would like to take a look at the info on the marriage to see if i can help in any way. It would be good if you posted the names and date of the marriage, the full citation, and the link to the image.

Regards
Denise
Fastrup

Hello Scott,

I don't doubt that the document that provides the ancestry of Petronila de
Moctezuma was found by don Guillermo Tovar de Teresa but as I have said
before we want to know what kind of document it is and when the book will
be published if they still plan to publish it and so on. That really is the
only document that we need at this moment. The others do not help in
proving the link between Petronila and Moctezuma II.

ITEM (2) The link that you provided
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=4&tx…
that the session has expired when clicked on. Apart from that the
link doesn't show on the Nuestros Ranchos site. Those type of links don't
show up.

Therefore, the advanced search has to be done at
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=100 but
you don't have to select anything before pasting MP-ESCUDOS,211 into
the Signatura:
field. All that has to be done after that is to click