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I would like to clarify that Antonio De la Cadena does not descend from the Gutierrez Cavalleria. He descends from the Cavalleria family, but does not have Gutierrez in his last name. His Cavalleria ancestors are a couple of generations back. Antonio De Saavedra Guzman and his wife were second cousins through their Estrada lines, and distant cousins through their Cavalleria lines.

Rick A. Ricci

Arias De Saavedra descent throughJosefa Perez Maldonado who married Manuel Lomelin and left many descendants in Los Altos De Villanueva, Nueva Galicia [presently known as Los Altos De Jalisco, Jalisco]. The first section that was compiled by Jose De Meza. This tree is based on “el ARBOL GENEALOGICO Y BLASONES DE LA ILUSTRE CASA DE SAAVEDRA HASTA DON FERNAN DE SAAVEDRA, POR RODRIGO MENDEZ SILVA, CORONISTA GENERAL DE SU MAGESTAD CATOLICA EN ESTOS REINOS DE ESPAÑA, Y MINISTRO DEL SUPREMO CONSEJO DE CASTILLA, 25.9.1653”. I compiled the second section of this line staring from (27.)

Josefa Perez Maldonado is my and my wife’s tenth great-grandmother. This line that I show here goes to my wife’s grandfather, Francisco A. Tostado y Casillas

I still need to review every step to confirm this work. I added a correction as to the ancestry of the Martel as the evidence points not to French royalty as many genealogists claim, but to French Jewish ancestry.
Rick A. Ricci.

1.) FERRANDO

Many years ago a drawing was being passed around as the image of Martin Casillas “el Alarife”. It turns out that the image was really of another one of my ancestors Antonio Saavedra Guzman, an historian and poet. Antonio Saavedra Guzman is the maternal grandfather of Josefa and Angela Perez Maldonado.

https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:El_peregrino_indiano_Texto_impr…

Rick A. Ricci
Source Mygenes2000

I descend from Josefa Perez Maldonado and Manuel Lomelin. Josefa Perez Maldonado is the daughter of Isabel Saavedra Monroy and ? Pérez Maldonado. In the record that I show here it lists her father as Luis Perez Maldonado. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6D92-M7?i=1069&cc=1874…

I believe that some of the confusion regarding whether the father’s name is Luis or Diego is that there were two “Luis Perez Maldonado”, father and son, and the elder Luis is the son of a Diego Perez Maldonado.

Isabel Saavedra y Monroy is the daughter of Juan Saavedra Guzman who descends from Alonso Estrada el tesorero, (who claimed to be son of King Ferdinand II el catolico) through two of his daughters as again we find endogamy in the family. Juan Saavedra Guzman also descends from King Pedro “el cruel” Rey De Castilla.

There is also some confusion over Isabel Saavedra y Monroy’s mother as her father was married twice. I am unsure as to which wife is her mother though I suspect

Carlos,

You descend from the Hernandez Gamino family numerous times through intermarriage. This is how you descend from the Hernandez Gamino through the ancestry of María Valentina Padilla who is a distant cousin of her husband, José María Hernández.

1. Domingo Hernández Gamino married to Juana Gómez de Espejo, and are the parents of
2. Cristobal Hernandez Gamino y Gómez de Espejo married to María de Los Angeles Ruiz De Haro y Velasco and are the parents of
3. Diego Hernandez Gamino married to Gertrudis Casilllas Cabrera Mendoza Torres and are the parents of
4. Jacinta Hernández Gamino married to Christobal Macias Valadez and are the parents of
5. Juana Antonia De San Jose Macias married to Jose Antonio Padilla Moya and parents of
6. Jose Thomas Padilla married to Josefa Hernandez, and are the parents of
7. Pablo Padilla married to María De San Jose Ornelas, and are the parents of
8. María Valentina Padilla married to José María de Jesús Hernández

Rick A. Ricci

Carlos,

Here is some information on the ancestry of María Valentina Padilla:

María Valentina Padilla is the daughter of Pablo Padilla and María De San Jose Ornelas.

Pablo Padilla is the son of Jose Thomas Padilla and Josefa Hernandez

José Thomas Padilla is the son of Jose Antonio Padilla and María Antonia Macias

José Antonio Padilla is the son of Jose Blas Padilla and Josefa de Moya

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Padilla-351

Pablo Padilla
Spouse's Name Maria San Jose Ornelas
Event Date 20 Jun 1812
Event Place Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico
Father's Name Tomas Padilla
Mother's Name Josefa Hernandes
Spouse's Father's Name Jose Ornelas
Spouse's Mother's Name Maria Nieves De La Torre
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCFS-M45 : 10 February 2018), Pablo Padilla and Maria San Jose Ornelas, 20 Jun 1812; citing Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm

Hello Carlos,

Here is a record that you may want to check out:

Gregorio de Jesus Hernandez Rodriguez
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 19 Nov 1808
Event Place Santa María de Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender Male
Father's Name Jose Maria Hernandez
Mother's Name Ysavel Rodriguez
Paternal Grandfather's Name Juan Ygnacio Hernandez
Paternal Grandmother's Name Ana Maria Orosco
Maternal Grandfather's Name Juan Francisco Rodriguez
Maternal Grandmother's Name Maria Petronila Nunez
Citing this Record
México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979, database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK72-KX8Q : 8 March 2018), Juan Ygnacio Hernandez in entry for Gregorio de Jesus Hernandez Rodriguez, 19 Nov 1808; citing Baptism, Santa María de Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico, parroquias Católicas Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco); FHL microfilm 279,529.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-VP9M-HL?i=213&cc=18745…

Check out this

Hi Prima Susana (it's been a while):

So, I have a note that that information came from a tree by Salvador Cabral on Rootsweb, but that tree no longer exists there. However, he did place his tree here:
https://gw.geneanet.org/salvadorcabral?lang=es&p=andres&n=de+la+torre . there's a button to contact him to find out more. I think, if you're lucky, he constructed the connections through dispensas. Let me know what you find out!

Rosalinda

English is not my first language, but i tried my best.

En el año del señor de 1819, en 31 de Octubre, habiendo precedido las tres canonicas -ilegible words-
en tres dias festivos -lintra missarum solemnia- y no habiendo impedimento alguno, yo el B Don Fernando Villaseñor cura de este partido los case y vele por palabras presente, habiendo y expresado el mutuo consentimiento Jose Sacramento Ledesma con Ma. Josefa Alvarado Espanoles, de San Diego Buenaventura que hacer verdadero y legitimo matrimonio, confesado y comulgado y estando instruidos en la doctrina cristiana PP (padrinos) (could be Jesus Telles, not sure )y Ramona Ledesma

In the year of the lord of 1819, on October 31, having proceeded the three canonical -ilegible words- on three holy days- lintra missarum solemnia (latin)- and having not found any impediment, I Don Fernando Villasenor, priest of this town, married vele (vele, not sure what it means in a catholic marriage), and having said the words, and expressed

Hi Prima Susana (it's been a long time since we talked!),

Just so you know, the older Colotlan records from the book were some unfilmed records from the local convent in Colotlan. I know those records are unavailable on Family Search; I believe my primo Arturo had a contact down there so he was able to see the records.

To answer what I can, Cienega in this case is Cienega de Santa Rosa, a ranch currently in the area of Totatiche. I believe the oldest Colotlan records (the Totatiche church isn't as old as that)would be the convent records, which Arturo transcribed. If the baptism isn't there, the next oldest church is Tlaltenango. However, I have been unsuccessful in looking for similar records-- I believe they either don't exist or have been lost or destroyed in some way.

I have a lot of dead ends in the area! I hope this helps.

Rosalinda

Where exactly is Calvillo there? Back then Calvillo was called Huejucar and belonged to the Juchipila Partido

My 3rd great father Mariano Camino was given a land grant for a very large hacienda in Huanusco, Zacatecas: The name of the Hacienda was

Hacienda de Nuestra Senora de La Luz ("La Luz")

It was given to him in the year 1899

Bill:

This is a very good question. In answering this question it is very important to understand Mexican colonial history and particularly the history of the political divisions within Mexico during Spanish colonial times.

As you probably know all of Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, Jalisco and Nayarit were part of the Viceroyalty of Nueva Galicia. The viceroyalty had its own audencia (court) and government based in Guadalajara. Other than the indigenous towns in the region of Colotlan and Bolanos which were directly ruled by the Viceroy of New Spain in Mexico City, the government in Guadalajara handled all land matters for Nueva Galicia.

I know that for the region around Jerez, Tlaltenango and the surrounding areas in Zacatecas, most of the land grants are found in Guadalajara in the Archivo Historico del Estado de Jalisco in their "Tierras y Aguas" collection. There are subsquent transactions (sales, mortgages, etc.) found in Zacatecas in the state archive in Guadalupe (as this was

I believe the confusion arises out of Romero de Solis, author of Andariegos y Pobladores, mistanking Pedro de Arevalo, son of Alonso de Arevalo and Beatriz Lopez de Ayala, with Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro, son of Juan (Ortiz) de San Pedro and Catalina Lopez (de Ayala). There is no reason why a son of the first couple would bear the last name "Ortiz de San Pedro.

The reason he makes the mistake is that Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro (whom Romero de Solis sometimes refers to as "Pedro de Arevalo") had a brother named Gonzalo Lopez de Ayala (this Gonzalo takes the name from his mother, Catalina Lopez "de Ayala"), whom Romero de Solís refers to as "el Mozo", and Beatriz Lopez de Ayala had a brother with the same name (whom Romero de Solis refers to as "the elder"). In certain document, Gonzalo Lopez de Ayala (el Mozo) refers to Pero Ortiz as his brother: "según declaración de Marcos de Cárdenas, moreno libre, mayor de 40 años de edad, hallándose en casa de Diego de Monroy, hará 3 meses, al tiempo

There is a new post in the Facebook genealogy group: Genealogia de San Juan de Los Lagos y Los Altos de Jalisco.

Agustine,

My ancestor Antonio San Martin Estrada married Jospepha, the daughter of Martin Tello de Orozco and Lorenza de Haro. Have you come across anymore San Martin Estrada’s?

Kind Regards

Oe

Hola Agustine:

La historia de detallada de la vida de Beatriz la lei en un archivo PDF que puedes ver en línea llamado "Andariegos y Pobladores de Nueva España y Nueva Galicia" de Miguel Romero de Solís.

También hay una sección dedicada a su hijo Pedro de Arévalo quien fue su sucesor.
Los otros dos hijos de Beatriz: Gonzalo y Diego utilizaban el apellido López de Ayala en lugar del apellido paterno Arévalo.

Gonzalo murió antes que su madre.

Saludos

Marcelina

.
wife of second cousin 2x removed of Dolores Gutierrez wife of Chet Castanon (My mother)
.
baptism 18 Aug 1868 in Tamazula, Jalisco
Maria born in Cofradia 4 days old
parents: Jose Maria Oceguera and Lorenza Alvarez
pat grn: Juan Oceguera and Gertrudis Galves
mat grn: Manuel Alvarez and Guadalupe Contreras
padrinos: Apolinario Barbosa and Lina Rodrigues
source: 0225992 film
page 233 Family search online
.
baptism 11 Dec 1870 in Tamazula, Jalisco
Leocadia born 9 Dec 1870 in Cofradia 2pm
parents: Jose Maria Oceguera and Lorensa Alcaras
padrinos: Rafael Jazo and Teresa Jazo
source: 0225992 film
page 495 Family search online
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5th cousin of Dolores Gutierrez wife of Chet Castanon
.
(Severiano was the son of Jose Maria and Lorensa)

baptism 26 July 1899 in Tamazula, Jalisco
J. Carmen (M) born in Cofradia 18 July 1899 8am
parents: Severiano Oceguera and Ma. Merced Barbosa
padrinos: Martin Barbosa and Hilaria Moreno his wife
source: 225999 film
page 203 Family search online
.

I did not find María Lorenza Alvarez using the surname Arreguin. I did find a record where she has the surname “Alcaras” instead of “Alvarez” .

The marriage record states that they are related in the third degree, so that means that they are second cousins. A grandparent of the bride is a sibling of grandparent of groom.

Rick A. Ricci

This is what I see...

"Manuel Sanchez y Juliana Sepulveda ya finados. Fueron testigos Esteban Treviño y Guadalupe ... mayores de edad y vecinos de esta...firmaron conmigo..."

Sorry, that's as much as I could make out. I hope this helps. Maybe someone else can fill in the blanks.

Thank you for the site address. If it had been posted before, I did not see it. The years 1550 or earlier scripts, I just avoid as they are extremely difficult for me to decipher. After reviewing the abbreviations post, it will definitely be useful in the future. Thanks again,
Simona.

Dear Manny:
I have a question of the padrone of Taramequaro. How many pages does it consist? I found a Joseph Bexar, but then looked five pages over and it seems there are other towns, I saw the word Barrio, but not sure if it was the last name or that Taramequaro had ended. I am doing my husband's family tree now on ancestry. Was curious how long the family had been at Taramequaro, but it looks like the 1680s is not out of the question. Thank you for putting these up, it would have taken me ages to find it on familysearch.

Maureen Bejar

Because many of my ancestors come from the Arandas and Jesús María areas, I put together this finding aid so that I could quickly locate families, family groups and siblings. Perhaps it may also help some of you.

PADRON 1825: Congregación de Arandas & Barranca de Viudas (Jesús María)- including many of the surrounding ranchos, puesto, estancias and haciendas.

FILM 168835

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BF-W96W-M?i=94&cat=32677

Image Location(s)

095 Congregación de Arandas (begins)
106 Barrio de Santa Rosa
107 Capulincito, Saca Mecate, Carrisal de Arriba
108 Carrisal de Abajo
109 Los Atascosos, Serrito Blanco
110 Serrito de la Cruz, la Ermita, el Salto, Rio de los Sanches, Serro de Gusano
111 Aransaso, Ojo de Agua de Belasq., Bonanza, las Pilas, los Robles
112 Los Chicos, Poruyo
113 Noaliyo, el Sausiyo, Tepetate, Santa Gertrudis, el Laurel, los Lobos, Rincón de los Ocotes
114 Rincón Chico, Ojo de Agua
115 Rincón de el

Perhaps it has been discussed before what the list is and can be used for. I see it has Casa names of individuals, is this like a census? How can I best use this list. Thanks for the information.

Manny

Time to write a book! Ha!

Alex

Manny

Time to write a book! Ha!

Alex

Mayra, bienvenida al grupo, I hope you find it as useful as I have. There are great people here that are so helpful too :)

Cheers

Welcome to the group Mayra!

You'll find lots of helpful people on here, we are all passionate about genealogy. We are related thru your Méndez de Torres line--you'll find a handful of people also sharing this link on here.

Your ancestor Francisco Xavier Méndez de Torres y Ramírez de Esqueda, married to Josefa de Verduzco y Cuevas on 25 Jun 1725 in Tlazazalca, was a first cousin to my 5th great grandmother, Juana Teresa Méndez de Torres y Méndez de Torres, Salceda-Andrade, baptized on 28 Feb 1724 in Zamora.

Francisco & Josefa's marriage record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-9G98-J?i=86&wc=3N1M-MN…

Because many families in Tamazula originated in Michoacán and to respect the intention of this group studying Nueva Galicia, please email me at dmendezcamino@gmail.com. I 'd love to discuss and share anything I have that may help you!

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Welcome Mayra,

José. Ramon beltran Is the Son of Esteban Beltran and Mariana Cordova

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GRDC-T?i=611&cc=1874591

Paula Cardenas is the daughter of Jose Adrian Cardenas and Manuela Bernabe

Esteban Beltran is the son of Florencio Beltran and Dionicia Huerta ( I wonder if this couple is the same couple known as Florencio Beltran and Dionicia Rodriguez)

Mariana Cordova is the daughter of Severo Cordova and María Fernanda Mundo.

Severo Cordova is the son of Bernardino Cordova and Estefana Lopez

María Fernanda Mundo is the daughter of Jose Raymundo Mundo and Buenaventura (Ventura) Carillo

Jose Ramon Beltran
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1979
Name: Jose Ramon Beltran
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 04 Sep 1881
Event Place: San Gabriel, Venustiano Carranza, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Estevan Beltran
Mother's Name: María Cordova

José Adrian Cardenas is the son of Donaciano Cardenas and María

Welcome!
I am currently working on my cousins lines in Techaluta, but she has relatives in Tapalpa so I took a look at your people:2. Rosalio Beltran Cardenas, son of Jose Beltran and Paula Cardenas. I looked up the IM (Informacion Matrimonal) and was able to take your line a few generations back. I checked each child who had a birthdate and found Jose Beltran is Jose Ramon Beltran and Paula is Paula. HAPPY FATHERS DAY TO ALL

Simona

Hi Jesse,

Welcome to the group. Let us know of any specific brick walls you're stuck on.

Paige

Do we know who were the parents of this Bernabé Martín del Campo?

Best Regards,

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Through your Angela Perez Maldonado ancestry you have at least five lines that descend from Anusim, Catholics converted from Judaism. These lines go back many centuries as they connect to the house of David. Some of her ancestral lines also go back to Spanish royalty.

Rick A. Ricci
Source Book Mygenes2000

You can read more on the family of Casilda Ortega Maldonado in these two links:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20658

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20746

Rick A. Ricci

Acta bautismal de María Delfina Morales Vital - 5 de noviembre de 1884, Arandas, Jalisco

(Ella nació en el Pocito de la Virgen - fue hermana de mi tatarabuela Ma. Cruz Morales Vital)

Fuente: "México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GB3Q-GS?cc=1874591&wc=3J61… : 16 February 2017), Arandas > Santa María de Guadalupe > Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1884-1886 > image 50 of 370; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).

Hi,

I was going through the padrones for 1831 for Arandas and I just saw those two ranches.

https://en.mexico.pueblosamerica.com/jalisco/arandas/

Here is a list of ranches and town in Arandas, I see Piedras Blancas as well as two El Pocito de Abajo and El Pocito de Arriba.

Use this map and you will see both ranches el pocito de arriba and piedras blancas.

https://mapcarta.com/es/30138502

Esther,

Have you had any luck with the Jaques line?

Bernardo Menchaca

Esther:

I am not sure when the secular parish was founded in Sombrerete, but initially (in 1567) the church in the town was actually a Franciscan convent. I know from trying to research the Franciscan convent records from Colotlan, Jalisco that they can often be dispersed... some records may have been left behind with the newly founded secular parish (and thus filmed with those records) while others may have been sent back to the Franciscan Order archives (probably in Santo Domingo in the City of Zacatecas--which probably means they are lost). However, there are some surviving Franciscan records in a number of dedicated Franciscan Order archives in Mexico.

Perhaps the reason you can't find the records is because the town is
spelled Sombrerete. Marge:)
On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:02 AM, eaherold@att.net wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have traced my La Riva line to Tomas Jaquez who married in San Juan
> Del RIo, Durango in 1689. The marriage record stated he was from
> Somberette, Zacatecas. I guess he was he was born about 1660. I
> can't find church records for that period in Somberette. I suspect
> the family was French. I am looking for any information for the early
> colonial Somberette. I would like the names of several books just on
> Somberette. I know about the mines but outside of the Toolosa and
> Ybarra familes I do not know about other families living there. I
> know by looking at some immigration records, some Jacquez came from
> Flanders. If anyone can give me any clues or suggestions I would most
> appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> AyalaRobles
>
>
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message

Jaquez is a patronymic of Jacome or Jaime, it means the son of Jacome (an
old Spanish version of James) or of Jaime.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de
eaherold@att.net
Enviado el: Lunes, 10 de Diciembre de 2007 11:03 a.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Colonial Somberette and Jacqez family

Hi,

I have traced my La Riva line to Tomas Jaquez who married in San Juan Del
RIo, Durango in 1689. The marriage record stated he was from Somberette,
Zacatecas. I guess he was he was born about 1660. I can't find church
records for that period in Somberette. I suspect the family was French. I
am looking for any information for the early colonial Somberette. I would
like the names of several books just on Somberette. I know about the mines
but outside of the Toolosa and Ybarra familes I do not know about other
families living there. I know by looking