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Hello siriuslr: yes I do have all of their children but what I was looking for was their grandparents. Non of their birth/baptismal records show grandparents. And who was lety reynoso?
Thanks, L.Carrillo

Hi Denise,

The surname is Trancoso, not Francoso. I have not yet run across the surname Francoso in Aguascalientes, yet Trancoso is a fairly common surname in the region. Look at the difference between the "T" in Matias Trancoso and the "F" in Fermin de Medina.

Regards,

BILL FIGUEROA

Denise Fastrup

I have found Mr. Inclan's genealogies extremely helpful, and he also is good about providing the sources. His email address is on his webpage, which I don't have handy, but he's not hard to find on the net. (He has been good at responding to my inquiries, despite the fact he must get a lot of emails!)

I found it useful to google a name/surname I was interested in, together with "Inclan", and usually the relevant genealogy popped up. Try that, before you write him, as a lot of information is already easily available. I absolutely recommend using his genealogies as a way in to the maze of family history.

Regards
Denise

Yes, Based on my extensiv research on the Mendozas, all of them from Spain including the new world come from Pedro González, Señor de Mendoza. If any of you are a descendant of this very intelligent man, you are related to every Monarch of europe. There's only about 5 currently. We have to remember the great importance the Mendozas played in Spain. They are descended from the Kings of Navarra. The Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza from Jalisco, "her father was supposed to be Diego Hurtado de Mendoza who settled in los ALtos, but there's no proof! He came from Huelva, spain. Its hard to track down this Diego because in the same time period there was over 7 Diego Hurtado de Mendozas. I come from several lines from PEdo de Mendoza, but this is my main line.

Daniel Méndez del Camino b: 1992
José Gabriel Méndez y Cortés b: 1956
Martín Méndez de Serrano b: 1917
Lucía Gutiérrez de Serrano y Rubio de Mónrroy b: 1889
Juan José Gutiérrez de Serrano b: 1853
José Jesús Francisco de Serrano y de

John Inclan's e-mail address appears on that SomosPrimos website:
fromgalveston@yahoo.com

I hope he answers you. He has never responded to me. He seems to have done a lot of research and has accessed many resources that many of us have not. He also generously shares much of his research for free via genealogy websites.

Sure, we at Nuestros Ranchos can find commons ancestors in Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes, but not all branches have descendants in Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon, Chihuahua, Texas and New Mexico.

I see you have Arellano in your ancestry. I have Felix de Arellano.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 12:08 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Somos Primos

Hola a todos de Nuestros Ranchos. I was browsing at www.somosprimos.com went to the search block and put- padilla davila. I then scrolled to Descendents of Lord Pedro Gonzalez de Mendoza

Just a short note, isn't that the same thing as saying we're all related to Adam and Eve?

Jose Carlos de Leon

If I have an actual date, I usually start from that date and look backwards in the Informacion matrimonial. Usually I find that what I am looking for was recorded two to three months before the actual wedding date, however I have had cases where I found the information six months to a year before the actual wedding. It all depends if the marriage was contested or if the individuals had to provide additional documentation to be cleared to marry.
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: analemmer@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 16:58:58 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] informacion matrimonial
>
> I was wondering how to look up informacion matrimonial if i have the actual wedding date..what dates do i need to look at...my second request is if any maps of the old haciendas/ranchos or towns exists..i am researching jalisco..some of the places are el sentro,,la azerquila,,el carrizo,,palocuate and others...any and all help will be appreciated

Those look to be places near Arandas.

Palo Cuate
http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/palo-cuate-3/

El Carrizal (possibly was formerly known as El Carrizo)
http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/el-carrizal-carrizal-de-abajo/

El Centro
http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/el-centro-2/

I can't find La Azerquila nor do I have any idea of the origin or meaning
of the word. It may have gone through a name change or the current spelling
might be very different.

Saludos
Armando

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:58 PM, wrote:

> I was wondering how to look up informacion matrimonial if i have the
> actual wedding date..what dates do i need to look at...my second request is
> if any maps of the old haciendas/ranchos or towns exists..i am researching
> jalisco..some of the places are el sentro,,la azerquila,,el
> carrizo,,palocuate and others...any and all help will be appreciated

Ana,

You can find the informacion matrimonial records, usually in the same collection where you found the marriage record. Just that it is called informacion matrimonial. Usually the entry in the informacion matrimonial record is found within 3 weeks to 2 months before the actual marriage. Also be aware, that not every marriage was kept in the informacion matrimonial.

If you are looking for old maps, try looking at davidrumsey.com , they do have some old maps for different states in Mexico. If you are trying to find where the places are/were at, I would suggest the gazetteer by Antonio Garcia Cubas. the link to the collection is http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm .

I hope that this helps.

thanks,
Jonathan Walker

go to the link below, then click the municupality you want to look for records in(in your case click guadalajara)

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.f…

then click the part of guadalajara they came fromn, and see if you can find a collection of baptismal records that contain the years they were born. if not then search for both of their parents(if you know their names and birth year and month of course. the reason why i didn't say birthday since the baptismal day isn't usually on the child's birthday, it's sometime after, like a couple days, perhaps weeks)

this 17 page testimony is a denouncement of Valentin Dolores Acosta and Maria Laurentina Flores marriage based on their relationship of being cousins. Valentin's mother Juana De San Pablo de Casas brouht this action one year after her son married. This is everyone's testimony.

I don't understand why Juana thought her son's marriage was invalid.

Jose Carlos de Leon

This is fascinating. Dionicio was a Spaniard? The doc is kind of hard to read, but I get that he had an affair with his sister-in-law, but I don't see what the purpose is? They had to confess their sins AND get it written up in the church books as well? Has anyone ever seen anything like this before. I haven't checked the other pages to see if it's more of the same stuff.

Dionicio Flores is my 3rd GGF. This appears to be an info/inquest hearing of his marriage to Gertrudis Mendoza. It states that he was having an illicit affair with Margarita Olaya Mendoza, his wife's sister.

Jose Carlos de Leon

What a nice way to say "so long" to those who loved us and we loved back, and mostly to honor their lives and culture with such a frame!
I have to quote Daniel Webster: "The man who feels no sentiment of veneration for the memory of his forefathers; who has no natural regard for his ancestors, or his kindred, is himself unworthy
of kindred regard, or remembrance"
No more to say, my fraternal hug goes for you and your family, and thank you very much for sharing.

erniealderete@charter.net escribió:
That's all fascinating, cousin John. I hope to get back to researching our ancestry after I settle into my new home this weekend.

I leave Los Angeles this Friday en route to my new home which I have named Las Brisas.
A magnificent 5-unit complex on 47th Avenue between Sutro Heights and Balboa in the Outer Richmond.

Its a block east of Sutro Heights Park, 2 blocks north of Golden Gate Park, an easy walk to Ocean, Baker and Seal Rocks Beaches. An exquisite site! My not so little

Denise Fastrup

Hello

I found this post yesterday and out of curiousity decided to try it. Got to the image but when I click on the + to enlarge, the image disappears and I get a little x up in the corner.I hope someone else will take a minute to try to enlarge the image and let me know if it worked. Here is the direct link to the pagewhich gives access to the image - click on VER IMAGINES.

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=3&tx…

Thanks (in advance!)
Denise

I have recently finished reading the book "Moctezuma's Children, Aztec Royalty Under Spanish Rule, 1520-1700" by Donald E. Chipman. What an excellent book! And it's in English which makes it easier for me to truly understand! It has genealogy charts for Moctezuma, his children and grandchildren. Donald Chipman is professor Emeritus of History at the University of North Texas in Denton. In 2003, King Juan Carlos I of Spain knighted him as a Caballero of the Royal Order of Isabella the Catholic, the highest honor that can be accorded to a non-Spaniard. In this book he discusses the politics and cultures of Mexico, Spain and the Caribbean Islands which really help make our ancestors come to life. He and his assistants have spent years of research in both Mexico and Spain and everything is thoroughly documented. For those of you who may be interested, I purchased this book at BarnesandNoble.com and paid $24.95 US. However, after I purchased it, I found that it was cheaper ($16.75

George,
Tried the search in Pares following your instructions for advanced search, but I got a message that the document could not be found. Is there another field in addition to the ones you mentioned that may be missing from your instructions.

Thanks

Jaime Alvarado

Hola Members,In www.somosprimos.com this January's issue there is a Moctezuma lineage in the mexican chapter. Maybe I missed something or blind ,who was Petrolina de Moctezuma's parents ? I might of overlooked it or dont know what I was reading.
Ronnie Reynoso

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: gpf13@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 21:39:00 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Moctezuma's Descendants in the Archive of the Indies
>
> I have found some charts of the descendants of Moctezuma in the Archive of the Indies in Portal Archivos de Espanoles (PARES) that may be of interest to Nuestros Ranchos members:
>
> AGI: MP-ESCUDOS 212
>
> This is a one page chart created after 1594 (exact date unknown). The page is partially damaged on the sides (thus some information is missing), and is headed with Moctezuma, then daughter Dona Ysabel with her three legitimate marriages (Alonso de Grado, Pedro Gallegos Andrade, and Juan Cano).
>
> Her illegitmate daughter by Cortes is

Sometimes if they were related you will find where they had to provide a family tree for both individuals in the "Informacion Matrimonial" records.
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: detective1920@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:15:55 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] how do i firgure out how this couple is related
>
> when i was looking up marriage records jose manueel villegas's sister gertrudis i found this page
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18453-62919-41?cc=1874591&wc…
>
> the document says that she is related to her spouse, but it doesn't say how.
>
> trying to figure this out will help me at least find the name of her grandparents on at least one side of her family.

Check out Guadalajaradispensas.com to see if it has been extracted.
 
Anna Arellano Smith
 
Sacramento area 

From: "detective1920@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:15 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] how do i firgure out how this couple is related

when i was looking up marriage records jose manueel villegas's sister gertrudis i found this page

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18453-62919-41?cc=1874591&wc…

the document says that she is related to her spouse, but it doesn't say how.

trying to figure this out will help me at least find the name of her grandparents on at least one side of her family.

The names with a question mark are Ma. Eugenia de Haro (which you had
correctly) and Gertrudis Mayorga.

Teniente de cura is an auxiliary priest that does some of the work of the
regular priest. The regular priest is the one that is responsible for the
church.

Illegitimate children were definitely baptized. The baptisms would say hijo
de padres no conocidos when neither parent was named amd hijo natural when
only the mother was named or if both parents were names but not married.

Just because the baptism record can't be found doesn't mean she wasn't
baptized. It could be a name was written incorrectly when your ancestor was
baptized or the record was lost. There are a lot of baptisms that are
missing for a lot of my ancestors or their siblings.

Armando

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Laura Gonzalez wrote:

> Hola,
>
> Can someone help me decipher the names with (??) on this baptismal
> certificate?
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15087-5072-31?cc=1410092&wc

To Laura,

The maternal grandmother is simply Gertrudis Mayorga. The other names are OK as you have them. A suggestion: you may want to keep track of the name of the padrinos. Sometimes those names are helpful. Teniente de cura means assistant priest or ass't pastor. All of the children who were brought to be baptized were baptized. They were labeled differently. I hope this helps you.

David Delgado, Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
>From: Laura Gonzalez
>Sent: May 31, 2012 3:11 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help reading baptismal certificate
>
>Hola,
>
>Can someone help me decipher the names with (??) on this baptismal
>certificate?
>https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15087-5072-31?cc=1410092&wc=…
> (left side, last entry)
>
>Here's what I've figured out so far:
>Name: Jose Tiburcio Castañeda
>Gender: M
>Baptism date: 26 Apr 1832
>Church: San Cayetano
>Birth date: 14 Apr 1832
>Birth place: "Cerritos" Atolinga, Zac

Hello Denise,

I can't help you with what you are asking about. Here is what I can give
you:

The marriage of the parents of Joseph Raphael Prudencio Romo de Vivar and
Joseph Raphael Silvestre Romo de Vivar (Antonio Romo and Maria Ana de Alva)
can be found at the following:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13033-121643-47?cc=1410092…

The parents of Antonio Romo were my ancestors Miguel Romo de Vivar (hijo
natural de José Romo de Vivar y Ruiz de Esparza) and Josefa Ana Macías
Valadez y Gómez de Espejo.

As far as finding out which Rafael married Rafaela you need to find both of
the baptisms and see if either of them died at birth. If not then look
through all of the volumes of Información Matrimonial for the whole state
of Aguascalientes which would be a daunting task. What you could get from
the Información Matrimonial is the reported age of the groom but it isn't
always accurate, however if you can find one for both Joseph Raphael
Prudencio Romo de Vivar and

Hello Katy,

You actually posted a link of some marriages of Colotlán. However, if your ancestor Isabel de Ulloa was a parishioner of Colotlán, there is a hamlet called "Arroyo del Fraile", located in the municipality of Del Nayar in the state of Nayarit. It is relatively close to Colotlán.

Here is the link of an informational page of "Arroyo del Fraile" that contains a map of the community.

http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/arroyo-del-fraile/

Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez

Pues yo recuerdo que alguno de los miembros de nuestros ranchos comento algo molesto del asunto y la persona que llevaba la pagina decidio ya no comentar mas respecto.

En mi opinion debemos utilizar toda clase de herramienta incluido el ADN para destrabar algunas de nuestras investigaciones, a algunos de nosotros se nos ha complicado la busqueda por falta de archivos ya sea que fueron quemados y destruidos por las guerras o por desastres naturales. Hay personas que han busacdo por varios años y han encontrado con dificultad los registros (dificilmente pero han sido encontrados).Yo los invito a que utilicen esta herramienta. Pongo mi ejemplo, me caban de entregar mi resultado de Family Finder donde me han dado varias pistas de por donde se llegaron algunos de mis primos, lo que da pistas por donde buscar.