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Names of Spanish Galleons

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Check Google Books for "Armada Española desde la union de los reinos de
Castilla y Aragón" by Cesáro Fernández Duro.

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I apologize that the link I sent for the book by Cesáro Fernández Duro is
the wrong volume. What you need is volume V for a list of the sailings to
New Spain.
Stella Cardoza

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Acerca de Aguascalientes y una dispensa

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Hola a todos:

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Salvador

I am having some trouble reading your posting (my Spanish is very, very poor! and the google translation is also not very good!)

One of the records you are looking for may be as follows

Aguascalientes, Informacion Matrimonial, volume 1676/1710, image 134, 9 Aug 1687.

Pretenso: Salvador Gonzales, son of Luis Gonzales and Catalina de Quiroga
Pretensa: Catalina Ortiz, daughter of Juan Ortiz and Luisa Ruis de Esparza.

I think Juan Ramirez and Juan Ortiz may be the same person, the Catalina Ortiz is the same as Catalina Ramirez.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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Hi George:

Thank you for your answer, I really apreciate it. Sorry about not writing my posts in English, i'll try to write them out also in the language that many of Nuestros Ranchos members speak.

Yes, you're right, all the names are the same, except for Juan Ortiz, but as you said, I do also think he's the same as Juan Ramírez. I'll investigate the new people, hope I can find something. Do you descend from them?

I owe you one.

Sincerely,
Enrique Salvador Agraz

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Enrique

You are welcome! Don't apologize about writing in Spanish; I can read a little, and am learning all the time. I often use google translation, but it will sometimes make the translation comical.

My wife descends from the Ruis de Esparza family, but not this particular couple.

I have been making an index of the Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations as part of the research into my wife's family. So when I see a query like yours, I usually check it.

I've posted the first two parts here at NR, under the Files section (Aguascalientes). They are at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18014 and go from the beginning to 1720.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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Hi George,

Juan Ortiz and Juan Ramirez are one in the same. I just him as Juan Ramirez-Ortiz married Luisa Ruiz de Esparza, daughter of Pedro Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lozano on 13 Dec 1666 in Aguascalientes. Juan and Luisa also had two other children I have identified. Isabel Ruiz de Esparza married Antonio de los Reyes on 11 Nov 1681 and Felipa Ramirez Ortiz baptized 25 Mar 1675 both events took place in the Sagrario of Aguascalientes. Thank you for the note on the marriage information for Salvador Gonzalez and Catalina Ramirez-Ortiz, did not have that one. Salvador died on 11 Nov 1710 in Aguascalientes, like you said he was the son of Luis Gonzalez and Catalina Ruiz de Quiroga. Couple of months ago I learned Catalina was daughter of Francisco de Espitia and Francisca Ruiz de Quiroga, my ancestors through their son Bartolome de Espitia.

Daniel Mendez Camino

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I’m still trying to prove that these Ramírez Ortiz are related to my Joseph Ramírez who married María Martínez de Alarcon. Also, Isabel Ramírez who married Juan Alonso de los Hinojos. I believe all these “early” Ramírez are related. Juan is the clue, Ramírez and Ortiz are somehow related.

Daniel M.

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Daniel,
Do you know if Miguel Alonzo de los Ynojos is descended/related to your Juan
de los Hinojos? Miguel and Philipa de Galarza had children in Teocaltiche,
Jal., in 1711 & 1713, Juana Francisca and Feliciana (my 6ggmo). I'd
appreciate any info/thoughts on the matter that you may have re the Alonzo
de Ynojos(var. Hinojos).
Thanks.

Raquel Ruiz

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Daniel and others,
Here is the Ramirez-Ortiz connection. Pedro Ortiz married Catalina Ramirez around 1620 (perhaps in Aguascalientes). Their descendants are listed under either surname in different documents throughout their life, which is a major source of confusion. Pedro and Catalina had at least two children. 1) Felipe (Phelipe) Ortiz (born circa 1623 in Aguascalientes) married in Aguascalientes on April 26 1643 to Josepha de Avila, daughter of Luis de Avila and Clara de Amaia (Anaya), and 2) Juan Ramirez (or Ortiz) married on December 13 1666 to Luisa Ruis de Esparza daughter of Pedro Ruiz de Esparza y Juana Lozano. Juan and Luisa had at least four children: 1) Isabel Ramirez (aka Isabel Ortiz) married in Aguascalientes on November 11 1681 to Antonio de los Reyes, 2) Catalina Ortiz married to Salvador Gonzalez (son of Luis Gonzalez and Catalina Quiroga (Aspitia), 3) Felipa Ortiz (no additional info), and 4) Nicolas Ramirez (or Ortiz) married October 8 1692 in Aguascalientes to

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Daniel, George and others,

The proof the Juan Ramirez and Juan Ortiz are the same person can be found in the 'Informacion Matrimonial' of Juan second marriage to Maria Garcia (February 16 1676, Aguascalientes). The name of his parents (Phelipe Ortiz and Josepha de Avila) and his first wife (Luisa Ruiz de Esparza) are listed therein.

La pruba de que Juan Ramirez y Juan Ortiz son la misma persona se puede ver en la Informacion Matrimonial del segundo matrimonio de Juan con Maria Garcia 16 Febrero 1676 en Aguascalientes). Tanto el nombre de sus padres, Phelipe Ortiz y Josepha de Avila, como de su primera esposa, Luisa Ruiz de Esparza, son incluidos en ese documento.

Sinceramente

Jaime Alvarado

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Jaime:

Gracias por la información. Una explicación para el cambio de apellidos, tan común en el México novohispano. Sólo una pequeña duda, Juan Ortiz casado con Luisa Ruiz de Esparza es hijo o nieto de Pedro Ortiz y Catalina Ramírez? es que en el segundo comentario, citas como sus padres a Felipe Ortiz y Josefa de Ávila, pero en el primero entiendo que Felipe es hermano de Juan.

Otra pregunta para todos, en un comentario previo di por hecho la conexión con el emperador Moctezuma y he visto que la mayoría están de acuerdo con esto, pero entonces alguien podría confirmarme si estoy en lo cierto y si la conexión es:
1. Moctezuma II Xocoyotzin
2. Leonor de Moctezuma casada con Cristóbal de Valderrama
3. Leonor de Valderrama y Moctezuma casada con Diego Arias de Sotelo.
4. Petronila de Moctezuma casada con Martín Navarro
5. Ana Francisca de Gabay casada con Lope Díaz de Esparza y Díez de Eguinoa.

De antemano muchas gracias a todos, esta ascendencia que desconocía hasta hace una semana o

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Estimado Enrique,
Aqui incluyo la informacion detallada para evitar confusiones por haberlo hecho de memoria:

1ra Generación

1. Pedro Ortiz nació Alrededor de 1600 y murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con Catalina Ramirez Alrededor de 1620.

Hijos de Pedro Ortiz y Catalina Ramirez

1.1. i. Felipe (Phelipe) Ortiz nació en 1623 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, México y murió en una fecha desconocida.
1.2. ii. Ana Ortiz nació en 1625 y murió en una fecha desconocida.

2da Generación (Hijos)

1.1. Felipe (Phelipe) Ortiz nació en 1623 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, México y murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con Josepha de Avila el 26 Abr. 1643 en El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, México. Josepha, es hija de Luis de Avila y Clara de Amaia (Anaya), nació en 1625 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, México y murió en una fecha desconocida.

Hijos de Felipe (Phelipe) Ortiz y Josepha de Avila

1.1.1. i. Pedro Ortiz Avila nació el 25 Ene. 1644 en

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Estimado Enrique,

Gracias por tu sincero interés en compartir tu interés en la genealogía. Al respecto sobre Moctezuma, como menciona el Sr. Jaime Alvarado, no existe documentación válida para establecer la genealogía de los Ruiz de Esparza al de Moctezuma. Sin embargo, tenemos varias pistas con documentos. La genealogía que mencionas es lo mismo que tengo en mis archivos. Lo tengo así basado por la época de cada generación, pero falta la documentación para comprobarla.

Moctezuma II
Leonor también conocida como Mariana o Marina en unos casos casado con el conquistador español Cristóbal de Valderrama.
Leonor de Valderrama casada con el noble hijosdalgo y conquistador Diego Arias Sotelo.
Petronila de Moctezuma casada con el conquistador Martín de Gabay.
Ana Francisca de Gabay casada con Lope Ruiz de Esparza, Señor de los palacios de Esparza.

Hubo una ocasión que varios genealogistas intentaron vincular Hernán Cortés en esta genealogía, pero esto fue falsificado. Tal vez una gran

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola mendezdetorres
un cordial saludo
me encontre con esta publicacion
y me llamo mucha la atencion un punto del escrito
donde mencionas que existe un documento en el cual comprueba
que petronila moctezuma mujer de martin de navarro es bisnieta
del emperador moctezuma ll me gustaria saber como puedo obtener
este documento o orientarme como buscarlo , o si lo tienes me harias el favor
de pasarmelo
te lo agradecerias mucho
que tengas un buen dia
saludos
bye

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola mendezdetorres
un cordial saludo
me encontre con esta publicacion
y me llamo mucha la atencion un punto del escrito
donde mencionas que existe un documento en el cual comprueba
que petronila moctezuma mujer de martin de navarro es bisnieta
del emperador moctezuma ll me gustaria saber como puedo obtener
este documento o orientarme como buscarlo , o si lo tienes me harias el favor
de pasarmelo
te lo agradecerias mucho
que tengas un buen dia
saludos
bye

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Daniel:

Dos preguntas:

1. Ya que desciendes de Francisco de Espitia y de Francisca Ruiz de Quiroga, ¿Has podido avanzar en su ascendencia?

2. Acerca de Juan Ortiz o Ramírez, sé que en su acta de matrimonio no aparecen sus padres pero, ¿Hasta ahora han podido determinar de quién era hijo?

Por otro lado, con los datos que me han proporcionado ya pude avanzar mi línea de Ruiz de Esparza y la encuentro sumamente interesante, el ser descendientes del emperador Moctezuma es para mí un gran orgullo y agradezco esa valiosa información que me ayudó a encontrar dicho vínculo.

Saludos.

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Estimado Enrique,

Sobre los Espitía o Aspitía no tengo ningún dato adicional. Ahora si existe la posbilidad que mi antepasado Francisco de Espitía era hermano de Hernando de la Torre y Espitía quien casó Juana Vásquez de Retamosa el 11 de enero de 1615 en Aguascalientes. Aun no hay ningún dato ni documento fidedigno que lo puede comprobar.

Sobre los Ruiz de Quiroga ni tengo nada. Casi tomé unos tres meses en probarla y vincular mi antepasada con algunos trucos y paciencia, saldrán los datos que buscamos. Por ahora donde sucede el apellido Ruiz de Quiroga tengo lo siguiente:

Francisco de Espitía casó a Francisca Ruiz de Quiroga quienes tuvieron cuatro vástagos cuyos nombres eran, mi antepasado 1. Bartolomé de Espitía quien tuvo a mi antepasada Francisca Ruiz de Quiroga, 2. Catalina Ruiz de Quiroga, quien también tuvo una hija llamada María Ruiz de Quiroga. 3. Isabel de Espitía, 4. Juana de Espitía.

Lo del emperador Moctezuma, si es interesante, pero tenemos que buscar un dato

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Daniel:

Estoy de acuerdo contigo, al menos podemos estar prácticamente seguros que descendían de Moctezuma, mas no se sabe con certeza de que línea. Ojalá algún día se halle por ahí algún documento que pueda probarlo. Aunque como tu bien mencionas, por las fechas y el lugar, lo más seguro es que sea por la línea que has descrito.

Me parece muy padre, que podamos conectar a estos personajes del México prehispánico a nuestro árbol, ya que me identifica aún más como mexicano de lo que ya soy. Igualmente ya con el paso de los años, las familias criollas van teniendo un sentido de pertenencia a su nueva patria, ya que aunque sus orígenes son españoles nacieron en este suelo y se sienten orgullosos de ello.

Gracias y mucha suerte.

Enrique

Historia no escrita de Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas

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Revisando la Capellania fundada por mi 8vo abuelo el Capitan Nicolas Sánchez-Castellanos adverti que algunos datos de la historia de Monte Escobedo no concuerdan, Nicolas obtiene en 1689 de Juan de E

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Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society Conference in Sacramento

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If anyone is interested in attending this year's conference please be sure
to check the updated flyer. It was uploaded today.

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A mi esposo y a mi nos gustaría participar en la conferencia que tienen programada para el 14 de sept. en Sacramento, Cal.

Somos retirados y nuestro hobby desde hace 12 años es la genealogía.
Siendo mis antepasados maternos de Guadalajara y los Altos de Jalisco, el tema de la conferencia ha despertado nuestro interés.

Vivimos en el Edo. de Nueva York, por lo que llegaremos unos días antes, nos gustaría hospedarnos en donde se hospeden otros participantes. En que hotel se van a reunir?

Gracias y saludos
Bertha Medina de Boehm

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Bertha,

Este es el hotel para los participantes de la conferencia.

Sheraton
Grand Sacramento Hotel
1230
J Street 13th and J Street • Sacramento • California 95814 • USA • Phone: (916)
447-1700

Se les dice que pertenecen al grupo de Nueva Galicia Genalogical Society para recibir su descuento.

Buen Viaje!
 

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A mi esposo y a mi nos gustaría participar en la conferencia que tienen programada para el 14 de sept. en Sacramento, Cal.

Somos retirados y nuestro hobby desde hace 12 años es la genealogía.
Siendo mis antepasados maternos de Guadalajara y los Altos de Jalisco, el tema de la conferencia ha despertado nuestro interés.

Vivimos en el Edo. de Nueva York, por lo que llegaremos unos días antes, nos gustaría hospedarnos en donde se hospeden otros

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Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

Laura, I sent invitations to the people who had attended previous years conferences and to those on Nuestros Ranchos who'd expressed interest in the conference.

Initially it will reject you and put you on hold until I've had a chance to view and accept or reject your request. This is a dedicated page for correspondence and information for this year's conference only. We don't want just anyone accessing the site and filling it with SPAM.

Anyone who's interested in the conference, go to the link and I will get to it as soon as possible, I will be managing it and I check it several times a day. Laura, you are now a member, welcome.

Thanks for your patience,
Alicia

Family Tree update

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thanks to my cousin Vince Lopez from Arizona, I was able to add about 500 more living cousins from my MAYORGA pedigree in our Family Tree! (almost 14,000 total individuals)

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Unfortunately, if you are not a member of Ancestry or Roots you cannot access the website.  I know as I tried.  
 
Ann M. Gutierrez

>________________________________
> From: "josecarlos1944@hotmail.com"
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:01 PM
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Tree update
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>thanks to my cousin Vince Lopez from Arizona, I was able to add about 500 more living cousins from my MAYORGA pedigree in our Family Tree! (almost 14,000 total individuals)
>
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>the updated DE LEON and CARLOS Family Tree is located at RootsWeb.com under Jalisco Families
>
>http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jalisco_fa…
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>Jose Carlos de Leon

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Rootsweb.com is a free site that I use for my records so anyone can see them without having to pay a subscription charge. It may ask if you want to join but it's free and worth checking out again.
Linda in B.C.

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Unfortunately, if you are not a member of Ancestry or Roots you cannot access the website.  I know as I tried.  
 
Ann M. Gutierrez

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>Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:01 PM
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Tree update
>
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>thanks to my cousin Vince Lopez from Arizona, I was able to add about 500 more living cousins from my MAYORGA pedigree in our Family Tree! (almost 14,000 total individuals)
>
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>the updated DE LEON and CARLOS Family Tree is located at RootsWeb.com under

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Help in Zacoalco de Torres

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Hi, Everyone,

I am tracing my ancestry back in Zacoalco de Torres through the 1800s and I got stuck on my great-great-great-grandparents. Here is what I have:

Jose Santos Reynaga b.

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Hello, I´m researching ancestors in Zacoalco, too. Check my family file and see if you recognize any surnames.

I don´t have any Reynagas in my family tree, but I can give you some suggestions of what I do when I´m stuck in a similar situation. First, look for all the brothers and sisters of Maria Concepcion Reynaga. Don´t just assume that the names of the parents are spelled or written correctly on your direct ancestor´s baptism. Check what it says on the baptisms of their brothers and sisters. Next, check for the marriages and matrimonial informations for your ancestor Maria Concepcion Reynaga, and once again, for the marriages of her brothers and sisters. Often times, they mention the names of the parents, and if they were alive or dead at that time. Also, sometimes they provide the place of origin. With that you might get an approximate date of death of your ancestors Jose Santos Reynaga and Cristina Frias and you can look for their death certificates. Death certificates often

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FW: 2013 Conference flyer

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Subject: RE: 2013 Conference flyer

Here is the link to the NR site page for the conference:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21475

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@

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Ah, I see the email address has been changed. The previous flyer had a different email address, of which the owner hasn't responded to conference inquiries.

Thanks for the update.

Laura Gonzalez

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Hi Laura I did respond to inquiry few das ago, if you did not received my e-mail please contact me directly I am the treasurer for Nueva Galicia annaa_smith@yahoo.com Thank you
Anna

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] NEW email address for Conference!

Ah, I see the email address has been changed.  The previous flyer had a different email address, of which the owner hasn't responded to conference inquiries.

Thanks for the update.

Laura Gonzalez

Huizar, Flores and Salamanca

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Hi, My name is Rich and I am trying to research my heritage. I have been
able to compile some data, but have come to a stop.

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I would like thank Rosalinda for all the information she was able to give
us. Very helpful

Thanks Rich and Vicki

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You are so welcome, Rich and Vicki. It turns out that Rich is my cousin through one of his ancestral lines!

Rosalinda

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Submitted by rich on Mon, 2013-07-22 10:30.

I would like thank Rosalinda for all the information she was able to give
us. Very helpful

Thanks Rich and Vicki

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Hi Rich,
I did a quick search and records lookup, and I found the following informacion matrimonial, which provided the names of Luis’ parents:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18454-10075-96?cc=1874591&wc…
Luis, son of Eduardo Huizar and Bibiana Avalos married to Francisca, daughter of Encarnacion Salamanca and Juana Valenzuela

I found three children whose names were indexed at familysearch.org:

• Name Ygnacio Huizar Salamanca
• Gender Male
• Christening Date 01 Mar 1884
• Christening Place San Luis Obispo, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
• Father's Name Luis Huizar
• Mother's Name Francisca Salamanca
• Indexing Project (Batch) Number I07011-0
• System Origin Mexico-EASy
• GS Film number 443690
• Reference ID v 40 p 20

• Name Marcos Huizar
• Gender Male
• Christening Date 28 Apr 1890
• Christening Place Colotlán, Jalisco, Mexico
• Father's Name Luiz Huizar
• Mother's Name Francisca Salamanca
• Indexing Project (Batch) NumberI07010-9
• System Origin

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Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society Conference in Sacto

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The conference is in September, and I plan on going (assuming someone checks their email soon!). I was wondering if anyone else from here will be there.

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I usually bring my laptop with my genealogy, so I can compare notes with others. I also bring a small amount of supplies-- notebooks, post-its, etc. Since I live in So Cal, I brought some genealogy books with me, but I won't this time, as I'll have to fly there.

You may want to create some business cards with your contact information to connect with others.

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Laura,

I will be there, where do you live? It's a 2 hour drive for me as well but I will be going up the night before the conference. There will be a meet and greet dinner for anyone who wants to meetup the night before. The place and time still to be determined.

Alicia

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The conference is in September, and I plan on going (assuming someone checks their email soon!).  I was wondering if anyone else from here will be there. Since it starts so early, I'm thinking of going over on Friday night and staying at a hotel (Sacto is a two hour drive for me).

Laura

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Alicia,

I'm in Santa Rosa, Sonoma County. You're in San Jose, right? Please keep me updated on a place to stay, if a bunch of people are going up on Friday. I'm looking forward to this! I sent an email to the address on the flyer, but I haven't heard back yet. ?

Laura Gonzalez

Surnames/Apellidos

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I he encontrado una record bautismo que enumera el padre como Ramón Becerra, y la los abuelos paternos como Alejandro Becerra y la Aurelia Garcia.

Need help reading document

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I can't read much of this, I'd appreciate some help.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15256-5039-5?cc=1804458&wc=M…

It's the next to last entry on the right hand side.

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Thanks everyone. I'm disappointed that the priest didn't say how old the boy was, usually they write xx dias de nacido. Also, some of these priests have horrible writing, plus the wear and tear of the years.

Laura Gonzalez

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Laura,

This baptismal record reads as follows:

Al margen: "Christoval Manuel Español de este Pueblo Padrinos = Juan de Castañeda y Agustina Maria de Saldivar"

"En el año del Señor de mil setecientos y nuebe en el Pueblo de Taltenango baptize y puse los Santos Oleos a Christoval Manuel hijo de Hernando de Castañeda y de Antonia Perez españoles y vecinos desta Jurisdicion Padrinos Juan de Castañeda y Agustina María de Saldivar [a quienes] les adverti la cognacion espiritual y obligacion de enseñarle la doctrina Christiana y para que conste lo firme." [f] "Manuel de Messa Messa**"

** Este es un error. La firma debería decir Manuel de Messa y Cervantes, como en las partidas anteriores.

You have correctly stated the date, 1 Jan 1709.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Rgds,

BILL FIGUEROA

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Hi Laura
has anyone helped you?
I see what you have is correct. I also see the Padrinos: Juan de
Castañeda and Agustinna de Saldivar.
I also see where it states that Hernando & Antonia are 'vecinos de Tlat.
un mes". So they were new to the area.

MG

In a message dated 7/18/2013 2:48:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
mayangrl@sonic.net writes:

I can't read much of this, I'd appreciate some help.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15256-5039-5?cc=1804458&wc=M…
WP:972527880

It's the next to last entry on the right hand side.

Here's what I have:

Baptism
Name: Christoval Manuel Castañeda
Date: 1 Jan 1709
Father: Hernando de Castañeda
Mother: Antonia Perez

Thank you!
Laura Gonzalez

how does the couple in this marriage dispensation relate to each other

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15237-5588-25?cc=1804458&wc=…

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nevermind about that marriage dispensation, i figured out how that couple was related, but there's now another one i'm confused about

the couple in question is agustin del castillo and antonia de robles
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15237-6728-25?cc=1804458&wc=…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15237-6255-19?cc=1804458&wc=…

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Hello Katy,
I think there were two issues: the first, not requiring a dispensation, is that this couple had been living together for a year (Image 499); the primary issue is that (Image 502) the groom is the son of Francisco de la Torre and Maria Castillo AKA Maria la Grande. As an infant he was adopted and raised by Isabel de la Torre (sister of Francisco). However another brother, not named, is the father of Magdalena de la Torre, who is the mother of the bride.

I like charts:

Un-named de la Torre------Brothers--------Francisco de la Torre
Magdalena de la Torre-------1st Cousins---Agustin Castillo
Antonia Robles
(Bride)
Hope this is helpful!
Deedra Corona

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Katy, Some of these dispensations are better than a soap opera.

On Image 505 the groom states that he was raised and treated as a son by Isabel de la Torre. However, the truth is that he is actually the son of an Indio from Santa Maria named: Alonzo. Therefore he has no blood relationship to Antonia Robles.

Deedra Corona

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whoa,this marriage dispensation is full drama: questionable paternity, having the authorities come after them etc.

i wonder if this couple was able to get married afterwords, and if they had any children.

anyways magdalena's father is juan de la torre.

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They seem to be first cousins once removed: the groom was first cousin of the mother of the bride.

Antonia Robles was the daughter of Juan de Robles & Magdalena de la Torre.
Magdalena de Torres is the daughter of a brother of Francisco de la Torre.
Francisco de la Torre is the father of the groom, Agustín de Castillo.

So, Agustín del Castillo (groom) and Magdalena de Torres (mother of the bride) share paternal grandparents and are first cousins.

They eloped and the authorities were trying to arrest them.

Victoriano Navarro

Research Digest, Vol 90, Issue 12

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Hola Edgar, en mis registros encuentro que Juan Hernández Gamiño el que casó con Ana Domínguez de los Inojos cerca de 1660 era hijo de Domingo Hernández Gamiño que casó cerca de 1627 con Juana

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola peredo
un cordial saludo

estube checando la informacion que me publicastes
lo estube checanco en el familysearch en las microfilm
y solo encontre el matrimonio de blas hernandez y luisa domingues
en donde solo se mencionan los padres de luisa en aguascalientes 1654.

Estube viendo las microfilm de leon guanajuato el cual no encontre la defunciones de domingo hernandez y la de juana concepcion gomez, en cuanto al matrimonio de cristobal hernandez y maria ruiz velazco en 1653 no tube exito.

la pregunta
tienes algun registro de cualquier tipo donde puedo comprobar la linea de juan hernandez con domingo hernandez gamiño su padre?
ya se que me pases el enlace o me orientes como buscarlo
te lo agradeceria mucho

mil gracias por mandarme la informacion
que tengas un buen dia
saludos
bye

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Hola Edgar,

Yo soy descendiente de tres hijos de Domingo Hernández Gamiño y de Juana
Gómez de Espejo. Recomiendo mucho que intentes conseguir *Retoños de España
en la Nueva Galicia*. Ahí encontrarás referencias a todas las fuentes que
existen sobre esta familia.

Saludos,
Armando

2013/7/17

> Edgar Olguin Diaz
> hola peredo
> un cordial saludo
>
> estube checando la informacion que me publicastes
> lo estube checanco en el familysearch en las microfilm
> y solo encontre el matrimonio de blas hernandez y luisa domingues
> en donde solo se mencionan los padres de luisa en aguascalientes 1654.
>
> Estube viendo las microfilm de leon guanajuato el cual no encontre la
> defunciones de domingo hernandez y la de juana concepcion gomez, en cuanto
> al matrimonio de cristobal hernandez y maria ruiz velazco en 1653 no tube
> exito.
>
> la pregunta tienes algun registro de cualquier tipo donde puedo comprobar
> la linea de juan hernandez con domingo hernandez gamiño su padre?
> ya se que me

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Need help on several names: Espejo, Gomez, Biebiesca, Rubio, Cortes, Maciel, de Leon, de Anda, etc...

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Hi to all,

I've come to the end of several lines and need help going back further. Any leads/help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Info needed on persons in Parentheses ""

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hi.
 I do have Juan Asencio Ponze de Leon and Geronima Leivana Maciel with 2 children born Anna born1740 and Pedro born1742.
I also have Alvaro Maciel, Geronimas Father, and Ysabel Orosco his wife with 5 children but they are all aproximate dob. Juan abt 1720, Geronima abt 1721, Anna Leivana Maciel abt 1730, Maria abt 1735 and Luisa abt 1740. I do not have any going back further on these lines.
My maternal line was Alvarez del Castillo and Gutierrez from Chilchota, Michoacan so these people married into my lines. I do have my file posted on.
 
Rootsweb.com, my file name is Mexico
Linda in B.C.

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From: "jlblonde@sbcglobal.net"
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Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 12:39 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need help on several names: Espejo, Gomez, Biebiesca, Rubio, Cortes, Maciel, de Leon, de Anda, etc...

Hi to all,

I've come to the end of several lines and need help going back further. Any leads/help would be greatly

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Carlos Peredo
Hello Joe

I´m afraid I don´t have the information you are requesting but instead I´m surprised you have one date that nobody else seem to have, I mean de bautism date of Pedro Ruíz de Haro y Velasco. You see, he is my ancestor and so far I had found some works who state that he was born in Spain around 1590 and no parents. So my big question is: Do you have his parents ? and more importantly: Would you please share those names ?

I thank you in advance and off course I will be more than pleased if there is any way I can help you with some other names like Aceves, González de Hermosillo, Hernández Gamiño and Peredo

Investigacion Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos, S-XVII

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Hola a todos:

Estoy buscando esta informacion:

1- PADRON de la Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos y su Jurisdiccion Parroquial, levantado en el año 1676

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Gabay or Gabai: origin of surname

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Has anyone been able to find from which side of the family did Ana Francisca and Maria Gabay got their surname? I have tried to find that surname among Spanish surnames with little success. However, I have found that Gabay or Gabai is a Jewish surname. Further I learned that Gabay is a person that performs duties similar to an usher. Here is a description:

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In my family line, unposted so far, I have the name Garibaldi/Garibaldo and found it misspelled as Gabay. Maybe you are having the same issue. Try using Garibaldo/Garibaldi.

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Gabai/Gabay/Gabady/Gabadi is a surname that is shared by all of us that descend from Martín Navarro de Gabay and Petronila Moctezuma. They were the parents of Francisca Ana de Gabay and María Gabay. Francisca married Lope Ruíz de Esparza y Eguinoa. María married Pedro Fernández de Váulus. Many of us here at NR descend from Martín Navarro de Gabay.

This thread has always dealt with that family and it has no relation to the surname Garibaldo/Garibaldi. They are completely different lineages. There is even the chance that your ancestors are also Gabay and you mistook that it should be Garibaldo/Garibaldi.

Armando

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Gabay is an interesting subject, I think Gabay is a city in Spain, notably in Castilla. I dont think Gabay the spaniard family was jewish they were among the nobility of spain who would have never married a jew or non-catholic and the arabs. By luck it is a same word in Yiddish, just like english and spanish have alot of word spelled the same but mean totally different things. Francisca Gabay recieved it from her Father, Martín Navarro de Gabay a hijosdalgo. The surname is compouned forming NAVARRO DE GABAY, try searching NAVARRO. It looks like they didnt have many kids to our knowledge. -Daniel
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Hello....
Somebody know, If are there some relation between the last names GABADY
with GABAY?
Cristobal Villalobos

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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Daniel
Mendez
Enviado el: Lunes, 01 de Septiembre de 2008 11:29 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gabay or Gabai: origin of surname

Gabay is an interesting subject, I think Gabay is a city in Spain, notably
in Castilla. I dont think Gabay the spaniard family was jewish they were
among the nobility of spain who would have never married a jew or
non-catholic and the arabs. By luck it is a same word in Yiddish, just like
english and spanish have alot of word spelled the same but mean totally
different things. Francisca Gabay recieved it from her Father, Martín
Navarro de Gabay a hijosdalgo. The surname is compouned forming NAVARRO DE
GABAY, try searching NAVARRO. It looks like they didnt have many

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Gabadi is a proper Euskara (Basque) surname. The meaning of the name is unknown, but, as has already been mentioned, it is believed to indicate an origin in the Basque village of Gabat, in present-day Southern France. Gabay is just a latinization (Spanish) of the original Euskara name. You can find several "famous" Basque persons with the name Gabadi.
In Euskara, gabai means "sea gull," but I don't know if it is ever used as a surname.
Many Euskara names have become standard Spanish names, like Elizalde, for example. Lisardi is another Basque name that you find a lot in Aguascalientes that is frequently misspelt.

Scott Stockwell

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Gabat/Gabadi is a small village about 25 miles due East of Bayone, is
Southern France. Very close to the border with Spain.

John Gonzalez

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gabay or Gabai: origin of surname

Gabay is an interesting subject, I think Gabay is a city in Spain, notably
in Castilla.

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